(Close Window) Topic: Quantum Bender 2.0
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Mar 25, 2007 4:30pm)
Hi guys, I've recently been wanting to do a coin bending effect and started on my quest to find one that suits me the best. The very first one I played with was with a pre-b*nt coin and doing a bobo's switch. I've gotten mixed but decent reviews with this one. One of the problems I had was I couldn't really have the spec pull out any coin from their pocket. If they pulled out a shiney penny, I would have to have one right there, or if it was dull and dark, I'd have to have that in my pocket as well. Nickels aren't too big of a problem unless they happened to pull out one of the new buffalo ones, but those are few and far betwee. The worst one is if they pull out a quarter. MAN, so many different state quarters, don't even try to perfom it!! So I then read up and checked out the BOA/PYTHON. It was ok, but the handling isn't very natural and your hands look funny trying to get the thing back together. So that just makes a good pre-b*nding tool. Next was the Superman. Lot better idea than the previous as your'e not having to worry what state the coin is from or its condition. But I really didn't like the setup at all. I was never a fan of the raven, so this made it not so fun to do repeatedly. And you're hands have to cover bout everything so as to not reveal the method. Lastly, when reading different threads on the different benders, one that always that was mentioned was the Quantum Bender. Just like the Superman, you can borrow pretty much any coin, have them sign it and bend it. But unlike the Superman, you want to flaunt this before their very eyes! You feel devious when you show it to them and they have no idea that it is anything other than a regular *******. Up to now, I havent mentioned anything about the pricing of each method. Pre-b*nding your coins is by far the cheapest of them all, just a pair of pliers is all you need and you're set. Very effective, but limited in that you cant really borrow any coin. You're better off introducing the coins yourself and then giving it away at the end. Boa/Python is probably around $50-$70, but is impractical to use in performance. But it makes a way better substitution to using pliers..WAY BETTER. Superman is around $40 and enables you to borrow any coin, but you can also use it in performance. The setup is not that fun, and you're hands look pretty awkward at times. Not immediately resetable either. The Quantum Bender 2.0 is between $549 and $599 depending where you pick it up from. WOW, that's some cash!! But I have to say that it priced perfectly as it is leap years ahead of the others. And it keeps 12yr olds with an allowance from picking it up and showing all their friends how it works and then posting it on youtube.com. A lot of top professionals use the Quantum Bender and it's for a good reason. IT'S THE BEST!! So I decided to plunk down the cash and pick up the Quantum Bender 2.0. It'll last longer than I'll ever live. The minute details are amazing. The routine supplied is pure genious. John Sheets leaves nothing to chance, and gives you the best product for the money. When going through the instructions, it seems that I was doing something wrong. I live about 70 miles south of John Sheets and decided to call him and see if he would be available to meet to go over it. On short notice he was more than happy to meet up with me and go over everything. Upon meeting him, he gave me free of charge one of his posters and a set of his lecture notes (which happen to be worth 5x's more than what he charges) After some small chit chat, he then performed the routine for me. I must say that even though I knew the method, he does it so flawlessly that I wasn't sure if I had missed when the coin was bent. He was just so fluid and quick. Another local magician a while back who met up with him knew what the gimmick was, but when he saw the performance, he had no clue as to when the bend actually took place. John has routined it so perfectly that you really have to be complete moron to mess this up. Another thing that is so awesome about this is that you're done with the dirty work well before the effect really begins to take shape. Reconstruction by the spec is pretty much nill. So that just leaves you to concentrate on the presentation with no worries in the world!! For whatever reason I had always thought that John Sheets was just a stage magician. But after sessioning with him last night, he is one of the better closeup magicians that I've ever seen. And so many of his effects are actually of his creation!! He's working on a dvd that will have most of the effects that are in his notes. KEEP AN EYE OUT!! You will have some very special effects in your hands that will bring your magic up a couple of notches. And his handling of his Atomic Bills? YEEEESH!! I know the method, but he has a few sublties that blew me away!! I had no clue as to how he accomlished the transpo, even after repeated demo's by him. At anyrate, I wholly recommend the Quantum Bender 2.0 Will everyone and their grandma whip out their credit cards and order one for each person in their family? Prolly not. But I truely think that every magician who performs any sort of coin bending owes it to themselves to pick this up. You know it's a great effect when you rarely, if ever, see it for sale in the used section.....
Message: Posted by: Knarild (Mar 25, 2007 4:54pm)
I find it difficult to cover the bending. Would be nice to see a video of Sheets performing this.
Message: Posted by: Eric Gretencord (Mar 25, 2007 5:02pm)
There's a short clip of him performing it on LVMI Live! 2003 DVD. I'm sure he was using QB1 back then and maybe had some handling improvements since then but I was not impressed. John is a member here so maybe he'll chime in.
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Mar 25, 2007 7:14pm)
Forget the video's, how about ya'll just move out to colorado and see it live. :P knarild, I had the exact same problem, but after talking with john, that problem is now solved 100%. today I watched the Superman demo on ellus*onist and when he first had the coin in this hand, it looked like a 5 yr old wearing his dads shirt, as the sleeves were like almost past his fingertips lol. then after the bend he pulls them up. not too impressed by that either. Anyone have a clip of a purchasable coin bend that is impressive in real life? not a promo or demo, but a real performance. The performance of the Boa is laughable from what I've seen also imo. Just out of curiousity, what version do you perform Eric and do you have video footage? I'm always looking for the best bender and would love to be totally impressed by a live performance and not be able to pickup on the method even after watching it over and over and over. I think all of us on the Café would love to see it!!
Message: Posted by: Mike Doogan (Mar 25, 2007 8:09pm)
$599 or a simple switch? I know which I prefer.
Message: Posted by: magicman899 (Mar 25, 2007 8:48pm)
I'm for the switch, I've seen the gimmick and thought it was worth $25. It's not something I would buy.
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (Mar 25, 2007 9:24pm)
Knarild,
I don't mind giving you some help. Pm me if you'd like.

Eric,
Yes, the performance on the LVMI DVD, was with the first version of the Quantum Bender. The device and the handling has been MUCH IMPROVED since then! That was in 2003, it's now 2007, wow how time flies! The old version of the Q.B. compaired to the new version Q.B.2 is like night & day!

Mike & magicman,
It's all good.

Lunatik,
Thanks for the kind comments!
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (Mar 25, 2007 9:30pm)
Mike & magicman,

P.S. -If you did a quick search for the Quantum Bender, you will see great reveiws. Also, talk to any of the top Pro's that use them & you'll get a whole different story! Many have said it is worth THOUSANDS of dollars to them. Oh well, to each their own!
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Mar 25, 2007 10:47pm)
I think Gregory Wilson, Nathan Kranzo, Danny Archer, Mark Strivings know a good thing when they see it. Check out the unsolicited comments from these top professionals. http://www.johntsheets.com/catalog.0.html just scroll down a bit :) Magicman,what would you do if a spec handed you the newest state quarter?You would be up the creek without a paddle! You'd have to tell the spec that your powers were kind of low and that a different coin would be better to demonstrate those powers. Ummmmm, I guess to each their own if they love the restrictions and handicaps of a switch.
Message: Posted by: magicmanfrank (Mar 25, 2007 11:16pm)
I'm afraid that this instructional problem is contageous!

I also purchased the QB II due to numerous recommendations, and find the instructions difficult to understand!

I was sure that a DVD was going to come with it, (especially for the price!), however one did not.

I am in California so I don't have the luxury of zipping on over to Colorado to meet with Mr. Sheets.

So here I sit with a Pricey, Wonderful trick, that I have not been able to perform!

=Frank=
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Mar 25, 2007 11:38pm)
I've talked with Mr. Sheets and he's thought of putting out a dvd showing some different handlings. I'll let him chime in here and see if a dvd is in the near future or not. I don't know where all the owners of the Quantum Bender live, but I'm sure there has to be a decent amount in California. Maybe Gregory Wilson lives there? But Frank, after about 2 or 3 minutes with John teaching me, he set me straight and now everything makes total sense. I personally have a harder time learning from reading, so that's my excuse as to why I didn't completely understand the instructions. Hmmmmm, if John's up to it, we might have to break out the digital camera and get something going!! But for the time being, pm John as his customer service is second to none.
Message: Posted by: omnibozo (Mar 25, 2007 11:43pm)
It's fun to read a review where someone really got it. I am the writer of the directions. Over the years we have had a handful of purchasers who have had difficulty with the directions. I apologize for the inadequate descriptions, but... a only a handful have had trouble. Both John and I have sent additional handling tips and even complete routines to those requesting help... including some people on this thread. There is nothing subtle about the handling. Insert coin. Say something funny. Bend the sucker. Calmly put gimmick away. Fry them as the coin 'bends' in front of their eyes. No fuss. No muss. No problem. Relax guys. Just do it. As I just posted on the EG, I NEVER leave home without the QB2 or John's Atomic Bills. Pricey, yes. Worth it, yes.
Bob LaRue
Omnibozoologist
Message: Posted by: magicmanfrank (Mar 26, 2007 2:00am)
Terrific!

I'm in the lucky handful! :angry:

=Frank=
Message: Posted by: milez (Mar 26, 2007 2:15am)
Six hundred dollars for a coin bend? Does it double as a microwave as well? For that price I would expect it to.
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (Mar 26, 2007 3:55am)
Milez,
This subject has been covered(the value of this prop), do a search on the Quantum Bender.
Message: Posted by: magicmanfrank (Mar 26, 2007 4:09am)
Mr. Sheets-

I just sent you a PM.

Looking forward to hearing back from you.

=Frank=
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (Mar 26, 2007 4:30am)
Frank,
Check your inbox.
Message: Posted by: Branden Darcel (Mar 26, 2007 5:00am)
I actually got to see this effect performed by John Sheets himself just the other day, and I have to say I'm highly impressed with it. After watching it performed, and talking with John about it some, I feel the effect is well worth the cost. It really is an amazing effect, and from what I saw, one of the best coin bending effects I've seen.
Message: Posted by: Al Straker (Mar 26, 2007 6:12am)
John, QB2 is vastly superior to any other method out there IMHO. What sets it apart from a switch is that they can sign the coin before you even touch it. A couple of the less expensive benders allow this but have other serious drawbacks. QB2 is a pro-standard item and despite the cost, it is great value for a worker!

Also if you are looking for a nice routine to wrap around it ask Nate Kranzo for his "All Day Bender" routine. It's a gem!

Cheers,
Al
Message: Posted by: Al Straker (Mar 26, 2007 6:21am)
***Typo in last post, begninng should read:

John's QB2...
Message: Posted by: david_a_whitehead (Mar 26, 2007 10:31am)
I have test run the QB 2 for three or four months now along with an unsigned switch coin bend. I can't tell you the number of times when I was using the switch method that the person figured it out...maybe not right away but when talking about it later on. Trust me, signing the coin DOES make a difference. I can't stress that enough and no one can convince me otherwise. I don't care how many "pros" say the opposite, having a signed coin bend is more impressive and completely destroys backtracking a method. I also had concerns with the directions of QB 2 but when using it in the real world no one ever catches the bend. You have to try it to believe it. I have done it a ton of times now and no one ever catches the bend and everyone is impressed. This truly is a gem and worth it if you will use it. The gimmick by the way will last a lifetime. Highly recommended.
Message: Posted by: magicsiow (Mar 26, 2007 2:25pm)
As a pro magician perform for many International corporate & upper market... I don't want you to own it, just leave it to our pro and you can continue to use "switch" sorry for that!!! cheer!!!
Message: Posted by: sbays (Mar 26, 2007 3:27pm)
I keep hearing people here saying they cant hide the bending of the coin. Guys, the QB2 does the BENDING for you. It is up to YOU to routine it and use MISDIRECTION to hide it, just like any other move. Now, the QB2 has a perfectly logical reason for being there as it looks totally innocent and has been in play since the beginning. Trust me, it flies by everyone. Although I am not going to give away my current handling, here is just a quickie to help hide the work.

Ask them for a coin, or provide one yourself. While demonstrating with your hands, ask them to check the coin out to make sure it's real (If its your coin)making sure it doesn't come apart, bend or squirt liquid. (small chuckle there)Then have them sign or mark the coin anyway they like. You have basically conditioned them to the moves later when doing the work. Take the signed coin back and make a comment about letting it dry for a moment. Then, I take a few other coins out of my pocket and have them check those out the same way as the other. (The work is done here)It only takes a moment guys. By the time they are done, the work is done and the Qb2 is long gone. I then take the signed coin and the extra coins and have them open their hands and I give them the coins.

I do my mojo and have them concentrate on their coin, and when they open their hands, their signed coin is bent. This KILLS EVERY SINGLE TIME! Another small thing I will share here is this. Get a m******* coin to add to the extra coins you give them. And also get a M5 or equivalent to wear. When the coins are in their hand, they will actually FEEL movement in their hands. This is good ... REALLY good. Although, I have achieved the same through suggestion, this really adds to the effect.

I also agree that having their own signed coin is far better than switching coins. There are just to many different coins out there today. I initially thought I was crazy to spend this kind of money on a bender. You know what? I am glad I did. If you use this, it will pay off in dividends.

Just my thought!

Scott
Message: Posted by: Royston South (Mar 26, 2007 3:47pm)
Thanks Scott, I like that handling-really like it!

Royston :)
Message: Posted by: billfromoregon (Mar 26, 2007 3:51pm)
Scott - Excellent ideas. Thanks for sharing. I really like the magnetic coin idea. I have the oringinal QB. Can someone who owns or has owned both PM me the diffeence, especially as related to the ease of bending the coin with the QB2 compared to the original? I am considering getting the QB2, but am wondering if there is enough of an improvement to justify spending the extra bucks for the newer unit. Thanks -

Bill
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (Mar 26, 2007 4:37pm)
Thanks for all the great comments everyone!

Scott,
You've got a great routine! I like to hear what others come up with. I've heard allot of different, & great routines from many different performers. It's interesting to see how there's so many great routines developing with the Quantum Bender. Thanks for sharing!

Bill,
The "Quantum Bender 2.0" is much improved by its overall design & ease of use. Without revealing too much... It Is made out of better materials, It's now all high quality stainless steel (no plastic). It is much more precise all around. It's now got even better leverage for even faster & easier bending. It is smoother in the operation & execution of insertion & removal of the coin too. To me, the difference between the first version & the second version are like night and day. I really do beleive that it just can't get any better! I hope this helps.
Message: Posted by: D J Hawkins (Mar 26, 2007 4:41pm)
I'm very tempted to invest in this but would need confirmation that it works with UK coins. Any British close-uppers using this regularly ??? I'd love to hear your comments.
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (Mar 26, 2007 4:52pm)
Magicsiow,
LOL, I've heard other Pro's say the same thing!

DJ Hawkins,
I have sent several to the UK, with no complaints.
Message: Posted by: Royston South (Mar 26, 2007 4:55pm)
Hi David the QB2 works with 1p,5p,20p and the best 10p it takes a bit of getting used to, then is as easy as spreading butter!!!!!If you have a place for a coin bend in you act then this is the ONE.

Royston.
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Mar 26, 2007 9:51pm)
One of my misdirection tactics is to have the specs all have coins - I demo me trying to bend it with my bare fingers... then ask them to try - and tell them to do it "now" as I do the "work".... then I flip the marked coin between my hands and say something to the effect of "where brute force fails... let us see the power of the mind" and go into the usual mental bend of the coin... then let it drop into the spec's hands.
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (Mar 27, 2007 4:39am)
Dr Spektor,
I like it!

Sometimes, if it is a repeat performance or the're burning my hands, I will just ask a direct question. I usually bend Quarters, so I ask "Do you know what a quarter is made of?". Most people don't know. They will look up at me, then to their neighbor. There's the moment. It works everytime!
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (Mar 27, 2007 5:26am)
Royston,
You said, "it takes a bit of getting used to, then is [it's] as easy as spreading butter!!!!!".
I agree 100 percent. For me it feels so natural, that sometimes it feels like I give zero pressure to bend a US Quarter! I know logically it takes more than zero pressure, but that's what it feels like! I have had a moment where after the bend, I had to think to myself "wow! did I just bend that already?"...LOL
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Mar 27, 2007 5:28am)
If any of you are on the verge of buying it, there's one in the for sale section brand new at an unheard of $450, you better jump on it while you can before someone else snatches it up!!! I would be bend over backwards to pick up one of these. (no pun intended)
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (Mar 27, 2007 5:39am)
Wow! That is an amazing price!!!!!
Message: Posted by: AmazingKeithy (Mar 27, 2007 10:48am)
I understand if this asking for too much information but would like to know if QBII is in play from beginning to end or if it needs to be wrung(sp) in and/or out through the course of the routine.

Thanks,
Keith
Message: Posted by: AmazingKeithy (Mar 27, 2007 11:42am)
I understand if this asking for too much information but would like to know if QBII is in play from beginning to end or if it needs to be wrung(sp) in and/or out through the course of the routine.

Thanks,
Keith
Message: Posted by: omnibozo (Mar 27, 2007 7:36pm)
Keith, the QB comes and goes... but there just isn't any heat on it, so there are no worries there. Since it is a totally logical object, there is no heat as is drawn by a deck of cards, a jumbo marker, a wallet, or a wad of bills. I even hesitate to call it a switch out, though that does happen.

Bob LaRue
Omnibozo
Message: Posted by: Piers (Mar 28, 2007 5:19am)
Can it be examined, closely or otherwise?
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (Mar 28, 2007 6:13am)

Piers,
During the routine the only objects that the spectators are aware of, is a Sharpie which they write with, and a borrowed coin. Nothing else appears to be involved. I hope this helps.
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (Mar 29, 2007 1:44am)
Hello,
For those of you who have an original routine, idea, etc. on the "Quantum Bender 2.0", please check this out: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=203917&forum=3&2
Message: Posted by: magicmanfrank (Mar 29, 2007 1:46pm)
WONDERFUL NEWS!!!!

Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (Mar 29, 2007 9:56pm)
Hello Magic Friends,
I did post this at the link above, but I'll leave it here too, since it started here....
By popular demand, I will be working on a new project. This will be a DVD on the "Quantum Bender 2.0". This DVD will include performances of different routines, handling techniques, subtleties, ideas, etc.. Right now I have an extensive collection of my own ideas, as well as a handful from other performers. At this time, I am accepting contributions from other people to include in the DVD (with credit of coarse!). I know that some ideas may be created independantly, & some may even be duplicated. If you have a unique idea, routine, etc. that you would like to contribute, please PM me, or e-mail me.
This DVD will be included with future purchases, after the DVD has been completed. It will also be sent to those who have already bought a "Quantum Bender 2.0" and returned their registration card. I need to have a deadline date for accepting the contributions, so that will be May 1st. That's the deadline. Thanks to all those who have expressed interest in this, and thanks for all your support!
Message: Posted by: bekralik (Mar 29, 2007 11:37pm)
Nothing for QB1 owners? There should be some support for us, too.
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Mar 30, 2007 12:44am)
This is for QB2 owners
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (Mar 30, 2007 5:26am)
After allot of consideration, I've decided to include in the DVD my closely gaurded, underground "S bend", using the QB2. Stay tooned!
Message: Posted by: sharpace (Mar 30, 2007 6:12am)
I'm the first few guys bought the Quantum Bender 1.0 we fully support John's products I hope we can get the DVD for different routines, handling techniques, subtleties, ideas, etc..

Message: Posted by: Daegs (Mar 30, 2007 6:58am)
Quote:
I've decided to include in the DVD my closely gaurded, underground "S bend", using the QB2. Stay tooned!


So closely guarded and underground that now everyone at the Café knows about it and it will be released on a commercial dvd sent to many people?

Must be a real worker than you have kept close to your chest for many years, with many people begging you not to release it because its too strong for laymen.... heh

Message: Posted by: lunatik (Mar 30, 2007 7:54am)
So you've never heard anyone releasing a pet effect of theirs that they've been holding onto for years? I might have to pull up some threads where some top magicians here have done so.....
Message: Posted by: bekralik (Mar 30, 2007 6:51pm)
Lunatik, when a QB3 comes out with a dvd just for QB3 owners, then you'll know how I feel. Enjoy the exclusivity.
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (Mar 30, 2007 9:43pm)
Daegs,
Yes, it has been closely gaurded & underground. That's why you havn't heard about it until now! Yes, after many years, I am releasing it to those who have purchased the QB2, NOT everyone on the Café'.
Yes, it is a real worker, & thanks for your lovely comment.
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (Mar 30, 2007 9:54pm)
Bekralik,
Just like a new car. The're going to update & change for the better every year. Your not going to complain because your new car comes with more stuff than last years model, are you? The Quantum Bender has gone through changes too. It is better than ever, same with the packaging & directions. I will consider a DVD version for QB1 owners too. K. I'm trying to make everyone happy!
Message: Posted by: omnibozo (Mar 31, 2007 1:03am)
So John... since I own BOTH a 1.0 and a 2.0 can I get a copy of both dvds?

How about we all just pretend that there never was going to be a dvd of this? Then, magically, when the select QB2 owners that have actually sent in their registration cards find a surprise gift in their mailboxes, they will be really really happy. Those that did not send in the card, and the purchasers of version 1.0 (sold about three years ago!) will just have to sell their old one off and upgrade, so they will automatically get the dvd with the new purchase. Don't worry, you have plenty of time for this, as shooting has not yet started. Hey... here's an even better idea. Everything the 1.0 does, the 2.0 does better... so.... email John your fantastic 1.0 routine! If it is sufficiently original and wonderful, it might make it on the dvd! Now you have some real bragging rights... but you still have to purchase the 2.0...
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (Mar 31, 2007 1:11am)
Yes, making & sending out a DVD (with extra stuff) was suppose to be an extra bonus.
Message: Posted by: bekralik (Mar 31, 2007 12:18pm)
Actually version 2.0 only began shipping June 21 2006, less than a year ago, so there are some people who may have bought 1.0 up to that time. Not to get into a big issue over this, but I would prefer to liken this to software rather than a car; I would expect all the old software should still run on a newer operating system.
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (Mar 31, 2007 8:37pm)
Bekralik,
Bill Gates is not going to send out programs and operating systems for free everytime there's a new one. Look at his new "Vista" software.
The QB2 is a big improvement over QB1. The old version still bends coins. The new one, does it better. QB2 can also do something extra(will be on DVD), which I don't recommend doing with the first version. Also the QB2 comes with a few extra routines. So just like many other magic products in this industry, there may be a newer model someday along with new ideas. There is a price difference between the QB1 & QB2, so that's another reason that I didn't feel it was so bad to include a DVD with the QB2. --Still trying to keep everyone happy! :)
Message: Posted by: gabelson (Apr 1, 2007 4:11am)
There are two ways to bend a spectator's coin: Either sw**tch it out, or actually bend the one that's offered. And while I have certainly gotten mileage out of a simple sw**ch, at the end of the day, there is NO other explanation for the spec OTHER than a sw**tch, that although impressive, is, after all, a trick. Engaging, entertaining, but nevertheless, a trick. However, having used the QB2 for about 6 months now, I can honestly say, that after I have the spec SIGN their coin on one side, and put a number, or drawing on the other, so they KNOW there was no sw**tch, I have literally witnessed people's jaws drop- the reactions ranging from questions like "How do you focus your energy like that?", to statements like, "Joe! This guy just melted my coin between his fingers!" (and similar statements- even from skeptics). They KNOW it's their coin, and more importantly, as the bend is invisible, there IS NO EXPLANATION. 90% of the time, the spectator tries to bend it BACK- something they NEVER did when I used to do a simple sw**ch. And yet I still feel I'm learning how to use this wonderful tool! I definitely would buy a DVD offering different presentations, so I could get some insights, and mix up some methods that might cancel each other out. In addition to John's routine, Nathan Kranzo has a wonderful variation, as well. Also, I will say that I have tried other benders, and none are even in the same league as the QB2. And when my 12 year old did the bend effortlessly, I realized how truly brilliant the design was.
Message: Posted by: Mystification (Apr 1, 2007 11:03am)
Wonder how this compares in deceptiveness to the terminator Wallet?
Message: Posted by: Mystification (Apr 1, 2007 11:09am)
Wonder how this compares in deceptiveness to the terminator Wallet?
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Apr 1, 2007 4:40pm)
I like the looks of the terminator and I'm sure it bends coins nicely. But, it definately does'nt compare to the QB2 in deceptiveness. When I first got it, I looked at it and I had a big smile on my face. I took it over another magicians house and just had it in my hand most of the time to see if he'd say something. He saw it but nothing was out of the ordinary. He never once said anything. So before I left, I asked him about what he thought about the ******* and he had a puzzled look on his face and said 'what do you mean'? I asked him again and he said 'im not sure what you're getting at'..thats when I knew I had a winner in my hands. Having the QB2 is something you have out everyday anyways. It blends in 110%, you don't even hide the fact that its there. in fact you feel deviously evil flaunting it in front of them. Too bad you don't live closer to colorado,then you could see it first hand.
Message: Posted by: merlin5150 (Apr 5, 2007 12:01pm)
I like it when they take a lighter to another coin and try it themselves!
Message: Posted by: TheAmazingSteveo (Apr 5, 2007 11:55pm)
Hi John,

I absolutely love Qb2 .. it's one of my staples in walkaround.

I sent in my Reg. Card to you. Looking forward to the DVD.

Thank you very much for QB2!
Steven Skindell
Message: Posted by: TheAmazingSteveo (Apr 5, 2007 11:56pm)
John .. forgot to mention ..
I've been doing it for months now. It is something people ask me to do again and again for new people.

I love it! In fact, I just did it tonight at a 50th birthday party gig.

Thanks again,
Steve
Message: Posted by: Starromeo (Apr 6, 2007 2:42am)
Thanks for the review guys
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (May 1, 2007 12:28pm)
Hello,
We have reached the deadline for contributions to the DVD. I just thought that I would give a "Last Call" for anyone who wants to send something in. Thanks to all of you who have written to me, & thanks for all of your support.
Message: Posted by: billfromoregon (May 3, 2007 4:23pm)
OK, I just got the QB 2.0, so I will post my comparison of the original and the 2.0. The gimmick is basically the same, mechanically they work exactly the same. The difference is that the gimmick is now made of solid stainless steel, instead of steel inside a plastic housing. This actually makes a big diffeence, because the hinge mechanism is sturdier and the overall feel is much more solid. The slot for inserting the coin feels slightly larger, which makes insertion easier, and the actual bend requires slightly less force, perhaps 20% or so. Overall, I believe this is a significant improvement. Now, for those of you that own the original, is there any need to upgrade? No, not really, as the original will perform just fine. That being said, if you can afford it, I believe you will be more than pleased with the new model. After selling my original, it wound up costing me a couple hundred dollars extra, which I consider money well spent, as this new model should last a lifetime. Also, the routine has been updated and expanded, and I undestand that 2.0 owners will be eligible to receive the new dvd that John is going to produce. Expensive? Yes. Wothwhile? Definitely!
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (May 3, 2007 10:52pm)
Thanks for your positive feedback Bill! Once you've had some time using the new model, I know you'll notice a WORLD of a difference. It's sooo much easier, smoother, & faster! Also, with the QB2 you will be able to perform the underground "S-Bend", which is comming soon on a DVD near you!! :)
Message: Posted by: donkeys and waffles (May 4, 2007 12:21am)
Maybe I missed it but is there a demo of this to be seen ? Also, is it truly invisible or very close ? This sounds absolutely fantastic !!!!!
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (May 4, 2007 12:25am)
No demo, it is a 600 dollar coin bender gimmick that is perfect for the real worker. I wish I had it :( I need a job :)
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (May 4, 2007 4:31am)
Donkeys and waffles,
It is truly invisible with a little time & practice. Performed correctly, this effect destroys! Ask any pro that uses it. I hope to have a demo available soon. :)
Message: Posted by: donkeys and waffles (May 5, 2007 12:21am)
Thanks John, I would love to see a demo video of it. It must be killer for folks to shell out that much without a demo. I will be checking for one. Anyone have a video that they could pm me of them performing this ? I would appreciate it.

D and W
Message: Posted by: Magic Arty (May 5, 2007 8:35am)
I think it would be wrong to post a video of this. I do not have one, however from what I have heard, this is an amazing effect, and does what it says. if you are just curious, too bad. If you think you would do this, then fork out the cash. I think it would be a disservice to the creators of this effect for others to pm a video of it. If the creators wanted a video out there of it they would post it.
Just me two cents worth.

Arthur
Message: Posted by: lunatik (May 5, 2007 11:18am)
Usually demo's for magicians are so that we can de-construct the method. Admit it, we all watch a trick more than once if it flys past us the first time. But like I've heard so many times from magicians who are requested to do a trick 'again'...once a trick, twice a lesson!! I'm not sure if I'd like a demo of this as everyone and their mother would be guessing to the method and crazy comments on editing when we all know that editing in most cases is to recreate momemts that a spectator would have. I say make a download that is only able to be viewed once. But I think too many would be crying if that were the case. All aside, if you're on the fence with this one, just look at the well known and respected magicians who DO use this. i.e. Gregory Wilson
Message: Posted by: donkeys and waffles (May 6, 2007 3:00am)
Very good points. I guess I hadnt thought of it that way. I have to admit, I would be breaking it down again and again. I do that with all the things I purchase. Even if I know the method, I still purchase if it looks something I would do in my brand of magic. I am on the fence with this one. thanks everyone
Message: Posted by: IlDaDe (May 6, 2007 7:51am)
Mmm...
Maybe this will sound heretical to you, but I find that the Superman Coin Bender (i know that is not really appreciate, and I don't understand why) is perfect for me.
Is invisible, and it bends a signed coin.. The only thing I don't like is that it can bend only "little" coins, but for me that is not a problem..
I can start, do the job (i don't do the bend like a strenght demonstration like suggested, but first I bend the coin saying that I'm trying if the coin is solid, and also the spectator do the same, then I make the gimmicks "disappear", and then I act like I'm bending the coin with the mind), and end super clean..
Message: Posted by: lunatik (May 6, 2007 10:40am)
Donkey, if you buy this, you will thank me many times over. if I had some extra money, I'd buy it from you if you weren't fully satisfied. You know how sometimes you buy a trick and you finally get it in the mail, rip it open, then let out a big sigh once you see what you got for the money? When I got this in the mail, I said 'ohhhh schnaaaaps!!' I was elated as to the method. in fact not having to hide much from the spec, having them stare at the gimmick and think nothing of it. talk about a guilty feeling!! But I love every minute of it lol. This is one of those tricks where you want to show everyone how it works because how cool it is. also another nice thing about this is that you start and end clean!! John Sheets on his website has a deal going on for the Quantum Bender 2.0 and Brainscan wallet for a good price. http://www.johntsheets.com/catalog.0.html *shoves donkey off the fence to go buy a Quantum Bender 2.0
Message: Posted by: donkeys and waffles (May 6, 2007 5:57pm)
Thanks Lunatik, I think I am convinced. I think I will pick this up. You said ohhhh Schnaaaaps !! HAha, that is funny. thanks again !!!!
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (May 7, 2007 1:55am)
IlDaDe,
This is definately NOT like the Superman. With this device you are never holding anything that isn't used logically during the routine. You never have a writting pen in hand, which you never write with during the effect. Also, you don't have to mess around with trying to secretly, mechanically, seperate and re-assemble any device in front of the audience. This method is super clean. I hope this helps!
Message: Posted by: Card-Shark (May 7, 2007 2:40am)
As I live in Germany I am asking if this QB2 will work with Euro coins. Has anybody out there experience with 1 or 2 Euro coins? (They are made out of two metals so I do not know if it will work.)

Thank you.
Message: Posted by: merlin5150 (May 7, 2007 12:41pm)
Card shark, I was presented with a Euro coin, I don't remember what coin it was but, it was bigger than a quarter and THICK!!! My QB2 bent it still. It wasn't as prominent as w/ american coins, still kicked its a**!! Jeff
Message: Posted by: gabelson (May 7, 2007 1:32pm)
This truly is the ultimate bend. Kudos to John. And one subtlety I love is that the QB2 affects the "dirty work" in such a way that the bent coin can actually be displayed as still straight AFTER the bend. Meaning that long after the work is done, you can easily make it seem as if the bend was done with nothing but your mind, your fingers- whatever you wish. It truly looks impossible.
Message: Posted by: donkeys and waffles (May 7, 2007 11:34pm)
Quote:

On 2007-05-07 13:32, gabelson wrote:
This truly is the ultimate bend. Kudos to John. And one subtlety I love is that the QB2 affects the "dirty work" in such a way that the bent coin can actually be displayed as still straight AFTER the bend. Meaning that long after the work is done, you can easily make it seem as if the bend was done with nothing but your mind, your fingers- whatever you wish. It truly looks impossible.



Is this possible with the QB1 ? I am considering getting an older one. Can the bent coin still be displayed as straight after the bend ? Thanks in advance.
Message: Posted by: lunatik (May 8, 2007 12:17am)
Possible with both. but to be truthful, I have handled both QB1 and QB2. and QB2 is like using a Cutco knife compared to a ginsu knife. if you did get the older QB and later handled a QB2, you'd be very very mad at yourself for trying to save a buck. Night and day difference between the two. The quality between the two is apples to oranges. I know the QB1 isn't flimsy, but compared to the QB2, it feels like a banana peel vs 2" thick piece of oak. just ask anyone who has had both and you'll see what I mean.
Message: Posted by: igam (Jun 18, 2007 3:14am)
Okay, I can't see how amy working performer could not fully appreciate what you get with QB2. You can do everything the hype says and have it done long before the spectator starts try to discover how you did it. This is a "No Heat" effect.

How pleased am I with my purchase of QB2? Enough that when my first one was lost with my airline luggage, I immediately went out and bought another one. I just wish I could see the look on the face of the guy that finally discovers the first one!

BTW-John, I'd sure like to hear an update about your plans for a DVD on this effect!

Best to all!
Igam
Message: Posted by: Bananafish (Jun 18, 2007 4:35am)
Well I have to say I am very tempted. I have, use and love Superman (the coin bender not the superhero) at the moment, and by all accounts QB2 IS significantly better.

Two questions beforse I spend though.
1. As Igam said - any news on teh DVD?
2. Are there any plans for a QB3? I'd hate to spend all that money only to find a QB3 is released a few weeks/months later.

Simon
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 18, 2007 6:27am)
John sheets has most all of the submissions for the dvd and is compiling the best of the best. he's been out of town due to some shows and conventions. the dvd will be forthcoming not all that long from now. QB3? no such thing, it's as good as its going to get and there's nothing to improve on per John Sheets. Money well spent Banafish!! Go to his site, he still has a deal going on if I'm not mistaken
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Jun 18, 2007 11:54am)
<<happy dance happy dance>> The DVD at last!!!!
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (Jun 20, 2007 12:13am)
Hello,
Thanks for all the positive e-mails! It's kinda hard to keep up with all of them sometimes. Yes, the DVD is in the works. I hope to have it out ASAP. It is currently in negotiations on who will release it. I have NO plans on a third version of the Quantum Bender (I just don't see how it can get any better!). At this time I am VERY busy with soo many projects and shows. I am also very busy with working on the DVD. Not to worry, it will happen, ASAP. Thanks again for all your support!!! :)
Message: Posted by: TrickyRicky (Jun 20, 2007 7:38am)
The Terminator/Quantum 2.0
How do they stack up against each other?
Richard.
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 20, 2007 6:22pm)
With the terminator, there is almost 100% heat on the wallet. With the quantum bender, pretty much 1% heat. night and day difference between the two and the quantum bender is cheaper to boot.
Message: Posted by: MJ Marrs (Jun 20, 2007 8:22pm)
Quote:

On 2007-06-20 18:22, lunatik wrote:
With the terminator, there is almost 100% heat on the wallet. With the quantum bender, pretty much 1% heat. night and day difference between the two and the quantum bender is cheaper to boot.


I love my Quantum Bender 2.0; however, I also own and have gotten a lot of good use out of the Porper/Wilson Terminator Wallet. I DON'T find a "night and day difference between the two."

I agree that there is no heat on the QB, but with proper routining there isn't any heat on the TW either. As far as spectators are concerned with the TW, one is simply taking out a dollar bill or a similar item from a wallet, the wallet goes away--out of sight, out of mind--and then the bending takes place. Just like with the QB, the bending device of the TW is hidden in a common place object which is totally justified with being in play.

If I could only choose one, I'd go with the QB. However, I think that there is a time and place for both tools. I use the QB more for walkaround. Since I already have a couple of different wallets that I use during strolling routines, I don't want another wallet to carry for a coin bending routine. I use the TW mostly during close up shows when a table is available.

My 2 English Pennies...
Message: Posted by: DP the Great (Jun 21, 2007 4:59pm)
Do all of you guys who own this use it for Resturant Magic? That is my idea in buying this. Also, if you use this in a resturant routine, were do you put it? Is it good enough for a closer? Or do you put it in the middle? Is it fine for a table setting, or is it better to do it with the spectators staning? Those are the only things puzzeling me at the moment. Thanks -DP
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 21, 2007 6:40pm)
The Quantum Bender 2 would be an awesome closer for any close up routine. where do you put it? front or back pocket. I personally prefer my back pocket, but either works just fine. You'll find more people using the Quantum Bender to bend coins than the Terminator, and usually that's because in my opinion a better product in the terms of justifiability and looking innocent. Bringing that wallet into play for a coin bend just isn't good in my opinion. With the Quantum Bender, you have the spec pull out a coin from their pocket, you hand them a sharpie to sign it, you take the pen back and the coin, put the pen back in your pocket, proceed to reveal in whatever fashion you please that the coin is now bent. Doesn't get any better than that!!
Message: Posted by: DougNicols (Jun 21, 2007 6:53pm)
Is the device refillable, or must you purchase a new one when it runs out or dries?
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 21, 2007 7:05pm)
Absolutely nothing to fill. what you get WILL last you longer than you'll live on this earth and you won't have to buy anything to keep it working.
Message: Posted by: DP the Great (Jun 23, 2007 9:21pm)
Do you get some of the best reactions from this routine? Liquid Metal gets some of the best reations for me, which is a bent fork. Does the bent coin get the same reactions? The concern is that Liquid Metal has like 4 or 5 bends, so you have many beats and many magical parts, but the bent coin is only one beat and only one peice of magic. I want to know if the specatators go grazy after this regardless of the fact that it is not repeated. Thanks! -DP
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 23, 2007 11:55pm)
You ask a spectator if they happen to have any change in their pocket and to pull it out. Then ask them to pick a coin, let's say they pick a quarter. You then hand them a sharpie and instruct them to sign/mark that same quarter on either side or both. After that you take the sharpie back and I have them notate the year, state, and usually have them blow on the quarter to make sure the ink has dried. You take the quarter back, patter, place the quarter back into their hand and have them concentrate and squeeze tightly. I patter a bit longer and have them open their hand very slowly. Upon opening completely, they see that their quarter that came from their pocket somehow started to melt in their hand and is bent. The reactions are amazing. A fork can be bent easily and some logic can be made from it if they think long and hard. A quarter? No. They know a quarter isn't going to be bent unless its placed in a vice and hit with a hammer or 2 pairs of pliers are used to do so. But they realize you had your sleeves rolled up, so all fears on your part are laid aside. It's totally up to you regarding the patter. You can make it a magic effect or a mentalism effect. I prefer mentalism as a lot of people actually believe "things" are happening from the world beyond.
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Jun 25, 2007 5:23pm)
If you have repeat customers, and some have seen it before so they will be burning you, how easy is the bend ( I'm not really strong)does it bend effortlessly, or require a little grunt!
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 25, 2007 5:49pm)
The bend is easy. maybe a lil grunt if you can only benchpress a donut? for repeat customers, there's nothing really for them to see.
Message: Posted by: magicmanfrank (Aug 3, 2007 2:50am)
Are we any closer to having the QB2 DVD available????

=Frank=
Message: Posted by: merlin5150 (Aug 9, 2007 1:05pm)
Just wondering the same thing, anyone recieve theirs yet? Jeff
Message: Posted by: TheAmazingSteveo (Aug 14, 2007 3:47am)
QB2 continues to be one of my most valuable tricks/props. I have literally seen people stare at the coin for long periods of time after the trick has finished .. it really disturbs their reality!
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (Aug 14, 2007 4:07am)
Yes, the project is near completion. Thanks for your patience.
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (Aug 17, 2007 2:51am)
Quote:

On 2007-08-14 03:47, TheAmazingSteveo wrote:
QB2 continues to be one of my most valuable tricks/props. I have literally seen people stare at the coin for long periods of time after the trick has finished .. it really disturbs their reality!


-I too have seen people spending long periods of time staring at the bent coin after the performance. Many times they don't put it away (into a pocket or purse), they just carry it around in their hand all night, rubbing & staring at it, & showing it to others. I have also had several people say that they will drill a hole in it & hang it from a necklace or keychain!! :)
Message: Posted by: denis_gbrg (Aug 19, 2007 9:19am)
Hi ,
Got a few questions about quantum bender ,hope you could help with.

1. Can it be done short sleeved?
2. Why the cost? $$ To keep the secret, ot the
materials its made of are actualy that expensive?
3. If its small as I expect, there sould be some funky mechanics
involved, I think.. Is there ant danger to hurt yourself?
4. And last one, Superman bend vs. Quantum 2 - is quantum really 10 times
better, as the price is?

thanks very much!
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Aug 19, 2007 10:52am)
1. You can do Quantum Bender 2.0 with no shirt on. At least have some decent muscles though, no potbellies allowed!
2. It does cost some $$ to have this made, but yes, it is priced to keep out of the hands of the curious. Without giving names, one certain famous magician (can't say due to certain reasons) honestly wants it priced at $1,000 to keep any more people from buying it.
3. Absolutely no danger in hurting yourself. I would feel save letting a baby play with it.
4. Once you use Superman and Quantum 2, you'll see that it's a night and day difference. Apples to oranges comparison. Dodge Caravan vs Porche 911 Twin Turbo.

I say this, get both as Superman is really cheap. It won't be but a day or two and the Superman will be collecting dust in a drawer.


Hope this helps!
Message: Posted by: denis_gbrg (Aug 20, 2007 7:27am)
On one of Ellusionist forums I see old post :

"
Originally Posted by Nick V
OK, I am taking the time now to edit this, simply to BOLD some the features here...
Bend their ACTUAL BORROWED, SIGNED COIN
BENDING at a TRUE RADIUS (the way a coin would REALLY BEND without the aid of tool force)
A smooth perfect unblemished bend
Absolutely NO TOOL MARKS EVER! ... Completely Clean
As AUTHENTIC as any metal bend of the mind could be... "


Does anyone know what he's talking about?
Message: Posted by: DP the Great (Aug 20, 2007 8:03pm)
It really is better than anything else avalible. I finally bought it and its fantastic! Very well made. Its comparable to gold. My magic buddy is super jealous. It is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better than superman or boa. Way better. Everyone here was saying it. I believed them and bought it. Now I am saying it too. Really good. But I am iching to see the DVD to get some more ideas...
-DP
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (Aug 21, 2007 12:54am)
Hi DP the Great,

Thanks for your positive comments on the QB2 (Quantum Bender 2.0)! Also, please remember to return the included Registration card, and I will send you a DVD when they are done.

-Note to all who have asked: The DVD is in the works, we had to resolve a few issues with the filming. Also I have been crazy busy with shows. It is now back on track. Again, thanks for your patience, & your support!! :)
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Aug 21, 2007 9:15am)
Glad I sent my card in ;)!!!!

Message: Posted by: omnibozo (Aug 22, 2007 1:00am)
DP! You owe me be big time! Everything I said about the QB2 turned out to be true, didn't it? Now get yourself an Atomic Bills and you'll be set... until John's next top secret projects see daylight... (and he's doing 'em right this time with a dvd IN the package!).
Omnibozoologist
Message: Posted by: Eric Samuels (Aug 24, 2007 12:58am)
John.

Just got mine. Want to make sure that your offer of the DVD to those who return the registration card, still applies.



Message: Posted by: joanmonse (Aug 24, 2007 7:28pm)
Hi all.
What about bending euro coins, please?
Thanks in advance.
Joan
Message: Posted by: toph (Aug 24, 2007 8:26pm)
I know what I'm getting for christmas..PSY KEY USA VERSION, and QB 2!!
Message: Posted by: joanmonse (Aug 25, 2007 11:33am)
Sorry but,
I'm really interested on QB2 but I can't find nothing about EURO coins.
Please, let me know if you get some info about.
Thanks in advance!
Best.
Joan
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Aug 25, 2007 12:36pm)
You can bend euro coins
Message: Posted by: joanmonse (Aug 25, 2007 2:17pm)
Hi Lunatik!
First of all, thanks for your response to my request.
Please, can you be more specific?
Do you own a QB2 and are you using it with Euro coins?
Message: Posted by: Crimson-Death (Aug 26, 2007 6:27am)
Hello joanmonse

I found the following post for you regarding euro coins, though this is from 2003 and it refers to the original QB. Would version 2 do better with the coins? Very likely.

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/search_post.php?topic=45466&forum=109&post=3459275

Quote:

On 2003-09-25 18:05, omnibozo wrote:
Great question about the Euros... I have some euros... but not enough that I care to actually bend them... but looking at the coins I can see that the 20c and 50c should be not problem... though they are a little thick and may require some practice. The one and two euro coins also look fine, though I don't know enough about the laminating process to predict how the two different metals will act to the bending process... though I suspect there should be no problem.

About the Kerran bender... the Quantum Bender solves several handling problems inherent in the Kerran bender. QB is much cleaner, more logical in at least two ways (you are already using part of the modus operandi and it is more logical to use this than the work-around necessary for the Kerran method). QB has no threads to strip in the dark.

Bob LaRue


I hope that helps.
Take care!
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Aug 26, 2007 10:54am)
I have the quantum bender 2. I've never bent a euro coin before as I'm from the USA, but I have read posts like the one Crimson-Death has posted by people who do live in europe and they have no problem with those coins. I think once you get it, you'll be in love!
Message: Posted by: joanmonse (Aug 26, 2007 5:39pm)
Thank you very much Crimson-Death and Lunatik for your help.
I just need to confirm it and run to buy this marvel!
Best.
Joan
Message: Posted by: Brane (Aug 29, 2007 1:46am)
Well, here's ANOTHER person raving about now owning QB2! I've been practicing for hours daily to get my fingers to do what they need to do without me peeking at my own hands! Typical magician rehearsal stuff! (Thanks for the tips, Lunatik!)
I've finally bent a few quarters for REAL people - not the mouth breather in the mirror! I'm deciding that slowly revealing the bend with a sort of rolling motion of thumb pushing/ rolling the quarter over the side of my forefinger is the most dramatic moment! It gives the quarter that 'drooping/ rubbery bending' look - as with a good spoon bend.
Everything everyone has said is true . . . they stare at the bent coin . . . and their own markings on it rules out their ONLY possible explanation. Talk about a 'pattern interrupt!'
It's been a long time since I've found a close up bit of wizardry that melts their minds so badly! NOW I'm drooling with anticipation over the DVD. (I DID send in the necessary card!)
Thanks to Mr. Sheets for this wonderful tool . . .
brane
Message: Posted by: giobbi1 (Sep 5, 2007 10:41am)
Just sent my card in. Hoping the DVD isn't several more weeks away. Any word on an eta?
Message: Posted by: moilima (Oct 15, 2007 3:40am)
I'm waiting the DVD release to get mine...
Message: Posted by: magicmanfrank (Oct 16, 2007 4:26am)
Hey John-

It's been close to Two Months since your last post on the DVD.

Do we have a release date yet???????

=Frank=
Message: Posted by: Alex Tan (Oct 16, 2007 4:38am)
Yes, we are eagerly waiting.
Message: Posted by: Bob Johnston (Oct 22, 2007 8:45pm)
The nice thing about the reveal in the spectators hand is this:

When you say "hold it very tight and you will feel it heating up and bending."

They will really feel some heat because it is seconds after the bend and there is indeed some heat.

Bob
Message: Posted by: magicmanfrank (Oct 22, 2007 8:49pm)
Oooo...Yaeh!

That's GOOD!

=Frank=
Message: Posted by: donkeys and waffles (Oct 22, 2007 11:02pm)
I am sold on it but I am waiting until I can just order the bender and the dvd will already be included. I want it all for my money, no cards to send in. I guess I am too lazy and don't trust the usps to get it where it needs to go. Any time frame on the dvd actually being sold with the bender together ? Thanks
Message: Posted by: davidlai308 (Oct 23, 2007 9:53pm)
John has pmed me and said the DVD is coming out very soon . We're all waiting eargerly I guess .
Message: Posted by: Bob Johnston (Oct 28, 2007 12:19am)
I think its a tribute to this forum that those of us that have the Q2 are helping other magicians evaluate the Q2.

However, I suspect, deep down inside, we would not feel bad if the price for it went up to $1,000.00 the day after we took delivery of it.

Bob
Message: Posted by: canasta (Oct 28, 2007 5:16pm)
Ha Ha...
classic Wellington- luv ya man.
Message: Posted by: bond19 (Oct 29, 2007 3:27pm)
Got the QB2 today... all as promised (thanks guys for all your comments, you effectivly nudged me into a decision to purchse and it paid off).. fanstatic prop!!

Can't wait for the DVD and to start using this for my coin bending!!
Message: Posted by: giobbi1 (Oct 30, 2007 11:56am)
Quote:

On 2007-10-22 23:02, donkeys and waffles wrote:
I am sold on it but I am waiting until I can just order the bender and the dvd will already be included. I want it all for my money, no cards to send in. I guess I am too lazy and don't trust the usps to get it where it needs to go. Any time frame on the dvd actually being sold with the bender together ? Thanks


I wish I had done this. It has been several weeks since I got mine and I really based about 75% of my purchase on the promise of a DVD that does not seem to be coming anytime soon. I am sure Jon is a stand up guy, but I have been burned a few times on creators promising a DVD or some other addition just to never have it come to fruition and I am hoping this isn't the case.
Message: Posted by: rowdymagi5 (Oct 30, 2007 12:06pm)
Reminds me of Nemo 1500, and the promised dvd in the instructions. It has been years. I doubt there ever will be a dvd.
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (Oct 30, 2007 11:44pm)
Hi Guys,

I know the DVD has been a little slow in comming to light. I appologize about the delay. I have had several challenges while working on this project. Everything from waiting on other people, to myself being sick. I have also been extremely busy with shows too. I know, the wait stinks. I assure you, the wait for this Free DVD is well worth it. Finishing this project IS on the TOP of my list! Again, I will have it out asap, and thanks again for your patience.
Message: Posted by: giobbi1 (Oct 31, 2007 8:50am)
Quote:

On 2007-10-30 23:44, JTSmagic wrote:
Hi Guys,

I know the DVD has been a little slow in comming to light. I appologize about the delay. I have had several challenges while working on this project. Everything from waiting on other people, to myself being sick. I have also been extremely busy with shows too. I know, the wait stinks. I assure you, the wait for this Free DVD is well worth it. Finishing this project IS on the TOP of my list! Again, I will have it out asap, and thanks again for your patience.


With all due respect Jon, I understand that things come up and that you have your own business to run and shows to do. What you are telling us is the same thing we have been hearing for a few months now. What we really want is an eta. If the project is as far along as we are being told, then you should be able to at least ballpark the time frame. Thanks again for being willing to respond.
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (Nov 1, 2007 1:00am)
Giobbi1,

Sorry, at this time I do not have an eta. These things usually take some time, and I'm not going to rush a shotty project out. Also, I will not back myself into a corner with a deadline. Yes, I have said that I am very busy, and have lately been dealing with some health issues. Please understand that I am basically a one man operation too. All I can say right now is the same thing that I have previously said, which is, it is in the works (BTW, I never said how far along the project is), it IS on the top of my list of projects to finish, and I'll have it out ASAP. I get emails about this almost daily, believe me, I want this out ASAP. And again, thanks for your patience. :)
Message: Posted by: Bendy (Nov 10, 2007 5:24pm)
I sooooo desperately want a QB2. Read the recent "Magic Fridays" review in Street Magic Magazine to my wife in hopes of backing up my previous reasoning on why I should get one. It's not flying with her. My magic is only a part-time gig at this point and I can't seem to justify spending that big a chunk of cash one one prop. I'll keep trying though. Maybe I'm wearing her down!!!
Message: Posted by: RayLum (Nov 10, 2007 9:56pm)
Man, I love this prop so much I bought TWO! If you are a working pro it's price way too low!
Message: Posted by: matt.magicman (Nov 17, 2007 5:46am)
If I order now do I get the dvd with it?
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Nov 17, 2007 10:39am)
Yes you will get the dvd when it is finished
Message: Posted by: nickivory (Nov 17, 2007 8:55pm)
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

I freakin lost my Quantum Bender! It must have fell out of my pocket somewhere. I used to carry this with me literally everywhere.

Now I must weep.

:(
Message: Posted by: billfromoregon (Nov 17, 2007 10:39pm)
BUUUUUUMER! There was one for sale here on the Café for $425.00, not sure if it is still available, but that is a great deal. My condolences -

Bill
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Nov 18, 2007 10:37am)
Pray nickivory pray it's not so
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Nov 18, 2007 4:35pm)
Current bid on ebay is only $225. I'd almost bid on it just to have 2!
Message: Posted by: igam (Nov 19, 2007 4:00pm)
Re: Quantum Bender on eBay-

I just bought something else from this guy. He delivered fast and the item was in perfect condition. Based on this transaction, alone, I would highly recommend considering buying his QB2. I would get it myself, except that I already have a backup.

As for the QB2 iteself, N-O-T-H-I-N-G else comes even close. If you want to do the closest thing to real magic, buy this!

Igam
Message: Posted by: donkeys and waffles (Nov 21, 2007 7:45pm)
Quote:

On 2007-11-18 16:35, lunatik wrote:
Current bid on ebay is only $225. I'd almost bid on it just to have 2!


Wow, I was watching this too and it ended at 485 dollars with 20 dollars shipping. I can buy a new one for 525. I guess these things are crazy popular. I was hoping to get it for 300 or so. I don't know why someone would buy a used one or one on ebay for 30 or 40 dollars less ? I would rather just buy one from a respected dealer and if something wasnt right, they would take care of it.
Message: Posted by: DP the Great (Nov 23, 2007 11:39am)
Man, that darn DVD! Oh well, I havent sent out my card yet...I have been too busy studying. I just performed it yesterday for a family I met on thanksgiving day...that was the one thing out of my other amazing effects that they kept talking about...its not like a card trick or something that you could possibly do slight of hand...no, you did the impossible. I love looking at their faces as they look at that bent quarter over and over...it makes my day -DP
Message: Posted by: Eric Samuels (Nov 23, 2007 4:29pm)
This may be a dumb question (what's the old saying "there are no stupid questions..")!

Using a Sharpie, I often find the spec erases their own 'mark(s)' when I have them do the bend in their hands (heat, moisture, etc.) Suggestions?
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Nov 23, 2007 6:33pm)
After they sign it, I take it back and blow on it a couple of good times to dry it faster. in my routine, I don't have them 'try' to bend the quarter. my reasoning is that I don't want them to have even the sleightest clue as to what is coming next. they'll soon enough get the quarter back and realize that it can't be bent by human hands. so that should eliminate they trying to bend the quarter and rubbing off any signatures. if you must have them make sure that it can't be bent, have them try before they sign it.
Message: Posted by: donkeys and waffles (Nov 23, 2007 10:03pm)
Hate to "beat a dead horse" here but any thoughts on an ETA for the dvd ? I would love to purchase this effect as I am sold on the effect however, It has been 6 months since the initial talk of a dvd. I would feel much better about purchasing the QB2 when it comes WITH an instructional DVD. Any time frame ?

If it has been in the works for 6 months or so, you would think one could stand back at the project and say hmm..... I am about 80 percent done so it should be available by or around ...... time ? I mean no disrespect at all but would like to know a timetable on release date, more explicitly when the dvd and QB2 will be sold as one. thanks
Message: Posted by: Bob Johnston (Nov 24, 2007 1:41pm)
A DVD would be a nice bonus, but more than adequate instructions come with the QB2.

Bob
Message: Posted by: Bob Johnston (Nov 24, 2007 8:51pm)
Quote:

On 2007-11-23 16:29, Stan Corrected wrote:
This may be a dumb question (what's the old saying "there are no stupid questions..")!

Using a Sharpie, I often find the spec erases their own 'mark(s)' when I have them do the bend in their hands (heat, moisture, etc.) Suggestions?

Heat and moisture do not make "dry" sharpie rub off.
Do you ask them to blow on the signature to make sure it is dry? That also makes them remember that they have marked the coin after the end of the routine.

Bob
Message: Posted by: magicmanfrank (Nov 24, 2007 10:47pm)
Quote:

On 2007-11-24 13:41, Wellington wrote:
A DVD would be a nice bonus, but more than adequate instructions come with the QB2.

Bob


You know Bob, I will have to disagree with you on that one.

I own the QB2 and have NEVER been able to perform it as I find the instructions lacking when it comes to teaching the actual loading & bending move.

I am just waiting, as we ALL ARE for the DVD to come out so that I can get a much CLEARER VISUAL of the working of it!

Some out there have had the luxury of getting Mr. Sheets to actually teach them in person.

I just have not been so lucky.

C'mon DVD, I've got a $500 prop that is just itchin' to be used!!!!

=Frank=
Message: Posted by: donkeys and waffles (Nov 27, 2007 11:22pm)
Eta on Dvd ?
Message: Posted by: joyce (Nov 27, 2007 11:43pm)
I have bought this also, but I cannot get full use of it without a instructional DVD. Hope this DVD will coming soon.
Message: Posted by: magicmanfrank (Nov 28, 2007 12:34am)
Quote:

On 2007-11-27 23:43, joyce wrote:
I have bought this also, but I cannot get full use of it without a instructional DVD. Hope this DVD will coming soon.


Well at least I'm not the ONLY one!
Message: Posted by: TheAmazingSteveo (Nov 28, 2007 2:37am)
I have to agree with everybody here about the DVD ... I think the QB2 is a fantastic item BUT I am VERY DISAPPOINTED in John not coming through on the DVD.
I really feel let down.
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (Nov 28, 2007 4:01am)
Magicmanfrank,

I don't understand how you cannot have a grasp on this by now, with all the PM's and emails that I have personally exchanged with you. I have explained it to you a million times!...lol. I have broken it down, step by step, I've explained it with different terms and grammar. I've even had the author of the directions exchange several emails with you too, and he explained it to you in his own words. Again, please remember that it is a tool, with practice you will find what works best for you. Again, I suggest getting a roll of coins. Bend the whole roll. By the time you get to the end of the roll you should have a good idea of what's going on. Did you do that? or has it been sitting on your shelf this whole time? It's not that hard of a thing to do. Basically, you put a coin in, bend it, remove the coin. :)

TheAmazingSteveo,
I will come through. You can mark my words on that. I have explained the situation previously, and I am doing my best. I never gave you a release date or set a deadline on this project.
Again, I will have the DVD out ASAP. Believe me, I'm tired of hearing about it already. This DVD wasn't originally planned to be a part of the package. It was an after thought, intended to be an added free bonus that I wanted to produce on my free time and send out (to those who sent in the Registration card), to show my appreciation to my customers, and to give them some aditional advice, a visual, and some extra routines, etc..
Thanks again everyone for your patients. :)
Message: Posted by: magicmanfrank (Nov 28, 2007 4:29am)
John-

I know, I know, but it may very well be a million more times needed!

Look, I understand the basics:

1). put the coin in
2). bend coin
3). take coin out
4). Ta-Dah!!!

My problem is not the basics, but how to get from #1 to #4 in a smooth, fluent manner! I feel that this is just something that has to be taught by actually SEEING it done in person, and NOT by reading text!

I will admit that I am NO FAN of Magic Instructions!

Most read like stereo instructions when it deals with moves, and usually I have a hard time following along! Plus instructions rarely show you the subtleties
or the real tips on the workings.

I took this with me to Magic Live in hopes that I could find someone who had one that would be willing to help me in person, but alas, I could not find someone who would!

If I could just get someone to demo & teach the moves to me in Person or via DVD, then I'm sure I will be a happy camper!

=Frank=
Message: Posted by: giobbi1 (Nov 28, 2007 8:47am)
Quote:

On 2007-11-28 04:29, magicmanfrank wrote:
John-

I know, I know, but it may very well be a million more times needed!

Look, I understand the basics:

1). put the coin in
2). bend coin
3). take coin out
4). Ta-Dah!!!

My problem is not the basics, but how to get from #1 to #4 in a smooth, fluent manner! I feel that this is just something that has to be taught by actually SEEING it done in person, and NOT by reading text!

I will admit that I am NO FAN of Magic Instructions!

Most read like stereo instructions when it deals with moves, and usually I have a hard time following along! Plus instructions rarely show you the subtleties
or the real tips on the workings.

I took this with me to Magic Live in hopes that I could find someone who had one that would be willing to help me in person, but alas, I could not find someone who would!

If I could just get someone to demo & teach the moves to me in Person or via DVD, then I'm sure I will be a happy camper!

=Frank=


I totally agree with you Frank. I have been successful in the past following written instructions so I'm not an idiot, but the instructions with QB2 are lacking. Yes, it does give you the "mechanics" of what to do, but for something that is going to be as strong as I think this is going to be, I would like to see a presentation that shows the justification and timing of each phase. I have also had it for several months now. I bought it in plenty of time to have it for a large corporate gig I have coming up next week and it is still setting on a shelf because I don't feel comfortable doing it. As for the suggestion that we get a roll of coins and bend them, I can make the thing bend a coin, I just don't get the handling and timing from the instructions. I would settle for being e-mailed a 30 sec. mpeg of John doing it. Maybe he would give someone who does it well permission to do that. He has my registration information. I know John didn't promise an eta on the dvd, but I bought this solely on the faith that I would have had it long before now and would be comfortable in performing it. It is in Johns best interest as well for all of the purchasers to be able to perform this as smoothly as possible to avoid any accidental exposure. That would be the ultimate shame. Still, I am very excited about the potential of this effect.
Message: Posted by: TheAmazingSteveo (Nov 28, 2007 9:15am)
I think an online 3 minute video would be great of John performing the entire routine from start to finish for all registered users (that would satisfy me until the DVD is out).
Message: Posted by: Slappy (Nov 28, 2007 11:29am)
Can't someone just post something on Youtube? This is ridiculous.
Message: Posted by: magicmanfrank (Nov 28, 2007 11:35am)
Youtube would probably not be the best way, as it would be available to those that did NOT purchase a QB2.

HOWEVER, I DO think that it would be a great idea for Mr. Sheets to, (as mentioned above), make available some sort of a mpeg for those of us who DO HAVE a QB2 to help us out while the DVD is being worked on.

=Frank=
Message: Posted by: Neznarf (Nov 28, 2007 12:16pm)
This will sound stange....

Go to a bar and do the routine for drunk people
and that will build up your CONFIDENCE.

Then eventually you'll be able to do it on sober people.

I was a magic bartender for many years and.....there ya go.

I have the QB 1.0 and as they say, never leave home without it.

Nez
Message: Posted by: Royston South (Nov 28, 2007 2:02pm)
Hi Guys,

I to have this and it works! "easier than a double lift" under fire!.

I'm sure if I'm wrong John will let us know but you can see John T Sheets performing his routine on the "LVMI LIVE 2003" DVD.

Hope this helps,

Royston.
Message: Posted by: sabitu (Nov 28, 2007 4:07pm)
I can understand why some people are hesitant to perform with QB2 for fear of getting caught. I felt the same way when I first got mine and I agree that the instructions could have been clearer. So instead of of letting my QB2 sit in a drawer until the DVD came out, I practiced the loading, bending, and removal of the coin in front of a mirror until I felt comfortable with the moves. This is the first step you need to get down. Everyone's different, so do whatever feels the most comfortable to you.

Now I know the biggest fear people have is that the bend is too out in the open and they will get caught. Believe me, I know how you feel. Your mind will continue to come up with reasons why you shouldn't perform with the QB2, and the only way to disprove these thoughts is to actually get out there and do it! You have no way of knowing this will not work until you at least give it a try. Trust me, as long as you have a little misdirection no one will suspect a thing. As far as how to misdirect the spectators, I suggest those of you who haven't performed with the QB2 follow a routine similar to the one quoted below. You can find this post on the first page of this thread.

Quote:

On 2007-03-26 15:27, sbays wrote:
I keep hearing people here saying they cant hide the bending of the coin. Guys, the QB2 does the BENDING for you. It is up to YOU to routine it and use MISDIRECTION to hide it, just like any other move. Now, the QB2 has a perfectly logical reason for being there as it looks totally innocent and has been in play since the beginning. Trust me, it flies by everyone. Although I am not going to give away my current handling, here is just a quickie to help hide the work.

Ask them for a coin, or provide one yourself. While demonstrating with your hands, ask them to check the coin out to make sure it's real (If its your coin)making sure it doesn't come apart, bend or squirt liquid. (small chuckle there)Then have them sign or mark the coin anyway they like. You have basically conditioned them to the moves later when doing the work. Take the signed coin back and make a comment about letting it dry for a moment. Then, I take a few other coins out of my pocket and have them check those out the same way as the other. (The work is done here)It only takes a moment guys. By the time they are done, the work is done and the Qb2 is long gone. I then take the signed coin and the extra coins and have them open their hands and I give them the coins.

I do my mojo and have them concentrate on their coin, and when they open their hands, their signed coin is bent.

Scott


The key to this routine is to bend the coin while the spectator is looking at the extra coins you have given them. You can say something like, "Make sure the rest of those coins are solid and they don't bend or anything like that." As you say the word bend, this is the point where you actually bend the coin so that your words match your actions. And yes, you do this right in front of them. No one will notice, including any surrounding people watching. They have no reason to suspect anything.

At the very least try this out on some family members or friends. Or like Nez said, do it for drunk people. You will be nervous the first couple time you do this, but you'll get over it pretty quickly. Once you try it out you will realize that there is nothing to be afraid of.

Matt
Message: Posted by: Magic Arty (Nov 28, 2007 6:11pm)
Not to be over bearing or anything like that, but I think perhaps some of these posts should be deleted. they are a bit to close to being exposure rather than helpful. There is enough information out there for the general public to see that is damaging to our art. I know we like to be helpful to each other, however I think there needs to be a time when we do not share everything we know on a topic.

Arthur
Message: Posted by: Bob Johnston (Nov 28, 2007 10:33pm)
Arthur is right, there is way to much information being discussed on this thread. This fact is epitomizied by the suggestion (on this thread) that someone should do a You Tube demo. There are already dozens of kids doing coin bends on You Tube, a QB2 demo is just what I would not want anywhere.

The QB2 is so well constructed that you do not need any misdirection to work with it.

Bob
Message: Posted by: MJ Marrs (Nov 29, 2007 12:13am)
I agree about the whole YouTube thing: We definitely should NOT post a demo there due to the risk that everyone would find out that QB 2.0 uses a tomato to bend a quarter. Oh, man, I just exposed the gimmick...how do I delete this post...moderator--please delete!
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (Nov 29, 2007 12:53am)
I know I've said this already, but, hang in there guys! I wont let you down, this DVD things gonna get finished asap! :)
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (Nov 29, 2007 2:33am)
I agree, I don't want exposure either. Please delete what needs to be deleted. Also, please, no Youtube. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (Nov 29, 2007 4:34am)
Royston South,
The performance on the "LVMI LIVE 2003" DVD was with the first version of the "Quantum Bender". The first version had it's drawbacks. The "Quantum Bender 2.0" is very much improved, which results in a smoother performance.
Message: Posted by: Darren Kidby (Dec 1, 2007 7:50am)
Hey John,
So what time frame are we really looking at, 1 week?, 1 month?, 3 months? a year?
As said up in previous posts it would not take a lot for you to video a small clip and mail it to those of us who are having difficulty.

Darren..
Message: Posted by: Sean Macfarlane (Dec 1, 2007 12:19pm)
I have one and I was a bit scared to do it, and over time I conquered the fear. I have my own routine that I do now, actually two. Just work with it and you will come up with your own way. You need to do it in front of real people though to really get the feel for it and when to do the bend. I do it while I am talking to them, right under their nose. They have no idea that the coin is going to be bent so they are not looking for it. Time misdirection. Just do it.

Sean
Message: Posted by: Bob Johnston (Dec 1, 2007 11:14pm)
I use the QB2 on a regular basis and find no need for misdirection, verbal or otherwise. It is the one thing about the QB2 (for me) that makes it so unique.

Bob
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Dec 2, 2007 11:38am)
How would the QB2 look on stage? That is, there is obviously a broader picture(area) for the audience to see than when performing close-up.
Message: Posted by: Bob Johnston (Dec 2, 2007 5:18pm)
The audience would never know they were looking at the QB2 if they did see it.
The question could well be, how would pennies dimes and quarters play on stage with an audience 10 to 100 feet away.

Close up only works (IMO) on stage if the subject you bring up is verbose and animated.

Bob
Message: Posted by: Darren Kidby (Dec 9, 2007 9:31am)
Hey John,
did you read my last question?

Darren...
Message: Posted by: Magic Arty (Dec 9, 2007 2:01pm)
Hey Darren, Many working guys are busy this time of year. Holiday partys and such put quite the demand on us and leave us with little to anything but get ready for the next gig.
John's last post said it would happen asap. Why can't you leave it at that?
Message: Posted by: Darren Kidby (Dec 10, 2007 6:33am)
Hey Arther,
As a busy Pro myself I know how busy people are,I just wanted a time frame, I bought my Quantum Bender a few months ago and still don't have any answers, and I asked the question to boost the post to the top so it doesn't get lost, I just want to use this great product and I want to use it correctly, therefore not expose the gimmick, I don't think it is to much to ask.

Darren...
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (Dec 10, 2007 6:40pm)
Hi Darren,

Magic Arty said it well. This is an extremely busy time of year. Again, this project IS on the top of my "Must Finish ASAP" list of things to do. I have been receiving email, and phone calls (even snail-mail too!) about this project, almost daily. There is no "time frame", because my intentions are to have it out ASAP.
Everybody has their own way to hold the QB2 & do the bend in a way that feels comfortable and natural to them. Some people hold the device with their thumbs on one side, while some hold it with their thumbs on the opposite side. Different performers do the actual bend at different moments during the routine too. They do what feels most natural to them. It is basically a "nack" that must be practiced to do smoothly. I recommend getting a roll of coins. Bend all of them. By the time you bend that many, you will have a better feel for it. It will get ALLOT easier with time & practice.I am happy to help you as much as I can. Please spend some time with the device, experiment with it. I think you'll like it (or like most people, love it!). Please let me know how it comes along and if there are any more questions that I can answer for you. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: donkeys and waffles (Dec 11, 2007 12:32am)
Quote:

On 2007-12-09 14:01, Magic Arty wrote:
Hey Darren, Many working guys are busy this time of year. Holiday partys and such put quite the demand on us and leave us with little to anything but get ready for the next gig.
John's last post said it would happen asap. Why can't you leave it at that?


Maybe because it was at the top of his list almost NINE MONTHS AGO brother. The fact that he is going to be busy this time of yr should have been taken into consideration. I think we are all wanting to have a dvd to be able to use this 600 dollar effect. I get dvds with 20 dollars gimmicks, so I think the creator popping on here and saying, " I havent forgotten about you guys" has grown old to many on the thread. I am waiting to purchase until the dvd is completed and I would be very unhappy for shelling out the cash and not feeling comfortable performing it because I didn't have a dvd showing methods. If it was 2 or 3 months and no dvd, that is pushing it. I think 9 months is ridiculous. I can have a dvd made in 4 days and duped 500 times in a week. We are not talking about how to build a spaceship. You stand in front a black background, have a camera and a boom mic, and proceed to explain the effect, patter,handlings etc... Take it to the editing room and finish. 6 months, I mean no disrespect but come on... I think Darrens question was totally valid, if John hasnt forgotten about this, a time frame is something that should easily be figured out unless it hasnt been worked on at all. Noone is flaming John but everyone should surely agree that a secure site to view it or a dvd should have been completed looooooonnnng before now.
Message: Posted by: sabitu (Dec 11, 2007 12:45am)
Give John a break, he's providing this DVD to owners of QB2 for FREE. This isn't something he has to do and the fact that he is making a DVD is very generous. I can understand the impatience but the DVD really isn't necessary in order to perform with QB2. What do you think people owning QB1 and QB2 did way back when the idea for a DVD wasn't even on the table yet?

Matt
Message: Posted by: donkeys and waffles (Dec 11, 2007 12:52am)
[quote]
On 2007-12-11 00:45, sabitu wrote:
Give John a break, he's providing this DVD to owners of QB2 for FREE. This isn't something he has to do and the fact that he is making a DVD is very generous. I can understand the impatience but the DVD really isn't necessary in order to perform with QB2. What do you think people owning QB1 and QB2 did way back when the idea for a DVD wasn't even on the table yet?

Matt


Well, if you read the whole thread, you will see that A LOT of guys/gals aren't using them. I agree that it is generous but please don't start with the "give John a break" posts. He mentioned it and we got excited. It has been 9 months and nothing, enough said.
Message: Posted by: whitefish (Dec 11, 2007 6:58am)
I use mine all the time, you bend a borrowed signed coin and bend it, can't beat it for reactions or leaving a lasting memory.
One point though, I just had a gig in Germany and you can't bend Euro, not sure what those things are made from but they won't bend an inch!

Wayne
Message: Posted by: Crimson-Death (Dec 11, 2007 7:13am)
What I do not understand is why people would spend that much money on this gimmick, about $ 600 more or less, knowing that this did not include a DVD, but only written instructions, and then not use the gimmick because there is not a DVD showing methods to use it. Are there really people in that situation?

I knew full well that there was no DVD included. I knew full well that the written instructions were difficult to follow through in actual performance because I researched through all the QB2 threads I possibly could before spending so much money on something. So my logical conclusion was that I was going to have to come up with a personal method for me to make it work in actual performance. And if I was going to spend that much money on this I better have the knowledge and skills as a performer to customize a personal method for my own routine. I better find a way to get comfortable using the QB2, with DVD or without.

Yeah, it would be nice to have a free DVD, not included with the gimmick, showing JT's methods, the creator's methods. But I would rather wait for a properly done video with tips and ideas, like John seems to be doing, rather than a DVD "made in 4 days and duped 500 times in a week." The time frames and processes necessary to make a PROPER DVD are alien to me, and I am ignorant of the commitments John has to attend to first. So even though NINE MONTHS is a LONG TIME to wait, I will give John a break for making something FREE for me that I was not entitled to in the first place. In the meanwhile, I will have some fun performing using the gimmick with my own method.
Message: Posted by: whitefish (Dec 11, 2007 7:16am)
Well put.
Message: Posted by: Crimson-Death (Dec 11, 2007 7:21am)
Quote:

On 2007-12-11 06:58, whitefish wrote:
I use mine all the time, you bend a borrowed signed coin and bend it, can't beat it for reactions or leaving a lasting memory.
One point though, I just had a gig in Germany and you can't bend Euro, not sure what those things are made from but they won't bend an inch!

Wayne


Hmm, that's too bad, because there were some people asking about the Euros a while back. I guess now we know for sure, but there must be some Euro coins you can bend, no?
Message: Posted by: whitefish (Dec 11, 2007 7:38am)
Only the very small ones I.e 10 cents and below.

I actually raided an old coin collection so I had a load of old coins plus I added some uk 10p and quarters. I made sure that there was lots of different types of coins and this went down just as good. In fact everyone had a great time picking out the coin they wanted as they were some pre-euro coins in there that they loved. Plus as an added bonus they thought it was even more amazing because they thought they had a completly free choice which they did, because I could bend them all!
I have loads of these coins so they should last me for the odd Europe gig.
Remember just emphasize that you have some coins and they can pick any one, its their choice.....
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Jan 8, 2008 8:05am)
Any update on the QB2 DVD?
Message: Posted by: giobbi1 (Jan 8, 2008 1:17pm)
I haven't heard anything. I check here every day.

update:

It's been 2 months since the last update on the dvd. I wonder if this is still on the top of the "must finish asap" list? John, any closer to completion?
Message: Posted by: swtrocks (May 11, 2008 7:39pm)
And another 4 months goes by...
Message: Posted by: VIEW (May 12, 2008 6:12am)
Anyone have a qb2 to sell?
Message: Posted by: giobbi1 (May 12, 2008 8:24am)
There should be several to sell since obviously no DVD is coming. About 60 more days and mine might be for sale. I'm tired of waiting and being lied to. I'll post it if I decide to sell it.
Message: Posted by: 2003 user (May 12, 2008 8:34am)
I don't think a DVD is so important if you are a working magician. I got mine and perform it ready a year without the DVD.
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (May 12, 2008 10:59am)
Its true - I use the QB2 daily... no problemo - developed my own style and routines with it BUT I still would love to see the Master Creator in action some day ;)
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (May 12, 2008 11:28am)
Quote:

On 2008-05-12 10:59, Dr Spektor wrote:
Its true - I use the QB2 daily... no problemo - developed my own style and routines with it BUT I still would love to see the Master Creator in action some day ;)


All is very true and the discussion of a DVD does go back to March of '07. After a year, you would think that if nothing else, go out and just shoot live performances and forget editing, just duplicate and send out. I can think of a couple of slogans. Get 'er done and Just do It!! Help us out here John.

Steve
Message: Posted by: magicmanfrank (May 12, 2008 12:25pm)
Quote:

After a year, you would think that if nothing else, go out and just shoot live performances and forget editing, just duplicate and send out. I can think of a couple of slogans. Get 'er done and Just do It!! Help us out here John.

Steve


That is exactly what I think!!!

I don't need any fancy titles or editing, just a clear view of the WORKINGS!

This could be done in one afternoon, but alas........

=Frank=
Message: Posted by: giobbi1 (May 12, 2008 2:19pm)
Quote:

On 2008-05-12 08:34, 2003 user wrote:
I don't think a DVD is so important if you are a working magician. I got mine and perform it ready a year without the DVD.


Your reply really hit a nerve with me. This is probably the longest post I've ever made and most assuredly the strongest statement I have ever made on here. The main reason is I very much realize that differences of opinion and outlooks are what make this board an interesting read so I have never been so arrogant to think my opinion was the only one. Also, I know there are a certain group of "Untouchables" on here that you don't dare say anything negative about and John is in that class. However, the truth is the truth.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion and I am glad you were able to work this out and get your uses out of it. I have many tricks myself that I learned without the aid of a dvd. I am a part time worker who stays fairly busy so I resent your implication that anyone who wants the dvd isn't as proficient as you or working as much. That is a very arrogant statement since you have no idea who you are insulting or their credentials for performing. You don't think the dvd is important. I don't care. I DO! I didn't tell you how much of a worker I am to convince you the dvd is needed just as your statement didn't convince me it isn't. As has been stated on here many times, someone who has to tell you how much of a worker they are are usually a legend in their own mind.

I have my own reasons for wanting the dvd and I bought this effect on the promise that a dvd was coming SHORTLY. Months later is not SHORTLY. Also, in the meantime, John has released another effect for $150.00 COMPLETE with a dvd, so he has had the time. In my opinion only, it comes down to this, he has sold the majority of the QB2's he is going to sell and there is no more money to be made by finishing the dvd. MOST people who wanted one have them so there is no marketing or financial reason for him to do so. I personally don't think he has any intention of finishing it. If he did, it would have been done before Nailed It. Also, as stated before, I don't even care if it's a fully edited slick dvd. I just wanted to see a couple performances from a couple different angles. 2 min. max. That's all. I would even accept it if he just came on here and said he has no intention of doing it. That is all I want to discuss this. I get no joy or pride out of hammering someone. I am very sure John is a nice guy and a good friend to the people who know him. I'll just continue to wait to see if he keeps his word. At some arbitrary deadline in my head, my QB2 will be for sale. Maybe you need a spare.
Message: Posted by: kiss_bpp (May 12, 2008 5:06pm)
I would have to say you nailed it giobbi1!!! However I truely doubt there will ever be a true end to this one. I have considered selling mine myself but I can't bring myself to it. Not after spending my money on a "Patented" Utility device.
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (May 12, 2008 6:06pm)
Besides, QB2 is excellent... why sell it?

But I agree, a chop-poorly edited DVD would be wonderful gravy!
Message: Posted by: giobbi1 (May 13, 2008 8:26am)
I agree Dr. Spektor. As disappointed as I am about being lied to, this is one of a few effects that I believe would live up to it's hype. I really believe it is that good. It's just a shame that John refuses to keep his word. Some of us feel we are out a trick. He is out his reputation to me.
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (May 24, 2008 9:45pm)
Hi Guys,

The QB2 DVD is near completion. The performance segments are edited and finished. I am now finishing up the explanation segments. I thought that I would post the performance segments for you now, rather than keeping you waiting longer. Here is a video with different short clips. This video also includes three full length performances, with NO camera edits, and from different angles. I hope that this will help, as many of you said that it would.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYlTe-2PO90
Message: Posted by: sabitu (May 24, 2008 10:11pm)
Wow, his handling of the QB2 was impressive. Very smooth and quick. Thanks for the preview John.

Matt
Message: Posted by: lunatik (May 25, 2008 1:59am)
Everyone now should know why the QB2 is the Rolls Royce of coin benders :) Lowering the price to have Ell*sionist and P*nguin kids posting Youtube how-to clips would be a travesty. I believe it's priced right and is worth every cent! Get one now, you never know if the price will be raised!!
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (May 25, 2008 2:21pm)
Nice! Heck, that clip was wonderful - it showed me your entire routining for the deed... wow - as mentioned above - super quick... that DVD will be gold!
Message: Posted by: giobbi1 (May 26, 2008 9:58am)
Thank you John. That does help a lot. Since I have been one of the biggest critics on here, I wanted to be one of the first to say those clips give all of the information I have been asking for and I should now be well on my way to practicing and eventually performing QB 2.0 Thanks again for putting this up while we wait for the completed DVD. I'm sure it will have additional tips, but this is a huge leap forward.
Message: Posted by: DougNicols (May 26, 2008 1:41pm)
Watching that video has convinced me to buy the QB2!
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (May 27, 2008 9:12pm)
Wow, thanks for all the great feedback!! The QB2 video shows just a basic routine. I decided to show the most basic routine, leaving the rest for the DVD. There will be a ton of stuff on the DVD.
Also, I did included the "work" onto the trailer video (unlike other videos). I did not want to be deceptive with those who might be interested in it. I also knew that everyone here would see the "work", as it was intended to show an example of how easy it is to use and operate.
Thank you everyone, for all of your support.
Message: Posted by: takeachance (May 27, 2008 9:33pm)
When will you be mailing these out, not sure were my rego papers are since its been a while since I bought it direct from you. Hopefully you have my name on your mailing list
cheerz
Neil M
Sydney Australia
Message: Posted by: VcosNJ (May 27, 2008 9:53pm)
That does look good. :)
Message: Posted by: gabelson (May 29, 2008 1:37am)
Gotta tell ya, John's talent aside, the QB2 is the ONLY coin b#$#@r made where the "work" can be displayed so openly. I do this daily (not nearly as well as John), and I have yet to be caught. But mostly, I'd like to tip my cap to John's truthfulness in advertising. In this magickal world, filled, unfortunately, with rip-offs, false advertising, bogus claims, empty promises, and slick, MTV-style, avant-garde promos designed to hide the shoddy or obvious mechanics of a less-than-practical effect, the QB2 is a product that DELIVERS, and John proves it... right out in the open... under your nose. Pricey? Heck, you can spend a lot more for a lot less... and usually will.

Bravo.
Message: Posted by: gdw (May 29, 2008 11:51am)
Might I ask, what is the difference between the QB and the QB2?
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (May 29, 2008 12:39pm)
Awesome video.....perhaps I can save some bent quarters up for this one day. Anyone have any success stories of how long it took them to get smooth with this?
Message: Posted by: Steve Suss (May 29, 2008 12:51pm)
I've been happily bending quarters for almost a year now using the QB2. It is always one of the most effective and talked about things I do. After viewing the video I noticed some subtlties that will make the bending even more deceptive. I'm glad John is making this video and look forward to learning as much as I can using this great method.

Steve
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (May 29, 2008 2:55pm)
I am right handed and my right front jeans pocket is for PW always. WIll I have to learn something unnatural if I keep the QB2 and the Sharpie in my "left" front jeans pocket for retrival and going south when done? I have to wear jeans for my regular western gig.

PS: I like having the quarter bend/melt in the specs hands, I find this more towards a mentalist performance. Both are very good however especially when no s****ch is involved.
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (May 29, 2008 3:09pm)
QB2 is sturdier and can withstand a nuclear blast.

Candini, left pocket front no problem - people are so misdirected you could palm an elephant and load it into a spec's ear
Message: Posted by: lunatik (May 29, 2008 6:13pm)
I keep mine in my right back pocket. sometimes I switch it to my left back pocket for variety. either way works great
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (May 29, 2008 7:50pm)
Thanks guys...
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (May 30, 2008 11:42am)
After seeing the video I was just curious about the risk of using the QB as the title. Any fear of a googler? Maybe just my paranoia of exposure.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (May 30, 2008 3:56pm)
I spent quite a bit of time with John going over his handling and many touches... wait until you see all of the great thinking John has on this. It's really wonderful. John's ideas make this a miracle.

Tim
Message: Posted by: omnibozo (Jun 1, 2008 6:57pm)
John's too polite to do this, but what the hey... I'll go for it...
We TOLD you so!

Bob LaRue
Omnibozo
Message: Posted by: magicman899 (Jun 2, 2008 4:45pm)
Is the gimmick more or less the same design between QB and QB2?
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (Jun 2, 2008 6:50pm)
Hi magicman899,

There is a huge difference in quality, materials, craftsmanship, ease of use, and leverage. The first version was good at the time, but is nothing compared to the second version now. I hope this helps. :)
Message: Posted by: gabelson (Jun 2, 2008 7:44pm)
Holy grail of benders, IMHO.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jun 6, 2008 3:25pm)
Okay, mine arrived about 1.5 hours ago. I got a good deal on a new one and I can tell you I was nervous about such a major purchase. I can make it up working gigs but still, I have been burnt or just could not find something to suit my needs and a quick sale imminent in the last few years. I do fork and spoon bending under noses regularly so perhaps I can get use to this quicker since it is sooo bold?

Anyway, I started out right away with a quarter bend. This thing is made for quarters by the way. My biggest problem is thinking I will break it. So, it took be sometimes twice to get the bend. Then, I oriented it in my hands and went through penny after penny. I put on my jeans and went through my whole presentation in front of the mirror. The only con I have right now is nothing to do with the QB2 but since I wear jeans where I perform 90 pct of the time, I found my butt has gotten just a tad bigger so I will jog here shortly. My back pocket of my jeans is pretty tight so alternatively I can use my front left pocket but I want to try and make this work to the rear, harch.

John and others who have helped me, a big thanks! You may see a big surprise coming out later this year and no I will not tell you what. I hope like many others the price will go up on this. I would hate to see someone using this and not giving it respect. I do not promote too many products (well perhaps a few hypes as a joke before I actually see them) but this is one I will use.

Oh yeah, I tried it out on my 12 yr old daughter twice with pennies. I put about 75 pct of my presentation in the 2nd performance and she was convinced its that good (no clue on what it is). Now this is after receiving this today mind you. I have a 3 hr strolling gig tomorrow and I plan on being ready. Muscle memory (martial arts) is very important so practice is worthy of QB. Oh yeah, for the quarter, it took me two bends a few times after working with pennies so this something to watch. I use two hands for any coin right now. I think pennies may be a bit harder to get use to because of the way its set but it does not take long to figure this out. That's all folks.
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 6, 2008 7:05pm)
Pennies is the only one I can do 1 handed. I do the bend under the guise of stretching and it's done in second. quarters definitely take 2 hands.
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Jun 6, 2008 8:18pm)
If you use your thigh it doesn't.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jun 6, 2008 9:05pm)
LOL, you he-men........I tried one handed but it may require more leverage, will have to work on it.

I do my spoon b***s the way you do the one hand method Lunatik. And in a second also.....great disguise.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jun 8, 2008 12:56am)
I just got this yesterday and used it all night tonight for a 3 hr strolling gig. Great reactions. Im a mentalist and can do it:) Even a few times when I fumbled and was surrounded it worked wonderfully. I love having the coin get warm and bend in their hands.

The last group were rowdy and liquored up. The guy still swore I switched it. I backtracked and explained every step. I would hate to do a switch again and have to put up with this. I know many never do hear it but all crowds are diffrent.

Funny how only the majority of folks seem to have change anymore. A few times they pulled out nickels. ALthough I have already bent some nickels in practice, I ask them if they have anything else. This is a great calling card to leave with someone. You see them looking at it and passing it around after.

SO glad I made a great utility purchase. :yippee:
Message: Posted by: TT2 (Jun 8, 2008 1:54am)
For what it's worth, I pull out two markers and casually hand the participant one of them, requesting their mark on the coin. I never switch and I've bent hundreds and hundreds of coins with my QB2 and have never been busted or called on this handling or discrepancy.

The work is done so fast and smoothly; I simply put the QB away and go into the bend. Folks don't ever notice or remember both being in play.

I also agree with Gabe - the QB2 IS the Holy Grail of coin benders, period. This isn't up for discussion, it IS the best coin bender available :) :) :) (I've owned both versions and practically every other bender out there, going all the way back to Yuval's gimmick and varied other utilities many years before that.)

Best,
Jerome
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jun 8, 2008 6:26am)
Nice Jerome! Do you take back the Sharpie from the spectator after they finish writing with it or after you complete the actual bend?
Message: Posted by: sleightofand (Jun 8, 2008 6:50am)
WHAT!!!! £550 for a coin bend!!! you must be joking!! I don't care how great it is. I much prefer to pre bend a coin and switch it out and use a topit to ditch the other one!! much cheaper and same sort of reaction I guess too!!
Message: Posted by: Andi Peters (Jun 8, 2008 7:07am)
I sold my QB2 for the much cheaper coinvexed and have had exactly the same reactions to a signed coin bend. I used the cash I saved to buy the Telethought Wallet, Osterlind's DVDs and David Regal's new book. Much better value!

Well done David Penn on sticking it to the QB 2.0
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Jun 8, 2008 9:52am)
$550 bucks, not GBP :)

Also, I use 2 coins - as I give them one to try bending themselves with their "brawn" - I do the work in the split second or even in front of there face while I'm telling thm to bend it... then I tell them to keep it as watch... do the "bend" in front of them or in their hands.... and tell thm to keep the coin as the coin is now destroyed...

This helps show all coins are in the specs hands... tons o' misdirection... you also appear a champ for replacing the destroyed money... etc.

One handed quarter can be done... thigh... or table... think Uri Geller.... but really, you don't have to... watch the vid of John... you can do I under their noses... its all magicians guilt... think of when you were a palming virgin... (boy does that sound bad!)
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 8, 2008 10:24am)
Quote:

On 2008-06-08 07:07, Andi Peters wrote:
I sold my QB2 for the much cheaper coinvexed and have had exactly the same reactions to a signed coin bend. I used the cash I saved to buy the Telethought Wallet, Osterlind's DVDs and David Regal's new book. Much better value!

Well done David Penn on sticking it to the QB 2.0


Sticking it to QB2 hahaha. Please do us a big favor and post a clip of a full performance of Coinvexed with no cuts and no camera misdirection. Ohhhhh, wait a second, you won't because there's too much fiddling going on in trying to get 2 different gimmicks into play and ditched! We'll be waiting for this new clip of yours :)
Message: Posted by: Andi Peters (Jun 8, 2008 10:31am)
Quote:

On 2008-06-08 10:24, lunatik wrote:
Quote:

On 2008-06-08 07:07, Andi Peters wrote:
I sold my QB2 for the much cheaper coinvexed and have had exactly the same reactions to a signed coin bend. I used the cash I saved to buy the Telethought Wallet, Osterlind's DVDs and David Regal's new book. Much better value!

Well done David Penn on sticking it to the QB 2.0


Sticking it to QB2 hahaha. Please do us a big favor and post a clip of a full performance of Coinvexed with no cuts and no camera misdirection. Ohhhhh, wait a second, you won't because there's too much fiddling going on in trying to get 2 different gimmicks into play and ditched! We'll be waiting for this new clip of yours :)

Thanks for proving my point.
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 8, 2008 11:29am)
Clip coming soon? Didn't think so. Thanks for proving MY point :)
Message: Posted by: Andi Peters (Jun 8, 2008 11:34am)
Quote:

On 2008-06-08 11:29, lunatik wrote:
Clip coming soon? Didn't think so. Thanks for proving MY point :)

If I wanted to impress 12 year olds I'd post a video of me using QB2 on YouTube.

As I work in the real world Coinvexed does an equally good job for less than a third of the price. That's the point I was making.

Have fun being an internet magician. I'm off to a real world gig.

Andi :-)
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 8, 2008 2:48pm)
I think you'll find more 'working' pro's using QB2. Coinvexed does not do an equally good job in comparison to the QB2. Btw, where's the clip of Coinvexed, start to finish with no cuts or camera misdirection? Ohhhhhhhhh, schnaaaps!! Have fun performing at Goodwill :)
Message: Posted by: gabelson (Jun 8, 2008 2:55pm)
Quote:

On 2008-06-08 11:34, Andi Peters wrote:
Quote:

On 2008-06-08 11:29, lunatik wrote:
Clip coming soon? Didn't think so. Thanks for proving MY point :)

If I wanted to impress 12 year olds I'd post a video of me using QB2 on YouTube.

As I work in the real world Coinvexed does an equally good job for less than a third of the price. That's the point I was making.

Have fun being an internet magician. I'm off to a real world gig.

Andi :)



Hey, pliers do an equally good job, too. But I wouldn't pull them out in front of a spec. One item, one piece, one coin, no fiddling. An organic, everyday item. Don't even have to ditch the darn thing. For me, it's a slam-dunk.

If Coinvexed works for you, that's great. You certainly have better pocket management skills than I do.
Message: Posted by: Andi Peters (Jun 8, 2008 3:30pm)
Quote:

On 2008-06-08 14:48, lunatik wrote:
I think you'll find more 'working' pro's using QB2. Coinvexed does not do an equally good job in comparison to the QB2. Btw, where's the clip of Coinvexed, start to finish with no cuts or camera misdirection? Ohhhhhhhhh, schnaaaps!! Have fun performing at Goodwill :)

Do you only ever perform for the camera?
Message: Posted by: Andi Peters (Jun 8, 2008 3:38pm)
[/quote]

Hey, pliers do an equally good job, too. But I wouldn't pull them out in front of a spec. One item, one piece, one coin, no fiddling. An organic, everyday item. Don't even have to ditch the darn thing. For me, it's a slam-dunk.
[/quote]

I suppose you pay the extra money for a trick that does more of the work for you.

It's a trade-off I don't mind making based on my current skill set.
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 8, 2008 3:47pm)
Like I said in my review of both products, both will do the job, just one does it better. In my opinion, Coinvexed is the #2 bender on the market, far above the others. Bang for your buck? You definitely get it with Coinvexed. Rolls Royce versus a BMW, both are nice, but one has an edge over the other. If you have the money for either of the two, pick up the QB2. If you're strapped for cash, get Coinvexed!
Message: Posted by: Andi Peters (Jun 8, 2008 3:50pm)
Quote:

On 2008-06-08 15:47, lunatik wrote:
Like I said in my review of both products, both will do the job, just one does it better. In my opinion, Coinvexed is the #2 bender on the market, far above the others. Bang for your buck? You definitely get it with Coinvexed. Rolls Royce versus a BMW, both are nice, but one has an edge over the other. If you have the money for either of the two, pick up the QB2. If you're strapped for cash, get Coinvexed!

Cool.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

No point falling out over a couple of benders!
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jun 8, 2008 6:21pm)
Quote:

On 2008-06-08 11:34, Andi Peters wrote:
Quote:

On 2008-06-08 11:29, lunatik wrote:
Clip coming soon? Didn't think so. Thanks for proving MY point :)

If I wanted to impress 12 year olds I'd post a video of me using QB2 on YouTube.

As I work in the real world Coinvexed does an equally good job for less than a third of the price. That's the point I was making.

Have fun being an internet magician. I'm off to a real world gig.

Andi :)


Funny.....come on guys. Its the end result that counts. I have not seen the coinvexed but love the QB2. Its whatever suits your needs. The ease of use of the QB2 and most importantly the very small versatile everyday least pocketspace required nature to me is hard to beat.

Now if anyone wants to post a Sw***h is better I would have to say cheaper but not better. I love it when the spectator mentions a switch now. I like my patter reply back at him much better then I do prior to the bend. It sells and seals the impossibility of the bent coin in a much bigger way. In fact, I brought up the impossibility of it all when the effect was finished last night. What does one say after a sw***h and the spectator says that's not my coin. "You are a liar dude" may not land you any future gigs with the client.

I'm not sure how long Coinvex takes to get use to but Im not great at sleight of hand and a real world performer. QB2 arrived and the next day Im using it for a long gig.

PS: I like the presentation of the Coinvex on the video demo. :)
Message: Posted by: gabelson (Jun 8, 2008 6:32pm)
Consider: You first bend a coin using a sw**tch. Then, you're asked to repeat it. Now, you use Neil Tobin's brilliant X-Pert with a "marked" coin so they can keep track of it. Everyone's raving about your "ability", and tells another couple of people to watch what you did. Now, you tell THEM to sign the coin, and bend it using your QB2 (or Coinvexed). Finally, you do a bend for the fourth time (in front of the original 'fans' of yours), and you utilize Andrew Gerard's BRILLIANT "Psych". They see the coin bend twice, and you're clean.

Combining methods that cancel each other out, is a great way to get people to really scratch their heads.
Message: Posted by: omnibozo (Jun 9, 2008 12:59am)
I'm not skilled enough to perform for a youtube video, so I just muddle along performing for real live audiences with my subpar QB2 routine. I can only seem to handle a one-piece bender. If I was a REAL magician and practiced a lot I guess I'd be fine with using two separate pieces plus the coin, and maybe even some totally secret cords running up both sleeves (so I could look real cool walking around with my elbows pressed to my sides!), and I'll bet with enough practice I could even line up the doodads well enough to get a good bend without leaving those nasty tool marks on the coin. But I'm just not that good.
Bob LaRue
Omnibozo
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jun 9, 2008 1:19am)
Quote:

On 2008-06-09 00:59, omnibozo wrote:
I'm not skilled enough to perform for a youtube video, so I just muddle along performing for real live audiences with my subpar QB2 routine. I can only seem to handle a one-piece bender. If I was a REAL magician and practiced a lot I guess I'd be fine with using two separate pieces plus the coin, and maybe even some totally secret cords running up both sleeves (so I could look real cool walking around with my elbows pressed to my sides!), and I'll bet with enough practice I could even line up the doodads well enough to get a good bend without leaving those nasty tool marks on the coin. But I'm just not that good.
Bob LaRue
Omnibozo


Tell me about it. The only thing I would be hired for as a magician is a 4 yr old birthday party. Crap, I go on you tube and I see 8 yr old magicians with amazing talent. Glad I do not have to compete with those kids.

Anyone planning on buying the QB2 please treat it with respect and milk the presentation for all its worth. QB2 will do its job but you have to do yours also.

I forgot all about lack of tool marks Saturday during the QB debut. ANother piece of great information I left out to cancel out any backtracking. Thanks Bob.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jun 10, 2008 11:36pm)
Our only Ace Hardware store is not helpful. With the economy tanking, they have closed the rest of the stores here. Before gas spikes to $7 a gallon, I'd like to try and find some touch up paint for my precious QB2. If anyone has found a good match besides ACE, please PM me. Thanks in advance.
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (Jun 11, 2008 12:25am)
Hi Candin,

I just PMed you a link for touch-up paint. :)
Message: Posted by: algebraic (Jun 11, 2008 10:36am)
JTSmagic,

May I also have the link? Thank you.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jun 12, 2008 4:00am)
Thanks John.......
Message: Posted by: eric6 (Jun 21, 2008 5:29am)
John,

May I also have the link ? Thank you.
Message: Posted by: DougNicols (Jun 21, 2008 9:50am)
You might want to include the link on the upcoming DVD as well. :)
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jun 22, 2008 1:50am)
I ended up buying my can directly from the one and only ACE in town. When I first called, they said they didn't have it. I called the next day and asked if they could order it (more work). Then they went and really, really looked for it.

The one I purchased matched exactly and it was under the ACE name and not the Krylon name. I brought what I needed to match it up.

I have used QB2 a zillion times in performance now. My only dilemma is these days they want another quarter after I finish. Pennies will solve this problem of course but the QB2 is made for quarters and I feel they have a better impact. I will continue to be the good guy and exchange it out for them. Point out there are NO TOOL marks which I feel stresses the impossible nature of this incredible affect.
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 22, 2008 2:13am)
You must be getting some stinjy customers who want another quarter. I would try to sell them that it really is a "one of a kind" souvenier, well, in fact it is!!
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jun 22, 2008 2:22am)
LOL, I did a ritzy gig Thurs night at a high end hotel. I could not believe it when the woman asked if I could bend it back. Bling bling all over, implants you name it. She was a good spectator before that. I told her it was a collectors item but I could give her another quarter for it. She said okay give me a quarter. Her friends told her to keep it. I tried to keep from questioning.

I would use my own quarters but I think they will think trick. Guess it doesn't matter as long as I make the offer.
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 22, 2008 4:01am)
Next time if someone asks you if you can bend it back, say "Sorry, I'm feeling kind of light headed after melting that quarter, please keep it as a souvenier."

I would never offer to replace their quarter. Only if they make a big stink about it I would. But before I would give it to them, I would make it a point to give the bent quarter to someone else who was watching and mention "You know a miracle when you see one, please keep this as a souvenier!" If you try this, let me know how it goes :)
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jun 22, 2008 7:10am)
LOL, that's great you Lunatik. that's a good one, I will let you know:) May use that first one.....the other one I would reserve for the drunk ones.
Message: Posted by: Steve Suss (Jun 23, 2008 1:14pm)
With all the competition among coin benders someone ought to come up with a real coin straightener. It would pay for itself right away.

Steve
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Jun 23, 2008 3:25pm)
Quote:

On 2008-06-23 13:14, Steve Suss wrote:
With all the competition among coin benders someone ought to come up with a real coin straightener. It would pay for itself right away.

Steve


It's called a hammer!
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jun 24, 2008 3:49am)
Yeah it would be very nice since that is being asked regularly even more so then flatware bends.
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (Oct 14, 2008 1:41am)
Hi guys,

The information for the touch up paint has been included in the QB2 DVD. The DVD's have been shipped. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (Oct 15, 2008 12:36am)
Hi Guys,

There is a TON of stuff on the new QB2 DVD. More than one might even imagine. I hope you can all get something from it, as I know there is more than enough material for just one person to use.
Yes, I know it was slow at coming to fruition. Again, I apologize about the slow process, and the delay. I hope it was worth the wait. However, I did hold up to my promise and produce, cover the cost of, and ship world wide this DVD for FREE to all those who have purchased and returned thier registration cards. I have received tons of email of support. I'd like to say thanks to all of you who have written to me, and also thanks for all of your comments about seeing it on the David Blaine TV special. It was a great experience.
Happy bending.

Magically,
John

PS -The QB2 DVDs are now included with any new purchases of the QB2.
Message: Posted by: Nat (Oct 15, 2008 7:26am)
John,

Thank you for keeping your promise about sending the DVD and, particularly, the fine ideas, comments and routines on the tape. First-Rate!!

nate


Quote:

On 2008-10-15 00:36, JTSmagic wrote:
Hi Guys,

There is a TON of stuff on the new QB2 DVD. More than one might even imagine. I hope you can all get something from it, as I know there is more than enough material for just one person to use.
Yes, I know it was slow at coming to fruition. Again, I apologize about the slow process, and the delay. I hope it was worth the wait. However, I did hold up to my promise and produce, cover the cost of, and ship world wide this DVD for FREE to all those who have purchased and returned thier registration cards. I have received tons of email of support. I'd like to say thanks to all of you who have written to me, and also thanks for all of your comments about seeing it on the David Blaine TV special. It was a great experience.
Happy bending.

Magically,
John

PS -The QB2 DVDs are now included with any new purchases of the QB2.
Message: Posted by: giobbi1 (Oct 15, 2008 9:20am)
John, since I was one of the harshest critics, I too want to say thanks for following through with the DVD. I got mine yesterday, but haven't had a chance to watch it yet, but am very excited about finally getting the use and reactions that I have anticipated getting. Thanks again.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Oct 15, 2008 10:08pm)
Watching the debate tonight like lots of Americans.

Is it just me but was McCain bending coins the entire time?????


I may be delirious but it surely looked like he was marking them before he bent them. I wanted to jump through the TV and tell him that he was suppose to let Obaman mark the coins and not do it himself.

Everyone jumping on the bandwagon John. Please send McCain a DVD.
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Oct 16, 2008 11:19pm)
Did anyone see David Blaine perform the Quantum Bender 2.0 on his last special? He did a great job imo!!
Message: Posted by: Sammy J. (Oct 17, 2008 12:02am)
Quote:

On 2008-10-16 23:19, lunatik wrote:
Did anyone see David Blaine perform the Quantum Bender 2.0 on his last special? He did a great job imo!!


I agree. His routine and bend was nice. Watching John do it is like watching Superman bend steel in his bare hands!
Message: Posted by: Dan McLean (Oct 17, 2008 1:52am)
Perhaps a little more detail on The QB2 DVD is needed.

John says there's tons of material on it. I disagree. I think there's a butt load. I'm pretty sure a butt load is more than a ton.

Some of these sections are self explanatory. You get Testimonials, Live in Las Vegas (John does QB2 for real people), Introduction, Breaking in The QB. 2.0, Mechanics (Quite a bit there), Revelations (How to reveal the bend. A lot of them!), J.T.S Explanation (John walks you through his personal routine.)

Contributions is worth a separate paragraph. This part is 20 minutes of gold. Something for everyone. Contributors include Roderick Russell, Marty McDowell, Scott Bays, Jerome Finley, Nathan Kranzo, Gabe Abelson, Tim Andrews, Dr. Spektor, Robert D. LaRue Jr and Alain Nu. Not too shabby a lineup. What jumped out for me during my first viewing was Jerome Finley's inexhaustable imagination, Gabe Abelson's misdirection for the bend - possibly the cleverest I've see so far - and Dr Spektor's presentation for platform. All of them are worth serious attention.

And there's also Care & Maintenance (Everything you need to know in detail on how touch up your QB2), Final Thoughts, Trailer and Credits.

Like I said, a butt load of material. When I bought QB2 I was unaware that a DVD was in the works. So for me, this was a quite a bonus. Thanks John. I'm sure all will feel it was worth the wait.
Message: Posted by: Exitmat (Oct 19, 2008 3:44pm)
After debating for years on whether I should lay down the money for the QB2 I finally gave in. I got my QB2 three days ago (got here in just two days!) and I absolutely adore the thing. I'm still working on my handling, but I can tell already this thing is a real worker. Very well made gimmick that should last a very, very long time. Excellent craftsmanship.

The DVD is also an excellent teaching tool. John goes over everything you'd want to know about the QB2 and more. He gives real world performances as well as several handlings and revelation ideas. There's even a section on care and maintenance.

I also just want to say that John Sheets has excellent customer service. I exchanged several emails with him concerning my QB2 and he always responded quickly, and was as helpful as possible.

So after a year+ of considering the QB2, my only regret now is that I took so long to get it. I absolutely adore this thing and will never go to a performance without it.
Message: Posted by: bond19 (Oct 22, 2008 1:34pm)
Just finished watching the Quantum Bender DVD and all I can say is WOW.. it was worth the wait.

John has crammed the DVD with lots of useful information on how to use the QB from breaking the devise in, care & maintenance, ideas & routines for presenting the coin bend, various ways to reveal the bent coin, different ways to bend the coin (and this really goes into great detail, including John's preferred method).

Basically John has provided a great wealth of information regarding all aspects of the Quantum Bender. Once you have watched the DVD you will have no problems on how to use BEST COIN BENDER currently on the market

Well done John for a fantastic product in the Quantum Bender and for a valuable in depth support DVD
Message: Posted by: pwolverine (Oct 23, 2008 6:44pm)
Can anyone tell me if they have used the QB2 with Australian Coins? Which ones work etc? I have a Superman gimmick, however I found that because the coins are stronger the mouth of the gimmick has bent slowly and now the coins slip out and don't bend that well. Will this sort of problem happen with the QB2? Its not hte sort of thing Iw ant to shell out money for only to find it deteriorates in some way. :)
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (Nov 13, 2008 11:18pm)
Hi Guys,

I just wanted to say thanks for all of the positive feedback on the QB2 and the QB2 DVD. I appreciate it. :)
Message: Posted by: Branden Darcel (Nov 16, 2008 2:41pm)
I should have done a search before posting my own review. Oops!

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=284628&forum=3
Message: Posted by: Branden Darcel (Nov 18, 2008 1:40am)
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=284628&forum=109
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 30, 2008 4:02pm)
Also:

http://www.QB2isfantastic!.com
Message: Posted by: gaffed (Dec 17, 2008 8:02pm)
Had the Q.B.2 for about a week now.
Great device to say the least.
Has anyone else noticed that there can be a bit of a problem when using an old worn down quarter? It happened to me several times. When I made the bend I heard a snap! The first time it happened I thought I had broke the freaking thing!

I then realized that after this happened several times that it was always when an older coin was used. It seems as though they are smoother and somehow do not properly grab, as it were, on the Q.B.2. Has anyone else noticed this?

~gaffed~
Message: Posted by: Eric Samuels (Dec 17, 2008 8:33pm)
Definitely! Scared the living **** out of me the first time the 'snap!' happened. Also alerted the spec, who looked directly at my hand; It's happened twice, but I'm not sure it was because of the age of the quarter, rather the position of the coin.
Message: Posted by: Steve Suss (Dec 18, 2008 10:37am)
I've only had it happen during practice when I first bought it over a year ago. I believe Eric is right and it is the position of the coin. PM me and I'll tell you how I position it.

Steve
Message: Posted by: gaffed (Dec 18, 2008 11:27am)
Thanks....
Someone else PM'ed me on this and said it was the position of the coin.
I never really paid much attention to that factor and more than likely that is the cause.

I've done it four or five times now and it does indeed get one hell of a reaction!
I had to routine it for myself and an idea I got from Gabe Abelson's handling. I have a wee bit of arthritis in my hand and I can't quite make the bend that easily. I find the need to use a different hand position to do it easily which is a bit harder to hide. So, I have a routine where I actually do the bend right in front of their faces and quite close up! I then keep the Q.B.2 out and use it as a demonstration as it being a fork or a spoon in relation to Uri Geller. It's so blatant that it takes all the heat off of it! I then casually place it back in my pocket as the bend has been made and then fry their brains! It still amazes me what you can get away with at times if you have the nerve to do it! Believe me, it's not that I have a lot of nerve but this was simply done out of necessity and when I do it I still can't believe that I'm getting away with it!

~gaffed~
Message: Posted by: Douglas Lippert (Dec 18, 2008 4:17pm)
Quote:

On 2008-12-18 11:27, gaffed wrote:
Thanks....
Someone else PM'ed me on this and said it was the position of the coin.
I never really paid much attention to that factor and more than likely that is the cause.

I've done it four or five times now and it does indeed get one hell of a reaction!
I had to routine it for myself and an idea I got from Gabe Abelson's handling. I have a wee bit of arthritis in my hand and I can't quite make the bend that easily. I find the need to use a different hand position to do it easily which is a bit harder to hide. So, I have a routine where I actually do the bend right in front of their faces and quite close up! I then keep the Q.B.2 out and use it as a demonstration as it being a fork or a spoon in relation to Uri Geller. It's so blatant that it takes all the heat off of it! I then casually place it back in my pocket as the bend has been made and then fry their brains! It still amazes me what you can get away with at times if you have the nerve to do it! Believe me, it's not that I have a lot of nerve but this was simply done out of necessity and when I do it I still can't believe that I'm getting away with it!

~gaffed~


Are you saying you grip the t** p**ces to make the Sharpie appear to be "melting?"

LOL, steel marbles eh?
Message: Posted by: gaffed (Dec 18, 2008 6:24pm)
Quote:


Are you saying you grip the t** p**ces to make the Sharpie appear to be "melting?"

LOL, steel marbles eh?


No, sorry but I can see the misunderstanding!
I simply have a few quarters on the table when I do this. I then ask the spec. if they think they could possibly bend a quarter and I demonstrate this action by holding up both of my hands and make a bending gesture. They never realize or perhaps I should say, pay attention to the fact that I have the QB in my hands as its covered by them and I'm actually bending the quarter when I do the gesture! So, I'm actually bending the quarter right in their faces!

But, seeing that I have the QB still out I then use it by holding it with my fingertips (hiding the working part of course) and ask if they have ever heard of or seen Uri Geller. I then again openly (or, so it seems) hold the OB right in their faces and tell them about how well known he was for being able to bend spoons and forks by just rubbing his fingers on it but I don't do anything at all with the QB. I then get a bit of a laugh when I say: "Well, I don't do that". I then simply place it back in my pocket and then say; "However, I can at times do this". I then do the slow bend at my fingertips of the quarter into their hand. So, in essence I'm blatantly holding the QB quite openly very close to their faces and actually doing the dirty work as they watch me do it! It simply passes right by them!

The reason I keep the QB out for the Uri Geller question is that they can in no way backtrack any dirty work as to the pen as I'm so open with it and doing everything right in front of there very eyes that any suspicion is eliminated from the pen. Its almost akin to palming a card while the person holds the deck of cards. Its so blatant that it simply flies right over their heads!
As the old saying goes; "Necessity is the mother of all inventions"! I'm simply doing this out of necessity and not steel marbles! :lol:

~gaffed~ ;)
Message: Posted by: Douglas Lippert (Jan 2, 2009 2:32am)
Still contemplating on getting this. Can any of the owners give me some encouragement? I'd have to give up a lot of beer to buy this. lol.
Message: Posted by: Neznarf (Jan 2, 2009 12:35pm)
Just do a search on the Café and you'll read tons of positive feedback.
Message: Posted by: Douglas Lippert (Jan 2, 2009 4:19pm)
Thanks for the tip. I have already read all the threads on Quantum Bender. Just not convinced it's worth that much YET. I don't buy into the pricing of an item high to keep it exclusive.

Take care,

Doug L.
Message: Posted by: Eddie Garland (Jan 2, 2009 4:37pm)
Take the leap Doug,
To so easily bend a spectators signed coin...it is worth much more. It is a well made gimmick you will rarely not carry with you.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jan 2, 2009 7:59pm)
I thought it wasn't all that good when Nathan Kranzo showed it at one of his lectures but then again, he didn't actually perform it. Seeing the demo video that is available for the QB 2.0 however made me realize how powerful this method for the coin bend is. Absolutely no heat and you can't get any clearer with your audience that it is indeed THEIR coin. There's other devices that cost about the same as the QB 2.0 (Porper's version and R. Paul Wilson's) but the gaffs that they use is not as invisible as the QB 2.0. This one is definitely a worker and priced at what it's priced at because of it being a true workhorse. Casual performers/hobbyists shouldn't really pick it up because it makes no financial sense but for the workers, QB 2.0 is more or less the Holy Grail thus for as it pertains to the coin bend.
Message: Posted by: Douglas Lippert (Jan 2, 2009 11:51pm)
[quote]
On 2009-01-02 19:59, kissdadookie wrote:
Absolutely no heat and you can't get any clearer with your audience that it is indeed THEIR coin.
[/quote]

All the commercial methods out there have a degree of heat because there is no such thing as a signed, no gimmick coin bend. Therefore at some point you have to put both hands together to put a bend in the coin and that is where the heat is.

I usually don't quibble over prices but $200 would of been more than reasonable for the gimmicked Sharpie and a dvd. $500+ is outrageous.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jan 3, 2009 12:08am)
See Doug, this is where you don't understand the beauty of the QB 2.0, yes you are blatantly and openly bending the coin but guess what, even though it's right there in the open, in the context of what you are doing without introducing anything else into the equation (you started with a Sharpie and THEIR coin, they took your Sharpie and signed their coin, you take Sharpie back, then coin, then you bend the coin, and in your hands is still just the coin and the Sharpie, NO HEAT. There's not a single moment where there's heat on ANYTHING. By the time there is heat it's because the coin is already bent, hope that makes sense). I can understand how one will see the move done in the demo video but you have to watch the demo and understand it from the context of at that moment, with the spectators, and in the context of the effect then and there.

You really have no idea why it's priced at $500 and why even at $500 it's not outrageous. This is a good thing because honestly, it's a crazy price but it's crazy pretty much for people who are not rich and for which magic is not 24/7 for them (basically being both their hobby as well as most probably part or all of their livelihood). It's really not meant for those folks because this is really something you can make your money back with very quickly (even though "reputation maker" sounds like a tagline, as it applies to QB 2.0 it's actually true because the nature of having a coin bend, it is extremely strong and this is the best method on the market for bending the coin). It's truly an investment for workers and/or a very very very special treat for those who wants the absolute cleanest coin bend. Let me say this again, THERE'S NO HEAT.

Anyways, long story short, if you don't find value in it, don't buy it (kind of common sense but we all know that it's not too common).
Message: Posted by: Douglas Lippert (Jan 3, 2009 12:18am)
Do you own one?
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jan 3, 2009 12:26am)
Two of my friends own it for a few months already, one is a worker and the other one is a really good magician. The worker does it I believe every night at his table-hopping gig and my other friend performs it whenever he goes out, so let's just say that this is truly an item that gets used ALL THE TIME. Only people who ever notice the move are other magicians and the reason is that they are in the know, so if you want to use the QB to fool fellow magicians, you should find something else to do. I'm trying to figure out if I want to pick that up first or the PH DVD set first. :)
Message: Posted by: Douglas Lippert (Jan 3, 2009 12:31am)
Quote:

On 2009-01-03 00:08, kissdadookie wrote:

You really have no idea why it's priced at $500 and why even at $500 it's not outrageous.


You have just as much of an idea as I do. Neither of us actually own it.

I pre-ordered True Astonishments from Jason Messina. $300 for 9 dvds is a lot of value for my money. Also bought Triple Threat from Todd Lassen.
Message: Posted by: Max Krause (Jan 3, 2009 12:34am)
Quote:

On 2009-01-02 02:32, DVLKCC wrote:
Still contemplating on getting this. Can any of the owners give me some encouragement? I'd have to give up a lot of beer to buy this. lol.


Then again....

You might drink free from here on out when you perform this:)
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jan 3, 2009 12:37am)
Buddy, I've played with it, I've seen it in use, I realize why it was so strong from watching the demo. I'm saving up for this thing actually, I've been saving up for it. I'm on a whole different page than you are because you still have no idea WHY this is so good. If you didn't read carefully enough in the beginning, I mentioned seeing this first from Nathan Kranzo, it wasn't until seeing the demo video that I realized why it is so strong. The same demo video that had a lot of people going "Hey, I saw that move!" They just don't get it. The demo video probably lost more people's interest than before the demo came out, which is great because those folks shouldn't have wanted to buy it in the first place.

I can GUARANTEE you that the QB 2 will get a HECK OF A LOT more use than the Triple Threat (I had a 3CM when Jamie still made them well, sold them because they are fun to play with but it's not something one really needs, now it's kind of hit or miss with Schoolcraft as I've played with a few of the more recent sets that just aren't made all that well).
Message: Posted by: Eddie Garland (Jan 3, 2009 1:05am)
I own it. I've used it for all ages....plays always the same...amazing. If I lost it I would immediately purchase another.

I believe strongly that the device is potentially a great learning tool in blatant "in your face" misdirection. It is high end equipment no doubt...the design and quality is remarkable. I should have worn it out by now...but nope. It is still perfect.

I use it always seemingly impromptu...it kills.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jan 3, 2009 1:10am)
You forgot that there really is no misdirection with the QB 2 Eddie ;) You are just soooooooooooooo far ahead of them that it is absolutely unfair for their feeble minds in the end.
Message: Posted by: CharlieC (Jan 3, 2009 3:07am)
I've been playing around with the QB2 for about 7 months now. It took me a long time to find a solid presentation, but I'm really happy with it now. It's been a real reputation maker for me. I didn't even realize Jon finally put the DVD out!

Tonight, this lady swore she saw the quarter bend/melt in my fingers. I can't wait to see what is on the DVD.
Message: Posted by: jamesmagic (Jan 3, 2009 7:21am)
Would we all agree this effect is stronger with a borrowed coin? If so, how do you deal with the fact that you're ruining a stranger's hard earned change? In this economy I could see this actually being an issue. Obviously you could tell them up front that they won't be getting their coin back or you'll be ruining it. But that seems to take away from the surprise. You could also reimburse each person with a coin. But aside from pennies (seems from the demo, quarters are ideal) that would get expensive, Particularly after parting ways with $500 to get this in the first place.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jan 3, 2009 8:06am)
I've done coin bends for a awhile now (using the prebend method of course) and I always borrow the coin. Even though you've bent their coin they are not offended nor upset with that fact. Not once has a spectator asked for the coin to be bent back for use, when they ask if you can bend the coin back, they literally just want to see if you're able to do that with the coin (basically they want to see the effect again). So you really have no worries there James. Here's a suggestion for those that are interested in the QB 2, go out, learn a coin bend using another method of your choice, perform that for awhile so that you get use to coin bending. If after that you still don't find real value with the QB 2, then it's simply just not for you and you should just move on with your life to bigger and better things.
Message: Posted by: Douglas Lippert (Jan 3, 2009 1:27pm)
[quote]
On 2009-01-03 00:37, kissdadookie wrote:
I can GUARANTEE you that the QB 2 will get a HECK OF A LOT more use than the Triple Threat
[/quote]

Wow, okay. Whatever you say. Just because Quantum Bender 2.0 is more 'impromptu' looking doesn't mean I won't be getting a lot of use out of Triple Threat. On 3CM, you bought a knock off and sold a knock off.

[quote]
On 2009-01-03 00:34, sleightofhand1971 wrote:
Then again....

You might drink free from here on out when you perform this:)
[/quote]

There's something to think about! I also picked up Diamond Jim Tyler's Bamboozlers so I am well on my way! haha.
Message: Posted by: itsmagic (Jan 3, 2009 2:50pm)
Quote:

On 2009-01-03 07:21, jamesmagic wrote:
You could also reimburse each person with a coin. But aside from pennies (seems from the demo, quarters are ideal) that would get expensive, Particularly after parting ways with $500 to get this in the first place.


You can take the bent quarters home and hammer them back to normal, so you'll be out nothing but instead have done some astonishing magic!
Message: Posted by: edh (Jan 3, 2009 8:59pm)
Curious as to what you respond to "O.K. wiseguy, now bend it back!"
Message: Posted by: A.G. (Jan 3, 2009 9:35pm)
"If I bent it back, you wouldn't have a story to tell....at least now you will some proof that this really happened, to you."

Although I have only been asked this a couple of times, it seems to be the perfect answer.. In both cases, they were not challenging me, they just wanted to see what I was going to say. It becomes their story and experience, not yours.



I think QB is a fantastic tool, and If you want to do a real time bend, this is the best there is.

Of course if you are not comfortable using a real time bend, "Psyche" is very strong, and so easy to do.

I have been told that many people that have QB2 still in fact use some of the routine and ideas that "Psyche" offers.


The more tools you have all the better.

all the Best,
Andrew Gerard
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jan 4, 2009 12:33am)
As to edh's comment about "Hey wiseguy, bend it back," firstly I have yet encountered anybody with such a smart alec tone asking for the coin to be bent back, so thank goodness for that. Secondly, I will be honest and tell you that I don't have a solution for that, I would just move on to the next effect. Luckily the effect is so strong that it doesn't really matter because they still want to keep that coin in the end, they will show it off to others, and if you meet that person again days, weeks, months, or years later, they will remember you as the person who had mentally bent their coin. This is how strong the coin bend plot is.
Message: Posted by: Steve Suss (Jan 4, 2009 10:46am)
I've been doing magic/mentalism for over 40 years and have thousands of dollars worth of items I do not use. It is rear to purchase something that instantly becomes part of my repetoir. The QB2 is now the item I usually use to close my seemingly impromptu performances and it is one of my most talked about items. I also use it as a prelude to my parlor metal bending routine.

I value an effect by how strong and entertaining it is and how often I will use it. Here is an extremely powerfull effect that can be performed stand up, surrounded and under virtually all conditions. It is done with a borrowed object without preparation and leaves the spectator with a memory of the moment. What more could you ask? If I figure the cost per performance this item is actually very inexpensive. I use it all the time.

My only caveat is that this is not for everyone and should be used by experienced performers. In the wrong hands this effect becomes a "trick" rather than a truly incredible experience.

Steve
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jan 4, 2009 11:35am)
I absolutely agree with Steve Suss. The QB 2 is one of those rare magical items which is as close to perfection for its intended use and effect. The brilliance of it is lost when used by the less experienced performers out there because after all, this is a means to an end for the coin bend but if you do not perform the coin bend already (and regularly) then its nuance and value is lost. A easy example would be if one was to give another a set of the best coin gaffs available but the person receiving the gaffs has very little to no experience with coin magic, all those gaffs are basically wasted.
Message: Posted by: gaffed (Jan 4, 2009 2:21pm)
In all of the times I've used Q.B.2 I've always received the good 'ol "WTF" reaction!
Its in my jacket pocket all the time ready to go. The only thing that scares the living hell out of me is the fear of losing it! I'm constantly checking my pocket to make sure it's still there! I feels as though I'm casually walking around with a 10 karat diamond loosely in my pocket! lol
Yes, it's expensive but the reactions are well worth it and it looks as though it will last a lifetime. If you don't lose it that is! ;)

~gaffed~
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jan 13, 2009 2:07pm)
Quote:

On 2009-01-03 14:50, itsmagic wrote:
Quote:

On 2009-01-03 07:21, jamesmagic wrote:
You could also reimburse each person with a coin. But aside from pennies (seems from the demo, quarters are ideal) that would get expensive, Particularly after parting ways with $500 to get this in the first place.


You can take the bent quarters home and hammer them back to normal, so you'll be out nothing but instead have done some astonishing magic!


Yuppers, you certainly can. They work fine in vending machine afterwards.

QB2 rules the day.

Candin
www.MagicSA.com
Message: Posted by: itsmagic (Jan 13, 2009 10:22pm)
This effect is so much fun to perform. It truly is a nice piece of impromptu magic with someone's borrowed coin. They are left with a remarkable magical souvenir.
Message: Posted by: targetintellect (Jan 18, 2009 7:12pm)
Quote:

On 2009-01-03 20:59, edh wrote:
Curious as to what you respond to "O.K. wiseguy, now bend it back!"


I use QB2 on a regular basis tablehopping at my restaurant gig. Yes, you do get asked "can you bend it back?" More often you hear "boy, I can't use this in a vending (or slot) machine". I think both these comments, blurted out too early can diminish that moment of awe by placing all the attention on the "clever" person saying it.

In my patter I beat them to the punch: "You bent the coin. I used to bend it back, but then nobody would believe the person that it happened; so don't use it in a vending machine, but do keep it always as your lucky coin and proof that YOU did something amazing."

For those of you who do fraud, this line, with a bit of modification, works well to keep the focus on the amazing effect that just happened.

I hope this helps.

- Frank
Message: Posted by: gaffed (Jan 21, 2009 11:37pm)
Quote:
On 2009-01-03 20:59, edh wrote:
Curious as to what you respond to "O.K. wiseguy, now bend it back!"


I also get that quite a bit along with "Fraud".
Depending upon the crowd I simply wink and say; "I only go one way!" It usually gets a laugh and then I simply move on. There are some tricks where something is done that one would then think it can be reversed and they state so. Just think ahead and think of some clever response for those situations. Sometimes just a simple response as; "I'm surprised I even was able to do that so I'm not going to push it!" will suffice or something on that order will do fine. Be creative and anticipate those situations. I always offer another quarter or dollar (Fraud) but most refuse and simply keep it to show others.

~gaffed~
Message: Posted by: Douglas Lippert (Jan 22, 2009 8:39pm)
[quote]
On 2009-01-18 19:12, targetintellect wrote:
Quote:

On 2009-01-03 20:59, edh wrote:
Curious as to what you respond to "O.K. wiseguy, now bend it back!"


Perhaps we should work on a method to bend it back...instead of copping out?
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jan 22, 2009 10:58pm)
It's not copping out. If you do coin bends regularly you would understand that people who ask you to bend it back usually just wants to catch you doing something sneaky. Go and learn a coin bend that you are comfortable with and perform it regularly Doug, or else you won't understand what the strength and weaknesses of coin bend routines are (unless you're doing a really bad or a really mediocre coin bend routine, obviously those are not all that great). Learn one, perform it regularly for awhile, then come back and give you opinion on the coin bend plot.

Another thing to keep in mind, it's better to learn one that you will be comfortable with and try different presentations for it, try it as if you were performing a magic trick, note the reactions, then try it with a more esoteric/mentalism approach and not the reactions with that approach. Also keep in mind when you try the esoteric/mentalism approach, don't undermine it by doing your standard magic tricks before it, it absolutely destroys the flow and will negatively impact the coin bend. Also don't perform it for friends, perform for people who you don't really know that well (this applies pretty much for the esoteric/mentalism approach).

You'll also notice that the esoteric/mentalism approach will be the path of least resistance for your audience (when performed and framed properly before you even go into it), in other words, they will more or less NOT ask to see you bend it back. When folks ask to bend it back, it happens almost always when the coin bend is presented as a magic trick.

Go check out some mentalist shows, unless the show is REALLY bad, you'll see that the audience pretty much believes what's going on is real and will usually not give the performer a hard time.

Again, this is all knowledge that one would acquire by performing regularly and not just for friends and family. It's called experience and it can be gained regardless if you're a worker or have a non-magic day job. I'm just hanging on the edge of my seat before Mr. ?????? gets this QB 2.0 thread removed as well ;) Ha ha ha. J/k.
Message: Posted by: gaffed (Jan 23, 2009 12:22am)
There is a saying from the bible, if I'm not mistaken, that a prophet is never accepted by his own people. This also holds true when performing magic for friends.
They of course feel more familiar with you and feel free to push the envelope as it were and 'question' what you just did which normally does not occur when performing for strangers.

I always perform for my friends as I'm always asked to do so but it does indeed at times have some draw backs. Most just love to sit back and enjoy but there are the occasional ones who question, push, etc. simply because of their familiarity with you and in some ways feel they have the right to do so. They at times can be your hardest audience and in some ways this is good practice.

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DVLKCC wrote: Perhaps we should work on a method to bend it back...instead of copping out?


Copping out! Wow....ya really lost me there on that one! Where is the cop out? You just did something that for all practical reasons is impossible! Then again, that is what all magic entails. Does that mean that if a spectator's chosen and signed card is found to be folded up in your shoe that you should then be able to "unfold" it and make it reappear back in the deck with no creases in it? Does that mean that a magician should be able to reverse every trick he or she performs and is not able to do so that it is simply a cop out?! If that were the case I think we would all have to pack up our bag of collective goodies and not bother with magic anymore! Copping out??!!!

~gaffed~
Message: Posted by: Douglas Lippert (Jan 23, 2009 2:22am)
The comment was more of a joke really. It would be cool to 'melt' a quarter back into its original shape though.
Message: Posted by: gaffed (Jan 23, 2009 9:58am)
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On 2009-01-23 02:22, DVLKCC wrote:
The comment was more of a joke really. It would be cool to 'melt' a quarter back into its original shape though.


Certainly can't deny that but I seriously doubt that will ever come about. Then again, when it comes to magic never say never!

~gaffed~ ;)
Message: Posted by: mandarin (Jan 23, 2009 10:48am)
I use Coinvexed (saving up for QB2) and like to mix it up with a few pre-worked coins and a B*b* Sw****, just so I can occasionally "unbend" the coin...
Message: Posted by: gaffed (Jan 23, 2009 11:12pm)
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On 2009-01-23 10:48, mandarin wrote:
I use Coinvexed (saving up for QB2) and like to mix it up with a few pre-worked coins and a B*b* Sw****, just so I can occasionally "unbend" the coin...


Sounds good but once you can bend a signed quarter you'll never be satisfied with anything less. Admittedly the Q.B.2 is insanely expensive but I now never leave home without it. It's always nice to have on hand for some impromptu magic!

~gaffed~
Message: Posted by: Derek Dean (Jan 24, 2009 1:21am)
Wow, I haven't visited this thread in a while. There are some very powerful ideas being discussed here. Thanks to all of you for sharing your valuable insights into the mechanics of your performance as well as your thinking behind the presentation.

I've learned a LOT!
Message: Posted by: gaffed (Jan 24, 2009 11:14pm)
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On 2009-01-18 19:12, targetintellect wrote:

I use QB2 on a regular basis tablehopping at my restaurant gig. Yes, you do get asked "can you bend it back?" More often you hear "boy, I can't use this in a vending (or slot) machine". I think both these comments, blurted out too early can diminish that moment of awe by placing all the attention on the "clever" person saying it.

In my patter I beat them to the punch: "You bent the coin. I used to bend it back, but then nobody would believe the person that it happened; so don't use it in a vending machine, but do keep it always as your lucky coin and proof that YOU did something amazing."



I would assume then that you are “supposedly” having the coin bend in the spectator’s hand. I personally don’t care for that handling. The simple is reason is this. The spectator knows that they cannot bend a coin or, have the “powers” to do so but they might (hopefully) have the thought that you can. After all, you’re the magician and not them!

I use the Uri Geller idea suggested by Gabe albeit I handle it a bit differently. I bend the coin while they are actually watching me do it but they never notice it! To me, having the (already bent coin) in your thumb and fingertip held tightly and then slowly start wiggling it the coin does indeed look like it’s becoming very pliable and bending before its dropped in the spectators hand. Not only are you (the magician) bending the coin but its very visual.

Then again it’s all a matter of personal choice or preference as to how you wish to handle this little miracle.

~gaffed~
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jan 25, 2009 3:20am)