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Topic: Tim Trono's "Branded" - The Painless Card Blister
Message: Posted by: Review King (May 14, 2008 10:08PM)
There is a [b]Branded[/b] website with information and handlings:
http://www.brandedmagic.com
Message: Posted by: ixnay66 (May 14, 2008 11:32PM)
This sounds awesome. Tim is going to sell a ton of these, and with good reason.
Message: Posted by: Douglas Lippert (May 15, 2008 12:43AM)
Will wait for the review. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: taller8 (May 15, 2008 10:14AM)
I'm waiting for mine also.

I think Branded is going to fall under the "must have" category for any one seeking one of those 'open mouth' type of responses. :)

Not that I really like looking into an open mouth, but I'll make an exception is this case.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (May 15, 2008 11:24AM)
Thanks for the support guys. I was just advised that the replicator had a slight shipping delay and sent them out today as opposed to earlier. Thus they will be at Murphy's on Monday and out to your favorite dealer immediately after that. Sorry for the slight delay.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Review King (May 15, 2008 11:30PM)
Tim, thanks for updating us on the availability.

I can't think of a better place to get this from than The Blacks Magic Group ( anyone seen the new webiste? One of the best I've seen in and outside of magic ).

http://www.blacksmagicgroup.com/cart/product.php?productid=154 has a video demo up. I've done blister effects. Audiences are knocked out by them. BRANDED is going to be THE EFFECT everyone carries.
Message: Posted by: magicninja99 (May 16, 2008 09:07AM)
Just preordered from MJM. Can't wait till it gets here :)
Message: Posted by: fooksau (May 16, 2008 08:08PM)
Is this the same Greg Wilson that did card stunts and Hundy 500?
Message: Posted by: Review King (May 16, 2008 08:09PM)
It is the same Greg.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (May 19, 2008 04:24PM)
Branded arrived at Murphy's today so will be available at your favorite dealer any day. Enjoy and e-mail me privately with ideas, questions, etc.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Domino Magic (May 19, 2008 04:49PM)
This sounds like it's going to be one of the top effects of 2008. You know it's going to get a workout by a lot of us over the next few weeks. Looking forward to this!
Message: Posted by: magicbyswh (May 19, 2008 07:32PM)
Blacks magic has a GREAT deal on Branded, Cigapen and How to make flash paper all 3 DVD's for 45.00 with free shipping and this is limited to the first 50 orders. I placed my order and you better hurry before this offer ends. Great offer!
http://www.blacksmagicgroup.com/cart/product.php?productid=156
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (May 19, 2008 08:30PM)
Any future plans to have it workable with a zippo?
Message: Posted by: dandan_01 (May 20, 2008 04:16AM)
Seems like a GREAT effect, which I am so awfully tempted to get. I'm still waivering between getting it or not though, and getting more tempted to get it like right now!! :P
Message: Posted by: lunatik (May 20, 2008 06:29AM)
I received this yesterday and have to say it's great! the gimmicks are very well made and sturdy. the designs are nice as well. the dvd is VERY thorough with Gregory Wilson going over just about every nuance you can imagine. He leaves very few unturned stones. there are 3 main blisters and 1 generic blister. the idea for the generic blister that Gregory has is great! You'll carry this everywhere you go guaranteed! So having Branded, Extreme Burn, Digital Dissolve, and Quantum Bender 2 in my pockets, I'm ready to go!! Get this, get this, get this, get this!!! Oh yeah, don't forget to get this!!
Message: Posted by: Jessiah (May 20, 2008 03:12PM)
YOUR RIGHT! This is a REALLY good offer... don't miss this guys. The Cigapen DVD isn't even out yet!


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On 2008-05-19 19:32, magicbyswh wrote:
Blacks magic has a GREAT deal on Branded, Cigapen and How to make flash paper all 3 DVD's for 45.00 with free shipping and this is limited to the first 50 orders. I placed my order and you better hurry before this offer ends. Great offer!
http://www.blacksmagicgroup.com/cart/product.php?productid=156
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: tleong (May 20, 2008 05:11PM)
Hi Tim Trono, I am Vincent here from Malaysia. I need to ask you a question regarding the gimmick. Stated that the gimmicks are for BOTH regular and mini Bic Lighters. Does this gimmicks works on any other lighter? As we do not have Bic Lighter in Malaysia. I do not want to ended up buying this product and couldn't use it here.
Maybe someone who already purchase this item would like to share their opinion as well. THanks so much.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (May 20, 2008 05:41PM)
Hi Vincent. It is specifically designed for Bic lighters since they are so common. If you search on line you should be able to purchase normal Bic lighters through the Internet.

Tim
Message: Posted by: indomagic (May 21, 2008 02:45AM)
Hi Tim

Does it mean I should have a normal Bic lighter to perform this ?.
Or just for SxxxxH purpose .
Message: Posted by: Josho (May 21, 2008 11:05AM)
Gotta say I like what Tillar says in the first chapter of "The Blister Book", page 15:

"Second, who in the world ever saw a blister in the shape of a heart or spade?!!!!? It is totally illogical and, worse, it leads ANY logical thinker to solving this jerk-water puzzle! ***, I hate people who ruin it for the rest of us!"

If Tillar is endorsing "Branded," I'd love to know what's caused him to make a 180-degree turn in his thinking in the relatively short time since "The Blister Book" was published.

--Josh
Message: Posted by: doormouse (May 21, 2008 11:11AM)
I would have to say I agree Josh. I think the method of operandi pretty much stares in the face of the logical thinker.
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (May 21, 2008 11:31AM)
If you really could do Magic, you would to the impossible. I agree, if a Blister just appears in this shape, then fair enough, I agree 100% with Tillar, BUT...if a blister is shown, which then Magically transforms into the shape of a card, then that is a Magical effect which presents logic
Message: Posted by: Review King (May 21, 2008 03:03PM)
[quote]
On 2008-05-21 11:05, Josho wrote:
Gotta say I like what Tillar says in the first chapter of "The Blister Book", page 15:

"Second, who in the world ever saw a blister in the shape of a heart or spade?!!!!? It is totally illogical and, worse, it leads ANY logical thinker to solving this jerk-water puzzle! ***, I hate people who ruin it for the rest of us!"

If Tillar is endorsing "Branded," I'd love to know what's caused him to make a 180-degree turn in his thinking in the relatively short time since "The Blister Book" was published.

--Josh
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Josh I have that book ( GREAT book ) and here's Tim addressing the question you raised ( check out http://www.brandedmagic.com for more info )

"Jack and I discussed Branded at length many times. Originally Jack was not fond of the idea of a card blister. The more we talked the more Jack saw the strength in this effect and decided to endorse Branded as noted in his wonderful “Blister Book”. What really put Jack over the edge was when we added the idea of the regular round blister morphing the card blister. This is the first time this had been done. The morph really sells this".

_____________________________________________

Two things have me excited about Branded ( no, I don't have it yet ).

1) No more going to the pocket to do the work
2) The blister morphing. This is what will sell this and make it a miracle and create that "moment of astonishment" as Paul Harris says about magic.

Actual performance is the final test for any effect and I'm looking forward to routining this and seeing the results. I've done blister effects and they are powerful, so I kind of see how this is going to play ( hence my excitement before trying it ).
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (May 21, 2008 03:33PM)
Hi Josh. Great question. It's probably best for me to try to get an explanation from Jack to post as Jack is quite eloquent and can probably explain it better than I can. But I'll try... basically from the time Jack initially wrote The Blister Book, he had started to hear from many well known, big name mentalists that he respected that they USED the card blister effect and that they killed with it. Although "logically" Jack's concerns make absolute sense the "reality" is that the effect just kills. People really don't make out the method from the effect. If you "use" any of the various card blister effects (Branded, Third Degree Burn, Pyro Perception, etc.) you will know this. Jack had never tried the card blister effect but "assumed" it was just too much to believe. After talking with a number of people who used this effect and who's opinions he respected, Jack started to see that his assumption might not fit with the reality of the situation and he conceded this. What really put Jack over the edge though was when he heard the idea with Branded where the blister MORPHS to the card blister. I just can't emphasize enough how much more believable this makes it. Although I USED Pyro Perception, Third Degree Burn, etc. and can vouch for the strong reaction they get, I do agree with Jack that it is "pushing it" in the spectator's mind that they "buy" the idea that you created a blister AND it was in the shape of the card number/pip. With Branded you initially create what appears to be a regular round blister that people can relate to as most have had or have seen a round blister. Then when it MORPHS they can just buy into MUCH more. So you are taking an already strong trick and making it more believable (this along with the "bubble fonts" we used so that it is not nice perfect lines in the numbers/pips). When Jack heard about the morph he was ecstatic ... he felt we had taken an effect many many had told him was very strong and now made it "believable" by the morphing aspect. This eliminated Jack's concerns and he actually endorsed and recommends Branded as noted in the ad copy quote he gave and in the second edition of his great Blister Book. Hope that helps.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (May 21, 2008 03:35PM)
Chris, yours shipped today. Enjoy.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Canadian Guy (May 21, 2008 05:49PM)
I hear the magic Apple has quite a few of them

GREAT PRODUCT! Brilliant idea
Message: Posted by: baobow (May 21, 2008 08:01PM)
Just curious, what would be the primary difference "in effect" from Pyro Perception. That effect was released to the market 4-5 years back. Got a rave review from Michael Close when he was a Magic Magazine reviewer.

http://www.mjmmagic.com/store/pyro-perceptionbrent-walske-pri-9.html?reviews_id=8

Thanks

Regards

Baobow
Message: Posted by: jprace (May 21, 2008 08:50PM)
Here is something I made in my free time:

[url=http://imageshack.us][img]http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3389/brandedtq8.gif[/img][/url]
Message: Posted by: Review King (May 22, 2008 12:06AM)
[quote]
On 2008-05-21 20:01, baobow wrote:
Just curious, what would be the primary difference "in effect" from Pyro Perception. That effect was released to the market 4-5 years back. Got a rave review from Michael Close when he was a Magic Magazine reviewer.

http://www.mjmmagic.com/store/pyro-perceptionbrent-walske-pri-9.html?reviews_id=8

Thanks

Regards

Baobow
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Baobow, I've been reading about this since it was announced and here's some history: Brent Walske came out with Pyro Perception but didn't credit Jack Tillar ( creator of the blister effect ) or Eric Mason who created a card blister effect in the 1980's. Branded gives full credits ( and has been given permission and blessing of Jack Tillar ).

Branded is an advancement in the card blister plot. It uses a different gimmick ( and now you don't have to go to your pocket to cerate the blister ) and the blister morphing into the chosen card makes it a different effect.

There's allot more to read here on the Café about the history of the effect this and will answer more of your questions:

[url=http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=255189&forum=218&121&start=60]Magic Café Branded[/url]
Message: Posted by: Ben Harris (May 22, 2008 12:42AM)
Hey magicman4646

That's my freakin hand! Cool dude!

Ben Harris
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (May 22, 2008 02:13AM)
Hi Baobow. Good question. Chris really answered most of it but I'll pass along a few thoughts. Basically it's similar in effect but in my biased opinion better in method and improved in effect as noted below.

Pyro Perception is very good. The idea of the card blister effect goes back to Eric Mason some 16 years prior to the release of Pyro Perception. I used to USE Pyro Perception and recommended it often. If price point is the main concern for someone, Pyro Perception is less expensive than Branded. However, Branded basically has what I consider a few BIG BIG advantages and takes this wonderful effect to a new level if you really USE it for people:

1) Branded allows you to do the dirty work in the open with just no suspicion. This is important. I think with the other card blister effects you have to either fish around in your pocket and/or do some "thinking" (what shape goes with what, where things are, etc.). In one of my other posts, I discuss a point that Tommy Wonder had made on his old lecture video. He advised he tried to structure his magic so he didn't have to think about it. He felt that if you have to THINK about the method it becomes less magical to your spectators. I'd agree. With Branded there is no pocket work - it's done right in front of them. I can assure you this is just more comforting to you as the performer. You really don't have to think about it and thus I think it creates a stronger piece of magic. I believe some of the other card blister effects happen at the wrong time. Do they fly? Certainly - but it's not about what works - it's maximizing the strength of an effect by pushing it beyond what "works'.

2) As stated in other posts it is asking a bit much of the spectator to believe you created a blister AND it is in the shape of a card pip/number. This is just not something people have seen so it's hard for them to relate. However, with Branded you first start with an ordinary round blister to help establish the idea and then that MORPHS or transforms into the card blister. This is just easier for the spectator to swallow - just a bit more plausible.

3) The other card blister devices create very "perfect" numbers/pips - it was taking a plot that was stretching the believability factor as noted in point number 2 and pushing that even further... "so you create a blister AND it is in the shape of the card pip/number AND the numbers are perfectly shaped". In Branded, we tried to examine every detail including the size, shape, etc. We decided to use a "bubble" font to make it just a little more believable.

4) I/we tried to really cover everything in the history, teaching, etc. I think one or two of the other card blister effects on the market unfortunately do not teach a lot of the detail, they do not provide the history, they do not get any permission, etc. To me these things are important. We scripted the DVD to give meticulous detail. We have provided a support site dedicated to purchasers so we can pass along updated handlings, ideas, etc. We have included basic downloadable instructions in various languages. We have done a lot of research to provide an accurate history. We have obtained permission by the guy who started the who blister craze Jack Tillar becoming the only commercial release of a blister effect to receive Jack's endorsement and blessing. We have provided a couple of gimmicks for different "needs" as outlined in some of the other posts Chris notes on this forum.

I really stand behind my release. If you are unhappy with it for any reason, please contact me directly via e-mail and I will be happy to ensure you taken care of in the end. I am VERY confident in my product, what it has to offer, the value you get, and the strength of the effect it achieves.

I hope that answers your question. If not, please feel free to e-mail me more specifics and I will be happy to try to answer any concerns or questions. There are a LOT of things you can spend your hard earned money on in the magic field. Thus, I want to absolutely ensure everyone who purchases Branded gets maximum value and is happy with it.

Thanks.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Joshua Barrett (May 22, 2008 08:48AM)
Good stuff tim. I coax my fiancee into buying this for me for my birthday
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (May 22, 2008 11:45AM)
Thanks Joshua. If you have ANY concerns, problems, etc. just e-mail me as I stand behind this completely. I am sure you will be happy with it and will USE it.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Wizard of Oz (May 22, 2008 04:21PM)
Just picked this up yesterday from my buddy Buck at our local Cleveland shop, Illusions. I love it!!! It's everything that Mr. Trono describes and more. The organic look that the blisters have reinforce the impact of the trick since they aren't a perfect typeface. Why oh why can't more creators put this much thought and research into their effects? Plus, the gimmicks (yes, you get two different sizes), are well-made, light weight and durable. I haven't watched the DVD yet but plan to tonight. If it's as good as the hardware is, I'm sure I won't be disappointed.
Message: Posted by: Dan McLean (May 22, 2008 04:27PM)
There's something I'd like to see discussion on.
Branded is not, in my opinion, a trick for rank beginners. I say this because while it doesn't tax a performer's dexterity, it does make tough demands on their presentation skills.
To me Branded is similar to Paul Harris's classic Solid Deception in effect. In Solid Deception, the audience discovers at the end of the trick that the deck is solid. But that discovery takes time. Sometimes too much time and those who have done it know what I mean. It's more of a gradual realization than a sudden climax. And if it takes too much time, the impact is lost.
I saw the same problem here while watching Wilson perform. The audience has to look a small part of your fingers. Not a very big area, certainly not something that a crowd can see particularly if the light is bad. So then they finally do see what's occurred but it's so outlandish that it takes another moment for them to process it. They sometimes seem to look at Wilson as if asking him to help them make sense of what they see. This all takes time. And again like Solid Deception, the impact can be lost if too much time is spent.
I'm thinking that some sort of Stigmata presentation concerning your body's ability to manifest their thoughts would help give the audience a bed for them to lay their perceptions on and help speed their realization process.
Your thoughts? Do I worry too much?
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (May 22, 2008 06:07PM)
Hi Dan. I think you worry too much LOL. In all seriousness I am happy to discuss ANY concerns, questions, etc. so let's discuss your concern.

First, remember that when you see a performance on a DVD people (those in the DVD) are always going to be distracted by the camera period. In addition, the performer (in this case Greg Wilson) is distracted by factors such as considering lighting, the right shot, the schedule, what has to be taught, etc. There is typically a LOT on their mind. But you do raise a valid point... on almost ANY effect it takes an audience time to assimilate the magic. When David Blaine makes a coin disappear off the back of a kids hand the kid doesn't freak out immediately as he has to try to assimilate or understand what has just happened. People normally don't have coins disappear from their hand, blisters change shape, bills change value, items levitate, etc. But as Greg discusses in the DVD sometimes this time of THEM talking themselves into what they saw actually creates a STRONGER effect. You can also manipulate this as well. As an example, with Branded you can look at the round blisters and say "look, can you see them changing" as you show them the card blisters. The FACT is they can't see the change but sometimes even the suggestion will cause them to agree. They build it up in their mind. But they need the time to "mis-remember". Look at some of the work Kenton Knepper and others do with this. It will help your magic be stronger.

I for one am NOT a fan personally of trying to sell this through Stigmata, etc. The reason is that I am not sure how many people can truly SELL the idea that you somehow control stigmata. It's important to be real and honest with yourself. I know I can't sell it. I'd say that only a handful of people in the magic world can have people really BUY this and truly believe it. Watch the interview between Paul Harris and myself on Reel Magic Quarterly # 1. Paul advises that performers should shut up and not get in the way of the magic. I'd agree. That's why David Blaine leaves such a powerful impact on audiences. I have seen David perform live in an intimate setting and people TRULY believe they have seen the real thing. It's not because David is doing some amazing thing we don't know about. It's because David truly understands about not getting in the way of the magic, of keeping it simple, of not clouding it with some long story or joke or such. David can take an effect like the Ambitious Card or the biting coin and make real magic - most of the rest of us get in the way of it with clever patter or jokes or such and that clouds the impact. As a performer it is hard to deal with the silence. You WANT instant reaction, you want them not to think, etc. to make YOU feel more comfortable.... that instant gratification of knowing you have done "good". With silence you just don't know. But you get an instant reaction from dropping your pants. If you can become OK with those moments of silence as they contemplate what has happened you will achieve a MUCH stronger reaction.

I think Branded is fine for beginners and this is why... I think Branded is so easy it allows the new (or seasoned) performer to concentrate on being OK with the silence, to their presentations if they decide to use them, etc. If you are working on some bill switch or multiple move card effect as a beginner you have to think about the sleights, about the angles, etc. That is one of the problems with many of the other card blister effects... you have to think too much. Branded allows you to do it right in front of them with no worry so you can get comfortable in the performance, so you can practice being on, so that you can watch and appreciate their reactions, so that you can stay out of the way of their reactions.

I hope that helps. Certainly that's just my own personal thoughts and my two cents. I know opinions vary about this tremendously. But I'm glad you brought it up as discussions about these very important performing aspects are valuable.

Thanks.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Dan McLean (May 22, 2008 07:11PM)
You're right. I worry too much ;>
Thanks for the uber fast response.
Message: Posted by: taller8 (May 23, 2008 12:45AM)
Such great responses from the creator of a trick. It's refreshing to say the least.

Can't wait for mine to get here.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (May 23, 2008 02:36AM)
Thanks Taller8. I know there are LOTS of products you can spend your money on and I want to ensure if you buy my product you are happy. I feel it is important for all producers to stand behind their products. I truly appreciate the support, kind words, questions, concerns, etc.

Thanks again.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Rich B. (May 23, 2008 09:29AM)
I received Branded a couple of Days ago. Over all, because I'll will be using it, I think it is a good purchase and product... but mainly for 2 reasons. I'll get to that at the end.

Dan McLean above is absolutely correct in his assessment above, in my opinion.

The effect itself...all the versions, which I have, Pyro Perception, 3rd Degree Burn, play for a fairly small audience...1-2 people. There is no question that it takes some type of build up and audience management skills to get the most impact. It is very evident that Greg Wilson did not get great reactions in the performance portion of the DVD. It has nothing to do with Greg Wilson, as I have most of his stuff, and he is very funny and talented and is probably one of my favorite magicians out there.

Lets talk about the DVD first. In my opinion it is just bare bones approach. If a small pamphlet came with this explaining how to do the trick, which is quite easy, you would be performing this in no time. For this type of trick, I think it would have been better to put more time into how to increase the impact of this effect. It is sort of touched on, but not backed up in the performance section. Of course this effect relies on card force. Only one is shown, the Criss Cross force. Its not a problem for me as I use a few varied convincing forces...but if you're making a DVD? The bottom line is I got nothing out of the DVD and I'm going to experiment with different ideas for increasing the impact.

The Gimmick itself...it should last a while...and maybe the material used was the best choice when looking at all the options regarding production costs and other considerations. But it could be broken. It would take a bit of bad luck...but its not indestructible. I know Tim Trono put a lot of thought into this in trying to make the impression more believable with the bubble fonts. But if the spectator has to "Decipher" what the impression is you will never get the impact you are looking for. One of the impressions is a terrible choice in my opinion, the Seven of Diamonds. Why do you ask...because I had to keep flipping my fingers to read what the 7 really was...and I knew what it was supposed to be. I won't ever be using this force card. The 3 of Hearts is OK with the King of Clubs being the best. For this type of effect, I think it would have been better to have very clear impressions and sacrifice the believability concept. I must say the regular blister "morphing" into the selection is ingenious and does really add to the effect.

I do feel the retail price of 49.95 is a bit steep for what you get...but at the start I said that I thought this was a good purchase...here is why. First reason...Pocket space...I already carry a lighter for 2 other effects and now I have a third effect which is quite different from most others without really carrying anything extra.
Second reason...getting the impression in full view of the audience using something that has to be in play to create a blister...fire (lighter). Obviously this is the best feature and why Kudos should be sent out to Tim Trono for coming up with this concept. I performed Pyro Perception on occasion, 3rd Degree Burn is in my junk drawer as there is know way I can devote pocket space to the gimmick...but Branded will be with me for each show I do from this day forward.

The only thing to do is work on a presentation to increase the impact with this type of small(visually)effect.

Rich B.
Message: Posted by: gmmagic124 (May 23, 2008 10:23AM)
I like the bubble fonts idea.
Message: Posted by: Josho (May 23, 2008 10:59AM)
Tim,

Your reply to the question about Jack Tillar's reversal of his earlier disdain for the card-blister effect sold me. I ordered my BRANDED last night.

Many thanks,
Josh
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (May 23, 2008 11:31AM)
This is the do all and end all of this style of effect. finaly the gimmick is work able and easy to use

Alan
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (May 23, 2008 12:01PM)
Well, just to put in my 2 cents. I think Pyro Perception is perfectly serviceable. Having to go into your pockets is really a moot point and the fonts used in Pyro Perception works just fine. It is a brilliant idea to be able to make your impressions on the fly by having to take the lighter out and it flows very nicely in getting the round blister and then getting the card blister since it would be a bit tricky to perform that routine with Pyro Perception. It's really a toss up. If you already own Pyro Perception, I don't really feel that the upgrade will make that big of a leap but if you don't or your Pyro Perception gimmick is due for replacement, I think Branded will make a great replacement :D Let me ding up my Pyro Perception some more and then I'll make the upgrade as well :D
Message: Posted by: Review King (May 23, 2008 02:10PM)
[quote]
On 2008-05-23 09:29, Rich B. wrote:

The Gimmick itself...it should last a while...and maybe the material used was the best choice when looking at all the options regarding production costs and other considerations. But it could be broken. It would take a bit of bad luck...but its not indestructible.
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I didn't see "indestructible gimmick" in the ad. The ad says "Precision-made Gimmick".

A new space shuttle costs about 1.7 billion. The analysis "But it could be broken. It would take a bit of bad luck...but its not indestructible" could be applied to that, or most anything ( including people ).
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (May 23, 2008 05:42PM)
Hi Rich. Thanks for the feedback. I do appreciate it. I'll pass on my two cents as we thought about some of the points you bring up and I'll give you some insight into the thinking.

How to increase impact is a tough thing to "teach".. there have been many books, etc. on this most noticeably Strong Magic, Maximum Entertainment, Designing Miracles, Transformations, Foundations, and others. I think this is a MUCH bigger subject (but very important) and requires a more general understanding than on one trick. Part of the issue with Branded is that there are a variety of ways of doing it (see DVD and support site) so each brings it's own performing conditions, etc. In other words, we felt it was one of those things you have to USE and work with and see what works for YOU. We supply the basics and you go from there. When I initially got Pyro Perception I had trouble until Michael Close suggested a great handling during a phone call (later published in his Closely Guarded Secrets e-Book). But Michael's idea made it doable for me. Even in the time since I came up with the gimmick for Branded and Greg and I started brainstorming with it we changed some of our ideas. As an example, originally we were showing the thumb and first finger each separately with a few second delay between each. It worked and got a strong reaction. But after talking with Shoot Ogawa about framing and after trying it out, both Greg and I experienced better reactions personally when people saw the pip and number close together at the same time (almost as if you were just starting to pinch your thumb and first finger together). I'm sure many other suggestions such as Shoot's will come up and we'll post those on the support site.

Typically I am not a huge fan of the Criss Cross Force but there are a few examples of where it fits in PERFECTLY such as Side-Swiped by Simon Aronson and here with Branded. Don't be fooled by the simplicity of this force... it really works amazingly well. If you use the gimmick for the regular Bic lighter and the Criss Cross Force you can also give them the choice of the face or face down card at the cut point. It makes it even fairer. Anyway, we debated about including more forces but after much discussion we decided to only teach this one force but to give a very thorough resource guide for other forces as outlined in the Card Force Resources section of the DVD. We felt that many seasoned magicians would already have their favorite force and thus including a bunch of forces would bog down the instructions. For the beginning magician (and quite frankly the pros) the Criss Cross Force is perfect for this effect and thus we wanted to at least include that instead of saying "use your favorite force" when the new comer may not HAVE a favorite force. I do however feel it is important to be thorough so we included many resources for study in books and other DVDs. Some you may not be aware of so if you haven't viewed that section you might want to.

I'm sorry you didn't get more out of the DVD. It is basically a bonus instructional guide as I feel most people learn better from the visual nature as opposed to written instructions. However for those who DO prefer written instructions (as noted on the DVD) we include basic written instructions in English, Japanese, French, and Spanish on the support site listed on the DVD.

Also, as noted on the DVD introduction, I have done the card blister effect for many years but Greg Wilson filled in for me as I had had a pretty serious leg injury and just couldn't do the DVD... thus Branded was not a piece that Greg has used for many years like many of his previous releases. But with this in mind I think Greg still really did an amazing job both in instruction and in performance. He's using it all of the time now.

The reason why we didn't use another material for the gimmick is it simply did not look as good and did not function as well... we experimented with metal, etc. I've had my gimmick since day 1, its taken a beating, and never a problem.

I'd also respectfully disagree about the spectator trying to decipher the fonts.. if they have to take a few second in their mind then the effect happens in a spectators mind. This makes a much stronger FINAL impact. NONE of the card blister effects are fast or flashy but they ARE strong. Many magicians are not comfortable with a bit of silence as I note in a prior post. They want the instant "wow" reactions. But sometimes those are the strongest long term. We experimented on people with both the "perfect" font and a rougher bubble font and it just got a MUCH better reaction with the bubble font.

I do appreciate your input and will consider all of that. Just wanted to give a bit of insight into the decisions.

Hi Kissdadookie. Pyro Perception is very serviceable - I note this on prior posts and even on the DVD. If price point is a main factor then it absolutely works- I USED it for years and can attest to its effectiveness. I think Branded just takes it to a different level (due to the openness, the morph, and for serviceability to the working performer) I respectfully would disagree that working in your pocket is a moot point. Can you get by doing it- absolutely. But even when I was using it it's just there wrong place at the wrong time. I actually think it's one of the factors why more people don't USE Pyro Perception, etc. as they feel guilty. With Pyro you can't really do the morph aspect and I'd encourage you to try that - it strengthens the effect in a major way.

Thanks Josh and Alan.

If any of you guys have any major problems with this let me know via e-mail. I want to ensure you are happy with your purchase. I appreciate the constructive criticism and the support. It will help in future projects.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Rich B. (May 23, 2008 10:47PM)
Hi Tim. I appreciate your response and insight on Branded. I am very happy with the purchase as I stated in my earlier post.

I have every one of the books you mentioned and more. I do study theory, routine construction, etc. This may be just one of those effects that can only play so big because of the nature of the effect. I can relate this to the trick "Cardtoon" by Dan Harlan. Its a great card trick, but after performing it for about a month, I got tired of flipping through the deck multiple times for other people of the group that could not see what happened. The impact of the trick is diminished by that point. Now I just perform it for myself...for my own amusement. It does sound like your still currently trying to improve the presenation for Branded, as you have a different approach now as opposed to how Greg said to reveal the impressions on the new DVD. I of course will continue to do the same to attempt to get the perfect presentation. I was not aware of the support site on the DVD...I'll check that out.

I think the Criss Cross force is very deceptive, but is best used with a table. I perform in many venues that do not tables, and I think having the specatator hold the cards in their hand, while the card that is cut to is marked, is illogical. Again its not a problem for me as I use a variety of forces for different situations.

This effect is not new to me as I have performed Pyro Perception in the past to decent reactions. At some point I stopped performing the effect because the reactions were not worth the extra pocket space for the gimmick. You solved that issue with Branded. Now I can continue to work on the routine.

Good luck with Branded.

Rich B.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (May 23, 2008 11:09PM)
Never felt guilty going into my pocket for the gimmick as it was always justified with me stating that I'm looking for my lighter. None the less, I am planning on purchasing a Branded gimmick eventually when I put a few more dings on my Pyro Perception (I have a habit of tossing it in the air and catching it, which sometimes means I miss the catch and ding it goes on the cold hard ground :P ).

Steve
Message: Posted by: Magicguy40 (May 24, 2008 12:41AM)
For those of you in California or on the west Coast, James at Sorcery has them available as well, his new site is ITRMagicTricks.com. The quick find search box makes it very easy to find any of the 8000+ Items on his site. The site is really nice look, compared to his old one.
He could use a little support right now, the knock-off's from Magic Makers has been greatly damaging his business.

Ken
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (May 24, 2008 04:27AM)
Thanks Steve and Rich. Keep tossing Steve LOL....

Tim
Message: Posted by: Robert M (May 24, 2008 11:33AM)
I looked up Michael Close's presentation ideas for Pyro Perception in "Closely Guarded Secrets" (as recommended on the "Branded" DVD). Mike thinks (and I agree) that in order for the effect to be elevated to miracle status, a totally convincing force must be used (not that there's anything wrong with the criss cross force). Mike Close demonstrates a Larry Jenning's strip out force that looks good. But, I'm thinking that a completely fair looking / hands-off force is the way to go with this.

If you're using the larger version of "Branded", I would suggest looking up Boris Wild's "Skyliner" (aka "Mind Spinner") routine on his new set of DVDs. The spectator shuffles the deck, and then simply looks at the top card. Very fair.

Some may not want to carry around a special deck just for this effect, but if I was using the larger model rather the mini BIC, this is probably the force I would use.

Just a thought,
Robert
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (May 24, 2008 01:34PM)
Thanks Robert- I'll check that out. If using the regular size Bic for Branded also check out the force I note on the Card Force Resource section titled “Shuffle Off To Buffalo Miracle” by Lou Gallo and Ron O’Brian and found in “Expert Card Chicanery (Part Two)” by Alton Sharpe. It does something similar to what you describe on the Boris Wild force (I'll check into that one today) but allows you to force 3 or 4 cards (3 in this case) very fairly almost as a mishap and then the spectator further picks one of those 3 as you apparently turn your back so it feels like a super free choice. If you play this up it kills and is very hands off. Michael Weber and David Regal had both recommended this force.


Tim
Message: Posted by: Robert M (May 24, 2008 02:53PM)
Just looked up "Shuffle Off To Buffalo Miracle". It's a good force, plus it uses a regular deck. The Boris Wild effect uses a highly gaffed deck.

Somebody mentioned using a Monte Cristo deck for the "mini" version. The cards can be shuffled by the spectator, and they will always pick the 3H. But, finding a Monte Cristo deck with a 3H force card might be tough.

Robert
Message: Posted by: PaulGreen (May 24, 2008 03:29PM)
Hi Everyone,

First to let you know, Tim is a longtime friend. We also have a business relationship. Those that know me know that I am honest, to a fault. What I am sharing here our my opinions--take them or leave them.

Jack Tillar shared his Blister trick with many of us around the Magic Castle. It was an instantaneous hit. Simple direct Magic with a unique punch. Over the years, I have used it in mostly impromptu situations. Lonnie Chevrie has a great routine that I have used in my formal shows.

I, too, questioned the concept of the blister morphing. I decided to try Branded out in a recent strolling gig. It got great reactions! That sealed the deal for me. When an audience likes something--I continue to use it. I found that the blisters changing to be very powerful. I, too, found that displaying the fingers close together gets a better reaction.

The gaffs are well made. I find the smaller unit better for pocket management but the larger unit does have more choices. The DVD is well produced and Gregory Wilson does a good job teaching the various aspects needed to make this routine something worthwhile. As for the forcing, I am biased towards the Classic Force (Thanks for the reference in the resource section).

Finally, I think that this routine done in the proper place, will garner you strong and personal reactions. Tim Trono has a winner.

Respectfully,

Paul Green
Message: Posted by: Review King (May 24, 2008 03:41PM)
I'll be using Branded tonight at a strolling gig and will report back. I like to do one effect at the end for as many folks as I can ( you can gather the folks that were the most receptive- in groups is best ) and do it for as many as you can. I ask folks if they can help with soemthing special I'd like to do for everyone. Poeple LOVE to help others.

I'm doing it once ( which is how I think this should be done ) and using a one way 3 of hearts deck with an indifferent card on the bottom ( which is casually flashed ). I do this all the time and the deck never has heat on it. When they pick the card I turn my head away and then close the deck and pocket the deck ). It makes for a great deck switch if you were going to do another effect.

In effects where the card isn't signed, I have them pocket the card or hold it against their chest. That way...if they forget the card ( or worse, try to make the Magi look stupid which is easy for me;-) we have proof. Works on forgettful folks and wiseguys.

I have a routine for this and I'll share it with eveyone when I get back ( if it goes wrong we can all learn from that as well ).
Message: Posted by: Rich B. (May 24, 2008 11:41PM)
This is the best version of the effect...no question.
Chris..I hope it all works out well at your gig. I do disagree that it should or could be done for groups at a time. It just can not be seen by everyone...although as I stated earlier, I'm trying to come up with something that helps this play bigger.

I performed it tonight for a 50ish(age)couple when I was out to dinner with my wife. The man could not see it at all, he didn't bring his glasses...and the women digs in her hand bag for eye glasses puts them on and after about 10 seconds she says she can't see it either. After I point it out again...she says "oh yeah, there it is". Not the reaction I'm looking for. The lighting in the restaurant probably didn't help.

Still working with it.

Rich B.
Message: Posted by: Review King (May 25, 2008 06:05AM)
I'm back. Something interesting before the show. I went over to the clubhouse to go over my set and outside smoking are the girls that work there. They know me and it's always fun to chat with them. I decided to do Branded for them.

I used the one way deck. It worked perfect. I'll tell you the routine I did for the girls because...I didn't get to do it at the gig. They called everyone in for the speaker before I had a chance. I would have done it when I walked around, but my experience with these things is that someone is going to want to see it later and the marks have vanished by then and if you do it with new marks, then they weren't real blisters, etc. Maybe others will have different experiences repeating the effect. I don't want it to be a 'trick" so I use it accordingly.

OK, back to the gals. I had Sherry take a card. "take a card. You can show them, but don't let me see it and don't say what it is and put it in your pocket".

I flash the bottom of the deck when I pocket it showing an indifferent card

"Concentrate on your card ( pause and act confused). "Are you thinking of that card or a different one?"

OK, let me explain why I do this. I have found that with pick a card and think of it tricks, people many times will think of a different card to mess you up. I LOVE when they do that. First off, that's one reason I have them pocket the card, so we have proof. Second, it's a great moment when they confess they were thinking of a different card. I tell them don't do that because it confuses me. Think of the card that's in your pocket.

If they did not think of a different card, I say "then someone else is thinking of a different card because I'm getting mixed signals ( it's possible because...I flashed an indifferent card when I pocketed the deck ). "Please concentrate only on the card in your pocket".

Both ways lend to the fact that I do not know what their card is, but I am getting mental signals. Trust me, it works.

OK...she wasn't thinking of another card. lol.

Back to the routine. "I'm still not getting it. Let's try this". I get the lighter and....the blister impression. I lit the flame and told her to stare into the flame and think of her card. I then put my fingers "into the flame" but instead of dousing the flame, I keep it lit and my fingers in place. And..., I grimace as I count 1-1000, 2-1000 to myslef.

I think to just "touch" the flame doesn't make a blister. Acting like you're touching the flame for 3 seconds makes the blister real ( in my opinion ). They don't have to see you touching the flame. They only have to think you are.

I pulled my hand away shaking my hand, blowing on my fingers and...showed them the blisters. Now I get the card impression and light the flame, put my fingers right back in the flame asking her to concentrate on her card.

Count 1-1000, 2-1000 and then pulled my fingers away again shaking them and then blowing on them with appropriate I burned myself grunts.

"Look at this. Come close. On my thumb, that looks like a 3". I waited 'till I thought they got it. "And on my index finger, that's a heart". I shut up ( thank you Paul Harris ). With effects like this, it's like a game of "who blinks first". I want them to speak first.

One girl said "you're scarey". Silence broken. With my other hand I pointed to Sherry's pocket "you have the 3 of hearts in your pocket, don't you? Take it out".

Folks, they were shocked and amazed. I took the card and held it next to my blistered fingers. They looked closely at my fingers ( I held them up the entire time ) but they didn't get as close as they did before. I asked one gal to pour water from her bottle on my fingers ( if they didn't have water, I would have said I have to go get some ice on this ).

Anyone that has done mentalism effects or work with loops, knows these types of reactions. You can do a funny haunted pack with gags, or you can play it straight and give people an eerie feeling. It all depends on the character you choose. I don't think funny plays well with an eerie effcet.

The morph puts this over the top. To not morph is like using the pen through bill without the rip gaff. "something" Isn't right when you leave this step out.

The gimmick: The symbols are made in a way that they are not perfect. This forces them to come in right up to your fingers and have to process what the marks are. Tell them and they'll get it. Just keep quiet and let them process it.

When I tested the marks on myself, I was so pleased to see they weren't "perfect" because if you could really do this, it wouldn't be perfect. Just like ashes on the arm, if you do a card symbol or name, it should "closely" resemble the chosen card or the thought of name. If it's perfect, then you drew it. If it's hazy, then it appeared ( like spirit writing should be). If Branded used the typical clear cut fonts, I would have praised the lighter idea, but would have passed on using it. But, these bubble fonts are brilliant. The 7 of diamonds is the least clear one to make out and I think it's the best. Once you tell them what the symbols are, they will connect the dots and see it. Have them take that card out of their pocket and hold it up to your fingers.

As far as my orginal idea for getting a group together, I think this would still work. True...some folks can't make out what's on your fingers. but that will make them want to come in close to see what it is that folks are reacting to. I'll have to see if the theory is correct. It wouldn't be a stage effect ( unless you had IMAX projection ).

I watched the DVD. Greg gives a detailed history and then does some performances on the street. Greg's a talented guy and I'm glad he was chosen to do this ( hey, everyone likes Greg Wilson ).

Greg then goes over the gimmicks, tips on performing, etc.
He shows a force ( criss cross ). I've used this in Sideswiped ( where it works perfectly). It's an excellent, deceptive force. I'm not always going to have a force deck with me ( as I'm not leaving the house without Branded in my pocket and I think many other Magi will feel the same way ). So I'd use a force that works in the situation I'm in ( table/no table ). The DVD has a reference area for this.

When Branded was announced, I had already had the idea with the one way force deck ( And you could use a two way force deck also ).

But with the criss cut force, you give them two choices ( if you use the larger lighter ). This is so fair. "you cut the deck here, you can have this card or this one, it doesn't matter". WOW.

Whatever force method you use, it's not about the deck or the lighter. All they'll remember are those blisters.

Bonus:

Greg teaches a voodoo effect that is really, really good. It can, but doesn't have to, use Branded. They choose a card, you show it front and back and they hold in their fingers face up. You find the mate to their card and burn the back of it. When they turn their card over....yep, their card is also burned. I can't wait to try this out. It's like the ash in the palm effect, but with cards ( sans the ash ).

I know I wrote allot, but I've been using blister effects for years and know how powerful they are. I used previous card blister gimmicks and they were well made, but I didn't like going to the pocket and felt the perfect symbols made it a clever trick and took away from the power of the blister effect.

Branded's morphing and bubble blisters make this one of the best things to happen in magic.

I also suggest getting Jack Tillar's Blister Book and RUN and get Richard Osterlind's "Making Magic Real". You will elevate the magic your perform by learning and using Richard's ideas. [url=http://osterlindstore.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/25/products_id/59?osCsid=06f15e9a53a1768b4e85c02f3d8ebed0]RICHARD OSTERLIND[/url]
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (May 25, 2008 05:33PM)
WOW - Thanks Chris!!! Great thinking and I love the idea of pouring water on your fingers (or icing them) later - do you mind if I add that to the brandedmagic.com support site? Great thinking overall.

I also do agree with you in that I personally choose not to repeat this over and over... I'd rather build it up as you suggest and kick them hard (There is a great discussion about this in Wayne Houchin's DVD Control).

BTW... if you are going to only do it once in a while and want the blister to show up better you can "draw" around the impressions with a graphite pencil or black/brown eye make up or such thus when you get the blister it leaves what looks like a burned edge. A few people have suggested this to me. I have not tried this honestly so don't know the results in the trenches. If anyone tries this I'd be curious to get your feedback whether it really works, what you used for the edging, etc. via e-mail (timtrono@aol.com). I just have not found it necessary.

Thanks again Chris for really taking the time to work with this, analyze it, thoroughly watch the instructions, etc. I initially thought the one way deck might be too much but you raise some very valid points. If you are doing a gig and pocket space is not an issue this is really a great idea. I like the idea of them putting the "thought of" card in their pocket, etc. and will try this just using a straight force.

I am glad you brought up the Voodoo Card trick discussed on the bonus DVD. It is extremely simple but really kills if you play it up. Don't overlook this.

I have to say I am delighted by some of the personal e-mails I have received form people such as Chris and Paul Green who are out working for real people, who have tried this, and who have had great reactions. I want this to be something people will be bale to USE and that it will become a staple item for workers.

Tim
Message: Posted by: indomagic (May 25, 2008 11:18PM)
I just got Branded , I like the gimmicks. But the only problem I found is not easy to find regular Bic lighter in my country. I guess in Asia coutries they might face the same problem. I bought several types big and small lighter. So far I only can use the bigger one even it bit loose. I still can not find the small lighter fit into the gimmick.

On the DVD ,I wish to see the full routine during performance section.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (May 26, 2008 03:27AM)
Hi Indomagic. I'd imagine if you do a search on Bic lighters on Google you can find lots of places you can order ordinary regular size and mini Bic lighters? They are sold at just about every corner gas station or grocery store here.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Review King (May 26, 2008 04:07AM)
Tim, yes, by all means feel free to add any idea I had to the Branded website. I'm looking forward to hearing of ideas folks come up with. I think we can all help each other routine and hone our performances with Branded.
Message: Posted by: Paul Wingham (May 26, 2008 07:42AM)
I wont say much as I don't think I can add anythin mor ethan has already been saidbut having used this for the first time on saturday night, I think this type of effect has gone as far as it can. ie: I don't see any further improvement that can be made this takes all the bad bits out of the previous versions in my opinion. Not that there is anything wrong with these but I like a lot of other magicians like simplicity where gimmicks are concerned.

I guess the challenge in the future will be to get the blister on the spectators hand. Kindalike a kick arse version of the ashes on hand...... Now that would be good.

The best purchase of the year for me. Thanks
Message: Posted by: taller8 (May 26, 2008 11:55AM)
I just received my Branded and I agree with all the praise heaped upon this effect.

Having fiddled with Pyro perception in the past, I really appreciate the advances made with "Branded".

The first thing I noticed was how easily the blister registered on my fingers. The extra depth in the gimmick was a nice idea.

Not using a precision font was another advancement in my opinion.

The DVD was nice and thorough and Greg Wilson is always a pleasure to listen too. Maybe a few other forces would of been nice to include, but then it would of turned into a 'how to force a card' tutorial. The references for other forces was a helpful idea.

And including the two sizes of gimmicks was wonderful. It gives you options that many will appreciate. Versatility or pocket space, you choose.
Having a normal circle blister that morphs into the card will be fun to try too.

So "Branded" isn't as simplistic as just moving the gimmick to a lighter, this is a well thought routine with four significant improvements.

Definitely one of my favorite items of this year. Well I do love TimeCard too and I'm waiting on Attack of the Bag. How I love to buy magic. Make me stop, please. I need gas money.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (May 26, 2008 03:23PM)
Yeah I just filled my tank- $56!!!! Thanks so much for the positive comments. I really appreciate them. If you have any ideas, suggestions, handlings, etc. please let me know via e-mail and I can possibly put them up on the support site to share with other purchasers of this item. If you have any problems or issues with this effect please also privately e-mail me as I want to ensure all people who buy this are happy. I realize it's Branded or a tank of gas (and a soda). Thanks again for the great comments.

Tim
Message: Posted by: vanishingrabbit (May 27, 2008 01:03AM)
We got in over 50 of them and have a few left
Message: Posted by: Review King (May 27, 2008 01:34AM)
These will sell out as everyone is going to carry this in their pocket. What I hope is that folks will get excited about the blister plot and check out Jack Tillar's "Blister" book.

Anyone performing in darker venues, the lighter makes an excellent "torch" to show the blisters. Greg Wilson goes over this on the bonus DVD, which folks should watch multiple times because there is actually a broad scope of material covered on it.
Message: Posted by: Frank Starsini (May 27, 2008 12:21PM)
I also have a few left. They're selling fast.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (May 28, 2008 03:30AM)
Hi Chris. I'd second that ref. The Blister Book. It's really great with some outstanding contributions by many of the top names in magic. Whether you do a standard blister effect, a card blister, or have thought about these effects, Jack's book has some great ideas, thoughts, etc. that can be applied to any of these. Highly recommended.

Tim
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (May 28, 2008 04:19AM)
Hello,

I'll keep this short and sweet.
Tim Trono's effect "Branded" is awesome. It is perfect, the right color, design, etc..
-It is definitely a keeper. :)
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (May 28, 2008 04:22AM)
Got my Branded yesterday, and I am very impressed. I will write a thorough review soon, but first, and without trying to sound stupid, last night and this morning I have been in about 4 different shops looking for a Bic lighter...i can find the cheap, colourful plastic lighters that are see through...but no Bic lighters...anyone from the UK know a shop that sells the Bic lighters?
Message: Posted by: Review King (May 28, 2008 06:37AM)
I found this:

OFFICIAL UK DISTRIBUTORS FOR BIC LIGHTER
http://www.ritadirect.com/Bic%20Lighters.htm
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (May 28, 2008 06:58AM)
Yea, thanks Chris. I found them as well...but minimum order of £50 ($100), as they are wholesale...which would mean I would need to order about 200-300 lighters! And I get a colour !@#ortment, where I just want black. Would just like to be able to go into a shop, pick up four or five lighters and go...someone in the UK must have found a lighter to go in this already...

Many thanks guys
Message: Posted by: nique (May 28, 2008 07:15AM)
Just received this, and I am impressed. Glad I chose this over the others as it's my first purchase of this type of effect.

One idea I do intend to try is to use the regular sized gimmick and combine it with Luke Jermay's "A Darker Dai" with playing cards (not with the objects as outlined on his Dvd). Have the spectator touch 5 cards, outjog them, switch them out for another set of 5 containing the 3 force cards (a Vernon Strip Out Addition would suffice).

Out of the 5 cards laid out, the 3 in the middle would be the target cards. A bit of scripting for the pump, but once you know the card... Brand it! Hope that made sense to those who know the routine.

At the rate I foresee myself performing this, I can only hope that my skin or the gimmick doesn't give way anytime soon! Are replacements available (for the gimmick, not my skin)?
Message: Posted by: Sean Fields (May 28, 2008 11:03AM)
I have been playing around with Branded for some time now; I gotta say when Tim told me about this, I thought 'Slick.' Now that I have had the chance to mess around for a few days, I gotta say 'REALLY slick.'

Seriously.

The gimmick(s) are well made, and virtually indestructible while on the lighter, and also 'deep' making it easier to get the blisters on your fingers.

The font that Tim chose to use for the blisters is also crucial to the effect; they really look like blisters in the form of letters.

I have used every blister gimmick around, and Branded is at the top of the list for practicality and ease of use.

I don't want to ramble guys, but this really is good, and well worth your time and hard earned cash.

Sean
Message: Posted by: Robert M (May 28, 2008 11:16AM)
[quote]
On 2008-05-28 07:15, nique wrote:
Just received this, and I am impressed. Glad I chose this over the others as it's my first purchase of this type of effect.

One idea I do intend to try is to use the regular sized gimmick and combine it with Luke Jermay's "A Darker Dai" with playing cards (not with the objects as outlined on his Dvd). Have the spectator touch 5 cards, outjog them, switch them out for another set of 5 containing the 3 force cards (a Vernon Strip Out Addition would suffice).

Out of the 5 cards laid out, the 3 in the middle would be the target cards. A bit of scripting for the pump, but once you know the card... Brand it! Hope that made sense to those who know the routine.

At the rate I foresee myself performing this, I can only hope that my skin or the gimmick doesn't give way anytime soon! Are replacements available (for the gimmick, not my skin)?
[/quote]

This is similar to the force discussed earlier called "Shuffling Off To Buffalo" but with just three cards. The best part of the force is having the spectator touch one of the cards AS the magician turns his back, if you follow.

Also, for anyone that's interested... Chris Kenworthey's "Mastermind Deck" works well with the "mini" version of "Branded". It's the 3H, but the backs are not Bicycle, unfortunately. I've looked everywhere, and can't find a "Monte Cristo" deck with the 3H and Bicycle backs.

Robert
Message: Posted by: Jaz2005 (May 28, 2008 12:35PM)
[quote]
On 2008-05-28 06:58, Christopher Williams wrote:
Yea, thanks Chris. I found them as well...but minimum order of £50 ($100), as they are wholesale...which would mean I would need to order about 200-300 lighters! And I get a colour !@#ortment, where I just want black. Would just like to be able to go into a shop, pick up four or five lighters and go...someone in the UK must have found a lighter to go in this already...

Many thanks guys
[/quote]

Hi Chris and guys,

My local Petrol Station sells the Bic Lighters as do some corner shops you just have to keep trying. They are becoming harder to get over here now due to the influx of cheapies but they are still out there. I also think that they are in Sainsbury's ciggy counter if you are over 18 LOL :)

We would have got a supply in at World Magic Shop but we are not able to post them out full of gas as they are a prohibited postal item. That idea scuppered.

On Branded:- Awesome and a definitely carry it with you all the time gimmick. Tim you have a winner.
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (May 28, 2008 12:46PM)
[quote]
On 2008-05-28 12:35, Jaz2005 wrote:
[quote]
On 2008-05-28 06:58, Christopher Williams wrote:
Yea, thanks Chris. I found them as well...but minimum order of £50 ($100), as they are wholesale...which would mean I would need to order about 200-300 lighters! And I get a colour !@#ortment, where I just want black. Would just like to be able to go into a shop, pick up four or five lighters and go...someone in the UK must have found a lighter to go in this already...

Many thanks guys
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Hi Chris and guys,

My local Petrol Station sells the Bic Lighters as do some corner shops you just have to keep trying. They are becoming harder to get over here now due to the influx of cheapies but they are still out there. I also think that they are in Sainsbury's ciggy counter if you are over 18 LOL :)

We would have got a supply in at World Magic Shop but we are not able to post them out full of gas as they are a prohibited postal item. That idea scuppered.

On Branded:- Awesome and a definitely carry it with you all the time gimmick. Tim you have a winner.
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Ah! Petrol stations, will try those, and as I am 21, I can go to the ciggy counter :). I use No Smoking by Jean Luc Bertrand, and they work for it, but obviously I don't want to use that lighter. I am contacting some suppliers and will let people know how I get on

Thanks
Message: Posted by: jclark (May 28, 2008 01:25PM)
I hate this effect. I'd never support it. Never. There's not a thing I'd do to get behind Tim or Branded. Ever. Don't buy it. Shhhhh.... lol.
Message: Posted by: Jared (May 28, 2008 01:26PM)
I'm really pleased with this purchase. I find it to be much more practical by comparison to the pocket versions (and I've owned them all). However, I'm a bit curious about the design of the shell- specifically why it is 'slip-on' compared to a wrap around shell with an opening that could be more easily finger palmed
.....Not that there should be much heat on the lighter in the first-place, but it could make it even more stealth.

A few people have asked to examine the lighter after having performed the effect and I simply dislodged it from the shell while in the process of removing it from my pants. Note: a nice built-in convincer is that the lighter is still warm to the touch when they examine it.

Highly recommended!

-Jared
Message: Posted by: chennell (May 28, 2008 01:27PM)
Outstanding Tim.
mine came today and to be honest I love it as I said before . . . I don't actualy smoke but will not leave the house without a lighter.
many thanks.

NaT
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (May 28, 2008 01:43PM)
In my restaurant magic there are many tables that have candles on them. They are not always lighted. The 'branded gimmick' makes for a perfect tie-in and also gets rid of the gimmick for me. After two cards are chosen, I bring out one of those cards that changes when heated. This is a prediction so I say. The card is wrong, so I say this what I think of my prediction. I light the candle, secretly putting the blisters on my fingers. The lighter is returned to the pocket and I hold the card near the candle so the heat makes it change (to the first selection). While giving them a confident cocky look, I apparently am not paying attention to the candle flame.

I yell "ouch" and drop the card on the table, muttering to myself about how I burnt my fingers. Look it made a blister....and the second card is revealed by the blisters.

I find this takes all the heat (no pun intended)off the lighter. It is out of the way long before either card is revealed. It leaves you clean and all the heat is on the candle. (Pun intended) Thanks Tim for a great release. I will use it often in my restaurant work.

Yes, I know this leaves out the morph effect. However I have always like the visual changing of a card in the candle flame. The branded gimmick allows a startling revelation as a kicker, almost by mistake, since you inadvertently burned yourself doing the other effect. That way it doesn't seem planned or contrived. It just happens and I act puzzled like how did this happen.

Devin Knight
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (May 28, 2008 04:07PM)
I just got off the phone with Michael Close and he told me about a handling/presentation for Branded that he developed and will put on his subscription based site http://www.forworkersonly.com most likely later on today. This is a wonderful site and definitely worth the small subscription price. Michael is really great at taking effects and adding little touches or presentational ideas that take it to a new level. Michael's idea is strong and the presentation hilarious... I was laughing out loud. Join his site and enjoy this and the many great, honest reviews; great additional ideas; etc.

Tim Trono
Message: Posted by: Review King (May 28, 2008 04:36PM)
http://www.forworkersonly.com is gaining in popularity. It's only $30 for the year ( Mike is about to raise the price, so this is the time to join ) and he'll even give a $20 credit to any of his downloads ( I'm not sure how long this will last either ).
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (May 29, 2008 01:45AM)
I received a VERY nice e-mail from Jeff McBride tonight (if you have not seen Jeff's new DVDs BUY them- great thinking, great effects, etc.). Jeff advised "Your new effect/DVD gets 2 thumbs up from me Tim!" and gave me the following quote to use in my ads:

“Now you can set minds on fire! I really feel that Branded is the most practical answer for this effect yet! This is a strong magical tool to carry every day and night!” - Jeff McBride, Las Vegas Headliner

As demonstrated on his new DVDs, Jeff just loves magic and feels it should be part of who you are 24/7. Branded absolutely falls in to this category and I am honored someone like Jeff will be using this.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Nechto (May 29, 2008 04:17AM)
Well Tim,

It is pretty good!!

Cheers,

Ben
Message: Posted by: Tom Dobrowolski (May 29, 2008 10:00AM)
Got mine yesterday and it's really good. I will absolutely be carrying the mini around with me at all times to have an "impromptu" miracle available at my fingertips. Loved the presentational idea from Thom Peterson that Gregory Wilson explains on the DVD. Just great.

I can't imagine anyone not getting this and even more importantly USING it all the time.
Message: Posted by: nique (May 29, 2008 09:29PM)
My thumb and index finger are really starting to hurt!
Message: Posted by: Robert M (May 29, 2008 09:54PM)
Please ignore my endorsement of Chris Kenworthey's "Mastermind Deck" for this effect (above). It's not Bicycle, it's bridge size, and it handles terribly.

I do think that using a Monte Cristo deck with Bicycle backs is a good way to go, if someone decides to market it with the 3H. I believe that any "hands-off" force adds to the impossibility of this effect. "Branded" is such a good trick - it deserves a great force.

JMHO,
Robert
Message: Posted by: Douglas Lippert (May 29, 2008 10:47PM)
[quote]
On 2008-05-28 13:43, magicbuilder wrote:
In my restaurant magic there are many tables that have candles on them. They are not always lighted. The 'branded gimmick' makes for a perfect tie-in and also gets rid of the gimmick for me. After two cards are chosen, I bring out one of those cards that changes when heated. This is a prediction so I say. The card is wrong, so I say this what I think of my prediction. I light the candle, secretly putting the blisters on my fingers. The lighter is returned to the pocket and I hold the card near the candle so the heat makes it change (to the first selection). While giving them a confident cocky look, I apparently am not paying attention to the candle flame.

I yell "ouch" and drop the card on the table, muttering to myself about how I burnt my fingers. Look it made a blister....and the second card is revealed by the blisters.

I find this takes all the heat (no pun intended)off the lighter. It is out of the way long before either card is revealed. It leaves you clean and all the heat is on the candle. (Pun intended) Thanks Tim for a great release. I will use it often in my restaurant work.

Yes, I know this leaves out the morph effect. However I have always like the visual changing of a card in the candle flame. The branded gimmick allows a startling revelation as a kicker, almost by mistake, since you inadvertently burned yourself doing the other effect. That way it doesn't seem planned or contrived. It just happens and I act puzzled like how did this happen.

Devin Knight
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I like that presentation, thanks for sharing it with us. Can't wait to get Branded. Hopefully it will replace Third Degree Burn in my "drawer."
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (May 30, 2008 01:44AM)
Hi Robert. I think one of the best ideas for a force is Michael Close's from Closely Guarded Secrets where you have (in this case) 3 cards chosen freely and you switch them using something like the Vernon Strip Out switch for the 3 force cards. Then they pick up one of those (as you start to turn your back but are getting a peak at which one). They apparently then just "think" of that card and mix all 3 cards back in the deck. Thus they feel they had a choice from 52 then finally a choice from 3. Check out Michael's site for some thoughts on Branded he'll post soon as well as Closely Guarded Secrets for another great force he uses in another effect in this e-Book.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Titanas (May 30, 2008 10:05AM)
I also received Branded the other day and I must say that I loved it immediately.
This is something that you won't go anywhere without it. The reactions are amazing and the effect is so simple that you can concentrate in the performance. If I can add something and forgive me if this has been added before, is that playing with it I discovered that I can use 9 different force cards in a numerical and HDC order... which makes it a piece of cake forcing 1 of 9 cards from the center of the deck, then I just cut and pick at the bottom one (previous card) and is just a matter of placing your index and thumb diagonally if required.
This product seriously gets my index and thumb UP!!
Best,
Titanas
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (May 30, 2008 11:15AM)
Thanks Titanas. Glad you like it.

We briefly talk about the multiple variations you describe on the support site. I know a few people who are using this but I personally feels it slows it down a bit and prefer to just use one of the 3 force cards. But if you are in a setting where you had a bit more time it does expand the number of cards. Thanks for the input and if you have any problems let me know.

It's been great to get feedback on this. I spoke to a friend in the UK yesterday and he took Branded to the magic meeting in their area and everyone wanted one. He's having trouble keeping it in stock. I think once people SEE the gimmicks, etc. they realize why we were so excited about this.

Thanks again.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (May 30, 2008 11:26AM)
Wooo! My missus text me today saying she found some black Bic Lighters, so I will now be able to perform this!!! Finally be able to test it in the real world! Thanks again Tim!
Message: Posted by: brainman (May 30, 2008 01:04PM)
This is a worker!!! Buy it!!!
T
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (May 30, 2008 02:42PM)
Thanks guys!

Tim
Message: Posted by: magichoka (May 30, 2008 03:37PM)
Is it need to use black Bic Lighters ? Thanks
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (May 30, 2008 03:53PM)
Not necessarily however I WOULD recommend it.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Review King (May 30, 2008 04:55PM)
OK...I'm going to tip this as I'm using this now.

Imagine taking out a deck of cards. spreading them face up between your hands ( the cards show as all different ). You begin overhand shuffling the cards. Taking cards off the top of the deck and showing them to all be different ( there is patter that makes sense of all these actions ).

Breaking the deck in half and shuffling the halves together( any real shuffle you want ). Now give them the deck to shuffle. When they are done, they take the top card and you are off and running ( I sound like a dealer ad;-)

This is my use of the marketed effect that is one the most brilliant, mental effects ever created. It's called "The Prophecy Pack" by David Regal.

David has a full routine that is done on the table with them cutting the deck into packets. I won't go into it, but I have done this without the table and not using packets. I have them shuffling the cards and taking the top card and placing it in their pocket. If ,for the off chance the force card wasn't on top ( it happened to me once this week ) guide them into cutting the deck once or twice. It will show up.

If you write David and explain what you want the Prophecy pack for, I'm sure he'll do all he can to see if he has a deck with one of the force cards you need. Once you know the secret, you can make up your own decks. David's e-mail is regalmagic@att.net David is also a Café Member and you can PM him.

I think this is the perfect marriage of two incredible effects and it solves the fairness of the force issue some folks are working on. It's my favorite way to do Branded.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (May 31, 2008 02:17AM)
Great idea Chris. I'll try that. If you don't have Regal's new book, buy it - excellent.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (May 31, 2008 05:43PM)
I received the following from Steve Shufton today: "Branded is wonderful. Great thinking on a great trick. I plan on adding it to my arsenal - especially because of the "morph" capability. My other burn trick just went in the drawer. Congratulations on a marvelous improvement." Thanks Steve. By the way if you have not checked out Steve's Miracle Premonition it's amazing.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Virungan (May 31, 2008 05:54PM)
Got this, and it's great, so much simpler and easier to manage than its blistery predecessors...
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (May 31, 2008 08:18PM)
Thanks Virungan. Glad you like it.

Make sure you check out the support site as we will add new ideas, handlings, etc.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jun 1, 2008 06:07PM)
The last few days I've been going back to the handling of where it started in that I get the round blister right in front of them secretly as I tell them I burned myself a few days back (my good friend and excellent magician Patrick Wolford originally suggested this). I then display those blisters that have apparently been there all along (though I just secretly acquired them a moment before), light the lighter, and use the flame to apparently morph the blisters to the card blisters (I don't show the change yet but state "it's starting to MOVE" as I look at the blisters), put the lighter away, and say "look - did you pick the 3 of hearts" as I show them the card blister. I "think" I prefer having the blisters already supposedly there. Obviously it is best to only do this effect (stand alone) or do this effect at the end of your set (as if they didn't notice the blisters) as you don't want them to later notice the blisters are gone. I then do Chris' idea of pouring some cold water over my fingers.

I've also been starting with the wonderful thumb through ear that Jeff McBride teaches at the start of his new set Magic at The Edge. As I pull my thumb out of the ear I comment on what happened a few days ago and go from there as described above.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (Jun 1, 2008 06:38PM)
I do think it is beter to show them that they are there before. Though blisters can show up after seconds, it depends on the heat, and most people know that they won't just show up that quickly. So I show them supposedly there before...however, people will believe it either way
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 1, 2008 07:15PM)
Tim, I REALLY like Patrick Wolford's idea of having the blisters there in the first place. I'm going to incorporate that into my routine. I think it's this type of subtlety that makes this effect even stronger. Thanks very much for sharing that!
Message: Posted by: Robert M (Jun 1, 2008 09:49PM)
I performed this a couple times this weekend, and both times I got the same response... "That's creepy!! How did you do that??"

This *is* a shocking effect!

Robert
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jun 1, 2008 11:27PM)
Hi Robert. Glad you are getting use from Branded.

The card blister effects are not really eye candy magic like 3 Fly, Self Tying Shoelace, etc. but as you note, it generates a real creepy feel/effect on your audience. Thus it has a long lasting impact.

Thanks for the feedback.

Tim
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jun 2, 2008 12:56AM)
I thought the part of the gimmick to create the "normal" blisters was unnecessary and took away what would have been an extra force/revelation. The normal blister could have been very easily obtained by the opening which are on all the bic lighters. They make perfect "normal" blisters. Grrr.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jun 2, 2008 02:03AM)
Hi Kissdadookie. We considered that option but quite frankly getting the normal blister from the top of the Bic lighter just doesn't look as good. If you look closely, part of the opening where the flame comes out is a flat/straight surface and also you have edges which just don't allow as strong of an image (the surrounding area has to be flat for maximum results). Also, handling wise it just didn't feel right going all over the lighter. Certainly the opening is good impromptu place for the standard blister effect and Greg Wilson and a few others have played with this idea. I personally don't feel one needs a wide range of choices on the card. I always just carry the mini Bic. I think it is more important to maximize the look of the morph as opposed to more card choices. But DO consider your suggestion for impromptu standard blister effects (also check out the Blister Book by Jack Tillar for other ideas) as it is a good way to do it with nothing extra.

Thanks.

Tim
Message: Posted by: magic-upclose (Jun 2, 2008 04:32AM)
Does anyone else think the "3" is hard to read for spectators?
Message: Posted by: Magic Enhancer (Jun 2, 2008 08:26AM)
I received this yesterday and must say it is absolutely wonderful. I love it. It finally answers all the card blister problems (pocketry, etc)

If you don't have this, get it. You will really blow people away......

Buy from Tim directly too and support the creators :)

Robert Haas
Message: Posted by: Rich B. (Jun 2, 2008 12:25PM)
They are all hard to read for the spectators. It just the nature of the effect. The king of clubs leaves the best impression in my opinion.

Rich B.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jun 2, 2008 12:49PM)
The 3 looks fine to me. The fonts are all actually pretty nice and they are BIG which is another nice thing about it. Very visible and pretty much no chance of the spectator not being able to see it (unless you have barely any flesh on your fingers or you didn't create a deep enough blister).
Message: Posted by: magic-upclose (Jun 2, 2008 12:59PM)
Ok thanks I will test it out some more, I've only used the 3 because I prefer the smaller gimmick anyways.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jun 2, 2008 02:37PM)
Also consider the suggestion on the DVD about other symbols... the heart represents a heart obviously and the 3 can come up as a W, M, or E (thanks Dan White).

See http://magic.about.com/od/magicreview/fr/053108branded.htm I'd recommend keeping on eye on the reviews that are done on this site as Wayne is very thorough and does an excellent job. I am honored he enjoyed Branded.

Tim
Message: Posted by: nique (Jun 2, 2008 08:43PM)
The K and the 3 give me the best impressions. The 7 always comes out a bit dodgy for me for some reason. Love the Club - looks great, especially after they've seen it to be a round blister just awhile ago! With the regular sized gimmick and with pressing so hard, I needed to learn how to angle my fingers properly to just get the impression I'm going for and not get a hint of the next one below or above it.

And as mentioned, it's not an eye candy effect - it's just like a slow "woah..." from people. Great stuff. Really adds variety to the act.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jun 3, 2008 01:54AM)
Thanks guys. Glad you are enjoying it. If I can offer any assistance, answer any concerns, etc. please e-mail me privately as I want to ensure all purchasers are completely happy.

Tim
Message: Posted by: HuronLow (Jun 3, 2008 05:45AM)
Tim, I loved this the second I received it. I think the improvement of having the gimmick so out in the open yet so subtly concealed is absolutely brilliant. The additional ideas provided in the DVD were wonderful as well. This is one hell of a quality product.
Thank you!

Huron Low
Message: Posted by: zing82 (Jun 3, 2008 06:11AM)
Hi Huron,

I'm a fellow Singaporean too, and I believe the Bic lighters are a little to find over here. Did you happened to got yourself some? If you did, where did you get it?

Cheers
Alvin
Message: Posted by: nique (Jun 3, 2008 06:33AM)
I found some suitable lighters in both sizes at a regular provision shop. Just look for those with round bases - I don't even think what I am using are of the "Bic" brand. I just brought the gaffs along with me and tried them on for size and bought two suitable ones.

Also, while I'm sure it'll help, I'm not using black lighters; couldn't find them. Will switch if I find them, but till then what I've found works well.
Message: Posted by: zing82 (Jun 3, 2008 07:42AM)
Thanks nique!!
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jun 4, 2008 02:12PM)
Andrew Gerard (buy his Psyche DVD- great!) just wrote and advised he's been using and getting great response with Branded. Andrew gave me permission to share an idea of his I am looking forward to trying. "I found if you squeeze your thumb the blister goes red along with your thumb, then release pressure and the blister visually "appears". It looks amazing. I have done it this way a number of times now... people have been screaming and freaking out !"

Tim
Message: Posted by: Jsmith45 (Jun 4, 2008 02:21PM)
So the redness hides the blister until you're ready to reveal? Interesting appraoch.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jun 4, 2008 03:42PM)
Just got mines. I have to say, this is really a great improvement over all of the other versions out there (even though I was a true believer of Pyro Perception). My mini-bic gimmick came a little funky on the corner of the gimmick though, looks like a wacky mold line issue. Hope it doesn't start cracking at that corner. Love mines though! Great job Tim and Gregory!
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jun 4, 2008 05:10PM)
Kissdadookie... please contact me via e-mail at timtrono@aol.com and I will ensure you get a replacement on me - want to stand behind my product 110%. Thanks for the kind feedback. Glad you like it.

Tim
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jun 4, 2008 11:33PM)
Excellent customer service Tim! You along with Ben Harris and Gregory Wilson receives my humblest appreciation (had an issue with a product from Greg and he fixed it for me lickity split and the same with Ben).
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jun 5, 2008 01:02AM)
Her are some initial thoughts on Branded:

I've performed this a couple of times today and I must say, this is very very good. I love Gregory Wilson's handling where he reveals each blister individually. The way the gimmick is made also allows you to easily get a deeper and more pronounced blister than what was possible with Pyro Perception. The idea of making two normal blisters is explained on the DVD but I fee personally feel that though this would NOT be overkill, the fact that you have two perfect circle shaped blisters of the same size just does not look natural. I personally show only one normal blister which morphs after going through the flame the second time. No real need to justify how another blister formed on the other finger, you've already sold them on the first normal blister, no need to explain further. I'm still trying to streamline my performance with Branded and I must say, it feels very strange after having used Pyro Perception regularly for over 2 years.

Here's something that I've been playing around with:
Whenever I perform this my patter starts with "By the way, what is your name?" This is to see if their name starts with the letter E, M, or W. If their name does, I skip the card blister effect and just go straight into morphing the blister to their first initial. Though Gregory suggests that you find out the person's name before hand, I like to work a little more "off the cuff."
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jun 5, 2008 02:19PM)
Thanks for the feedback and comments.

Yeah, I'm torn on the 2 or 1 round blisters and totally get your point - originally I was doing it as you suggest.

BTW... you may also want to try the Voodoo Card trick we talk about on the DVD. Many will overlook it due to the simplicity but it plays VERY strong.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 5, 2008 02:37PM)
A wonderful force is Cody Fisher's In-Jog Riffle Force from his Real magic For Real People DVD. It's very deceptive. You riffle down and exactly where they stop you is where the force card will be. And the DVD is one fo the best made, perofrmed live at The Magic Castle.

The Voodoo Card that Greg Wilson teaches is over the top good. I don't even know why it's on the DVD as it's a different effect than Branded.

Please try it out because the reactions you get will be a surprise to even you. It was to me. I liked it as soon as Greg performed it, but I didn't expect the reactions to be as strong as they are. I thought they would be very good, but more of an excited, fun "how did you do that" response. Instead I'm getting the spooky, little gasps.
Message: Posted by: Krazyjay (Jun 5, 2008 03:39PM)
Hello Everyone,
I have a question can the secptator handle the lighter.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 5, 2008 03:42PM)
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On 2008-06-05 15:39, Krazyjay wrote:
Hello Everyone,
I have a question can the secptator handle the lighter.
[/quote]

Sure, if the gimmick isn't on it ( I'm not trying to be funny ). Were you constructing a routine where you wanted them to handle the lighter?
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jun 5, 2008 04:23PM)
Guy Hollingworth has a similar effect where as a card gets mutilated the same happens to it's pair in the deck.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jun 5, 2008 07:16PM)
Yes, Guy's effect (also included in Art of Astonishment books and in the intro to Guy's book Drawing Room Deceptions) is superb and I've used it. The version here is just a bit more straightforward . Guy's routine involves 3 phases whereas this is one super clean phase. But Guy's is really excellent and strongly recommended (fooled me the first time I saw it yet is almost self working).

The reason we included this version of the Voodoo Card is that we wanted to include an effect you can do prior to Branded with the lighter for those who want to have it in play a bit beforehand.

Thanks.


Tim
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 5, 2008 08:25PM)
Tim, I'm glad you guys decided to include the Voodoo Card effect because it puts the magic in their hand and the reactions to it are up there with any card effect I've ever performed.
Message: Posted by: Krazyjay (Jun 5, 2008 08:35PM)
Chris,
No I was trying to figure out if they can light the lighter for me to produce the blisters. If that makes sense.
Thanks
Message: Posted by: toberman (Jun 5, 2008 10:26PM)
To those who have not purchased Branded yet. I have to tell you first hand that this absolutely kills! If you do any close-up magic this belongs in your act.

Sometimes we read a lot of hype here on the Café about various products and after a while we become sceptical. Every glowing remark you have read about this product is true. The reactions I am getting are fantastic.

You receive 2 high quality gimmicks, an excellent DVD and superior support. What more could you ask for?

Okay, you've read 5 pages of opinions. Now, stop reading and go buy this!
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jun 5, 2008 10:30PM)
Krazyjay, with a little work, you can technically hand them the lighter for them to light up. The downsides to this would really be the fact that you will be left dirty until you get the lighter back from the. Thankfully, the period which you are dirty, the work has been done, so holding out of the gimmick is really a none issue.

PS: Thanks a lot Tim! Greatly appreciated!
Message: Posted by: Krazyjay (Jun 5, 2008 10:45PM)
Thanks kissdadookie. I just placed my order. I already own pyro perception and it kills.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jun 5, 2008 11:30PM)
Being able to morph the regular blister to the card blisters will give you another solid layer of amazement Krazyjay, you're going to enjoy this!
Message: Posted by: Jessiah (Jun 6, 2008 01:44AM)
I performed Branded at a party recently and had a great reaction!

I showed this couple the regular blister at the beginning... the girl was giving me all kinds of medical tips to take care of the blister! She was really concerned for me!

Then I went into the rest of the effect... and it was great! They really believed it was a miracle type of situation :) This blister that obviously hurts, now looks like their card!?

I suggest people really hyping up the original blister, and maybe asking for some home remedies and such ;) It really throws them off. I carry branded everywhere!
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jun 6, 2008 02:20AM)
Thanks Jesse (the new DVDs by you are great... it finally allows us to see how good these items you created look)! Glad you are using Branded and getting the great reactions. It's hard to stress how strong this simple thing plays... it's way out of proportion to the (almost no) work involved. I think this is because it allows you to concentrate on the presentation, on building it up, etc. - you are not focused on the next "move". You just have to try it.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Jessiah (Jun 6, 2008 04:27PM)
I'm so excited about the DVDs too, thanks so much Tim!!! I've got like 4 more coming soon...

Yeah, Branded is so simple, and it kills!

I actually had this guy hold the lighter for me during the performance ;) I had someone else select the card, and I just took the lighter back and proceeded into the effect! They never new :)

And just the other day, this girl I know asked to borrow a ligher. I had my Branded with me. I didn't bother removing the gaff, I just handed the whole thing to her. She looked at the lighter for a split second like "hm, whats this", and I watched for a reaction. She knows I'm a magician ;) Nope, just thought it was a cool lighter thingy and handed it right back. So in a way, yes, Branded is examinable. People just don't know what to look for!
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 6, 2008 07:36PM)
How about a mental "B'wave" with Branded? You know, "Imagine the four kings. Choose the red kings or the black kings. OK, toss the red kings aside. Of the two black kings, chose spades or clubs. OK, toss the spade away and concentrate on the king of clubs"...

Take out the lighter and go into Branded by having them gaze into the flame, imagining their card.

I haven't routined it or tried it, but it may play pretty good.

I mention this 'cause I wouldn't leave the house without Branded in my pocket, but you might not always have cards.
Message: Posted by: Jessiah (Jun 6, 2008 08:11PM)
I really like that idea Chris! One of my favorite effects is B'wave :) That idea of elimination gave me an idea too... Kinda simple though...

Basically, you have 6 different things to f****. 3 out of the 4 suits... and 3 random cards. And you don't have to do both fingers with a blister, you could just show one real blister, and make it change into any suit named for instance. Or if your skilled, you could have them name A of hearts, diamonds, or clubs and nail it every time... just a thought ;)
Message: Posted by: toberman (Jun 7, 2008 01:02AM)
Hey Chris, I like your thoughts on doing this without a deck but I think the impact on the spectator is greater when he thinks he had a free choice out of 52 vs. 4. Just my opinion. As you mentioned earlier in this thread, I also use a one way forcing deck with an indifferent card on the bottom. It's such a strong, fair looking force and I can focus entirely on presentation.

Terry
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 7, 2008 01:49AM)
[quote]
On 2008-06-07 01:02, toberman wrote:
Hey Chris, I like your thoughts on doing this without a deck but I think the impact on the spectator is greater when he thinks he had a free choice out of 52 vs. 4. Just my opinion. As you mentioned earlier in this thread, I also use a one way forcing deck with an indifferent card on the bottom. It's such a strong, fair looking force and I can focus entirely on presentation.

Terry
[/quote]

Terry, I agree about using the deck and making it a random choice. I love this gimmick so much, I just started thinking, ok, I don't have a deck, but I have a miracle in my pocket ( careful folks ). Can I make a mentalism routine that has impact. It might fall flat and not be as strong and not worth the effort, or...anyway, I'm tempted to try it. We'll see.

And the forcing deck does allow 100% concentration on the presentation.

Thanks!

Chris
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jun 7, 2008 02:21PM)
I've not read all the responses but let me say that magician forheads must be being slapped around the globe as people see these wonderful items. Blister is a great effect, one of my favorites, and Tim's product puts in your hands the perfect method of getting where you need to be and uses the 'hide in plain site' idea to great benefit. Outstanding product and the DVD instructions are top flight.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jun 7, 2008 05:38PM)
Here are some additional handling ideas that I've been playing with:

I've been thinking about situations where I would be in, with cards, without cards, etc. etc. Let's get to my with cards two phase routine:

Start off forcing two cards to two separate spectators. Mess up the blister reveal with the first spectator, show the regular blister, attempt and succeed with the second spectator. Now, you can ditch the lighter as it is not needed anymore and you will change the method for the reveal. You will need a Psychic Mystery watch for this. Perform the Psychic Mystery watch on the spectator you succeed on with the blister. That spectator will miraculously read the mind of the other spectator you initially failed on. Voila, now you're super clean and nobody remembers the lighter.

Here's some thoughts on a deckless version of branded. Four outcomes are possible, first is that you don't hit anything but have given yourself a blister (thus, go on to your next effect, no harm no foul), second is that you hit the number and the suit, third is you hit the number only, fourth is you hit the suit (in which you are actually able to hit two different suits as the heart can act as a spade). If you have the gimmick and have played with it, you don't really need any further instructions. Enjoy folks.
Message: Posted by: Douglas Lippert (Jun 8, 2008 02:15AM)
Somehow I don't see your deckless version playing very strong. But,if someone comes up with a way to "blister" all 52 cards of the deck and make it "fit" on the lighter....I'd be the first one ready to buy. Perhaps, I will try to come up with something. Hope that inspires someone.

(I do own Branded, Third Degree Burn, Pyro Perception...etc..and I REALLY love the fact that the gimmick is now on the lighter and not in the pants). Thumbs up for that.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jun 8, 2008 02:52AM)
The deckless version plays very well actually as this was the version I used throughout the day since I had no cards on me. It's basically a multiple out. If you are well versed in mentalism then you would understand that impact is not always based on hitting the outcome 100%. 100% sometimes detracts from an effect as it will not be a question of "how did he/she know" asked in the context of puzzle of sorts. Now when they name, let's say, 6 of hearts and then you show that you have somehow created a blister of just the heart, you emphasize that though you did not get the 6 to form, you did get the heart, you will totally floor your spectator.

As a further note, I personally though Third Degree Burn was rubbish, too cumbersome and the reaction is no better than Pyro Perception or Branded.
Message: Posted by: Andi Peters (Jun 8, 2008 06:37AM)
Can you make a blister appear on the spectators finger if you tell them to hold the lighter tight enough?
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 8, 2008 07:04AM)
[quote]
On 2008-06-08 02:52, kissdadookie wrote:
The deckless version plays very well actually as this was the version I used throughout the day since I had no cards on me.
[/quote]

Of course it does. You know that because you performed it. Don't listen to "guys" that don't leave their living room on what works and what doesn't in the real world.
Message: Posted by: APC (Jun 8, 2008 07:57AM)
I think if I was to go a gaffed route, I'd probably use a Svengali, just because I like being able to show different cards, but you can get some incredible forces and then focus on the later and more important presentation. Once I get some money,this will very likely be my first purchase. Looks great Tim!

Adam
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jun 8, 2008 12:37PM)
Again I didn't read everything but there are some non-card work you can do with the gimmick and it also is set up to do the standard blister effect. Getting a specific card into someones head can be done via forces, gaffed decks, using mentalism methods, all kinds of fun stuff. Want to use a one way forcing deck but show differnt cards? Do a few card tricks and switch it out, much easier than many think it is to do.

Andi, I wouldn't suggest trying to get the blister on another persons finger. For those thinking that the gimmick will be noted should know that similar items for decorative uses and for lighter identification have been used ever since the lighter was invented many moons ago.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jun 8, 2008 02:22PM)
In all honesty, briefly flashing the dirty sides of the lighter has not resulted in my spectators catching on thus far. If there was a Q of hearts, the mental forces will involve even less work. If you use the full size lighter gimmick, you have a relatively sure fire psychological force to work with as you do have the 7 on that one ;)
Message: Posted by: Jessiah (Jun 8, 2008 04:53PM)
My mini Branded was a little loose, I might have dropped it and chipped away some of that plastic on the bottom. To fix it, its super easy!

Just put a strip of tape around the lighter, and push it back into the Branded gaff. A nice snug fit :)
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jun 8, 2008 05:10PM)
I tip that shouldn't need to be made...use black lighters.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jun 8, 2008 05:46PM)
An advantage of having the gimmick fit loosely (not slippery loose, but loose) is it helps facilitate removing the lighter in case you want to hand the lighter out.
Message: Posted by: Robert M (Jun 8, 2008 08:19PM)
[quote]
On 2008-06-08 17:46, kissdadookie wrote:
An advantage of having the gimmick fit loosely (not slippery loose, but loose) is it helps facilitate removing the lighter in case you want to hand the lighter out.
[/quote]

I just carry a spare black lighter in my pocket with the "Branded" lighter, which solves the problem.

Robert
Message: Posted by: Jessiah (Jun 8, 2008 09:42PM)
[quote]
On 2008-06-08 17:46, kissdadookie wrote:
An advantage of having the gimmick fit loosely (not slippery loose, but loose) is it helps facilitate removing the lighter in case you want to hand the lighter out.
[/quote]

Totally true :) Good point. I just noticed that my lighter would actually push through the bottom when I tried to light it... so one piece of tape around the lighter and it fit nice and snug... the less tape, the easier it is to slip the lighter out...
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jun 8, 2008 09:52PM)
Wow, thought you just had a loose fitting gimmick, now I understand, yours is actually going through. LoL. That's definitely not good, did it hit concrete? The design of the gimmick has a smaller bottom opening then the size of the bottom of the lighter.
Message: Posted by: Jessiah (Jun 9, 2008 03:09AM)
Oh, yeah I've been using mine all the time! And I've certainly dropped it a couple of times so it's had its wear and tear :) a tiny bit of the plastic chipped away, so it was pushing through a little. So a little tape and its like brand new :) I recommend a thick tape like transparent tape or gift wrap tape. Scotch tape seems to scrunch up and wear out quickly...
Message: Posted by: Douglas Lippert (Jun 9, 2008 04:58AM)
Thinking about making a gimmick for a Zippo lighter.
Message: Posted by: Joshua Barrett (Jun 9, 2008 11:49AM)
I like the zippo idea that would be a cool extra I would buy if it ever came to pass.

Anyway, I like this alot. I don't normally like card revelation tricks but this one really cuts the mustard, and the creative method makes it easy. its a very large plus that this elimnates having to carry a extra prop. (i carry a lighter anyways)
Message: Posted by: spencerpeterson (Jun 9, 2008 12:54PM)
Ive been using this a lot lately, and the reactions are always great!!
Its great, if youre the kind of person who just carries a deck on them doesn't want to do cheesy card tricks
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 9, 2008 03:28PM)
I guess Tim would have to know how many people would want a gimmick for a certain brand of lighter. Getting molds done can be expensive and if only a few want them for zippos ( I love those lighters )it may not be worth it. Good to ask though.

I'm so impressed with the thougth that went into this project. Providing a large and small gimmick was so smart. And the DVD provides such good information.

And...that voodoo card trick Greg Wilson showed is killer. I'm so glad they included it.
Message: Posted by: meyegr (Jun 10, 2008 10:51AM)
Tim, are you going to have any way to replace just the gimmick (either one), just in case one breaks?

the thing is built like a tank, but things do happen
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jun 10, 2008 10:30PM)
If it breaks e-mail me as I stand behind my product 100 percent.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Josho (Jun 11, 2008 12:31PM)
Here's the presentation I've been using. It's somewhat akin to the "pain" idea on the DVD, but it gives it a more solid-sounding base. I talk about the book "Blink," that puts forward the notion that sometimes the smartest decisions are made in an instant. I go on to say (weaving in my own BS here, unless the person has READ the book!) that the same mechanisms that are responsible for releasing a well-timed flood of adrenalin in a fight-or-flight situation (such as when you hear about people lifting a car to rescue an accident victim) are also responsible for releasing a flood of neurotransmitters. This rush of neurotransmitters allows us to make many more synaptic connections than we normally would, allowing us to get in touch, momentarily, with parts of our brain that are usually dormant. The sudden involvement in a life-or-death situation, or a sudden injury or shock, can trigger this kind of heightened thinking and awareness. Such as...

You know where it goes from here. Somehow, it took more words to explain it here than it takes in real life...perhaps because as I start to talk, I find people start filling in the blanks themselves, which I invite.

--Josh
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 11, 2008 03:52PM)
Josh, I'd have to see that perfomed and the reaction it got as I think most people in a performer/spectator scenario would struggle to grasp what you're getting at. Do you actually say "synaptic connections"? It sounds more like a college professor on a PBS talk show, than a Magician causing a chosen card to reveal itself in the form of a blister.
Message: Posted by: Josho (Jun 11, 2008 04:39PM)
Chris,

Well, I don't perform at restaurants -- these days, I perform mostly at parties and for friends. The crowds tend to be over 35, well-read and college-educated. I definitely don't *always* say "synaptic connections," but given the number of adults on anti-depressants, and/or into science fiction, nothing I'm saying is really beyond their ken.

I like to give a build-up that SOUNDS like it just MIGHT be plausible. And to do that, I have to sound like I know what I'm talking about. As I said, I'm BSing.

My persona is one of an educated person who's studied the vagaries of the mind (pretty much my whole repertoire is mentalism). So it suits me fine, certainly a lot better than a vanilla presentation (as in, "Here, I'm going to try to predict your card by sticking my fingers in this lighter").

--Josh
Message: Posted by: Josho (Jun 11, 2008 05:08PM)
BTW, I want to add this: my point is really that the effect (or, at least, the "pain" line of patter suggested on the DVD) ties in very neatly with "Blink," which was a phenomenally successful book.

Re: the scientific gobbledygook. My 2-year-old just sat down to watch "Blue's Clues" on Noggin, the "preschool" channel that's an offshoot of Nickelodeon. The show started with an announcement (and accompanying screen) that said, "Blue's Clues may increase your child's metacognition."

My lines are relatively tame by comparison!

--Josh
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 11, 2008 05:16PM)
Josh, I get you. I have a G.E.D. and perform for, well....at these parties you perform at I'm the guy that says " Mr. Mandel, I've brought your car around".

You know your audinece and that's what counts. I think you can launch into Newtonian theory in a routine if it fits your character, audience, etc.

Thanks for posting your ideas!!

Chris
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jun 11, 2008 11:36PM)
I was very fortunate to see David Copperfield's WONDERFUL show in Vegas while I was at the LVMI convention. I've seen the show many times but it never ceases to amaze me at how wonderful it is in every respect- the magic, the production, the music, etc. If you have not seen David's show you are missing out on an event you will never forget. While there David asked to get together for a moment after the show and he made a really very nice comment about Branded as did Chris Kenner. I was quite honored to have these 2 icons of magic acknowledge Branded, comment on how much they liked it, and be so hospitable.

On my way back from Vegas I received another nice endorsement from Andrew Mayne.

I am really grateful for this feedback (and those on this post) from people I truly respect.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jun 13, 2008 05:03PM)
I have some new ideas, handlings, etc. on Branded that I will post when I return. I am just heading to New Mexico for a vacation and will not have much computer access. I hope I'll meet/see some of you at IBM/SAM in July as well.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Robert M (Jun 13, 2008 08:37PM)
[quote]
On 2008-06-11 23:36, Tim Trono wrote:
I was very fortunate to see David Copperfield's WONDERFUL show in Vegas while I was at the LVMI convention. I've seen the show many times but it never ceases to amaze me at how wonderful it is in every respect- the magic, the production, the music, etc. If you have not seen David's show you are missing out on an event you will never forget. While there David asked to get together for a moment after the show and he made a really very nice comment about Branded as did Chris Kenner. I was quite honored to have these 2 icons of magic acknowledge Branded, comment on how much they liked it, and be so hospitable.

I am really grateful for this feedback (and those on this post) from people I truly respect.

Tim
[/quote]

Wow. That's what I call an endorsement!

Robert
Message: Posted by: taller8 (Jun 14, 2008 01:49AM)
Josh,

I'm going to try your presentation as soon as I ratchet my IQ up a few notches.
I love your statement "Here, I'm going to try to predict your card by sticking my fingers in this lighter").

It made me realize how much this effect needs a proper verbal presentation.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jun 15, 2008 03:56PM)
Tim sent me one of these as a pre-release item.

I'll be writing it up in MUM very shortly; however, I wanted to state this here.

First of all, I never liked Pyro Perception. I felt that the effect strained the credible. Branded changed that. The idea of the morph makes a lot more sense than just having a blister in the shape of the card index pieces appear on the fingertips.

There were three things that really appealed to me, though

1) The props are well made and easy to use.
2) The DVD teaches how to do the presentation(s) well.
3) THE BIG ONE -- Tim tracked down the origins, showed it to the originator, and got not only his permission, but his endorsement. If more producers of magic these days did this one small thing, we would have a much better environment for creativity.

Not so obviously, nobody can teach the purchaser showmanship or timing. These are things that you either have or you don't have. If you have a little bit of a gift for them, they can be honed into something better. But if you have any gift at all for these things, you can turn this in to a miracle.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jun 16, 2008 02:31PM)
Thanks Bill. Glad you liked Branded. I felt it was very important to get Jack's permission and to include a thorough history. After Jack gave his blessing, I also decided to do a royalty to Jack as he deserves it for starting the whole blister effect.

I just received a very nice e-mail from Wayne Houchin, Carl Andrews, and several other great performers commenting that they are now using Branded. I am glad that those people who are getting it are enjoying it and actually USING it.

Tim (on vacation in New Mexico)
Message: Posted by: nabil (Jun 18, 2008 05:55AM)
Just got Branded, and thought I'd write about it since no one else has, LOL.

Well, umm, it's freaking great. There. See, who said being a reviewer is tough?

Seriously though, this is a wonderful product. Really smart gimmick. Great DVD with lots of wonderful ideas on it. Greg Wilson makes learning fun, as always. And my favorite part: ANIMATION!!! Can't believe he's still going out there. Spent a whole summer watching and learning from the street performers out there, and he was the king. BACK-SLIDE!!! BACK-SLIDE!!! Anyways, yeah...get Branded. It's seriously good.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 18, 2008 12:01PM)
I carry the mini Bic everyday. I keep the larger lighter in my car. This is too good not to have on you and nearby.

And Greg Wilson's Voodoo card trick from the DVD may be one of the most powerful effect you'll do. It's done with cards, but it's not a card trick. Try it once. People freak on it.
Message: Posted by: Jay Crowe (Jun 18, 2008 07:50PM)
I used to carry a regular bic to perform the older versions, so Branded is "two in one". It's great and saves pocket space.
magicians who overlook the blister on the finger effects don't know what they are missing. Branded is powerfull.
Message: Posted by: drjohn (Jun 19, 2008 05:36AM)
Got my Branded today and it was shattered into several pieces, hmmm doesn't bode well. I have all the previous versions of this effect using metal gimmicks that don't break. although I think the handling on this is going to be better and more logical, the other versions are metal and will last a lifetime. I think this is a fine effect spoilt by shoddy and fragile props. Shame.
Message: Posted by: chappelly (Jun 19, 2008 08:23AM)
Mine came in the DVD case.Someone must have stood on yours.Was the DVD broken as well?
I agree that metal would be better.However the blister that this creates is pretty good.

Chappelly
Message: Posted by: Joshua Barrett (Jun 19, 2008 10:10AM)
I don;t think metal would be better. it would be a bit more obvious.

things happen during shipping. Tim has been good on replacing any defects if you look at other pages of this thread.
Message: Posted by: Dmann (Jun 19, 2008 02:48PM)
Hey Joshua,
How you been? I have to agree with you.
[quote]
On 2008-06-19 10:10, Joshua Barrett wrote:
I don;t think metal would be better. it would be a bit more obvious.
things happen during shipping. Tim has been good on replacing any defects if you look at other pages of this thread.
[/quote]
Murphy's Magic is one of the best Suppliers of Magic to come along in a very long time. I can assure you Mr. Trono will not sleep till all customers are taken care of. Just contact him.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jun 19, 2008 04:42PM)
[quote]
On 2008-06-08 06:37, Andi Peters wrote:
Can you make a blister appear on the spectators finger if you tell them to hold the lighter tight enough?
[/quote]

Yes. Of course you can. But this only works if you make sure the spectator cannot see or feel anything. By the same token, you can hand a Svengali deck out for examination...if you don't mind letting the spectator know how the deck works.

Sarcasm off.

No, of course you can't.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 19, 2008 06:03PM)
[quote]
On 2008-06-19 05:36, drjohn wrote:
Got my Branded today and it was shattered into several pieces, hmmm doesn't bode well. I have all the previous versions of this effect using metal gimmicks that don't break. although I think the handling on this is going to be better and more logical, the other versions are metal and will last a lifetime. I think this is a fine effect spoilt by shoddy and fragile props. Shame.

[/quote]

Things break. Props, cars, people. Tim Trono stands behind the product 100%. Please e-mail him: timtrono@aol.com

See below

[quote]
On 2008-06-04 17:10, Tim Trono wrote:
Kissdadookie... please contact me via e-mail at timtrono@aol.com and I will ensure you get a replacement on me - want to stand behind my product 110%. Thanks for the kind feedback. Glad you like it.

Tim
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: shaunproof (Jun 20, 2008 08:30PM)
Has anyone else had durability problems? Has this chipped or broken for anyone else?
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jun 21, 2008 12:11AM)
John did not write but I wrote to him and advised I am happy to replace his set on me obviously as I stand behind my product 110%. This goes out to anyone who has any issues with Branded. Unfortunately with ANY manufactured item there will be SOME defective units, breakages in shipping, etc. It's just part of life but I certainly will take care of ANY problems so don't even hesitate to contact me directly. This is the first issue I have received after many many units but rest assured if you get this you can count on me standing behind my product.

I/we see metal items damaged all of the time so unfortunately that is not the answer. When Mark Allen and I were looking into the manufacturing of Branded we examined various materials and were advised against making it in metal due to the look, the lack of control of good strong images/blisters, etc. I have used mine extensively and it’s taken a beating and is still in perfect shape.

BTW… Wayne Houchin has authorized me to pass on his comments after receiving Branded:

“I find it a fantastically practical application of the classic effect. Very well done - Unlike 99.9% of the material that is released onto the market, this is something that I will use in my personal, professional - walk around act.” – Wayne Houchin

Thanks Wayne and all.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jun 21, 2008 12:49AM)
BTW… check out Wayne’s “Control” DVD. He has a wonderful discussion on the DVD of building up effects and his thoughts about this are very appropriate to Branded.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 21, 2008 01:03AM)
Not having cards, I have now used the B'wave patter several times. For me, I found it worked perfectly.

How I go into it is..."I wanted to show you something, but I burned myself and have trouble using cards ( I show them the blisters )".

"I can't use a an actual deck of cards, but we can use your imagination". I then going into B'wave using the kings.

It has a different vibe to it. It's definately more of a mentalist routine, but I don't feel Branded is really a card trick anyway. The blisters morphing is what gets the reactions, at least in my experiences, so far.
Message: Posted by: toberman (Jun 22, 2008 01:30AM)
Here is another suggestion for using Branded without cards. To those who have David Regal's new book, Approaching Magic (if you don't, I HIGHLY recommend it), there is a great effect in there called Hotel 52. It allows you to force any card on a spectator using equivoque with the theme of cards burning up in a hotel. You can easily include the lighter (fire) and the resulting blister. I think this is a very strong combination of effects.

Terry
Message: Posted by: niva (Jun 25, 2008 02:39PM)
Sorry, but I don't want to read the whole 7 pages of anticipation.

All I would like to know is whether this effect produces one card or several. I guess one right?

Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 25, 2008 02:51PM)
[quote]
On 2008-06-25 14:39, niva wrote:
Sorry, but I don't want to read the whole 7 pages of anticipation.

All I would like to know is whether this effect produces one card or several. I guess one right?

Thanks.
[/quote]

2 gimmicks. One is for a mini Bic ligther and that has one card revelation. The larger gimmick for ..the large Bic has 3 revelations on it ( one of which is the same as on the mini version ).
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (Jun 25, 2008 03:50PM)
I performed this to a bar full of Magicians yesterday and it killed! Not only that, but I would also say it was my best performance yet of it. The trick is brilliant, and I haven't had any problems of performing this every week and not getting any damage on it. Just leave the lighter in all the time and there isn't much of a way it can get damaged
Message: Posted by: Bobby Forbes (Jun 25, 2008 05:19PM)
I finally performed this for some guys at work. I used the normal sized one. It freakin killed lol. Didn't expect it to hit so hard. I didn't plan on performing it, but after a card was selected, I got my peak and it turned out to be 3 of hearts. Perfect! So I went right into it..there is absolutely no heat on the lighter what so ever. So my guilt went away immediately. Later that day, they wanted to see my finger, they were actually a little freaked that the blister was gone lol.

Tim, great job with Branded. It takes up no space in the pocket and it's always ready to go.. Very convenient. Packs small and plays big. Just the kind of stuff I like.

For anyone that is on the fence about getting this, just get it. You'll love it, and of course Tim's Customer service is second to none. He takes care of you. You'll have no questions after dealing with him.

Great product! I'm very satisfied.

Oh and Mr. Kavanagh, I love the B'Wave patter idea..do you mind??
Message: Posted by: niva (Jun 25, 2008 05:50PM)
Thanks for the help Christopher!

Do I need to buy bic lighters or do they come with the effect as well?
Message: Posted by: Bobby Forbes (Jun 25, 2008 06:23PM)
You'll have to pic up your own lighters.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jun 25, 2008 08:24PM)
Thanks Bobby and Christopher!!! Glad you enjoyed it.

A review of Branded just went up on Jeff Stone's great site http://www.stonecoldmagic.com

Also Michael Close just posted a review and his wonderful (and hilarious) ideas with it on his subscription site at http://www.forworkersonly.com Michael's site is DEFINITELY worth subscribing to for very insightful, honest reviews and wonderful additional ideas.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jun 26, 2008 02:51AM)
Wow. Check out some of Bob Farmer's GREAT ideas with Branded on Michael Close's forum noted above. Really superb thinking and combined with Michael's ideas noted on the forum it is just great.

Tim
Message: Posted by: niva (Jun 26, 2008 07:05AM)
I have two normal bic lighters but will have to pick a small one :(

Hate Malta for not having such brands. >:(
Message: Posted by: Paul Gross (Jun 26, 2008 04:35PM)
Hello,

We are having a great special this weekend on BRANDED. Check it out here
http://www.hocus-pocus.com/magicshop/?product=10067

Best regards
Paul Gross
owner
Hocus Pocus
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jun 27, 2008 05:39PM)
I just got the following from Charlie Frye "LOVE your Branded trick". Charlie is an amazing performer and will have more out in the future. An honor from this creative guy.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jun 30, 2008 03:00AM)
I have been very busy catching up after my recent vacation but will post a few of the new ideas that have been shared about Branded on http://www.brandedmagic.com sometime this week. If you have additional ideas you'd like too share (obviously with full credit) please e-mail me directly at timtrono@aol.com Thanks for all of the support and wonderful comments I have received privately.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 30, 2008 04:25AM)
[quote]
On 2008-06-25 17:19, Bobby Forbes wrote:

Oh and Mr. Kavanagh, I love the B'Wave patter idea..do you mind??
[/quote]

Bobby, please call me Chris and yes, use the B'Wave patter. B'Wave is a powerful effect in its own right, as is Branded. I've been succesful in combining the two. And it works as well with the mini lighter and using "3's".

Jeff McBrides new 3 DVD set "Magic At The Edge" teaches some wonderful techniques for enhancing effects such as Branded.
Message: Posted by: drjohn (Jul 1, 2008 11:51AM)
Hi Guys

Well what can I say!!! In the 15 years I have been buying magic I have not had customer service like this. I bought the effect from an online magic dealer called

http://www.magicmagic.co.uk

I emailed them and have not had any reply so far regarding the broken gimmmicks inside the DVD case when Branded arrived. I also posted a comment here about my dissapointment in the gimmick being made of plastic and being fragile.

. . . . a day later I am contacted by the creator himself who offers to send me replacements. Which he did PROMPTLY!!

How often do we buy Magic that is not properly supported by the creators themselves? I was so happy I nearly fell off my chair when the replacements arrived.

Can't wait now to give this effect a good hammering in the real world, I feel confident that I got a 'bad' batch and the gimmick is resilient to real world use so here goes . . .

A very happy Dr John
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jul 1, 2008 01:01PM)
I ditto Dr. John's enthusiasm and appreciation for Tim Trono's triple-A service and support :D
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jul 2, 2008 04:12AM)
My pleasure guys! Thanks for the support. I realize there are LOTS of other products you can buy instead so I want to ensure all purchasers are happy in every respect with Branded. Thanks again and let me know directly if you have any issues or if I can help in any way.

BTW... we are working on a new trailer as I am not real happy with the trailer as it exists. I don't think it does justice to the DVD, routine, gimmick, etc.

I also have a question I'd like to get some feedback on. A few people have suggested that I expose/openly show the gimmick to the potential purchasers out there (ex. a picture of it, a clip showing it openly, etc.). Most people actually like Branded more AFTER they get it... in other words, after they receive it they truly realize the practicality, strength, etc. No more gimmicks in the pocket, etc. It makes it doable. Thus theoretically I am very comfortable showing this to anyone truly interested so they can make an informed decision. No one can easily rip it off and I also want to ensure the purchaser can truly use it. I don't want there to be any (bad) surprises by the purchaser. Obviously the concern is that I don't want it exposed to those who shouldn't see it (laymen) as I don't want someone using this and a non magician says "oh that is the XXXX I saw in the picture". I know sometimes Stevens Magic has shown gimmicks in their catalog ads as an example and I personally like that a lot as I feel it helps me make an informed decision but I understand they have received some flack for this. Thoughts?

Tim
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jul 2, 2008 05:16AM)
Tim, I don't think a photo of what they're getting will hurt and have laymen knowing the secret. I still perform salt shaker through table and any other over exposed effect you can think of and I can't remember when anyone mentioned what I was using/how I did it.

Maybe showing the gimmick and a lighter side by side and then another photo with the gimmick in the lighter.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jul 2, 2008 10:46AM)
I doubt that a photo or no photo of the gimmick will really be that dramatic of a difference. Is it safe to say that most people know exacty what they are receiving before they receive it (at least to me, I knew exactly what it is, like seriously, what else could it possibly be)? A better demo clip wouldn't hurt though :P Have you all seen the new Quantum Bender 2.0 video? When I first saw this device live in person, I wasn't very impressed. I later saw the demo video and that made ALL of the difference because I now truly do believe that it is the BEST method for bending a coin. The same can be said of Branded, if a potential customer gets a clear view of the effect from start to finish they will then fully appreciate how fair and open Branded makes the card blister effect become.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jul 2, 2008 07:45PM)
Thanks for the input guys. Would love to hear more input as I don't want to do it then upset people. I am all for giving end consumers as much information as possible so they can make an informed, intelligent buy. I consider the many times I have personally purchased some magic product and then though "oh it's just that?" But magic is about secrets so I want to consider that as well. I want to protect our art. If you bought Branded would you be upset if suddenly pictures of the gimmick popped up on dealer's sites? If you have not purchased it would seeing the gimmick help your decision? A magician from out of town just stopped by Murphy's and had heard about Branded. I showed him what it was and he loved it. He had not really considered what it was and loved the simplicity and practicality of the method.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jul 2, 2008 08:23PM)
Here's from the ad:
Includes gimmicks for BOTH regular and mini Bic Lighters (Bic Lighter NOT included)

While we all have bought magic based on "dealer ads" and opened the box and went "WHAT THE $%#^?" I don't see how that could happen with Branded. You know from the ad, it uses a lighter and that there is a gimmick.

When they open the DVD acse, they see they can see the gimmicks slide over the lighter and is pretty much a stealth gimmick.

But, I know nothing about retail and what works and what doesn't as far as ads. I know I like the ad to be honest and have found that the Branded ad is.
Message: Posted by: Robert M (Jul 2, 2008 09:01PM)
Showing a picture of the gimmick is unnecessary, IMO.

The demo of the Telethought Wallet helped sales, no doubt. "Branded" is another trick where seeing the gimmick actually makes you want to buy it.

But, as someone who spent the $$ for it, I would rather it not be shown.

Robert
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jul 2, 2008 10:19PM)
This may sound odd but see if you can catch my meaning. It is almost too bad Tim Trono came out with this. The reason I say this is Tim is well known and well liked in magic and a lot of people will think the praise of this item is blowing smoke. The simple fact is this is the best item I've seen for doing this trick, which is a great trick, I've encountered. I sometimes forget the item as I don't smoke and today someone had a list and was looking at it and commented "one of these is really hot", I know which one and I had nothing on me to do the dang blister! Forget this is from Tim, if you want to do this trick you won't be dissappointed and you will not end up with this in a box full of magic.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jul 2, 2008 11:38PM)
Thanks guys and thanks MagicSanta. I appreciate the kind words. MagicSanta brings up a really good point overall. I can assure you David Blaine does NOT give quotes (knowingly and with approval) unless he truly believes in something. He is very particular of anything with his name on it as he should be. He's worked incredibly hard to establish his brand. When David first saw Branded he raved about it and actually gave a quote that he ultimately decided to change as the initial quote used an expletive and he felt that that was not in line with his brand (and I'd agree). Unfortunately in the past, people have taken David's general comments as well as those by Paul Harris, etc. and used them out of context, without permission, broken up, etc. Thus many such as Paul, Criss Angel, Keith Barry, and David are VERY careful as of late on what they authorize (though some still use them without approval). I think one of the most revealing quotes comes from Jack Tillar, the original creator of the blister effect. For those who don't know , Jack previously hated the card blister effects - Branded turned him around. I can assure you if I didn't think I had something that people could truly USE I wouldn't waste your time or money putting an item on the market. The market, as we all know, has far far too many releases already. When I decided to release Branded I knew it was something good, something truly usable, and something that was worth putting on the market.

Would love further feedback on the whole very open showing what you get thing. All of the feedback so far has been very helpful. It will help with discussions well beyond Branded as I obviously work with many producers in my job at Murphy's.

Thanks again.

Tim
Message: Posted by: swtrocks (Jul 4, 2008 12:22AM)
Branded is an great effect that I've been having a ton of success with these few days, and I would have gladly paid double the price for it. Tim's customer support was wonderful as well. Fabulous.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jul 4, 2008 05:30PM)
Thanks. Glad you are enjoying it and getting your money's worth. Let me know if you have any problems or issues and I will be happy to take care of them.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (Jul 4, 2008 06:27PM)
I have performed Branded more than ANY other trick in the last month, every week in my club residency. It's great as it is a cocktail bar, so the guys downstairs use lighters for lighting some of the cocktails. I now use the patter than I used to do what they did...but burned myself making a cocktail, so took up performing Magic. I have to say, so far for me personally, the best marketed trick of 2008...will actually post a proper review soon
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jul 4, 2008 09:54PM)
Wow. Thanks Christopher. I really appreciate the feedback. Coming from someone who is using it to make a living is really great. Thanks so much.

BTW... I hope to run into some of you at the upcoming IBM/SAM convention. Obviously we (Murphy's) won't have a booth there as we don't sell retail but will be wandering around the convention.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jul 9, 2008 07:52PM)
I just got a great idea with Branded from Luke Jermay (buy his new EI effect - great) that I will see if it is OK to share... it's really good.

I'm also thinking about having a contest for those who submit videos to me of them using Branded.... more details to follow...

Tim
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jul 11, 2008 01:45PM)
Luke Jermay's ideas are posted on http://brandedmagic.com/page/2/

Daniel Lachman and Andy Amyx are assisting me with a new trailer to better show Branded. It will include a few of the clips from Greg Wilson, etc. I'd imagine we will have that in about a week. Andy is also taking some pictures of the gimmick for those still on the fence. Overall people are happier AFTER they get Branded which is nice as often in magic we get something and are then disappointed ("oh, it's just such and such"). People seem to like the open, easy, and free handling (no pocket work, etc.). Also people are discovering the reactions are FAR out of proportion to the simple handling involved.

I'd like to do a contest to get some footage of some of YOU using Branded. I'm putting the details together on this now and will announce it soon.

Thanks for the support.

Tim
Message: Posted by: bobbyk (Jul 11, 2008 03:01PM)
This is an amazing way to accomplish an amazing effect. Hats off to Tim... It's just one of those things where one wonders to himself..."now why didn't I think of that?"

It's simple, it carries a huge WOW FACTOR, it fits in my pocket and I didn't have to stay up until 3am for several nights in a row to be able to perform it....

Thanks Tim!

Bobby
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jul 11, 2008 05:02PM)
Glad you are enjoying it Bobby.

Chris just sent me a great idea on the Voodoo Card trick taught on the instructional DVD with Branded so will see if I can coax him into sharing it here (and on the Branded site).

Tim
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jul 13, 2008 07:24PM)
Tim,
Received my replacements awhile back but haven't had much time to post here, HATS TOTALLY OFF TO YOU Tim :D You have TRULY gone far and BEYOND the call of duty!

On another note, I find Jermay's presentation interesting but trying to figure out if he makes impressions on first, middle, and ring fingers or if he does it on just the first, ring, and pink (if one of them is on the middle finger, I was playing with it, kind of awkward to make it look like you're not flipping somebody the bird! :P ). Thanks Tim and lets keep the juices flowing here folks!
Message: Posted by: brainman (Jul 14, 2008 02:42AM)
Had the opportunity of playing aroung with the gimmicks and did perform a lot with it.
I owned almost all other blister gimmicks and gizmos on the market - Branded I will use. I got fabulous reactions with it (big golf event - white nights)
Thanks for this great developement Tim! I love "Pocket space" ; )
Best,
T
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jul 14, 2008 04:51PM)
Everyone, here's the routine with the voodoo card trick that I shared with Tim.

My new favorite subject: Greg Wilson's Voodoo Card trick from the Branded DVD. Here's my way of performing it. If you have the DVD, this will be easy to follow.

I force the card ( let's say two of hearts ). If you're uncomfortable with his, just say you want to show them something and you want a card that has room to write on it and just get the two. I've done this and it works just as well for this effect.

There are actually two cards I'll be using. The regular two and under it, a two of hearts with my signature on the face along with a burned mark I made from the lighter.

I sign the face and I raise the deck and blow on the signature to dry it. I then say "let's have you sign the back of the card". I turn the card(s) over and and place them on the deck so they can sign the back.

This next part is all in one fluid motion: I say "now hold out your hand like this" I'm using my right hand to show them how they should hold their hand ( open, palm up ). When the do I slide the top card off the deck and into their hand, face down. This is the card that has my signature and burn mark. Because their signature is on the back, there is no doubt it's the same card.

I tell them to put their index finger of their free hand on top of the card ( so they don't turn over the card prematurely or drop it ).

I find the mate to the chosen signed card and burn the face of the mate. I wave this card above the card in their hand and when I tell them to turn the card over in their hand, their eyes come out of their head, because right there, across the face, that a moment ago only had my signature, now has my signature and the face is also burned, matching the burned mate in my hand.

This is a gasp getting moment and I say nothing, just letting the effect register ( thank you Paul Harris ).

Here's some added thoughts. You can set the deck in a way that you only use up one card ( with the signatures, which you let them keep ). You do this by having the duplicate burned mate right under the non-burned mate.

You turn these cards over and slide the top one over and run the flame under it, but the flame is not touching the card. The waving of the lighter back and forth prevents the card from actually burning further and the larger motion sells the illusion.

Some Magi may feel the signatures are an added step and is magician thinking and not needed. I feel the signature not only makes the effect stronger, but since I want them to keep the card as a memento, I want both our signatures on the card. I want them to remember the experience and my name.

After performing this over a dozen times with and without signatures, I can tell you the signatures make it stronger.

Plus, I want them to keep this card, which they are more apt to do if it isn't just burned. Over the years I've had too many people pull heir signed ambitious card out of wallets and purses for me to dismiss having cards signed.

Even if you don't want to do the trick with signatures, please try the voodoo card trick just as Greg Wilson teaches it because I think you'll be very pleased by your audience reactions.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jul 15, 2008 03:46AM)
Thanks Chris! Chris has allowed me to post his ideas with the Voodoo Card trick taught on the Branded instructional DVD on the http://www.brandedmagic.com site. Do NOT overlook this strong but simple routine. Also I posted Andy Amyx's great presentation using flash paper with his permission (watch for the upcoming Sankey DVD on flash paper - flash paper always adds a LOT for real audiences).

Tim
Message: Posted by: drjohn (Jul 15, 2008 09:42AM)
Hi Guys

Awesome!!! I have used this dozens of times at my residencies and have had some fantastic feedback.

Strangely the only criticism I have is that I can't get seem to get hold of any mini bic or regular bic lighters in black. Nobody seems to stock them and I can't even buy any on-line any ideas from you people in the UK?
Message: Posted by: TheAstonishingLarry (Jul 15, 2008 10:30AM)
[quote]
On 2008-07-14 16:51, Christopher Kavanagh wrote:
Everyone, here's the routine with the voodoo card trick that I shared with Tim.
[/quote]

A very nice effect, Chris. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Papasmurf (Jul 15, 2008 11:35AM)
Branded is definately worth it.
I carry the large one around all the time. Ready for one of 3 revelations to be forced or by fluke from another card routine.

Eric
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jul 15, 2008 11:56AM)
Worse comes to worse, a bold tip black sharpie will suffice if you can't find a black bic lighter.
Message: Posted by: matt.magicman (Jul 15, 2008 05:01PM)
[quote]
On 2008-07-15 09:42, drjohn wrote:
Hi Guys

Awesome!!! I have used this dozens of times at my residencies and have had some fantastic feedback.

Strangely the only criticism I have is that I can't get seem to get hold of any mini bic or regular bic lighters in black. Nobody seems to stock them and I can't even buy any on-line any ideas from you people in the UK?
[/quote]
I picked a lighter from the local newsagents for around a £1
it fitted the gimmick perfectly, so I guess there must be a standard size for lighters?
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jul 15, 2008 09:22PM)
Bic!
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jul 16, 2008 03:18AM)
Thanks guys. Glad you are enjoying it. I know a few dealers in the UK bought and provide Bic lighters. They ARE available there though my understanding is a cheap version from China is more popular in the various stores due to lower cost. Here Bic lighters are everywhere. If you are at IBM/SAM consider picking some up during your travels. Looking forward to meeting some of you at the convention.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Sammy J. (Jul 16, 2008 06:10PM)
I received my "Branded" a couple of days ago. I have been playing around with it and find it VERY user friendly! Last night, my son, who is a professional chef, showed up at the house. He showed me a nasty burn on his wrist, complete with blisters. Talk about an open door! I explained that I had burned myself last night, and showed him my blisters. It's spooky to see the branded "normal" blister next to REAL normal blisters. I then used the simple "Criss Cross" force, morphed my blisters, and blew his mind! This poor kid (who is now 28 years old) has been watching his old man do magic for his whole life. I think he really enjoyed this one!
Great Job Tim!

Sammy Teague
Message: Posted by: Peter Eggink (Jul 16, 2008 07:42PM)
I received "Branded" from Tim a while back, and I can say that this is the cleverest and most practical application to this classic effect I've seen.

Great job, Tim.

Peter
Message: Posted by: Mr. Mystoffelees (Jul 16, 2008 09:28PM)
Having field-tested Branded this past week, I must add my kudos to Tim for a fantastic effect! The responses were wonderful. This is a "must have".

I had a slight problem after receiving Branded (totally my fault) but Tim was kind enough to fix it anyway. This is the kind of customer service I will gladly support- thanks, Tim!

Get this- you won't be disappointed.

Jim
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jul 17, 2008 06:23PM)
GREAT story Sammy. You gotta love those perfect moments. Thanks for sharing that with us. Glad you are enjoying this and feel free to let me know via e-mail if you have any questions, concerns, etc.

Thanks also Peter and Jim!

Tim
Message: Posted by: daniel_lachman (Jul 17, 2008 08:41PM)
[quote]
On 2008-07-11 13:45, Tim Trono wrote:

Daniel Lachman and Andy Amyx are assisting me with a new trailer to better show Branded.

[/quote]

Hi everyone.

The new Branded trailer should be completed in the next few days.

Thanks!

Daniel Lachman
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jul 18, 2008 03:29PM)
I've seen some of the footage Andy and Daniel shot and it gives a much better picture of what the effect is .

Tim
Message: Posted by: BlakeAdams (Jul 18, 2008 04:22PM)
Cant wait to see the clip. for some reason ive been on the fence about this but I think I will take the leap. Will this be at the combined convention next week?
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jul 19, 2008 02:10AM)
Hi Blake. I'll be at the IBM/SAM convention but will not have a booth. I am sure some of the dealers will have Branded and I am happy to steer you to one that does have it. I'll have a couple just in case. Privately e-mail me your cell number and I'll give you a buzz during the convention. I will be happy to show you the gimmick, etc. prior to you making any decision as I stand 100% behind my product.

I saw the first draft of the new trailer and it is awesome. Just a few changes. Also, Andy Amyx took a great picture of the gimmick and of the blister and I'll post those soon. This is one of those items where showing the gimmick and the result will actually HELP you to decide to buy it as you will see how practical, easy, and effective it is.

Thanks.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Knight Magic (Jul 21, 2008 03:27AM)
Hi Tim, we just purchased one and we love it. Nice job!
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jul 21, 2008 09:16PM)
I performed BRANDED over the weekend with a Svengali deck. You can keep cutting the deck, face up, over and over, showing different faces on the cards.

I did this explaning that I was going to have them cut the deck, anywhere they want, but let's do it face down because I don't want to see the card they cut to.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jul 22, 2008 10:33AM)
Cutting the cards face up by the spectator... I don't think many people actually use that! Brilliant!
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jul 22, 2008 10:37AM)
The Svengali deck gets overlooked because like the ball vase, etc. it comes in kids magic sets. There's so much that can be done with it, though. With BRANDED, the deck is forgotten as all attention goes on the blisters.
Message: Posted by: AaronishMagic (Jul 22, 2008 07:46PM)
I love the effect. In fact, check out the one they are selling in Tokyo. It's awesome!!
Message: Posted by: solidglint (Jul 22, 2008 11:06PM)
Had achance to try this out at a function I performed at on Monday evening. Just started with the normal blister on my thumb, the reactions were way stronger than with the previous versions. The bubble shape of the blister adds to the strong reacton, it takes a bit longer for the spectator to notice that the blister has changed shape. The handling is more streamlined as well.

Thanks Tim, I give Branded 10/10!
Jonathan
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jul 25, 2008 09:01PM)
Greg Wilson's idea of the blister morphing into the card blister was brilliant. It's what sold me on Branded.
Message: Posted by: Mr. Mystoffelees (Jul 26, 2008 10:21AM)
Chris:

Thanks for the idea on the Svengall face up- nice!!!

Jim
Message: Posted by: Andi Peters (Jul 26, 2008 10:34AM)
I've been using this so much I now have a real blister on my finger! Guffaw!
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jul 26, 2008 03:02PM)
With the Svengali, I have them put the chosen card in their pocket and I pocket the deck ( after completing the cut as that leaves you in reset postion ). When BRANDED is complete, just take the card back from them and place it in your pocket, on top of the deck ( without taking the deck out again ) You're then reset. Out of sight, out of mind.

Don't worry about using a gaff deck as all focus will be on the miracle that is showing on your fingers.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jul 28, 2008 03:15PM)
I perform BRANDED as a closer this morning at a breakfast with...flash paper. It was outdoors. With the canopy and misters on, the temp was actually cool ( and it's HOT out today ).

I had a very small ball of flash paper rolled up hidden in the thumb crotch.
I'm not sure if it added anything, but a small ball of fire is an attention getter, so the whole table saw it.

And I used a Svengali deck.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jul 28, 2008 04:57PM)
Flash paper........ AWESOME! Gives it a very visual pizzaz!
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jul 28, 2008 07:46PM)
I'm just mentioning 'cause it was the right conditions. Everyone needs to know the laws in their town, etc. for using fire if your working. I was outisde, it was a smoking area, etc. It added a little extra something. I hadn't used flash paper in a long time and I forgot how much fun it is. But you have to know how to use it.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jul 28, 2008 09:36PM)
I ditto that comment but disclaimers aside, FLASH PAPER ROCKS! Combined with Branded, that's a real sweet pot!
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jul 30, 2008 08:22PM)
Any Buskers out there using Branded? Some guys I've seen in New Orleans sometimes have a small crowd of 5-8. I think it would play well for a finale and bringing them in close before making the pitch.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Jul 30, 2008 08:42PM)
[quote]
On 2008-07-28 15:15, Christopher Kavanagh wrote:
I perform BRANDED as a closer this morning at a breakfast with...flash paper. It was outdoors. With the canopy and misters on, the temp was actually cool ( and it's HOT out today ).

[b][i]* I had a very small ball of flash paper rolled up hidden in the thumb crotch.

* I'm not sure if it added anything, but a small ball of fire is an attention getter, so the whole table saw it.[/i][/b]

And I used a Svengali deck.
[/quote]

Very nice use of flash paper. This will give the effect a nice punch.

Good thinking, as always! :)

Thank you for sharing.

:xmas:
P.S. It will change the ways we create blisters. ;)
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jul 31, 2008 03:32AM)
The flash paper adds a lot. Andy Amyx doesn't use the morph but has the spectator write the name of the selected card on a piece of paper (flash paper), lights it, and pretends it burns him as he now shows the card blister (apparently the result of the burn he got from the flash paper). Jay Sankey is just about to come out with a DVD on flash paper uses/effects... it may be interesting to pretend you burn yourself as a result of using one of Jay's effects and then go into Branded.

Michael Ammar has been playing with Branded and using it. We spoke about it at length at the IBM/SAM convention. Michael lights the lighter getting the card blister image on his fingers as he requests that the spectator look into the flame and imagine their card. He now puts the lights away and asks that they keep envisioning the flame with their card in it. He touches their forehead and acts as if it is hot and pulls away showing the card blister. Thus it feel like the card blister is happening from their thoughts instead of from the heat of the flame. He feels it plays stronger. I haven't tried this but it sounds great and I look forward to trying it.

Tim
Message: Posted by: engineer_star (Jul 31, 2008 02:07PM)
Dear Tim, Thank you for the GREAT IDEA!
Sam
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jul 31, 2008 04:38PM)
That's some incredible thinking by Mike Ammar and shows there are so many possibilites for routining Branded. I think we're only at the surface of the ideas that will be coming.
Message: Posted by: Hart Keene (Aug 1, 2008 03:45PM)
Chris, if you don't mind can you explain how you incorporated the flash paper? What was the reason for "hiding" it and not just acting like its a piece of a straw wrapper, etc.? I must be slow today....
Message: Posted by: Hart Keene (Aug 1, 2008 04:20PM)
I read Andy's handling so I get it now Chris...

Good stuff guys!!!
Message: Posted by: Review King (Aug 2, 2008 01:20AM)
Hart, I'm dyslexic, don't blame yourself.
Message: Posted by: daniel_lachman (Aug 3, 2008 04:25AM)
Hi Everyone!

Here is the official demo video for Branded.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWOAzTNyvFI

Make sure to watch it in "high quality."

Daniel Lachman
Message: Posted by: Review King (Aug 3, 2008 05:22AM)
VERY nice!

What I like about the demo is that the opening shows the effect: a card is selected, a lighter is brought out, the fingers are put in the flame, the card is revealed.

And then..The image of the index finger and thumb with the 'branded' pip imprints realy nailed what this is about.

My problem lately with "artistic" demos is that they have these shaky cameras, people screaming and deliberately don't show the effect. That means to me as a consumer, that the effect is not any good.

Daniel, you guys did an artistic video and did it right. There is no doubt what this effect is, yet it reveals nothing to lay people watching.

I hope other producers watch this demo to see how to do it correctly.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Aug 4, 2008 12:21PM)
The Svengali deck idea is great... makes it very fair.

Daniel did a great job! BTW... Morgan Strebler is doing Branded all of the time and we "may" be getting some footage from him. I'd love to show various people USING this so you can see the various styles, handlings, etc.

Tim
Message: Posted by: BlakeAdams (Aug 4, 2008 01:13PM)
I still cant get over that people actually believe I branded myself and gave my self a real blister. Im a believer in this now
Message: Posted by: Review King (Aug 4, 2008 05:39PM)
Earlier effects had the images too defined. They were "too perfect". They were great effects, but not everyone was sold on it. And too much time was used to get the impression ( by having to go to the pocket ).

Branded took this premise to a higher level by adding the morph, those wonderful bubble blisters and adding the lighter so that the effect could be done right in front of them.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Aug 5, 2008 03:20AM)
Check out http://www.murphysmagic.com/Branded-Mini-and-Regular-Bic-Gimmicks-and-DVD-by-Tim-Trono-Trick and you will see the new vidoe clip in windows media format, a photo of the gimmick on standard Bic lighter (larger gimmick - you get one for a Mini Bic as well), and a photo of one of the card blisters.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Aug 6, 2008 07:19PM)
Morgan Stebler just advised me he is filming his routine in the next few days for me to share with you. Morgan plays it pretty serious and is getting a killer reaction. He just recently did this for Tom Hanks and they loved it. I'll have that fairly soon.

Tim
Message: Posted by: mikehann (Aug 7, 2008 04:18AM)
[quote]
On 2008-08-03 04:25, daniel_lachman wrote:
Hi Everyone!

Here is the official demo video for Branded.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWOAzTNyvFI

Make sure to watch it in "high quality."

Daniel Lachman
[/quote]
Awesome video!
Message: Posted by: Review King (Aug 8, 2008 01:48AM)
[quote]
On 2008-08-06 19:19, Tim Trono wrote:
Morgan Stebler just advised me he is filming his routine in the next few days for me to share with you. Morgan plays it pretty serious and is getting a killer reaction. He just recently did this for Tom Hanks and they loved it. I'll have that fairly soon.

Tim
[/quote]

Tim, I really like Morgan's work, so I'd love to his routine. That's quite generous of him to let us see his work on Branded.
Message: Posted by: Morgan Strebler (Aug 8, 2008 07:42AM)
Hey Christopher, thanks for the kind words! I just finnished shooting my routine with Branded. Hopefully I can get something up for you guys in the next few days.

Off to bed now.......

Morgan
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Aug 9, 2008 12:29AM)
I heard from someone else who was at the shoot Morgan did and advised it played VERY well. I am looking forward to this. Morgan really knows how to make his material look like real magic. Hopefully we'll be seeing some more of Morgan's tightly held secrets coming to the market sometime soon. I've been fortunate enough to see some of Morgan's work and he's got some great thinking. I'm trying to prod him into sharing some more of his "workers".

I spoke to John Sheets today and he is getting great reactions using Branded. I am really happy as John is a GREAT performer and will also have some great releases coming in the near future.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Aug 10, 2008 09:05PM)
I just saw a rough draft of Morgan's footage and it is great! It's similar to the Ammar idea of extracting the thought/image from their head and Morgan's presentation is very strong. On thing I really like is that Morgan places an emphasis on having the spectator feel the blister to make sure it is real. This little touch is VERY good. Often people won't want to touch it and when they do touch it it "feels" like blister (puffy, etc.).

Tim
Message: Posted by: Steve Suss (Aug 11, 2008 01:26PM)
Can this effect be done without the deck? Does a card have to be f**ced or can the card merely be called out like Third Degree Burn or Invisible Deck?

Thanks

Steve
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Aug 11, 2008 04:35PM)
Ok, I'm going to go out on a limb here, so please be kind.

Am I the only one who feels that the new demo video is a little ho hum? It feels very lacking as I have Branded and watched Gregory Wilson's live performances and they are just INCREDIBLE compared to the new demo video. The new demo video just makes the great reactions Gregory got watered down. Just my two cents, don't go on lynching me now! ;)
Message: Posted by: Review King (Aug 11, 2008 05:24PM)
[quote]
On 2008-08-11 13:26, Steve Suss wrote:
Can this effect be done without the deck? Does a card have to be f**ced or can the card merely be called out like Third Degree Burn or Invisible Deck?

Thanks

Steve
[/quote]

Steve, I have done Branded several times using "B'wave" patter and no deck or cards. Might not be for everyone, but it has worked for me.

There is a card force involved. Greg Wilson teaches a tried and true one on the comprehensive DVD, but if you're well versed in forcing cards, you can do what works best for you.
Message: Posted by: Magicray69 (Aug 12, 2008 05:40PM)
I didn't know Tom Hanks was two people. (split personality? - Tsk)

Anyway, this is an absolutely SUPER effect - we all know that.
I don't think exposing the gimmick on dealers sites is a wise idea.
Most magicians who buy this know what they are buying - why expose it?

Forcing a card is easily done...but for the cleanest method, I use a two way forcing deck. This gives me 2 different cards and I can emphasize 'Pick ANY card' without any funny stuff.

I ask the spec not to look at the card. After the blister is shown, they turn their card over and BAMB!
Message: Posted by: gmmagic124 (Aug 12, 2008 05:49PM)
[quote]
On 2008-08-06 19:19, Tim Trono wrote:
Morgan Stebler just advised me he is filming his routine in the next few days for me to share with you. Morgan plays it pretty serious and is getting a killer reaction. He just recently did this for Tom Hanks and they loved it. I'll have that fairly soon.

Tim
[/quote]

Neat.
Message: Posted by: ted french (Aug 12, 2008 10:32PM)
I love this effect, I have been using it for think of a number between 1 and 10 routines and its nice because you have more than 1 chance to get the right #.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Aug 13, 2008 01:58AM)
Oops... should have been Tom Hanks and his wife. Sorry for the miscommunication.

Magicray69, this was a question I asked in a prior post... should I show the gimmick. The response I got both publicly on this forum and in many e-mails privately was yes. There are several blister effects out. The thing that people like AFTER they get Branded is that they are not having to deal with getting the blister in their pocket. It's SO simple, practical, and in your face. The reason I chose to provide a picture of the gimmick is NOT pure exposure but so that magicians who wish to buy this will be able to make a more informed decision. I don't want ANYONE to buy Branded and be unhappy for ANY reason. I stand behind my product 100% and have personally taken care of any issue period. I think we have all purchased items where after we get it we are disappointed and say "oh THAT'S what it is". With Branded AFTER people get the gimmick they are delighted. Before they get it they are kind of ho hum. This is unusual in magic. Typically we are disappointed after. I am grateful people LIKE Branded. So I wanted to let those who are on the fence know what they are getting. If you don't have a magic background the picture really means nothing... it would be the same as showing the gimmick for Pyro Perception or Third Degree Burn... it just means nothing. It doesn't give you the answer. But if you are a magician it gives you a pretty good idea of what is involved. Thus the end magic consumer can make a better and more informed decision. Obviously I want my product to sell because I do think it is good, a good value, and simply the best way of doing this effect (which really kills). I don't want anyone to feel uncomfortable plopping down the money with their favorite dealer. I want them to know exactly what they will get and I want them to know that I stand 100% behind my product. Your point is well taken but I had many many discussions about this and put a lot of thought into it. In the end I felt that the picture, etc. would not provide any valuable information to a non magician and that it can only help magicians make a better and more informed buying decision which is crucial with so many items coming out daily. Thanks for the feedback. It is appreciated.

kissdadookie, sorry you don't like the new trailer. Obviously you have Branded so you already know the strength of it. Basically I do agree that the original trailer had some GREAT reactions from Greg. Greg is just a great performer period. We tried to preserve a few of the better segments from Greg's trailer. BUT the feedback to me was that people didn't know what the effect was... so Daniel tried to show that a little clearer. Also Morgan Strebler made a great frailer that is on his site, on iTricks, etc. showing his performance of Branded. Obviously a trailer is just that... just a bite size overview. We couldn't fit in Andy Amyx's full performance... Andy has a really nice handling using flash paper. We simply can't put everything. Instead we tried to give the purchaser as MUCH information as possible through ad copy, product support, legitimate quotes from people who got Branded, saw it, and have used it, etc. People like David Blaine, etc. don't give out quotes/comments lightly... they are very particular on anything they endorse. When I showed Branded to David he loved it and wanted to endorse it. I was grateful as I have tons of respect for David and his crew. Between the existing trailer, Morgan's performance, the basic instructions one can read on the support site, the pictures, etc. one can hopefully make a very informed buying decision. In the end that is what is important. You can see the reactions that Greg gets on the bonus instructional DVD that comes with the gimmicks, through Daniel's trailer, and through Morgan's trailer.

Trailers are tough... I don't quite know what the perfect trailer is. I don't really look at it as a piece of entertainment but instead a TOOL to help one decide (do I buy it, do I go to that movie, etc.). With magic trailers if you see the basic idea of the effect and it fits you that is step one. If you see it gets reactions that is step two. I decided to take it further through more information (non trailer) as explained above. I AM curious though to what others feel makes the perfect trailer as I'd love to have this feedback to give to other magic producers. If you have ideas on this please e-mail my personal e-mail. Thanks for your feedback. It is also appreciated.

Tim
Message: Posted by: VcosNJ (Aug 13, 2008 07:42AM)
Check out itricks.com. Morgan Strebler's version of Branded is up on there. BTW, I love the gimmick Tim! I don't leave home without it.
Message: Posted by: p:m (Aug 13, 2008 10:12AM)
Everyone knows the tricks that leave the best impact are the ones when you bump into an old spectator years later and they remember specific details.

I am constantly reminded about a time I did Pyro Perception for a family friend some 5 years ago. And to this day every time I see her I get the "Remember when you burned your fingers!!!!!! Is it still there??? That was Awesome!!!!!"

So no doubt this effect is a solid one. Even if it doesn't fry your audience on the spot, you know they will go home thinking about it for weeks to come.

Il have to look into picking this up as I havnt performed anything like this since pyro.

How is the strebler demo? Im at work and youtube is blocked on the work computers. Ah! Im good friends with Morgan, looking forward to watching this.

p:m
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Aug 13, 2008 10:49AM)
MORGAN'S ROUTINE IS THE BLEEDING BRILLIANT! OMG. Sorry for the caps, but in all truthfulness, I really want that to be in size 24 font, all caps, and BOLD.
Message: Posted by: Markymark (Aug 13, 2008 11:25AM)
It is a great little item but with all the information and recomendations there is
no need for a picture of the gimmick.
I wish there had been a picture for some of the junk that I have bought but not this!
Message: Posted by: Morgan Strebler (Aug 13, 2008 12:43PM)
Hey everyone! Here is a link to my video performance of branded. I hope you guys enjoy it!!

http://www.morganstrebler.com/branded.mov



Morgan
Message: Posted by: Morgan Strebler (Aug 13, 2008 12:48PM)
Kissdadookie, Im really glad that you liked the routine! Thanks for the kind words!
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Aug 13, 2008 01:07PM)
With Pyro Perception I use to do it the exact same way up to the point where you grabbed the card from their forehead. I actually asked them to envision the card, etc. etc. and look into the flame, dramatic pause, some concentration, and then I would pull the card out from the flame. My patter was along the lines of "I want you too see your card burning in the flame, keep concentrating, I was you to make the fire bigger, brighter... good... I want you to picture me saving the care from the flames..." and then grab at the flame, go OUCH and then slowly reveal.

I thought it would be pretty cool to have a little wad of flash paper concealed in the blistered hand and then feed that into the flame and let it make a little ball of fire and then display the blister. Just an idea that probably a million of you folks have already though of :P
Message: Posted by: Review King (Aug 13, 2008 02:58PM)
[quote]
On 2008-08-13 12:43, Morgan Strebler wrote:
Hey everyone! Here is a link to my video performance of branded. I hope you guys enjoy it!!

http://www.morganstrebler.com/branded.mov

Morgan
[/quote]

Morgan, yours was a Broadway performance. That was extremely generous of you to share with everyone.

Marjoe Gortner would be impressed with your crowd skills!
Message: Posted by: p:m (Aug 13, 2008 04:56PM)
Morgan, Wicked video. Sorry I missed ya in vegas 2 weeks ago. Il call you soon :)

But, Great vid. Sold me.
Message: Posted by: Hart Keene (Aug 13, 2008 05:35PM)
Hey Morgan! Nice routine! A lot of great ideas have been shared but here is my humble opinion...

Andy's handling with the addition of the flash paper is BY FAR the most "believable" handling. I literally hold the rolled up piece of flash paper between my finger and thumb and let it burn up. I don't "drop" it. The spectators can see my fingers being burned! The flash paper takes it to a whole new level!!! I don't use flash paper much, if at all. But when I read Andy's handling I looked at the blister effect in a whole new light(pardon the pun)! I have to admit...after I purchased the effect I put it on the shelf. I didn't care for the "morph" as it just wasn't believable. Most people have gotten blisters and know deep down that it takes a lot more than "touching" a bic flame to create a nasty blister like that, let alone a morphing blister! lol

If you look at the last page of this thread I comment about the flash paper addition, but I didn't want to post my thoughts until I had tried it a few times. I don't do this in any of my restaurants for obvious reasons but I have had a chance to perform it around 10 times and it kills! People are like, "are you ok?", before they have even seen the blister!!!! Think of it from a lay person's point of view...they wrote the initials of their card on a small piece of paper. Then they rolled it into a ball. The magician took it between his fingers and lit it on fire. He didn't let go of it! He just sat there and let this bright, magnificent fire "singe"(sp?) his finger tips. At this point if you just told them what their card was they would be freaked out! But as you know it goes a lot further than that!!!

Thoughts on handling? I turn around as they are writing the initials on the piece of paper and retrieve the lighter from my pocket. I then have quite a bit of time to really "hammer" the impression into my skin. Have not had any problems but wondering if someone does this differently?

Just my two cents!!
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Aug 13, 2008 07:13PM)
Hi Hart.

I really like Morgan and Andy's handlings. I agree with you. In playing with Andy's handling I actually chose not even to have them write down the name of the card as it slows it down a bit. Instead I ask them to picture the piece of paper like a screen and envision their card on it, burn the image on the screen/paper, and then I light it and proceed. I'll tell you though... Morgan's handling is killer as well. For some reason the fact that you are touching them really registers. Also, Morgan's idea of having them feel the blister really sells this.

For those who DO like the morph idea Hart brings up a good point that typically a blister would not happen that quickly. When I have done it this way I used a suggestion by Patrick Wolford. Patrick gets the regular round blister right in front of them (secretly) as he is advising that he has had a blister for a few days. He then displays the regular round blister and goes into the morphing part. So apparently he's HAD it for a few days though is obviously just getting it as he is saying this. I do agree that it may not be as credible to immediately get a round blister but to show one you've had for a few days really makes sense. You can combine this with Morgan's idea of having them feel it and THEN do the transformation. I love the idea of the morphing and people really buy into it. But sometimes you need to jumps right to the punch line and in these cases Andy Amyx's handling or Morgan's handling are great.

On another note... if you do a set with any of the coin bends (Psyche, Quantum Bender, or Coinvexed), Voodoo Card trick (on the Branded DVD - using Chris' great idea of signing the front and back after they inspect each side), and then do Branded as with Morgan or Andy's handling I think people will believe they have seen true magic. This is a set I am doing.

Tim
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Aug 13, 2008 07:40PM)
Tim...is there anyone left who hasn't bought this yet? I doubt it cuz it is killer.
Message: Posted by: Joshua Barrett (Aug 13, 2008 07:44PM)
Maybe I missed it...where is andy's routine at?
Message: Posted by: Hart Keene (Aug 13, 2008 07:45PM)
Hi Tim!

All those ideas sound great and I think I would do Morgan's routine if I didn't have any flash paper...

But what do you think of the handling I use? Would you do as I do by turning around when they are writing on the paper and then retrieve the lighter and get the impression while you are still turned around? Do you think it really even matters? lol I usually forget to put the lighter back in my pocket and have never had someone become even remotely suspicious of it...God I love this gimmick... genius!

What handling do you use when you don't have them write on the paper? When do you get the impression?

Love the idea Morgan had of letting them feel the blister, awesome!!!!
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Aug 13, 2008 08:53PM)
Hi Joshua... see the Branded Magic support site (brandedmagic.com)

Glad you are enjoying this. Do NOT overlook the Voodoo Card trick with Chris' suggestions to start.

But I have been trying/using all kinds of handlings. Recently I've been in favor not using the morphing and getting straight to the punch... so I have been using Andy's or Morgan's handling. I always prefer to be super open and get the blister right in front of them and never be in my pocket or have my back turned... I think that was a weakness of the others when I used those. But that's just me. Just before I light the lighter I get the impression as it only takes a second and there is absolutely NO heat on it at all (pardon the pun).

Believe it or not there still are many people who have not picked this up... they are reluctant and I understand with so many products out. That is why I want to ensure if anyone buys it they are happy.

Tim
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Aug 13, 2008 09:37PM)
I for one am a convert from Pyro Perceptions and personally vouch for Tim and his product. I'm a VERY happy camper and totally love all the pros with this version of the gimmick. It saves quite a bit of pocket space compared to Pyro Perception (with that you needed the PP gimmick AND a lighter) and you save WAY more pocket space compared with Third Degree Burn (that one was huge). It's also much easier to get a blister off Branded than the aforementioned other products. The DVD is a great addition as well since Greg gives some great handling ideas along with the excellent Voodoo Card Trick. Definitely CAN'T go wrong with Branded. If you get it and end up preferring the other variations of the card blister gimmicks, you can send me hate PMs :D
Message: Posted by: jstone (Aug 14, 2008 12:03AM)
Killer Morgan! I love it... Thanks for sharing with us bro, and Tim... thanks for a killer product.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Aug 14, 2008 01:37AM)
Thanks Jeff.

Daniel also just sent me the full clip on Andy Amyx's performance. That will be posted on Youtube as well as on Murphy's site over the next day or two.

On Voodoo Card I've been doing it with a double backer and using Chris' idea on the signing... so they inspect the back and I show them how to initial it as I initial the back of the card, they inspect the face and I have shown them how to initial it so they initial the face of the card, I show both sides again, and then very carefully have them push the card off the deck on to the table with one finger advising I don't even want to touch, and immediately have them put their hand on it. I then go through the routine as described on the instructional Branded DVD. After I show the results of the voodoo effect I go into Branded.

Tim
Message: Posted by: daniel_lachman (Aug 14, 2008 01:45AM)
Hi Everyone,

Here is the full clip of Andy Amyx performing Branded:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXObJ9Ymu3o

Enjoy!

Daniel Lachman
Message: Posted by: Joshua Barrett (Aug 14, 2008 11:41AM)
Thank Tim, I think I am going to try and use andy's handling... first showing the blisters I got from the the previous time I did the trick... I still want the morph ... but I really really like the flash paper idea. I think it provides a lot of psychological misdirection for reconstruction as well
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Aug 14, 2008 11:43AM)
Good idea... as if the new burn caused the morph. Also, don't overlook Morgan's idea of having them "feel" the card blister to make sure it is real.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Review King (Aug 14, 2008 03:31PM)
Morgan's idea of having them "feel" the blister is brilliant and...his first rate acting job of pulling away because it stings is just typical of how clever he is.
Message: Posted by: gabelson (Aug 14, 2008 09:31PM)
Both Andy's and Morgan's presentations are wonderful. IMHO, flash paper makes it more of a pure magical effect, whereas the forehead touch lies more in the mentalism realm.
Message: Posted by: Waters (Aug 15, 2008 07:37PM)
[quote]
On 2008-05-25 06:05, Christopher Kavanagh wrote:

I also suggest getting Jack Tillar's Blister Book and RUN and get Richard Osterlind's "Making Magic Real". You will elevate the magic your perform by learning and using Richard's ideas. [url=http://osterlindstore.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/25/products_id/59?osCsid=06f15e9a53a1768b4e85c02f3d8ebed0]RICHARD OSTERLIND[/url]
[/quote]

I am a little late to this dance...

but I agree completely with Christopher's comment (back a few months). I just ordered "Branded", but also ordered Jack Tiller's book as well. An idea this good deserves to have the originator compensated. Tim's development sounds great! You're a clever guy, Tim. Well done. (Of course) I agree about the value of any of Osterlind's works.

I always trust my friend Gabelson and his vote of confidence is good enough for me. I look forward to giving this a try.

Sean
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Aug 15, 2008 11:10PM)
Thanks Sean. Hope you enjoy this and if you have ANY problems, questions, etc. just e-mail me on my regular e-mail. I'll be glad to help. Also, ensure you keep your eye on the support site for additional ideas, etc.

Jack Tillar is a great guy. I give him a royalty on Branded as he obviously was the man that made all of this happen in the first place... without Jack this would not be.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Waters (Aug 16, 2008 09:01PM)
I just wanted to mention publically to Tim and to others, that I can tell (from this thread and Tim's responses to all the comments here) that this release from Tim is an example for all to follow. He has offered outstanding customer service via his personal responses and his website and he has respected and acknowledged the originators and other contributors to this theme of effect. Kudos to Tim! I can't wait until mine arrives.


Sean
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Aug 17, 2008 09:23PM)
Thanks Sean! I hope you like it - let me know either way. The feedback both positive and negative is helpful. If there are any problems rest assured I will take care of them. With so many products out I think it will be necessary for producers to really get behind their products. It's what I would expect.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Review King (Aug 19, 2008 02:27AM)
Sean, I'd love to hear what you think when you get Branded.
Message: Posted by: Amyxdove (Aug 19, 2008 05:54PM)
When I usually light the flash paper I give a just a little toss so that on my palm. It got a bit a way from me in the video. This rountine kills the lay people. I hope more of you do it. I am glad you guys like it.

Andy Amyx




[quote]
On 2008-08-13 17:35, Hart Keene wrote:
Hey Morgan! Nice routine! A lot of great ideas have been shared but here is my humble opinion...

Andy's handling with the addition of the flash paper is BY FAR the most "believable" handling. I literally hold the rolled up piece of flash paper between my finger and thumb and let it burn up. I don't "drop" it. The spectators can see my fingers being burned! The flash paper takes it to a whole new level!!! I don't use flash paper much, if at all. But when I read Andy's handling I looked at the blister effect in a whole new light(pardon the pun)! I have to admit...after I purchased the effect I put it on the shelf. I didn't care for the "morph" as it just wasn't believable. Most people have gotten blisters and know deep down that it takes a lot more than "touching" a bic flame to create a nasty blister like that, let alone a morphing blister! lol

If you look at the last page of this thread I comment about the flash paper addition, but I didn't want to post my thoughts until I had tried it a few times. I don't do this in any of my restaurants for obvious reasons but I have had a chance to perform it around 10 times and it kills! People are like, "are you ok?", before they have even seen the blister!!!! Think of it from a lay person's point of view...they wrote the initials of their card on a small piece of paper. Then they rolled it into a ball. The magician took it between his fingers and lit it on fire. He didn't let go of it! He just sat there and let this bright, magnificent fire "singe"(sp?) his finger tips. At this point if you just told them what their card was they would be freaked out! But as you know it goes a lot further than that!!!

Thoughts on handling? I turn around as they are writing the initials on the piece of paper and retrieve the lighter from my pocket. I then have quite a bit of time to really "hammer" the impression into my skin. Have not had any problems but wondering if someone does this differently?

Just my two cents!!
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Aug 20, 2008 10:03PM)
I've been using both Andy and Morgan's handlings and getting great reactions. On these I bypass the morph aspect. I'm curious about supposedly showing the blister you've apparently had a few days (getting it in front of them), taking out the piece of paper and proceeding to light it as with Andy's handling and showing the morph. I'd then use Morgan's idea of them feeling it. Have not tried that yet.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Steve Haynes (Aug 20, 2008 11:20PM)
I love the blister effect and look forward to picking this up.

From the details of handling the blister itself to the gimmick getting rid of the pocket work, makes me want this, with the main reason( for me) being the gimmick itself.

Thanks Tim for posting pictures of the gimmick.

Steve Haynes
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Aug 21, 2008 04:08AM)
My pleasure Steve and if you have any questions, problems, etc. with Branded feel free to e-mail me directly. I am confident you will use this - enjoy.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Review King (Aug 21, 2008 05:50AM)
The morphing concept of Branded was brilliant. I did not think you could do justice to the effect without the morphing.

I felt that way until I saw Morgan Strebler's incredible performance. In that context, the morphing is not needed. I'm still blown away by Morgan's routine.
Message: Posted by: mrdane (Aug 21, 2008 04:18PM)
Just received this and the basic routine works wonders for spectators. Portable gimmick and simple handling for a great effect. Greg's insights are awesome as well although I did prefer the sankey handling of the voodoo card.. Check it out! Anyways... I love branded!

PS. Added some flash paper to the handling and the spectator reactions themselves scared me a little haha
Message: Posted by: p:m (Aug 22, 2008 01:15PM)
Again waiting for this in the mail.

Morgan sold me over the phone.

Used to perform Pyro Perception all the time but the gimmick was to much of a pain for me. Lookin' forward to getting this, getting it down and heading out to get some footage for ya'll
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Aug 22, 2008 07:02PM)
P:m I'd love to see any footage you (or anyone shoots) using Branded, Please e-mail me any clips directly to my regular e-mail. I've considered a competition for those submitting clips. I'm open to that as the clips help us all.

Hope you enjoy Branded.

Tim
Message: Posted by: p:m (Aug 23, 2008 02:15AM)
I'm sure I will tim :)

il send any footage I have your way :)
Message: Posted by: Review King (Aug 23, 2008 12:42PM)
I'm not sure if I recall a product that has caused this much excitement and has brought Magicians together sharing ideas like Branded has. As fantastic as the product is, a large part of the success and sharing has been Tim Trono's effort. From getting Greg Wilson ( no better choice ) to do the comprehensive DVD, to bringing the community together.

If creators/producers need a model on how to create, research, credit and support a product, Branded is it.
Message: Posted by: Hart Keene (Aug 23, 2008 02:19PM)
[quote]
On 2008-08-19 17:54, Amyxdove wrote:
When I usually light the flash paper I give a just a little toss so that on my palm. It got a bit a way from me in the video. This rountine kills the lay people. I hope more of you do it. I am glad you guys like it.

Andy Amyx

[/quote]


Wait, you want it to land on your palm? I think it looks better when you don't let it get away from your finger tips as that is where the blisters are, ya know? It might sting for a second, but well worth it;)Hold it lightly between the thumb and first finger and don't let go!!!

When do you get the impression? It looked like you got it when you turned around and told them to roll it up. I was getting it when they would write on the paper but now I'm wondering if its best to wait to pull out the lighter till they are done so as to not have your hands in your pocket when you are turned around....thoughts? Again probably doesn't really matter but still should talk about it.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Aug 24, 2008 03:45PM)
I agree I think one would want the paper to burn at the finger tips. I'll ask Andy about this. When I have used Andy's handling I get the blisters on my right hand as they are folding up the piece of paper. I immediately transfer the lighter to my left hand, light it, pick up the piece of paper in my right hand and light it, and let it burn down to my right fingers. At that point ALL heat (pardon the pun) is on my right hand as I shake the hand as if I burned it. As I show the blisters I causally drop the lighter in my left pocket. I also use Morgan's idea of having them feel the blister. If you like the morph idea you can do the same handling as noted above but don't put away the lighter and instead of getting the card blisters get the round blisters. It will appear that you burned the piece of paper with their card written on it and thus got the blisters from the paper. You advise you will show them something VERY strange... now go into Morgan's presentation of them thinking of the card they wrote down and envisioning it burning up.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Waters (Aug 24, 2008 09:31PM)
As I suspected, I am very pleased with the quality of Tim's release. The supplied gimmicks and the DVD are top notch. I REALLY like that one can perform the standard "blister" routine or the morphing routines.

For a magic effect, I really like Andy's handling and presentation. It is quite nice. I agree that Morgan's routine is a great way to perform this with a mental feel.

Though I primarily perform mentalism, I still enjoy a great magic effect sometimes and I can't decide which "flavor" this is best suited (only some real world use of this will answer that question for me).

All in all this is an excellent release and could be used by either someone looking for a great magic effect or someone wanting a different take on a classic mental routine. Either way, the gimmicks and the DVD will easily satisfy. Excellent work, Tim!


With regards,

Sean
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Aug 25, 2008 12:55AM)
Thanks Sean!!! Glad you like it. Let me know if you have any questions or problems with Branded. I've been using Morgan's handling a lot lately. It's very strong.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Review King (Aug 25, 2008 02:11PM)
Sean, glad to hear you like Branded.

Well, Morgan has certainly turned this into a show stopping effect!
Message: Posted by: Amyxdove (Aug 26, 2008 12:06PM)
The reason I do this is because after about the 3rd or 4th time of just holding it there between my fingers it will start to burn you. The layman don't know the reason I let it go. And I get the blister when they are signing the paper. Right in front of them. The lighter is an everyday object. So there is no heat on it. I have never been caught. I have even given the lighter to a spectator to light the flash paper.


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On 2008-08-23 14:19, Hart Keene wrote:
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On 2008-08-19 17:54, Amyxdove wrote:
When I usually light the flash paper I give a just a little toss so that on my palm. It got a bit a way from me in the video. This rountine kills the lay people. I hope more of you do it. I am glad you guys like it.

Andy Amyx

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Wait, you want it to land on your palm? I think it looks better when you don't let it get away from your finger tips as that is where the blisters are, ya know? It might sting for a second, but well worth it;)Hold it lightly between the thumb and first finger and don't let go!!!

When do you get the impression? It looked like you got it when you turned around and told them to roll it up. I was getting it when they would write on the paper but now I'm wondering if its best to wait to pull out the lighter till they are done so as to not have your hands in your pocket when you are turned around....thoughts? Again probably doesn't really matter but still should talk about it.
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Message: Posted by: Review King (Aug 27, 2008 03:16AM)
Andy, I really like your idea of having them write the the card they chose on the flash paper.
Message: Posted by: p:m (Aug 27, 2008 11:52AM)
As do I . Got the DVD yesterday. didn't watch it all but rather drove to the gas station for a Black Bic Lighter! Love it!

Il be doing the flash paper approach. Adds that much more excitement and energy to the routine. People love the flash of fire. It's like a trick in itself.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Aug 28, 2008 03:18AM)
Hi Peter. Hope you enjoy it. Check out Jay Sankey's new Spontaneous Combustion DVD... some great effects with flash paper. You may want to consider doing one of these and supposedly "burning yourself" prior. Lately though I have been going straight to the card blister (Andy or Morgan's handling).

Tim
Message: Posted by: Tim Jahn (Aug 28, 2008 08:46AM)
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On 2008-08-27 11:52, p:m wrote:
As do I . Got the DVD yesterday. didn't watch it all but rather drove to the gas station for a Black Bic Lighter! Love it!

I'll be doing the flash paper approach. Adds that much more excitement and energy to the routine. People love the flash of fire. It's like a trick in itself.
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I just got mine yesterday as well!! Its the same thing with me, I drove right down and bought two bics. One reg. and one mini in black.

I really like the flash paper idea as well and I think that's the one I'll go with right off the bat. Then I'll try to come up with some other approaches.

These things are great by the way. And I am a big fan of Greg's so this was a winner with me very quickly. What a wonderful adaptation of a wonderful effect. Great job Tim and co.!!!

Now I'm trying to figure out how to do initials for some great "Think of a person and think of their name" type of effects. Actually I've been working on the initials thing ever since I got Pyro perception a while ago. But I'm still working on it, so HANDS OFF 'YA HEAR!!! :)

Seriously, Branded is great and I look forward to using it a lot.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Aug 28, 2008 12:23PM)
Thanks Tim! Enjoy. Make sure to check out the Branded support site as noted on the DVD as well as the voodoo card trick taught on the DVD (use Chris' idea from the support site). Thanks for your support.

Tim
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Aug 28, 2008 01:23PM)
I did Branded two nights ago using psychological forcing (I had nothing on me other than Branded and Freakey). I was off by one but alas, the girl I did it for was impressed and truly concerned for my well being and immediately said "No no, that's ok! I don't want you to heart yourself more!" when I offered to correct my off by one (bluffing of course) while the people around were just stunned by the pure fact that I've formed a card blister.
Message: Posted by: Amyxdove (Aug 28, 2008 08:24PM)
Thank you! Very nice of you.

Andy


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On 2008-08-27 03:16, Christopher Kavanagh wrote:
Andy, I really like your idea of having them write the the card they chose on the flash paper.
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Message: Posted by: gorman (Aug 28, 2008 09:16PM)
I was a bit skeptical at first, but this gimmick really does deserve all of the praise it's been getting.
It's such a simple idea, but anytime I've done it, I've gotten great reactions.
This one makes jaws drop for sure.

In case anyone's wondering, I find Andy's handling with the flash paper to be the the best, not to mention the most believable.
I keep little bits of flash paper in my wallet, telling them that 'tissue paper' is much easier to carry on me, rather than a small notebook or whatever else.
Either way, as they write their card down onto the paper, I turn around, as to not see, casually sticking my hand in pocket, making the blisters. I take the lighter out of my pocket with the blistered fingered hand, then transfer it to my left. As a few others have, I light it between my fingers, then drop it, really playing it off as if it burned my fingers. -- I try and really sell it, then usually follow up with the phrase -- 'Aw, I think I have a blister' -- then reveal. -- I usually show them the shape first, as it's easier to recognize -- then I follow up with the number. People really freak out.

This is a great impromptu trick anyone can carry with them.
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Thanks, Tim.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Aug 29, 2008 09:08PM)
I have a luncheon gig this weekend and I'm going to give Morgan's presntation idea a go.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Aug 30, 2008 07:28PM)
Thanks Gorman!

Tim
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Sep 2, 2008 11:44PM)
I just received an e-mail from Gary Norsigian advising "Initially, I thought it would be a good effect. But the reaction I have been getting says that it is much, much better than 'good'". This is typically the reaction. I was at TAOM and received similar responses from several individuals who had purchased Branded.

If any of you have video demos of you doing Branded please e-mail them directly to me. If I use them I am willing to ensure you are taken care of.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Slepton (Sep 4, 2008 10:47AM)
Great reactions from my gig in Paris too using the flash paper idea. One of the best purchase of this year.
Message: Posted by: HuronLow (Sep 4, 2008 02:56PM)
This is one of the most practical things I own. I am very picky about the things I bring along to gigs as I believe that most things can be accomplished without any gimmicks. Pocket management is also very important and I like moments when I perform where I can remove my jacket for 'extra clean' effects. Very few items fit the bill, and Branded is one of the best examples ever. Branded is the definition of "packs small plays big".

The reactions I get from this are priceless... this effect is such a reputation maker it should be sold for way more than it is. Tim's improvement on the classic versions of this is revolutionary!

Also, Andy's idea of incorporating flash paper into it is BRILLIANT!
Here's a little idea. Instead of rolling the flash paper into a ball, it could be rolled into a tube. This way the fire travels towards the finger tips, giving a moment of expectation and suspense, and when the fire finally reaches the fingerstips... the magician can react in any way he wants. It would also minimize the possibility of burning yourself having a ball burn between your finger tips.

I love this effect!

Huron Low
Message: Posted by: A.G. (Sep 5, 2008 01:17AM)
I have to say, I have had branded in my pockets for over a month now... I can't leave home with out it.

I don't use a deck with it, I have a method to verbally force the card.

Just goes to show how far practicality and showmanship can go.


cannot recomend this enough.

Andrew Gerard
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Sep 5, 2008 02:43AM)
Maybe a dumb question, but holding the flash paper at your finger tips and lighting it would create a 'real' burn, no? I don't like being burned on purpose if I can't avoid it. what's everyone's experience been and tips?
Message: Posted by: ahzhe (Sep 5, 2008 08:55AM)
Does this type of lighter fit into the gimmick?
[url=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/100_Yen_lighter.JPG/793px-100_Yen_lighter.JPG]thumb[/url]
Message: Posted by: Review King (Sep 5, 2008 09:25AM)
Ahzhe, Branded© is custom designed to fir a Bic© brand lighter. The lighter in the photo you posted is not a Bic©

Andrew Gerard, I keep the mini Branded© in a tray with my car/house keys, so I have it with me everyday. I use the B'wave patter to perform Branded© when I don't have a deck.
Message: Posted by: Dick Christian (Sep 5, 2008 10:00AM)
I haven't read all of the posts in this thread, but am familiar enough with the "blister" effect -- long a "classic" of psychic entertainment -- and with "Branded" (which I haven't bought) to add my $0.02 even though I know that what I'm about to say will surely offend those who wax enthusiastic about "Branded" -- not to mention it's creator and the dealers who are selling it.

From some of the comments in this thread, I'm sure that the trick is selling like hotcakes. That's great for the manufacturer and dealer but, I'm afraid, another sad day for psychic entertainment.

IMO, "Branded" is just one more example of magicians taking what can -- in the right hands -- and should be a devastatingly powerful paranormal demonstration and turning it into what is obviously "just another magic trick" -- the very thing that makes serious mentalists and psychic entertainers cringe and harbor even greater scorn for "magicians" than the disdain that some of them harbor toward psychic entertainers and is indicative of the fundamental failure of so many magicians to understand or appreciate the basic premise behind so much of what they try to do.

For those who are smart enough to figure it out, the premise of the blister effect is that it purports to demonstrate the psychosomatic reaction or transfer of the burning of a graphic representation of the hand to cause an actual blister to form on the performer's fingertip. Having the resultant "blister" resemble a letter, number, pip on a playing card, or anything other than the real blister that would result from placing the hot tip of a burning cigarette to your finger completely negates the whole point of the effect you are trying to demonstrate.

The bottom line is that if you don't understand the premise of an effect you shouldn't risk incurring the wrath of those who do by performing it.
Message: Posted by: ahzhe (Sep 5, 2008 10:34AM)
Oh, then I have to reconsider on buying this trick, I can hardly see a bic lighter here
Message: Posted by: Review King (Sep 5, 2008 10:59AM)
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On 2008-09-05 10:00, Dick Christian wrote:

....The bottom line is that if you don't understand the premise of an effect you shouldn't risk incurring the wrath of those who do by performing it.
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Mr. Christian, the creator of the blister effect, Jack Tillar, gave his blessing to Branded©.

Numerous times in this thread, Jack's book “The BLISTER BOOK” ( contributions by Weber, Banachek, Nu, Osterlind, Maven, etc. ) has been referenced so folks could learn more and go beyond this being just a trick.

Some top folks in the field have made contributions to Branded©. Morgan Strebler allowed a demo of himself performing a very powerful routine to be shared so folks could see how this can go beyond just a trick.

Everyone has to start somewhere. If Branded© is the impetus for that, I think that's a good thing.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Sep 5, 2008 12:42PM)
Dear Mr. Christian. I appreciate your frank opinion. I'd strongly urge you to consider reading through this rather long thread to get all of the facts/info. You may also want to read The Blister book by my friend Jack Tillar to get his thoughts on this. Your precise concern is a concern that initially both Jack Tillar and I had. In the end it is simply wrong. This is one of the reasons I initially did NOT release Branded as I struggled with this exact concern as noted. This is why it was not released until we came up with the morphing idea. But honestly even that is not needed... in using the ideas by Morgan Strebler, Andy Amyx, etc. this plays like real magic.

I DO have to say I find your post a bit demeaning to many magicians ( the us vs. we of mentalism vs. magic). I don't want to get into that debate but I think such general assumptions and classifications are dangerous and inaccurate in life in general. I've seen MANY magicians do magic where people think they've seen the REAL thing and many mentalists where their contrived and procedural performance looks as far from mentalism or psychic ability as possible. But I have also seen incredible mentalists (just saw Tim Conover and spent time with him... as usual he is stunning) and some bad magicians. Life is never black and white.

Back on topic though.... I can assure you others (including myself) have struggled with your concern but in the end the effect DOES play and I say that from experience, not simply from assumption. Many of the finest mentalists in the world including Michael Weber, Ted Karmilovich, Morgan Strebler, Sean Fields, etc. have USED the precise idea of various shaped blisters (cards, ESP symbols). Some of the finest mentalist in the world have also received and USE Branded. In your post you state "The bottom line is that if you don't understand the premise of an effect you shouldn't risk incurring the wrath of those who do by performing it." I'd argue this on a few grounds... why should I (or anyone) receive any wrath from ANYONE if an effect I (or they) am doing gets amazing reaction (and is obviously not harmful in any way to another). I personally don't like the multiplying parasol effect but if it plays and works for someone else who am I to put that fact down? I've seen some performers do this effect where it looks incredible. Also if you have not seen or tried this effect by your own admission are YOU doing YOUR homework and complete analysis? Again, I hope I don't come across wrong... I DO appreciate your open honest concern and feedback but I think the generalizations that come along with your concern are not accurate, tried and tested, presented with full facts, etc.

I'd encourage you to TRY Branded and see. Privately e-mail me your address and I'll be happy to send one to you to TRY - if you like it you can send your money to your favorite dealer and if not you can send it back to me. I stand behind my product 100% because I know from EXPERIENCE how strong it truly is, I have analyzed it at length with some of the best magicians and mentalists in the world as this post indicates over and over (it IS a long post). I'd appreciate the opportunity to SHOW you that your concern is not accurate. But either way I DO appreciate you expressing it (I was just put off by the generalizations).

Thanks.

Tim
Message: Posted by: toberman (Sep 6, 2008 10:41AM)
Mr. Christian,

Your post is comes across as insulting to magicians in general not just those those who "wax enthusiastic about Branded". I have seen this before. Mentalists who think that magicians are ruining the perception that the mental effect they perform are real. If you listen to peoples reaction to mentalism (and magic) after a performance you will learn that the vast majority are not fooled into thinking that the performer has any real powers. Those who suspend their belief tend to enjoy the show the most but very few actually buy into the fact that they have really witnessed miracles. Intelligent people know that if I could really predict the future or read minds I would use those "powers" to better myself or the world rather than merely perform for them. My goal is to entertain. If people are fooled along the way, that's fine, as long as I don't try to insult their intelligence. I have performed Branded and the reactions to it are great. I don't feel there is a need to analyze it further.

Terry
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Sep 7, 2008 03:08PM)
If you are in search of a very clean card force check out the Robert Parrish Card Force on the Al Mann Lecture DVD from Lybrary.com It does use gimmicks but is VERY clean/fair. I just finished watching the DVD and it has some interesting ideas. Historically it's neat to see Al Mann.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Chris (Sep 7, 2008 06:31PM)
Tim, this force is also described in the Parrish Folio (Palbearers Review 1974) in a trick entitled "Mental Opener". [url=http://www.lybrary.com/parrish-folio-pallbearers-review-1974-p-1563.html]pallbearers[/url]

There Parrish credits this force to Eric "Nitwit" Williams.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Sep 7, 2008 08:06PM)
Thanks for that crediting Chris. It is greatly appreciated. It looks very fair. They name a number from 2-52 and you openly remove cards from the face of the deck until you get to the desired number. The force card is at that position.

Also, I was just at TAOM convention and spent some time with my friend Lonnie Chevrie. Lonnie is a GREAT guy and really superb thinking. Lonnie had some wonderful ideas on the standard riffle force I will see if I can share with you. It makes it so much better.

BTW... speaking of Lonnie... he has 2 new upcoming DVDs through Kozmo you should be aware of: one on his latest handling of his bill changes (2 different changes, the Spritz Change is fabulous and looks like a TV trick...) and the second DVD on Lonnie's bill penetration routine that I predict will be standard everyone carries with them all of the time (it will contain 2 bill effects as well- REALLY good).

Tim
Message: Posted by: Review King (Sep 7, 2008 11:47PM)
The Magic Café's own Jamie D. Grant perofrmed Branded© on his Magic Friday:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=274062&forum=175#0
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Sep 8, 2008 06:04PM)
WOW! Thanks Jamie! It's great to hear testimonials from guys like Jamie, Chris, Terry, etc. who are USING Branded with success.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Dick Christian (Sep 10, 2008 02:30PM)
Msrs. Kavanaugh, Trono & Toberman:

Please forgive my delay in responding to your comments. The last few days have been busy ones and I wanted to be as clear, complete and reasoned as possible in my response.

I am more than happy to address any and all of the issues you and/or any others have raised (or wish to), but first it might clear the air if I point out what I wrote, and more importantly, what I DIDN’T write in my post of 9/5.

For Mr. Kavanagh: At no time did I deny that Jack Tillar is the creator of the blister effect (the first reference to the effect that I know of is on pp. 379-380 in Tarbell Vol. 7, published in 1972 and clearly cites Tillar as the originator). Nor do I dispute the statement that he “gave his blessing” to Branded or that his book contains contributions by Weber, Banachek, Nu, Osterlind, Maven and other ‘top folks” have made contributions to Branded (although I’d be surprised if any of them feature it in their performances). I watched the demo video of Strebler’s performance and the excited reaction of the teenage spectators was exactly what one would expect if anyone who looked like Strebler showed them, or others like them, any trick they hadn’t seen before and couldn’t explain. Now please don’t start accusing me of denigrating Strebler, his performance or his audience. I am simply observing that while his look and performing persona is perfect for just such an audience -- teens to 20s hanging out on the street or in a mall (a very small “niche” market BTW) -- it would be completely out of place in almost any other situation or for any other audience. None of the markets in which I work (society parties, corporate and association events, civic organizations, etc.) would book someone with his look or style, just as MY style and persona would have absolutely no appeal for HIS audiences.

The only comment I might take issue with is that Strebler’s demo was shared to show how Branded could go “beyond just a trick.” I seemed obvious to me that his spectators, while certainly amazed and baffled, didn’t consider it anything BUT “a trick.” That is NOT to suggest that it is necessary for them to believe that what they saw was “real,” but only that it might be better if they were at least left to wonder. The ONLY impression they could have, given the context in which the effect was presented, is that they witnessed a clever trick. While that may be “mental magic” (and I’m not sure it even rises to that level) it certainly isn’t mentalism. If Strebler’s goal was to show a young and unsophisticated audience a clever trick, he clearly succeeded, but it seems to me that the original blister effect elicits a far higher level of wonder.

For Mr. Toberman: I have re-read my post of 9/5 and can find no statement in which I assert that my demonstrations of mentalism are real, either explicitly or by implication, or suggest that my audiences should perceive them as such. Neither, however, do I offer any disclaimers. I consider myself an entertainer, advertise and represent myself as such, and am satisfied that offering my services as an entertainer is all the disclaimer that is necessary. While I perform both as a magician and as a mentalist, I never combine the two in the same performance (I know some others who do and have no problem with their doing so, but I don’t. That is a matter of personal choice and reflects my preference for maintaining theatrical consistency in any single performance.) My performances as a mentalist, with rare exception, consist almost entirely of demonstrations of mindreading, i.e., no psychokinesis, no predictions, no Russian Roulette or “danger” effects (this too is in the interest of theatrical consistency). In none of my performances do I either make claims or offer disclaimers, nor do I explain what I do. I just do it and let the observers come to their own conclusions.

I don’t know what type of performance you do, but my sense of the audience’s perception to performances of magic vs. mentalism is rather different than yours. I find a very real difference between the two genres. No one, with the possible exception of very young children or those holding the most fundamental religious beliefs, is likely to think that anything they see in a magic show is real. As you have pointed out, they simply suspend their disbelief in return for being entertained. It has been my experience that the typical audience at a performance of mentalism sees things very differently. Probably 20-25% assume it’s simply trickery, 20-25% believe it’s real and the other 50-60% aren’t sure -- and THEY are the ones I’m playing to. My goal is to have them leave the show wondering. I don’t presume to tell the audience what to think, I just tell them what they’re thinking. As long as they are entertained, and hopefully left to wonder, the conclusions they may reach regarding the “reality” of what I do is none of my concern.

I think that is what Dunninger, who might be considered the father of modern stage mentalism (at least in the US), had in mind when he closed his performances with “For those who believe, no explanation is needed. For those who do not believe, no explanation is possible” -- a line still used by Kreskin. The comments that I and other performers often hear from audience members after a show offers no evidence that claims, disclaimers, or the lack thereof, have any significant impact on their beliefs. People tend to cling tenaciously to their preconceptions and it is difficult if not impossible to convince them to change their beliefs. It is however, possible to challenge those beliefs without either trying or expecting to change them. It is not surprising that the audience reaction to your performances of Branded is “great,” neither is there any reason to assume that you intended to “insult their intelligence” or have done so. While they may be surprised, it is doubtful that they are fooled. Rather than being left to wonder, it is more likely that they enjoyed being entertained by a “trick.”

For Mr. Trono: It is interesting to note and, I believe, lends credence to my argument, that you wrote that it is “a concern that initially both Jack Tillar and I had” and that struggling with it is one of the reasons why you delayed the release of Branded. I don’t doubt, nor have I questioned, the quality or effectiveness of the Branded gimmick. The Café Forum to which I responded (Tricks & Effects, reviews of magic tricks) was clearly intended to solicit comments on the effect. My post simply reflected my opinion. As I have noted in some of my posts on other topics, “opinions are like rectums, everybody has one and is entitled to his own.” Given the overwhelming number of favorable posts about Branded, my negative comments clearly represent a minority opinion. But that does not invalidate them. Nor do I expect that they will adversely affect your sales -- if anything, the fact that I seem to have stirred up a bit of controversy may prompt some who might not have planned to do so to purchase Branded just to see what the fuss is all about. Unless a topic being discussed involves a matter of verifiable historical fact, there is no basis for declaring someone’s assertions either “right” or “wrong.” While I had no doubt that many would be quick to disagree, which is certainly their right, I merely expressed my opinion. It was not my intention to insult anyone.

If I am guilty of anything it is of failing to qualify my disparaging comments to make it plain that they were directed at some, but by no means all, magicians. In retrospect it is easy to see how they came across as expressing an unwarranted generality and, for that, I offer my apology.

Yes, there are both competent and incompetent mentalists just as there are competent and incompetent magicians. There are also some very good magic tricks and a few very bad ones. The vast majority of them can be very good -- even great -- in the right hands, but can also be dreadful in the wrong hands. More often than not, what makes a trick great, merely good, or truly awful is its presentation. There are effects that are clearly meant to be “magic” and can never be anything else. There are others that can be called “mental magic,” (i.e., essentially a “magic trick” but one that lends itself to presentation with a “mental theme”) and others that clearly qualify as “mentalism” (for now I include predictions, psychokinesis, metal bending, etc., in addition to mindreading, in that category). There are also quite a few effects that IMO can be come across as either “mental magic” or “mentalism” depending on the manner and context in which they are presented.

It is my contention, whether speaking of magic, “mental magic,” or “mentalism” it is essential, both psychologically and theatrically, that the effect must “make sense,” i.e., have some underlying rational context, and that some relationship -- even if tenuous at best -- between cause and effect must be established. This is NOT to say that it is necessary for the audience to BELIEVE that what they have witnessed is real, but there needs to be some shred of credibility that makes it plausible that, perhaps, just perhaps, it COULD be real. In the basic blister effect, while one may not believe that burning the tip of a finger drawn on a piece of paper should cause a real blister to appear on the performer’s finger, at least some rationale for that premise is available. To those whose analytic processes lean toward the scientific, it may evoke a psychosomatic explanation. To those who view the world through the lens of religion, thoughts of the stigmata may come to mind. The superstitious may perceive it as voodoo or black magic. But it offers some rationale consistent with almost every belief system. I’m waiting for someone to offer any rationale -- other than “clever trick” -- for the idea that holding a finger to the forehead of someone who is thinking of a playing card could result in a blister in the shape of a pip appearing on the performer’s finger. It is just too big a stretch. It may be puzzling, it may be surprising, but it sure isn’t mentalism -- I’m not even convinced that it really qualifies as “magic” except in the very broadest sense that "magic" = "anything I don't understand."

When David Copperfield made a Lear Jet vanish -- something that most people would say was impossible -- he did it in such a way that it caused some people to think “well, maybe it IS possible after all.” A few months after that TV show a woman approached me after one of my performances and asked if I knew “how that fellow made the airplane disappear.” When I responded that I didn’t know for sure but that, as a magician, I had my theories, she responded with “you know, I understand that they still haven’t found that plane.” As impossible as the idea seemed, there was still a glimmer of thought that it MIGHT have been possible after all. When, in a subsequent TV special he appeared to fly across the Grand Canyon I don’t think anyone perceived it as magic, but just as nothing more than an obvious camera trick -- hardly anything that enhanced Copperfield’s stature as a magician.

IMO it is the difference between entertaining observers with tricks and leaving them wondering whether or not what they have witnessed is real that separates “magic” and “mental magic” from “mentalism.” Although the goal of the magician, the “mental magician” and the “mentalist” may be to entertain and neither expects to change their audience’s beliefs, it is only the mentalist who strives to challenge the audiences perceptions of reality. While the difference between “surprised” and “fooled,” “entertained” and ”left to wonder,” and “challenge” vs. “change” may be one of nuance it seems to me to be at the heart of the difference between the impact of Branded and that of Tillar’s unadulterated original blister effect.

That's just my opinion. Whether or not others agree or disagree is up to them.

Thank you wading through a long dissertation (assuming, of course, that you have done so).
Message: Posted by: Sid Helkule (Sep 10, 2008 07:53PM)
Wow. I thought magic and mentalism was about entertaining people. It makes me rather sad to read these kinds of posts, especially being new to the magic Café. I don't know one single magician or mentalist here in Brisbane, and joined the magic Café to try and meet people who have a passion for entertaining that rivals my own. I perform Branded and get fantastic reactions. The smiles, the excitement and the laughter prove that this effect is incredibly entertaining. And that's what I'm here to do - entertain.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Sep 11, 2008 01:41AM)
Once again Mr. Christian I find your post demeaning, insulting, and wrong in so many ways. You make generalization after generalization, assumption without fact after assumption without fact.

You start off by talking about Morgan Strebler and "his audience" who you "assume" is a group of giggling teenagers. I can assure you that despite your apparent disagreement with Mr. Strebler's "look" he performs for some of the top paying, top level (corporate, celebrities, etc.) clients in Las Vegas. Morgan uses Branded as he realizes the strength of the effect and he USES this on high end clients including Tom Hanks and many other top names. Morgan's clients consist of the upper echelon visitors in one of the most prestigious casinos in Vegas and this is who he is using Branded for on a daily basis to make a good living.

I think you repeatedly make broad assumptions without any fact and I think that is shortsighted. You "assume" Morgan just plays to young people on the street because of his look, you assume that anyone doing magic is not quite up to the standard of anyone doing mentalism, etc. I once heard a sales person say you should NEVER make broad assumptions... that the most simply dressed person could be a multi millionaire and that the person dressed to the T could just be someone with nothing trying hard to look like they have it.

I am certainly fine with you bringing up concerns about my effect for others to examine if your concern is valid or not, makes sense for you to buy or not, etc. I'd take Morgan's endorsement any day as Morgan is very particular on what he uses, is out there performing for a living to a clientele list that many of us can only dream of, etc. But besides Morgan (as I have previously stated) people such as Ted Karmilovich, Michael Weber, David Blaine, Kenton Knepper, Keith Barry, etc. have USED the card blister effect and KNOW the strength of this item. Apparently they are wrong as well.

You are clearly fixated on the original blister effect as that works for you. I'd urge you to keep using it and to NOT get Branded. You have obviously closed your mind to the possibility that it plays as magic and that is fine. You should NOT buy it. I have NO desire to cram this down your throat. The original Blister effect IS great and there is simply no dispute about that. I've done it for many years. But I can tell you from EXPERIENCE that the card blister plays stronger. Even my friend Jack Tillar had to say "maybe I was wrong in my assumption as I never tried it". I've DONE my research, I've talked to many of the top names in magic who have USED the card blister effect, and I have seen from personal experience how it plays.

I have offered to send you one to try (and either return it if you don't get great reactions with it or if you did and wanted to keep it to just pay whatever dealer you normally purchase from) but you have obviously chosen to not take me up on the offer. Again, I don't mind discussing concerns but when you put myself and others down who have tried it it is simply wrong.

I understand every aspect of the blister effect from many many conversations with the creator Jack Tillar, from my own use of it, from having long involved discussions with many of the top thinkers and creators in magic about this effect, and from studying everything I could on this effect. As I, and many other top magicians and mentalists have advised, the effect of the card blister gets an amazing reaction. People DO feel they have seen the real thing. I know you are not convinced and that is fine... definitely stick where you are at.

In response to Terry you state about magic vs. mentalism that there is a "very real difference between the two genres". Well I am friends and have seen in person some of the best mentalists in the world including Michael Weber, Tim Conover, Banachek, and others... people believe what they do is real or possibly real. Likewise I have seen some of the most contrived, procedural, and just awful mentalism. I have seen other friends such as David Blaine perform magic live and people think they have seen the real thing. I'd say I have seen more magic than mentalism being done where people look at it as real or possibly real. You'd expect the contrary but that is not what I have seen and I have seen a lot. It is what works for the individual, what is believable for them, etc.

Once again, I find comments such as when you state to Terry "While they may be surprised, it is doubtful that they are fooled. Rather than being left to wonder, it is more likely that they enjoyed being entertained by a “trick"". How would YOU know - were you there to see Terry perform? Do you know what he does? Have YOU talked to any of his audiences? Do you know what he even does with this? To make such a comment is simply out of line and insulting.

You then go on to say to me "The Café Forum to which I responded (Tricks & Effects, reviews of magic tricks) was clearly intended to solicit comments on the effect. My post simply reflected my opinion." I am not sure how you can offer a educated, accurate, or ethical opinion of this EFFECT without seeing/buying it or trying it. To me it's like giving a movie review by simply watching the trailer.

If you wish to discuss magic vs. mentalism that is a different debate and should be directed elsewhere. It's also a debate I am happy to partake. Obviously I am happy to discuss concerns as I don't want ANYONE buying Branded and worrying about their purchase. I DO think that it's a valid discussion in these sections. I stand behind Branded 100% as I am confident from studying this effect, USING it, discussing it at length with others who have used it, etc.

You go on to state "I seem to have stirred up a bit of controversy may prompt some who might not have planned to do so to purchase Branded just to see what the fuss is all about." I can assure you Branded can stand on its own merits and I'd rather have someone buy it on its merits then to buy it for curiosity due to controversy. Quite the contrary- I'd rather not have anyone buy it out of curiosity. I KNOW it is a good item, plays incredibly strong, and is a true worker. That is why I shared it and that is the only reason I'd want someone to get it.

Tim Trono
Message: Posted by: Review King (Sep 11, 2008 01:55AM)
Mr. Christian, I would have preferred your statements to be in the "Food For Thought" section of the Café as you don't have Branded and are not offering a review. I've asked the Café Moderators to consider moving it.

I'm very big on having spirited debate as I think different points of view help everyone. But, I don't care for comments that judge someone by their "look" as you have with Mr. Strebler. He's a Professional Entertainer that has chosen a look and style that fits his personality. It has not prevented him from getting work in the venues that you say he would not be welcomed into.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Sep 13, 2008 02:31AM)
Big Blind Media is about to come out with a SMOKING new deck of cards (looks great!) and part of it has the 3H for Branded taken into consideration. Watch for it coming soon.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Review King (Sep 13, 2008 07:17PM)
[quote]
On 2008-09-13 02:31, Tim Trono wrote:
Big Blind Media is about to come out with a SMOKING new deck of cards (looks great!) and part of it has the 3H for Branded taken into consideration. Watch for it coming soon.

Tim
[/quote]

Here's the Big Blind link for the deck:
http://bigblindmedia.com/karnival.htm
Message: Posted by: Dick Christian (Sep 14, 2008 08:58AM)
Msrs. Trono & Kavanagh:

In final response to your posts of 9/11.

Please don’t put words in my mouth. While I did refer to “teens to 20s” I don’t recall using the phrase “giggling teenagers” in my post. I would also have thought that anyone who read my comments regarding Mr. Strebler carefully would have discerned that I was not criticizing his choice of either his look, style or persona. It is clear from the video (and I thought from my comments) that it is perfectly suited to both his style and the audience seen in the video and for street performing in many urban areas. I would expect that it also plays well in Las Vegas, and/or Hollywood. Nonetheless I think it safe to say that, except for the college crowd, it would not play well in the Washington, DC society or corporate and association markets with which I am most familiar.

I have not criticized the quality of the Branded prop, suggested that it doesn’t function as intended, or denied that it is a clever trick. I have simply expressed, albeit in stronger terms than might have been necessary, my OPINION regarding its effectiveness as a demonstration of mentalism vs. that of the “classic” blister effect. It is obvious from the posts on the thread to which I was responding that mine is a minority opinion -- a fact that I have readily and consistently acknowledged. My intention is not to assert that those whose opinions differ from mine are wrong or persuade them to change their minds -- it is merely to offer an alternative view for consideration which readers are free to accept of reject as they wish. I am delighted that Branded is such a success and have not taken you up on your offer to send me one because, as you have no doubt surmised, it’s just not consistent with my presentation.

I am sorry that expressing an opinion that is contrary to yours is something you find so disagreeable and have no desire to compound the offense by continuing this discussion.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Sep 14, 2008 12:24PM)
Mr. Christian, you are giving a view, not a review. In either case, you want to prevent folks from offering their responses under the guise that you are being treated unfairly by voicing your view and that is not the case. You just want to be able to say anything you want, be a snob and have everyone accept it. You don't get to do that, no matter ho much you try to "spin" what others are saying in response to you.

And you are offering speculation when you say "Nonetheless I think it safe to say that, except for the college crowd, it would not play well in the Washington, DC society or corporate and association markets with which I am most familiar".

How do you know? Tim Trono offered to send you a Branded© and instead of accepting and trying it out, you instead decide to not try it and still take the stand "it’s just not consistent with my presentation".

You can't say it won't work, when you won't try it. It comes off that you are afraid to try it and be proved wrong.

Mr. Christian, even when giving opinions, 2+2 has to equal 4. Your posts do not and looking at the list Professionals that are using Branded©, you are in the minority.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Sep 14, 2008 12:54PM)
Anyone else using the voodoo card trick that Greg Wilson teaches on the DVD? I think it's so strong because the magic is in their hands.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Sep 14, 2008 04:11PM)
I received 2 ideas with Branded from my friend Keith Barry in Ireland. Keith will be performing a run soon at Planet Hollywood (Stomp Out Loud Showroom) in Las Vegas starting late October. Be sure to check it out if you are in or can get in to Vegas. Also, make sure you look up Keith's TV shows... some GREAT magic.

Keith has been USING Branded in his professional work. He has allowed me to share a couple of ideas he is doing (though if you decide to try either you do so at your own risk as the first one can be dangerous and I wouldn't recommend doing it).

In Keith's own words:

"I put a small amount of lighter fluid on cotton wool inside a small sealed container which has a small slit in the top to allow access, but will still prevent the gas from evaporating too quickly. Anyway, I'm sure you're way ahead of me now - I dip my fingers in, 'brand' myself [get the blister via Branded]- and actually set my fingers on fire for just a second. This alone gets a great response, then when I show them the card they go crazy..

My other thought was to use branded in conjunction with Electric Touch - instead of the blisters appearing because of a burn they appear from a shock 'during the transmission of the thought of card' between the magician and the spectator."

I love the idea with the Electric Touch. I'm thinking about this with Morgan's presentation.

Thanks to Keith Barry!

Tim
Message: Posted by: toberman (Sep 15, 2008 02:05AM)
As Tim suggested a few posts back, I just watched the Robert Parrish Card Force on the Al Mann Lecture DVD from Lybrary.com. It's extremely clever and clean looking and makes a great combination with Branded.

Terry
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Sep 15, 2008 12:24PM)
One other force to consider if Mark Mason's Attitude Force taught on his Real World Magic DVD set. This DVD set and his Decade DVD set have some GREAT material. This force mentioned looks like the Classic Force but is sure fire. It's great.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Review King (Sep 16, 2008 01:52AM)
Keith Barry's idea is another example of taking this a step further.

For anyone unfamiliar with Mark mason's "Attitude Force" it is as Tim says, essentially the Classic Force. It has all the fairness of that force, but Mark takes advantage of human conditioning to improve the chances of the right card being chosen. It's extremely clever. I'm surprised more isn't mentioned about it.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Sep 17, 2008 05:47PM)
[quote]
On 2008-09-13 02:31, Tim Trono wrote:
Big Blind Media is about to come out with a SMOKING new deck of cards (looks great!) and part of it has the 3H for Branded taken into consideration. Watch for it coming soon.

Tim
[/quote]

Tim, anything you can share about this new deck?
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Sep 18, 2008 03:42PM)
I have only seen pictures as the decks don't come in until late October but they look phenomenal. Owen Packard of Big Blind Media is a fan of Branded so advised he had worked in something on the design....

Tim
Message: Posted by: Review King (Sep 20, 2008 10:18AM)
There's some talk about the new deck here in Latest and Greatest:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=274883&forum=218&12

Liam Montier ( the very talented fellow on the Wicked World Of Liam Montier UltraViolet DVD's ) got to play with one and loves them.
Message: Posted by: Andi Peters (Sep 20, 2008 12:30PM)
[quote]
On 2008-09-20 10:18, Christopher Kavanagh wrote:
There's some talk about the new deck here in Latest and Greatest:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=274883&forum=218&12

Liam Montier ( the very talented fellow on the Wicked World Of Liam Montier UltraViolet DVD's ) got to play with one and loves them.
[/quote]
Liam has released DVDs through BBM so I'm not surprised he loves them!
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Sep 22, 2008 02:18AM)
Paul Harris and I had a long, interesting talk today. During our talk, Paul brought up a very interesting point about Branded. Paul felt that many people can't make it believable that they actually burned their fingers creating a blister. I'd probably agree. This is why Patrick Wolford's idea can really come into play. When I was developing Branded, Patrick, Greg Wilson, Koz, and I sat around in Vegas and discussed ideas. Patrick's idea was that you discuss the fact that you burned yourself a few days ago. AS you are talking about this you openly (but secretly) get the round blisters. You show the blisters. This makes it so you don't have to TRY to ACT as you've apparently already had the blisters. People are familiar with the standard round blister so all of this is believable. You can then go into any of the ideas... you can wave the flame from the lighter between your finger and thumb pretending it is morphing the blisters as you advise "look, can you see it change" (if they say yes which they often will it makes it even stronger) or do Andy Amyx's idea of writing on the paper and burning it causing that to morph the blisters or do Morgan Strebler's idea of the blister morphing in their mind as you touch their head and show them it has indeed morphed. What is great about Patrick's idea is that it also speeds up the routine... you are not first burring yourself in front of them to get the round blister. It also makes it so you don't have to try to sell that you are burning yourself.

Tim
Message: Posted by: omeech (Sep 22, 2008 12:48PM)
OK, I received by Branded package from Tim at the weekend, and guess what? Yep, I love it too!

As well as all the reasons already mentioned, it's just a really good quality product - a rare thing these days. The gimmicks, the DVD, heck - even the music on the DVD is great.

Plus, Tim has really thought everything through. you can tell by his thorough responses on this thread.

A few things I've been thinking about with Branded:
- Thought of card blister: since the numbers used on the lighter gimmick are quite psychologically popular, you could have them stare into the flame and call out number from 1 to 10, then call out a suit. if they say 3 or 7, make the impression and show it. if they say some other number just use an invisible deck or make a joke out of getting it wrong.
- Blister on spectator's finger: I don't know how but it'd be very cool to press it onto their skin without them realising it or under cover of pressing on something else.
- Waving fingers: just like in the twirl change, you can wave your fingers back and forth and slowly them down to people's eyes slowly adjust to the change.
- In their fist: combine Branded with Ashes in the Palm - mark their palm, show the standard blister, get the card blister impression, have them hold your finger in their fist, wave the flame under their fist, yank out your finger as if burnt and show the changed blister, then have them open their hands to see the ash.

OK, I'll stop brainstorming!

One last thing - if you haven't already, buy it.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Sep 23, 2008 09:27PM)
Hi Oliver. Thanks for the kind words and great ideas. I also have played with the wave change (basically using something similar to Garrett Thomas' Ring Thing with the round/card blister so it transforms visibly). I like your idea especially of the ashes.

BTW if you have not seen Oliver's book The Plot Thickens then buy it. he's got some great ideas. I have been crazy busy lately but am going through it and playing with some of the many excellent ideas.

If you have any questions, concerns, etc,. let me know Oliver. Also, don't overlook the voodoo card trick on the DVD - gets a great reaction far out of proportion to the easy method.

Thanks again.

Tim
Message: Posted by: omeech (Sep 24, 2008 05:52AM)
Thanks for the generous words, Tim. Btw, if anyone wants to check out the book, it's on my website (see my signature below).

I've got a gig coming up in a couple of weeks and can't wait to unleash the voodoo trick! I'm just wondering if there's a way to make it easily repeatable. My first three thoughts were -
1) a dedicated deck with 26 cards pre-burnt.
2) pairs of mates, one burnt and one not, in a separate pocket then adding a pair to the deck each time.
3) duplicates of the mate of the burnt card so you always use the same voodoo card.

But I'd love to hear what other people think - how would you approach it?
Message: Posted by: Review King (Sep 24, 2008 06:13AM)
[quote]
On 2008-09-24 05:52, omeech wrote:
Thanks for the generous words, Tim. Btw, if anyone wants to check out the book, it's on my website (see my signature below).

I've got a gig coming up in a couple of weeks and can't wait to unleash the voodoo trick! I'm just wondering if there's a way to make it easily repeatable. My first three thoughts were -
1) a dedicated deck with 26 cards pre-burnt.
2) pairs of mates, one burnt and one not, in a separate pocket then adding a pair to the deck each time.
3) duplicates of the mate of the burnt card so you always use the same voodoo card.

But I'd love to hear what other people think - how would you approach it?
[/quote]

Oliver, the Voodoo Card trick is one of my all time favorite effects to perform. I do it with a signed card. Tim was kind enough to post it on the Branded site:

http://brandedmagic.com/page/2/

Chris
Message: Posted by: omeech (Sep 24, 2008 09:30AM)
Excellent thinking Chris - I love the idea of the burn over the signature.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Sep 24, 2008 05:19PM)
Chris' idea of adding signatures to the Voodoo Card effect is GREAT! It really makes it almost a test condition effect and is the perfect start to Branded. I actually do it from the BACK of the deck using a double backer and the burned card. Not sure why but I just prefer this. Thus I (apparently) sign the back of the card (actually the DB card) and flip it over and they sign the face (they are signing the pre singed/burned card). It's kind of like I have shown them what to do as I sign the back and they then sign the face. I then show the back again, the face again, and I have them use one finger to slide off the card off the deck and cover it with their hand. I then take out the mate and go through the voodoo thing. I have DBs and singed cards in my pocket and I just add in.

Tim
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Sep 24, 2008 05:44PM)
Here's an idea for restaurant workers where fajita's are served. When the waiter brings out the fajita's, they are usually on a cast iron skillet that is ridiculously hot! using the Leidenfrost Effect, you'll be able to pinch the skillet and then immediately show the blisters. No I'm not saying that you'll get blisters from grabbing the skillet either. You'll truly grab the skill, but will not be burned. Please research the Leidenfrost Effect to ensure your safety! Below is the definition of the Leidenfrost Effect:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leidenfrost_effect

p.s. lick your fingers first!
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Sep 26, 2008 12:49AM)
Ok here are some of Lonnie Chevrie's points on the standard Riffle Force. I won't go through all of the details of the Riffle Force and assume you know that. Look at some of the details in Card College. Here I will focus on Lonnie's tips:

- start with the force card on the top of the deck. Advise that you will riffle down to the center of the deck and ask them to call out stop at any point AS you demonstrate (stopping the riffle at the center). You THEN cut the cards at that point and complete the cut in your hands (maintaining the break). Often one just cuts the force card to the center with absolutely no motivation and then goes straight (immediately) into the Riffle Force. I think this brings undue attention as there is no reason for the initial cut. Here Lonnie gives the motivation of explaining what he is about to do- he is giving them advance instructions.
- The status is you now have the upper half of the deck followed by the left little finger break followed by the force card and finally followed by the stock below the force card
- you then riffle down on the edge with your left thumb (standard) but instead of starting from the top of the deck you start near the top of the lower stock (just below the force card) and riffle down
- when they say stop you stop and advise " so this is precisely where you wanted me to stop- is that correct" - JUST as they confirm this you let the stock fall and lift at the break. They have confirmed that this is where you wanted them to stop and THEN when they confirm you do the standard dirty work.
- you then thumb off the force card and proceed as normal.

These are small but important points. Try it. Next time you see Lonnie thank him.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Miraclemakers (Sep 26, 2008 04:48AM)
Branded, one of my best buy on this year......
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Sep 26, 2008 01:58PM)
Thanks Miraclemakers. I am really happy to hear that.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Hart Keene (Sep 27, 2008 12:48PM)
[quote]
On 2008-09-24 17:44, lunatik wrote:
Here's an idea for restaurant workers where fajita's are served. When the waiter brings out the fajita's, they are usually on a cast iron skillet that is ridiculously hot! using the Leidenfrost Effect, you'll be able to pinch the skillet and then immediately show the blisters. No I'm not saying that you'll get blisters from grabbing the skillet either. You'll truly grab the skill, but will not be burned. Please research the Leidenfrost Effect to ensure your safety! Below is the definition of the Leidenfrost Effect:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leidenfrost_effect

p.s. lick your fingers first!
[/quote]

I don't think this is appropriate for restaurants. But as you all know I do love Branded!!!!!
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Sep 27, 2008 01:34PM)
Probably not the licking of your fingers lol. but try it at home, it's amazing! maybe if you had a wet sponge you could touch it and then pinch the hot skillet?
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Sep 28, 2008 02:58PM)
Yeah it would scare me LOL. As mentioned above it's hard to ACT like you really burned yourself so consider Patrick Wolford's idea of apparently having it prior and then doing the morph.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Review King (Sep 30, 2008 01:20AM)
Cody Fishers 2006 Magic Castle Lecture Notes has his In-Jog Riffle Force, which is a beautiful force. The notes are available as a download:
http://www.professionalmiracles.com/downloads.htm

The notes are filled with worker material.

You can see Cody perform it and teach it here. If you use it, play fair with Cody and order his lecture notes or his wonderful Cody Fisher On Magic DVD, which also shows him use the force.

http://www.professionalmiracles.com/videos.htm
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Oct 2, 2008 04:43PM)
I just went back and watched Cody's DVD and this force IS excellent. I love Cody's work. Also, if you have not subscribed to Mike Close's review site do so. On it Bob Framer teaches some great fishing ideas using a force mentioned on the Branded DVD so they have a choice of various cards yet you get the blister still.

Thanks for the reminder on this force Chris.

Tim
Message: Posted by: ahzhe (Oct 3, 2008 11:31PM)
I still cannot find a bic lighter in my country, maybe Tim should include one into the package, or sell it seperately through murphy's magic supplies
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Oct 3, 2008 11:56PM)
I'd love to BUT the unfortunate thing is is that lighters are considered Hazardous Materials as far as shipping so cost to do this would preclude it. I'd encourage you to look on line as I imagine there are places that have Bic lighters and are able/authorized to ship. I never suspected that Bic lighters would be difficult to find but I have found in some countries they are a bit harder to find as they have been replaced by cheaper lighters in various shapes.

Tim
Message: Posted by: ahzhe (Oct 4, 2008 12:07AM)
I cannot find any online seller as well, do you have any suggestion or recommendation?
Message: Posted by: Hart Keene (Oct 4, 2008 12:22PM)
[quote]
On 2008-10-04 00:07, ahzhe wrote:
I cannot find any online seller as well, do you have any suggestion or recommendation?
[/quote]

You could move... ;)
Message: Posted by: Review King (Oct 4, 2008 05:16PM)
[quote]
On 2008-10-04 00:07, ahzhe wrote:
I cannot find any online seller as well, do you have any suggestion or recommendation?
[/quote]

ebay has sellers that have Bic lighters.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Oct 4, 2008 05:54PM)
I also found them on Amazon.com, etc. - both packs of mini and regular
Message: Posted by: Review King (Oct 7, 2008 08:43AM)
[quote]
On 2008-09-13 02:31, Tim Trono wrote:
Big Blind Media is about to come out with a SMOKING new deck of cards (looks great!) and part of it has the 3H for Branded taken into consideration. Watch for it coming soon.

Tim
[/quote]

I got an e-mail that the deck is now ready:
http://www.bigblindmediausa.com/karnivalusa.htm

It's called the 'KARNIVAL DECK'.

* Two amazing card reveals built into the deck:
The Barcode on the case has a ‘hidden’ Seven Of Spades
One of the Jokers has a ‘3 Of Hearts’ clutched in his skeletal hand ( this will be of interest to BRANDED users ).
* Included free in the deck is a double backer and a special BigBlindMedia advertising card!
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Oct 8, 2008 12:04AM)
Speaking of BBM watch the new Joshua Jay DVD for a great force.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Ben Morris-Rains (Oct 8, 2008 01:58AM)
I use branded constantly since I purchased it. Besides a pack of cards, I always have this in my pocket. I have a question though, is it possible to order extra gimmicks? Seems mine has chipped on the bottom.

thanks,
Ben Morris-Rains
http://www.outofthehatmagic.com
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Oct 8, 2008 02:21AM)
Ben, PM me with your address and e-mail address and I'll replace the broken unit. I want to ensure all purchasers are happy and I stand behind Branded 100%. Glad you like it and are getting lots of use with it.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Review King (Oct 10, 2008 02:37PM)
I carry the "small" lighter with me each day. At night, it goes in the dish with my keys and cell phone so I don't forget or misplace it. I keep the larger lighter in my car.

Anyone else?
Message: Posted by: Devts (Oct 10, 2008 07:32PM)
Is there any difference in ease of handeling with a small versus large lighter?
Message: Posted by: Mr Roy (Oct 10, 2008 11:25PM)
And Is the gimmick gonna last long?
Message: Posted by: Review King (Oct 11, 2008 11:53AM)
The small lighter has 1 card impression, the larger has 3. I myself haven't seen and discernable difference in handling one over the other.

The gimmick has no moving parts. Unless your dropped it at a certain angle on a hard surface, meaning a freak sort of accident situation, I don't see why this wouldn't last for years and years ( I don't' see why it wouldn't last the life of your performance career ).

Tim Trono, as everyone can see that reads this thread, guarantees his product, so on how long it lasts isn't an issue.

I'd only remove the gimmick to replace the lighter, which needs replacing depending on how often you perform. Large lighters today get about 3,000 lights. The smaller lighters...get less.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Oct 11, 2008 02:59PM)
I typically only use the small lighter but am not performing walk around and doing it over and over like I used to (where I probably would use the larger one for multiple cards). If your Branded gimmick breaks contact me privately and I'll replace it if reasonable at my discretion. In the end I want to ensure everyone who buys Branded from their favorite dealer is happy and well taken care of. But as Chris points out there are no moving parts, etc. so unless some weird thing happens it should last for many many years.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Nico Zottos (Oct 11, 2008 03:19PM)
I use the big one most often. . .the small is still in its packaging :D
I use the big one because I prefer doing branded with the King of Clubs. . .It seems to appear better on my skin than the others.
Message: Posted by: oldi (Oct 12, 2008 09:50AM)
Instead of f.....g a card, Brandet could be used together with Gordon Beans Time Card.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Oct 12, 2008 11:05PM)
Thanks for the suggestion Oldi.. I'll check that out.

Tim
Message: Posted by: MagicianDM (Oct 13, 2008 02:10AM)
Can you accidentally burn yourself when you perform the trick?
Message: Posted by: Roth (Oct 13, 2008 02:12AM)
[quote]
On 2008-10-13 02:10, MagicianDM wrote:
Can you accidentally burn yourself when you perform the trick?
[/quote]
Not likely.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Oct 13, 2008 02:32AM)
ANY time you use lighters, matches, flash paper, or do anything with fire you can burn yourself. That is why you should obviously be careful. If you have concerns about this consider using Morgan Strebler's handling of Branded where you DO light a lighter but just for a moment as you have them shut their eyes and continue to envision the flame and now the card in the flame in their mind. In Morgan's presentation you are not pretending to burn your fingers from the flame itself or using the flame itself to apparently morph the blister. But again, anytime fire is involved you have the potential to burn yourself so you should be careful and minors should NOT use lighters, matches, flash paper, or other flammable items. The gimmick itself is not at all dangerous but lighters can be so use caution.

Tim
Message: Posted by: MagicianDM (Oct 13, 2008 07:35AM)
Thanks Roth and Tim, now I want this..
Message: Posted by: Slepton (Oct 13, 2008 11:33AM)
Thanks Mr Trono for this release. I am using it at least three or for times for each of my gigs (which makes more than 20 times a week) since 2 months. However, I broke the large gimmicks as I was using it without the lighter inside (due to my pattern, I have a special lighter). In any case, I suceed in repairing it. Great reactions from the public, especially using the flashpaper idea of Mr Kavanagh.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Oct 13, 2008 02:02PM)
Hi Slepton. Please PM me with your mailing address and we can discuss how we can replace the large gimmick for you. I am glad you are enjoying this.

MagicianDM, I hope you enjoy Branded. I think you'll find the reactions are amazing ad I am confident you will be happy with your purchase. Be sure to check out the support site noted on the DVD for additional ideas, etc. Also don't overlook the Voodoo Card trick. It's super easy but incredibly strong (especially with Chris' idea posted on the support site).

Thanks guys. I hope to see some of you at Mindvention.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Review King (Oct 16, 2008 05:03AM)
[quote]
On 2008-10-11 15:19, Nico Zottos wrote:
I use the big one most often. . .the small is still in its packaging :D
I use the big one because I prefer doing branded with the King of Clubs. . .It seems to appear better on my skin than the others.
[/quote]

Nico, the KC comes through better on my skin as well, but for some reason the other cards look more like real blisters/burns, on my skin, so I went with using the 3H.

Does anyone have a card they prefer to go with or use most often?
Message: Posted by: Sid Helkule (Oct 16, 2008 08:28AM)
Christopher, definitely the 3H for me is without a doubt the most realistic looking blister. I found that having fairly pale skin and also waiting too long for the reveal of the KC makes people have to look that little bit harder to discern what is actually there. Plus in darker settings I believe it is harder to see than the 3H.

I considered fake tanning the tips of my fingers, but decided that it would only end in tears. And bewildered stares from my audience. Unless I wore fingerless gloves.

"Coming soon the Branded Vitamin D Deficiency Kit, containing fake tan, fingerless gloves, sweaty hands and the inability to palm cards."

Tim if this takes off I want a slice. ;)

Luke
Message: Posted by: jbolt (Oct 16, 2008 08:36AM)
This is a great effect and wonderful gimmick. It's very practical and effective. Nice.


Jbolt
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Oct 16, 2008 07:13PM)
Great idea Luke LOL.

Thanks Jbolt. Glad you like it!

Tim
Message: Posted by: Sammy J. (Oct 16, 2008 11:03PM)
I perfer to use the small lighter with the 3H. I think it looks more natural while holding it in front of the spectators. I use the flash paper routine instead of the morph. It's great! I guess that if I start performing it for multiple audiences in the same venue, I will use the large lighter, but the small one is my favorite.

Sam
Message: Posted by: jprace (Oct 17, 2008 12:03AM)
This looks fantastic. My age is the only thing holding me back from getting this, and my parents! But Tim, this looks excellent!
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Oct 19, 2008 02:41PM)
I received a really nice unexpected call from Simon Lovell this morning. I had given Simon Branded at the IBM/SAM convention in Kentucky. Simon advised he recently started to use it and has been using it all of the time, carrying it with him all of the time, and getting great reactions.

Here is the quote Simon gave "Brilliant! The first trick I have added to my working repertoire in years". Simon went on and advised he felt this was "the trick of the decade".

I was extremely pleased by this unexpected and really nice call. Simon truly understands what plays from his extensive performing ability. To know this is something he is USING and carrying with him all of the time is an honor.

Tim
Message: Posted by: deputy (Oct 19, 2008 03:57PM)
I have to add to the praise of this effect. I carry this everywhere. Its easy to use and it slays people, what more can you ask for? Tim, great job and look forward to more ideas from you. Ryan
Message: Posted by: Simon Lovell (Oct 19, 2008 09:58PM)
Tim,

Just to confirm that I totally stand by my comments to you - I love this effect!

Congrats on making the effect of a blister into an incredible and wonderful presentation!

Hope to see you soon,

Simon
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Oct 19, 2008 11:43PM)
THANKS Simon. It is appreciated.

Tim
Message: Posted by: silverking (Oct 20, 2008 08:56PM)
I wasn't the least bit interested in this (or any blister effect really) when it first came out............but after [i]15 pages[/i] of almost nothing but positive reviews, I picked one up to try out.

I know the basic workings as a result of this thread, and I can see how much sense the prop makes in the context of the handling of the effect.
Message: Posted by: A.G. (Oct 20, 2008 09:39PM)
I have to say that this tool/effect has a high impact on people, and I think that the story they can tell after is really amazing !

Think about it..... If you heard there was a guy that did an amazing card trick, ok.. or that this magician made your coin dissapear....

BUT when they can say, I thought of a card, The guy burned his finger with a lighter, and the card blistered into his skin !!! This is a legend and reputation maker in the real world, and on top I feel like a kid saying ...
ITS JUST SOOOOO COOL !!! LOL

I love performing this every chance I get.

I won't say go buy it because ,if you have any sense, you already own it.

Thank you Tim.

All The best always,
Andrew Gerard

PS: When I perform this I really commit to the idea that I have been really burned, and express a little pain on my face.... If they do not offer, I ask if anyone has a bandaid etc... 9 out of ten times, someone has a first aid kit with alcohol etc,, and I let them bandage me up. ..also a good reason not to show the blister, that will not be there.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Oct 21, 2008 12:16PM)
Sometimes Branded and a loop is all I have on me :D Psychological forcing of the numbers works a charm most of the time and often if you are off, you are off by one, which is still pretty impressive. You also have all 4 suits on the full sized gimmick (for Spade, you use a upside down Heart).
Message: Posted by: Slepton (Oct 27, 2008 07:42AM)
Wow. I didn't wait a week and already Tim solved the problem I had with the gimmick. Really impressive. thanks a lot Tim for this high impact effect and your professionalism.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Oct 27, 2008 06:32PM)
My pleasure and thank YOU. I am glad you are enjoying Branded.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Magicmike221 (Oct 29, 2008 08:06AM)
Just received this today WOW !! The impression (blister) is so clear. All I can do is echo the previous comments ....If you aint got ...BUY IT!! Nuff said.
Nice one Tim
Message: Posted by: dAvId tOnG (Oct 29, 2008 10:50PM)
I got this few wks back and this is definitely one of the best trick this year. I have Pyro Perception and in my opinion, this is far better than Pyro Perception. Everything is done in full view and no one will ever suspect the lighter! No fiddling around in your pockets etc. And you don't really have to use a Bic lighter. Just any normal lighter that fits into the gimmick. They won't know or see it anyway. Thanks Tim for releasing it.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Oct 30, 2008 03:39PM)
I let people borrow my lighter with the gimmick on all the time to light their cigarettes or what not. They really have no clue as to what it is and they end up thinking that it's a nice grip or something. Love it.
Message: Posted by: Douglas Lippert (Oct 30, 2008 04:23PM)
[quote]
On 2008-10-30 15:39, kissdadookie wrote:
I let people borrow my lighter with the gimmick on all the time to light their cigarettes or what not. They really have no clue as to what it is and they end up thinking that it's a nice grip or something. Love it.
[/quote]

Very sneaky but some part of me wants to tell you to knock that off.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Oct 30, 2008 04:50PM)
Not sneaky at all. I of course don't let a spectator who has already seen me perform Branded borrow the lighter with the gaff on it. I might actually let them borrow the lighter at some point before I ever do the effect. Then sometime down the line I might use some psychological forcing and perform Branded (I don't usually carry cards on me).
Message: Posted by: Review King (Oct 31, 2008 01:21AM)
Here's a force some folks might find useful. I'm not sure of the origins of it, but it's a riffle force, without using a break.

Use a corner short card. Place the force card under the corner short card in the middle of the pack. Riffle down with your thumb and have them call stop. Because of the corner short, you can cut to the card easily.

I make a corner short cut on every deck I open. A good tip is to always use the same card.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Oct 31, 2008 01:11PM)
One of my coworkers David Peters just pointed out that there was an article about Keith Barry in the Las Vegas Sun (see http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/oct/31/laugh-then-be-amazed/) and in it it describes Keith using Andy Amyx's presentation for Branded in his show. Quiet an honor as Keith is GREAT.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Joshua Barrett (Oct 31, 2008 01:17PM)
[quote]
On 2008-10-31 01:21, Christopher Kavanagh wrote:
Here's a force some folks might find useful. I'm not sure of the origins of it, but it's a riffle force, without using a break.

Use a corner short card. Place the force card under the corner short card in the middle of the pack. Riffle down with your thumb and have them call stop. Because of the corner short, you can cut to the card easily.

I make a corner short cut on every deck I open. A good tip is to always use the same card.
[/quote]
that's a good way to do a dribble force as well.
Message: Posted by: Douglas Lippert (Oct 31, 2008 02:01PM)
I agree, thanks for the tip Chris.

I do have a question for you. Why do you only shorten a corner and not the whole side?
Message: Posted by: Review King (Oct 31, 2008 02:55PM)
[quote]
On 2008-10-31 14:01, DVLKCC wrote:
I agree, thanks for the tip Chris.

I do have a question for you. Why do you only shorten a corner and not the whole side?
[/quote]

Well, let's say you hold the deck in your left hand. You shorten the top left corner and the bottom right ( diagonal ) corner. Now, no mater how the deck is oriented, you can ruffle down with your thumb to the card.

Tim, this link will work better:
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/oct/31/laugh-then-be-amazed

Congratulations on BRANDED making it into the working sets of so many professionals!
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Nov 2, 2008 04:22PM)
I've just been using an old force that was taught by Matthew Dowden on 1 Deck 14 Tricks 24 Hours Volume 2 under a great trick titled "Sole Survivor" (these 2 DVDs... Vol. 1 and 2 are GREAT and highly recommended... see my post elsewhere). The count force used makes it very open and in the spectator's hand. I have not liked this force in the past but it's perfect here and very hands off.

Great idea Chris per your post.

Tim
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Nov 3, 2008 11:37AM)
Short cards are one of the best utilities you can have in a deck :D I keep both Jokers in the deck for sandwiching effects and the Guarantee card is my short.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Nov 7, 2008 03:07AM)
Highly gifted card man Ed Ellis has a convincing force on his wonderful DVD "Ellis Aces". It's a rifle slip force, with the added finesse of having the card look like it came from the center of the deck via an up jog. The entire DVD is great and is worth checking into.
Message: Posted by: Dmann (Nov 9, 2008 11:59AM)
I am not here to hijack this topic or offer negative criticism and I hope the folks who read this will take it in the spirit that my concerns offer.

I have resisted coming onto this topic for some time now and decided that I will interject my own thoughts about this product. I am sure that it is a fine product, but I think there is a lot of heat on the lighter. That doesn’t mean that folks haven’t overcome the problem but I think in doing an effect like this that if everything is borrowed it makes the effect that much stronger. So, you might ask yourself... Ok buddy what is your solution? Well my solution is my own product called Blistered. Blistered is something that is worn on a Key Chain and gives several advantages. It allows all items used in such effects to be borrowed, the handling is different, and will probably be the only purchased effect that you will actually have on you at all times because of it being with your keys.

Now, I took a lot of heat years ago about Blistered and was pretty much shut down because some folks thought I made a knock off of another product. This, by the way was totally untrue. Now it seems acceptable to make a similar product and not one word about it being a knock off in any way. It appears to me that a double standard applies to certain individuals and preference given as well.

So the door is now open for any and all who would like to bash me as it does seem to be the norm for the Café, even though I just might be right. Tim is a nice fellow and I am not accusing anyone of any wrong doing it’s just the facts. Heck if anything at all happens because of my post it would probably result in more sales for Branded.

So, let the bashing begin.
Message: Posted by: jamie9 (Nov 9, 2008 12:41PM)
Actualy even though the gimmick is on a key chain that makes it easier to carry around, you still have to go into your pocket which is just the same thing that you have to do with the other versions of this effect on the market. I think that major advantage in Branded is that you don't have to go into your pocket for anything which is what makes it so practicle. I really don't think that there would be any heat on the lighter.
Message: Posted by: Dmann (Nov 9, 2008 12:46PM)
Jamie9,
Actually with my effect you do not have to go to the pockets to retrive your key chain. It can be laying on the table and will not be noticed.
Message: Posted by: M Sini (Nov 9, 2008 12:47PM)
I'm not going to 'bash' you but after a quick search, it seems like you've hijacked a few threads lately to hype your own products.

That being said, I agree with Jamie, that with your gimmick we are right back where we started, going to the pocket, where Branded allows the work to be done in the open. I've never had any heat on the lighter and find it much easier than having to go to my pocket for 3rd degree burn.
Message: Posted by: A.G. (Nov 9, 2008 12:57PM)
[quote]
On 2008-11-09 12:46, Dmann wrote:
Jamie9,
Actually with my effect you do not have to go to the pockets to retrive your key chain. It can be laying on the table and will not be noticed.
[/quote]


I need a table then? I perform walk around and like to things in my pockets, so much easier...
Message: Posted by: Dmann (Nov 9, 2008 12:58PM)
Herdman14,
Thanks for being the Café police. But, I am entitled to talk about my effects as much as the next guy. I am doing nothing less than others who Post their Products on the Café and take no heat at all for it. Blistered is not like 3rd Degree Burn and is performed completely in the open. In fact when the blisters appear with my effect you can have your fingers smoking while they are viewing the blisters. If you add a certain something extra to Blistered. Our product is made from Aluminum and that certain something that causes the fingers to smoke does not cause damage to the end product.

Oh, and by the way I have never had any heat on the lighter either since its all borrowed…. LOL!
Message: Posted by: Review King (Nov 9, 2008 07:34PM)
[quote]
On 2008-11-09 11:59, Dmann wrote:
I am not here to hijack this topic or offer negative criticism and I hope the folks who read this will take it in the spirit that my concerns offer.

I have resisted coming onto this topic for some time now and decided that I will interject my own thoughts about this product. I am sure that it is a fine product, but I think there is a lot of heat on the lighter. That doesn’t mean that folks haven’t overcome the problem but I think in doing an effect like this that if everything is borrowed it makes the effect that much stronger. So, you might ask yourself... Ok buddy what is your solution? Well my solution is my own product called Blistered. Blistered is something that is worn on a Key Chain and gives several advantages. It allows all items used in such effects to be borrowed, the handling is different, and will probably be the only purchased effect that you will actually have on you at all times because of it being with your keys.

Now, I took a lot of heat years ago about Blistered and was pretty much shut down because some folks thought I made a knock off of another product. This, by the way was totally untrue. Now it seems acceptable to make a similar product and not one word about it being a knock off in any way. It appears to me that a double standard applies to certain individuals and preference given as well.

So the door is now open for any and all who would like to bash me as it does seem to be the norm for the Café, even though I just might be right. Tim is a nice fellow and I am not accusing anyone of any wrong doing it’s just the facts. Heck if anything at all happens because of my post it would probably result in more sales for Branded.

So, let the bashing begin.
[/quote]


Dmann ( David Mann ), I'd like to address some claims you made in your post(s) about Branded.

You say " but I think there is a lot of heat on the lighter ". You haven't performed Branded, so you're making an assumption. I have performed Branded ( professionally and otherwise ) every week since its release and have had no issues with anyone asking to see the lighter, commenting on the lighter or any other response/behavior that indicated that there was heat on the lighter.

The Branded gimmick can be separated from the lighter easily, so the lighter, if they wished, is examinable.

David, you say in another post about using your trick " Oh, and by the way I have never had any heat on the lighter either since its all borrowed…. LOL"!

David, not everyone carries a lighter these days, so borrowing one is going to be a problem. Lighters are still common as there are other uses besides smoking, but the majority of people you meet do no carry one on their person. With Branded you have the lighter and ingenious gimmick on you.

David, your ad says " the PERFECT shape of the selected card ". One of the strengths and improvements with Branded over other effects are the bubble fonts and that a blister is created and morphs into the chosen card. Having a "perfect" blister can create a lack of believability. REal blisters do not look "perfect".

Another improvement Branded made was that it allows you to do the dirty work in the open, with no suspicious moves like doing the dirty work in the pocket ( fishing
around in the pocket and/or trying to get the shape that matches their chosen card ).

You say that your effect is done in the open as the key chain in on the table and won't be noticed. I don't have your product, so I don't know what the motivation is for using the key chain

David, what I find disturbing about your post is you say the following:

[quote]
On 2008-11-09 11:59, Dmann wrote:

.... Now it seems acceptable to make a similar product and not one word about it being a knock off in any way. It appears to me that a double standard applies to certain individuals and preference given as well.

Tim is a nice fellow and I am not accusing anyone of any wrong doing it’s just the facts.
[/quote]

David Mann, you are not stating facts. You are, in a covert way, insinuating that Tim has made a possible knock off and, for one reason or another, is not getting called on it because there is a double standard.

Here are the facts:

Tim Trono obtained permission and the subsequent endorsement to release Branded, by the man who started the blister effect in the 1970's, Mr. Jack Tillar. David, did you obtain permission from Mr. Tillar?

Also, Branded offered significant improvements over other card blister effects on the market, which justified the release of Branded. David Mann, what improvements did your effect offer over those already on the market?

Tim Trono has made a detailed credit history. David, when you released your effect, what credits did you offer?

Here are more reasons why Branded is a superior product than others that are on the market:

Branded comes with two high quality gimmicks that allow for the blister morphing into the chosen card. Also, the blisters are made by "bubble fonts" making for a much more realistic ( believable ) blister.

Branded comes with a comprehensive DVD with performances and instruction by professional magician, Greg Wilson.

Branded has a support site ( http://www.brandedmagic.com ) for purchasers to get updated handlings and ideas. Branded also has basic down-loadable instructions in English, Spanish, Japanese and French.
Message: Posted by: Dmann (Nov 9, 2008 08:10PM)
Christopher Kavanagh,
I bet it took all day to write all of that. Thanks for calling me David Mann so many times... It helps when you try to come off all superior. I am not going to argue with you point for point… I just know that I have an excellent product and no amount of your justification can take that away. You see it one way and I another. But, my point has been made and I don’t look further to acerbate the issue. So, I agree to let you win as it seems so vitally important for you in your efforts. I don’t agree with who you claim invent the original idea as it has been around forever. But, I am sure that you can get magicians that Speak English, Spanish, Japanese and French that will agree with you and your DVD content. Oh, and unless your psychic... how would you know that I don't own the product?
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Nov 9, 2008 08:19PM)
The gimmick is invisible due to its construction, colour, psychology, misdirection - anyone with a shred of performance chops can make it totally out-of-mind... its a great device and not sure where Dmann is coming from... but it appears to be a hijacked thread.

Also, it appears that Tim also got the blessings of the blister gods and other creators for his innovation, as opposed to others who might have just taken ideas with no crediting.... hence no complaining.

I wouldn't have bothered to post as everyone who has this knows its great - but I say talk about calling the pot calling the kettle black when you produced the Omega Reel.... which since I'm in Canada, I never got a replacement for the inferior product which has a ton of problems, the garbage version sent to me even after it was already determined that they were defective and you claimed you made new ones...and then those were also defective until you came out with the latest batch..., heat etc. and customer service, argh.

Go start your own thread for your own products - Branded is in a class of its own.

Your resisted? C'mon - who you fooling?

When you start producing quality products with great customer service, I'll sing your praises... in the meantime, let's sing praises to BRANDED and get on with the thread.... although I am glad to hear the comparison to your Blistered product and have determined that BRANDED is a different animal in many regards.
Message: Posted by: Dmann (Nov 9, 2008 08:35PM)
Doctor Specktor,
Is that really your name?

Sorry, I didn't get the blessings of the Blister Gods.

I offered to replace your Omega Reel and you Sir Declined. I will stack my Omega Reel against any of its kind, I produce High Quality Products; most are built to last a lifetime. Also, I never said that Branded is a piece of junk or isn't a good product. Finally, this is a forum for open talk not a one way street where everything goes the way you would like.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Nov 9, 2008 08:38PM)
[quote]
On 2008-11-09 20:10, Dmann wrote:
Christopher Kavanagh,
I bet it took all day to write all of that. Thanks for calling me David Mann so many times... It helps when you try to come off all superior. I am not going to argue with you point for point… I just know that I have an excellent product and no amount of your justification can take that away. You see it one way and I another. But, my point has been made and I don’t look further to acerbate the issue. So, I agree to let you win as it seems so vitally important for you in your efforts. I don’t agree with who you claim invent the original idea as it has been around forever. But, I am sure that you can get magicians that Speak English, Spanish, Japanese and French that will agree with you and your DVD content. Oh, and unless your psychic... how would you know that I don't own the product?
[/quote]

David Mann, that is your name, correct? Do you prefer to be called Dmann instead?

What an angry person you are.

How would I know you don't own the product? You said " I am sure that it is a fine product ". Someone that owned the product would know if it is or it isn't.

You say "I just know that I have an excellent product and no amount of your justification can take that away".

Why not start a thread on your product and let customers review it? Why come here on the Branded thread to tout your product? Is it because Branded is a world wide hit an no one is interested in using your product?

Your product "sounds" like it's no different than others on the market, except that it's on a key chain. Maybe that's why you got heat for it being a knockoff.

Why you're angry over the success of Tim Trono's effect and feel compelled to disparage it and Tim is not clear, but it shows poor taste and character on your part.
Message: Posted by: Dmann (Nov 9, 2008 08:48PM)
Christopher Kavanagh,
Thanks for the psycho analaysis Dr. Phill. I am not angry. I just felt it was my obligation to state my oppinion and that I prefer my Blistered to Branded. Its nothing personal against you two fellows and I am sorry if I am comming off that way. I will say nothing further about this subject as I am sure the odds were stacked against me when I started speaking my oppinion. But, Its my oppinon only.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Nov 9, 2008 09:19PM)
[quote]
On 2008-11-09 20:48, Dmann wrote:
Christopher Kavanagh,
Thanks for the psycho analaysis Dr. Phill. I am not angry. I just felt it was my obligation to state my oppinion and that I prefer my Blistered to Branded. Its nothing personal against you two fellows and I am sorry if I am comming off that way. I will say nothing further about this subject as I am sure the odds were stacked against me when I started speaking my oppinion. But, Its my oppinon only.
[/quote]

David Mann, say you felt obligated to to state your opinion that you prefer your product to Branded. You ( or anyone ) is certainly allowed to do that. But, you don't have Branded and feel you should be allowed to make unfounded statements and then make derogatory comments when asked to back those statements up

You also stated that you were accused of creating a knock off effect and seemed upset that Tim Trono wasn't accused of the same thing with Branded ( you said it was due to a double standard ).

I offered examples of why Tim's product was greeted as an improvement over existing methods. You don't have to take my word for it, but can research the various products yourself.

You certainly do sound angry and have quite a persecution complex. In the 6 months since this thread was started, your product was never mentioned, so unless you tell us, we'll be in the dark as to why you're so angry.

Would you like your product to be reviewed and compared side by side with Branded? There are plenty of respected folks on the Café that I'm sure would be up to it.
Message: Posted by: deputy (Nov 9, 2008 09:35PM)
Branded is one of my best buys this year. Simple and powerful, what more can you ask for
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Nov 9, 2008 11:22PM)
[quote]
On 2008-11-09 20:35, Dmann wrote:
Doctor Specktor,
Is that really your name?

Sorry, I didn't get the blessings of the Blister Gods.

I offered to replace your Omega Reel and you Sir Declined. I will stack my Omega Reel against any of its kind, I produce High Quality Products; most are built to last a lifetime. Also, I never said that Branded is a piece of junk or isn't a good product. Finally, this is a forum for open talk not a one way street where everything goes the way you would like.
[/quote]

Dr Spektor is my performing and writing name and anyone around here who deals with me knows my real name- including you. Oh, you spelled my name wrong BTW.... so Dr. Specktor is not my name at all... so, I guess no, it isn't.

You offered to replace it if I paid to send back my piece of crap and pay for you to send me a new one. I wasn't going to send one more $ to you - so if that is "replacement" in your book where you sell a defective product and expect a customer to pay for transporting it and a new one - you know exactly why I won't buy from your company again.

And now, back to branded
Message: Posted by: Steve Haynes (Nov 10, 2008 01:09AM)
I finally gor Branded.

The blister effect is something I have been doing for many years and I own Pyro Perception and Third Degree Burn.

I wanted Branded for the gimick itself and nothing else and if that was all I got I would have been more than happy, as I carry a lighter for the blister effect anyway(among other things) and to me it just makes sense to have it all together in one unit.

I can honestly say the impression the gimick leaves on the fingers are by far the best I have seen and and at the same time gave me more pocket space to boot.

I love third degree burns selling point of any card being used, but because of the bulk, I found myself using Pyro perception for the practicality until now.

No matter what version you use, you will be getting a classic effect that has stood the test of time and for anyone that has yet to add the blister efect to their arsenal, it is my opinon that Branded is the very best, not to mention you have no pocket work to manage during performance.

Like I said, I have been using the blister effect, since Pen & Teller had the old snake oil routine where you healed a burn with a special powder, which had a wonderful story and presention to it and recomend looking it up if you can.

This is now in my pocket all the time and is the most practical, easy to manage version to date and from owning the othet versions it is my opinion, that this is the ultimate version and a simple yet extremly powerful effect that is just to good to pass up.

The gimmick alone is more than worth the money, but the whole pkg makes it a good example of going the extra mile and is one of the over all best products on the market today.

I have never been more happy with a product and wish the very best to Tim, as this is truly a first class effort in every aspect and all the praise this has gotten is deserved and then some.

Im trully impressed.
Steve Haynes
Message: Posted by: Hart Keene (Nov 11, 2008 03:38PM)
As I said before I don't do this in the restaurants or at private dinners for obvious reasons but other than that this thing goes EVERYWHERE with me(along with a few pieces of flash paper). I know I have a miracle on me whenever I need one!

I own Third Degree Burn but never wanted to take the time to learn it(owners will know what I mean) because I just felt like something was "missing". I also couldn't stand the thought of a gimmick that big! It was a great idea but too much "magician thinking".

I don't buy a lot of effects but for what its worth this is getting the most "use" out of anything I have bought in the last 5 years...
Message: Posted by: Magicmike221 (Nov 11, 2008 04:40PM)
[quote]
On 2008-11-09 21:35, deputy wrote:
Branded is one of my best buys this year. Simple and powerful, what more can you ask for
[/quote]
A big "second" on that.. a right Belter!!
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Nov 13, 2008 07:38PM)
Thanks for the kind words guys. I appreciate it and am happy you are enjoying Branded.

As Chris notes in his post (sorry I did not respond as I was away at Mindvention) this is the only card blister effect that gives credit to the originators of this effect, received permission from the originator of the blister effect, and pays any royalty. I consider that an extremely important point that simply cannot be overlooked. Second, I used Pyro Perception for quite some time and it is very good but anytime you have to go to your pocket to do the work (or try to do it openly on the table for no apparent reason I could justify) it is a weird moment. Maybe some can justify it... I just could never find the right justification and quite frankly with Branded you simply don't have to justify anything. This makes it more magical to an audience (at least for me) as there are no strange moments (I discuss this in an earlier post and talk about the Tommy Wonder DVD - you should read that post as what I mention that Tommy discussed is very important). I can say that from experience using it many many times. These were the 2 largest factors on the release of Branded. But to each his own. I am happy that people purchasing it and using it are feeling like it is something they are getting full value out of - that is important to me. I didn't want to just put this out to put out an item. I wanted to give consumers a great value of a real worker.

Thanks again for the kind words and support.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Review King (Nov 16, 2008 10:34PM)
I wanted to share something I've had some good success with. It's not earth shattering, just a finesse ( I can't help it, I'm always tweaking things. lol ).

If the person, or anyone in the group, has a beverage with ice...when I finish the effect, I ask, with a gentle sense of urgency, for an ice cube from their drink. I then hold it between the "Branded" fingers.

I tell them that if I get ice on it right away, the blisters go away quickly. I do that just in case I have to perform something else ( would work well strolling where you might want to do this for different groups ). If the blisters are gone and someone comments, I already explained why.

I'm a geek and play chess and can't help thinking a few moves ahead.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Nov 19, 2008 05:01AM)
I just spent some time hanging out with Morgan Strebler in Vegas while at Mindvention. Morgan has been using Branded all of the time. He brought up a subtle but excellent point. The Branded gimmicks allow you a very deep/pronounced blister very quickly and openly. He advised that sometimes when he is performing he will do Branded and then go on to another item/effect. As he is finishing the last effect, he secretly gets the blisters again (it can happen so quickly) and points out that it looks like the blister is getting worse. Obviously it's really not but it makes the suggestion and allows them to see that it is "still" there. It's a subtle but great point. Also Morgan's idea of initially having them "feel" the blister really sells it.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Douglas Lippert (Nov 19, 2008 08:58AM)
[quote]
On 2008-11-19 05:01, Tim Trono wrote:
I just spent some time hanging out with Morgan Strebler in Vegas while at Mindvention. Morgan has been using Branded all of the time. He brought up a subtle but excellent point. The Branded gimmicks allow you a very deep/pronounced blister very quickly and openly. He advised that sometimes when he is performing he will do Branded and then go on to another item/effect. As he is finishing the last effect, he secretly gets the blisters again (it can happen so quickly) and points out that it looks like the blister is getting worse. Obviously it's really not but it makes the suggestion and allows them to see that it is "still" there. It's a subtle but great point. Also Morgan's idea of initially having them "feel" the blister really sells it.

Tim
[/quote]

Morgan Strebler quit magic and mentalism. So, did he change his mind?

Are you coming out with a version for Zippo lighters? Thanks Tim.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Nov 19, 2008 03:04PM)
I'm not sure where Morgan stands. I believe he is releasing some new items so that announcement we heard could be wrong or have changed. Sorry I don't have a better answer.

I'm not sure about the Zippo lighters... not short term but possibly in the future.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Mr. Mystoffelees (Nov 19, 2008 03:28PM)
Nice tip Christopher- I use some patter about being able to quickly heal thru some special "magic" I know, but am going to try the ice cube... I love this effect, and Tim's help and service match the great quality of the item...

Jim
Message: Posted by: Review King (Nov 19, 2008 03:46PM)
Just my opinion, but Zippo lighters, in some ways, can be a conversation piece. A big strength in Branded is that the lighter is innocuous. It's there just to provide a flame. Keeping the lighter under the radar is best.

Morgan's idea of having them touch the blister(s)is brilliant. And it works if they can't bring themselves to do it. I'm glad that was shared that with all of us.
Message: Posted by: sbays (Nov 19, 2008 06:21PM)
I just got Branded, and it is by far my favorite Blister effect to date. I too own Pyro Perception, and TDB. It makes perfect sense to do it this way. I love it. The blisters look VERY good, and I feel they are MUCH easier to obtain than the others. And my favorite part, no funny pocket diving expeditions to get the blisters. I love its stealth. This one will be on me at all times. Bravo Tim! I will recommend this highly!!!
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Nov 19, 2008 06:41PM)
Glad you guys are enjoying this... let me know if you have any problems or questions. Make sure you check out some of the ideas previously posted on the support site.

Tim
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Nov 19, 2008 09:02PM)
[quote]
On 2008-11-13 19:38, Tim Trono wrote:
Second, I used Pyro Perception for quite some time and it is very good but anytime you have to go to your pocket to do the work (or try to do it openly on the table for no apparent reason I could justify) it is a weird moment. Maybe some can justify it... I just could never find the right justification [/quote]


Maybe I'm being overly simplistic here, but I find that the necessity of GETTING THE LIGHTER makes for pretty good justification. Just my $0.02.
Message: Posted by: Douglas Lippert (Nov 20, 2008 12:09AM)
[quote]
On 2008-11-19 21:02, LobowolfXXX wrote:
[quote]
On 2008-11-13 19:38, Tim Trono wrote:
Second, I used Pyro Perception for quite some time and it is very good but anytime you have to go to your pocket to do the work (or try to do it openly on the table for no apparent reason I could justify) it is a weird moment. Maybe some can justify it... I just could never find the right justification [/quote]


Maybe I'm being overly simplistic here, but I find that the necessity of GETTING THE LIGHTER makes for pretty good justification. Just my $0.02.
[/quote]

Doing Branded means you don't have to fumble around in your pants so much if you know what I mean. Might give people the wrong impression of you if you know what I mean?

Look forward to any future zippo version. Or I might just make my own.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Nov 20, 2008 12:19AM)
Lobowolfxxx, quite frankly it's easier said than done.

To get a good impression from one of the other devices takes a little time since the other gimmicks are shallower. Thus you need to squeeze harder/longer. So with the other devices such as Pyro Perception it is NOT as easy as grabbing the lighter and instantly getting a blister. It just doesn't work like that in real use though it sounds like a good idea. You have to hang out in your pocket for a bit to get the blister.

In addition, this requires two steps or actions... one to get the blister and then a second to grab the lighter. It doesn't seem like a big deal but it can be and can tip someone off that "something" is going on. Slydini and a few others have discussed the multiple action/step idea in the past... basically it is often a "tell" to the audience as noted.

Third with Pyro Perception, Blistered, and Third Degree Burn you have to orient to get the correct blister in your pocket or under cover. This takes time, thought, etc. So it is just not instant.

As I said several times in this post, I have used Pyro Perception in the past frequently prior to developing Branded and it is good and works but you really have to deal with some strange hand movements (to orient) in your pocket (or hanging out in your pocket) no matter how you try to justify it. The best way I ever discovered to overcome this was to use Michael Close's idea/handling from his Closely Guarded Secrets and to turn my back as I got the impression under the context of trying to be "fair". But from experience it is just not as strong as instantly getting the blister right in front of them. Just a few things to think about.

Tim
Message: Posted by: sickmagic (Nov 20, 2008 12:55AM)
I recently got Branded and then sold it the same day, now with everything involved with the past effects and the new one, I have a few things to say regarding this.

Branded is a fantastic method, idea, and principle and I applaud Tim and everyone involved in the effect. They made it much easer to those that wanted to do the effect but didn't want to work out of their pockets. I really do like Branded, but part of the reason I sold it was due to the fact I am use to Pyro Perception, but I want to elaborate on that a little.

Tim and many others pointed out that with pyro perception it was not the most step friendly situation. I agree and when I first got it I thought wow there are way to many things going on in this. I even left it alone for a few months. Then I had and idea that changed it completely for me. I actually attached it to a pull hanging inside my jacket and had it threaded through a tube and pinned, it was now easy to get to under my jacket similar to a coin dropper and instantly went right back up to the seem of the jacket. I worked out a routine that got rid of all that step situation and have been using it ever since.

Now the funny part of the story, as I stated I really liked Branded and think it is fantastic, after I sold it I remembered how I put Pyro Perception down for a few months and then came up with a good solution. Was it a mistake selling Branded? I don't think so, however I did order it again today because I realized that I might find myself in a few months just hanging out with friends in a situation that would seem impromptu to accomplish this effect that I normally perform for my walk around gigs only. If it is strong enough of an effect to get paid for then it sure is strong enough to leave a lasting impression in a normal everyday situation.

Sickmagic!
Message: Posted by: Review King (Nov 24, 2008 02:57AM)
[quote]
On 2008-11-20 00:55, sickmagic wrote:

..Then I had and idea that changed it completely for me. I actually attached it to a pull hanging inside my jacket and had it threaded through a tube and pinned, it was now easy to get to under my jacket similar to a coin dropper and instantly went right back up to the seem of the jacket. I worked out a routine that got rid of all that step situation and have been using it ever since.

..Was it a mistake selling Branded? I don't think so, however I did order it again today because I realized that I might find myself in a few months just hanging out with friends in a situation that would seem impromptu to accomplish this effect that I normally perform for my walk around gigs only. If it is strong enough of an effect to get paid for then it sure is strong enough to leave a lasting impression in a normal everyday situation.

[/quote]

In both cases, that's how a professional thinks and acts.

I saw in the for sale section that you sold Branded. You could have kept the fact that you re-bought it to yourself, but you didn't and shared why with us all.

Thanks for doing that, as it was a very stand up thing to do on your part.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Nov 24, 2008 06:49PM)
I agree with Chris and would like to thank you for your for your honest and open thoughts.

Tim
Message: Posted by: deputy (Nov 24, 2008 08:54PM)
Just used this at a walk around gig in a bar setting, Branded fried people, love it!
Message: Posted by: Douglas Lippert (Nov 25, 2008 12:01AM)
[quote]
On 2008-11-20 00:55, sickmagic wrote:
Then I had an idea that changed it completely for me. I actually attached it to a pull hanging inside my jacket and had it threaded through a tube and pinned, it was now easy to get to under my jacket similar to a coin dropper and instantly went right back up to the seem of the jacket.
Sickmagic!
[/quote]

You can do the same thing with Branded. :) If you like to end as clean as a dish washer.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Nov 29, 2008 08:30PM)
Someone sent me a very clever set up to get rid of the gimmick. But quite frankly in the end I just found I simply did not need it. For me personally It was like trying to use a pull or hold out to get rid of a thumb tip (I've actually seen something like this to fry magicians). In the end it is whatever works for you and whatever YOU are comfortable with. I'm gone with the lighter (and thus gimmick) fairly quickly.

Thanks for the nice comments and hope you guys all have a great holiday season.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Dec 8, 2008 05:50PM)
I wish someone would make one of these for ESP cards, just 5 symbols.

Branded the best idea yet though.

Candin
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Dec 8, 2008 07:28PM)
We are considering this and a few other ideas. Glad you are enjoying it.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Dec 10, 2008 03:51PM)
When Paul Harris' True Astonishments comes out in January there is a GREAT item titled "Extraordinary Proof" by the clever Andrew Gerard. I have been playing with this and it is perfect to use with Branded. I won't give a lot of details but make sure you check it out.

Tim
Message: Posted by: A.G. (Dec 10, 2008 08:36PM)
Oh Tim you clever chap.... why didn't I think of that!

It would be a devastating combo for sure.... did you wathch the phone call yet?

AG
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Dec 12, 2008 03:47AM)
It's great! Make sure you also check out Andrew's incredible Card Warp on the TA DVDs. Even AFTER Andrew explained to Paul Harris and Bro Gilbert what was going on they thought Andrew was holding out and there is a hilarious tape of that conversation captured. After a while l they realize he had tipped the full method - it just fooled them so badly they missed it. It's brilliant. Andrew has a few really fabulous item on True Astonishments.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Alel (Dec 15, 2008 11:12AM)
Never tried card blister effects. Anxiously waiting for my copy. :)

Thanks, Tim!


Alel
Message: Posted by: Review King (Dec 15, 2008 07:59PM)
[quote]
On 2008-12-15 11:12, Alel wrote:
Never tried card blister effects. Anxiously waiting for my copy. :)

Thanks, Tim!


Alel
[/quote]

Alel, check out Jack Kent Tillar's “The BLISTER BOOK”.

http://www.blistermagic.com/thecatalog/blister.html

Jack created the blister effect. Jack also gave his blessing for BRANDED to be released.
Message: Posted by: AaronishMagic (Dec 16, 2008 04:59AM)
Waiting for my copy~ hope it comes soon.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Dec 17, 2008 01:36AM)
AaronishMagic I hope you enjoy Branded. After you get it from your favorite dealer I'd be appreciative to get your feedback. I'm also happy to help if you have any questions/problems. I am sure you will enjoy it. It gets an amazing reaction for something so simple. Check out the support site noted on the DVD for further ideas, etc.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Shawn D (Dec 17, 2008 07:35PM)
I got Branded a few weeks ago and cant believe how good of reations I am getting form it.I thought I would get a "Oh cool" but everyone I show it to has a WOW reatoin.Then you have them dragging you over to someone eles to show it to them.
Great trick!
I got mine straight from Tim and he was a plaesure to deal with and responds to all e-mails with any questions.
Thanks Tim
Shawn
Message: Posted by: M Sini (Dec 17, 2008 10:05PM)
Shawn,

I'm with you. I never expected the reactions I've been getting. I performed it at a corporate holiday dinner on Monday night and a couple of the girls in the group gasped and one of their husbands kept saying "That's real magic! That's real Magic! That's like David Blaine and Criss Angel s*it!"

The blister effect never fails to get a good response but thanks to Tim I no longer have to fiddle in my pocket. I especially love the special something for the small Bic.

Mario
Message: Posted by: magicwhiz (Dec 18, 2008 02:20AM)
Got myself a date using this trick at a local bar the other day. She asked for a light and she got her self a magic trick with it. =]
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Dec 18, 2008 09:23PM)
Thanks for the great feedback you guys. I am REALLY glad this is working so well for you. Happy Holidays.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Review King (Dec 30, 2008 02:25AM)
For those that have found Branded to be one of the effects you use to blow folks away, you can go to http://www.itricks.com and cast a vote in their " Trick of the Year Final ".

You can also just e-mail them at: vote@itricks.com
Message: Posted by: deputy (Dec 30, 2008 04:05AM)
I really love this effect, I carry it everywhere, it slays people. Keep up the great work Tim
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Dec 30, 2008 02:28PM)
Thanks guys! The support is really appreciated and if you have any problems, questions, etc. feel free to contact me.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Dec 30, 2008 03:52PM)
I just saw that Branded appeared on About Magic's Best Tricks and DVD for 2008 list... http://magic.about.com/b/2008/12/30/2008-the-best-and-worst-tricks-and-dvds.htm
Message: Posted by: thchang (Dec 30, 2008 11:43PM)
Hi tim, I am about to buy the branded from penguin next week
I want to ask few more question,
1. does this trick forces on 1 card only?? for example, every time need to forces the audience to pick up diamond 7, the finger appears diamond 7 blisters all the time.
2. ur video shows you always perform under dark environment, is it a necessary, what if I perform this trick indoor under good light condition, e.g living room.
3. maybe this is the question for australian buyer, I live in au, I don't smoke, so I don't know if I can get bic lighter in normal cigarette shop.
4. does it requires the refill pack to make more blisters?? or I should ask, is blisters consumables?

P.S this is a awesome trick!! one of the best tricks of the year.

best regards

Terry
Message: Posted by: chappelly (Dec 31, 2008 12:28AM)
3." maybe this is the question for australian buyer, I live in au, I don't smoke, so I don't know if I can get bic lighter in normal cigarette shop. "

These lighters are common in all cigarette shops in Aussi.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Dec 31, 2008 05:21PM)
Hi Thchange. Here are attempts to answer your questions:

1) There are 2 gimmicks included – one to be used with a regular Bic lighter and one to be used with a mini Bic lighter. The one to be used with the mini Bic requires you force only one card the 3H (in addition to the regular round blister). The regular Bic one allows you to force any one of 3 different cards – the3H, 7D, KC, and of course the regular round blister. Thus you can do this and change cards if you are doing it for a group near the previous one (table hopping). I rarely perform anymore where I am doing this over and over so I prefer the mini Bic gimmick as I like the smaller lighter, etc.
2) This can be done in all lighting conditions. It’s actually better in day light as they can more clearly see the blisters. At night you can do it and use the light from the flame to show the blisters. So you can do it under any lighting conditions.
3) I am fairly confident you can either find a lighter OR order one (some) on line and have them sent to you at a fairly low cost…. Do a search for Bic Lighters. Ahhh… great – I just read the post from chappelly so apparently that is not an issue. I don’t smoke but I always carry the mini Bic gimmick and do this a LOT. The reactions are WAY WAY out of proportion to how easy it is.
4) There are no refills. Once you have the gimmick you are set to go forever. You obviously may eventually need a new lighter but the gimmick itself can be used over and over forever.

If you have any problems let me know. I am confident you will be VERY happy (and if not drop me a note privately).

Tim
Message: Posted by: thchang (Jan 1, 2009 01:20AM)
Thankx Tim, you answered all my questions.

I knew we can order the BIC lighters online if we cannot find it locally, but I just worried a little cos I think Australia not allow people to post lighters thru air mail. Anyway, Chappelly told me these lighters are common in all au shops, I will order this trick from PenguinMagic this week.

By the way, do you have any other tricks to recommend that were invented by you?
Message: Posted by: Barry Gitelson (Jan 1, 2009 05:12PM)
I have been playing with this and love it. Great effect and dvd. One of my top magic effects for the year.
Message: Posted by: Alel (Jan 4, 2009 02:19AM)
I recieved the DVD few days before Christmas, and I am really enjoying Branded. Tim is such a great guy to talk with.

The DVD is great. The teaching is great. The gimmick works perfectly. Everything is what I expected - and even more.

My review:

In the past, I have negative thoughts on the [i]usual[/i] card blister plot. I feel that it lacks in believability.

But there are a couple of thoughts about Branded that tickles me. The seemingly minor difference about Branded means the world to me.

Regarding the believability of the whole thing: Through proper structure, the audience is literally trapped into thinking that it is a REAL blister. Priceless.

For short: You cant go wrong with the ideas contained in the DVD!

[b]Thanks, Tim![/b]
Message: Posted by: joseph (Jan 4, 2009 07:25AM)
You look too young to be messin' with lighters.. :) ...
Message: Posted by: Alel (Jan 4, 2009 11:22AM)
The mohawk should tell you something...:)
Message: Posted by: itsmagic (Jan 4, 2009 04:19PM)
How many are using the blister "morphing" versus just doing the reveal like GW?

I find the regular blisters don't look real & they're too big. Having said that, the reveal blisters don't look real either, but gets the job done.

Just curious if the reactions are stronger with the morph or without?
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jan 4, 2009 04:43PM)
I only use the morphing. IMHO, I think to not use it is like performing the pen thru bill without the rip gaff.

But, that's how I feel. Everyone has their own criteria for what they do and how they do it.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jan 4, 2009 05:27PM)
The round blister is what really sells this effect. The way I approach it is that I will actually milk the initial round blister a little bit more than the reveal, this way the spectators will have the idea that I've just seriously burned myself solidified in their minds. This is very strong for setting them up for the reveal because when the reveal appears and they see that blister now changed into a card blister (letter, number, etc.) they are truly blown away at that moment. The reveal at that point is so strong that there is no need to milk that specific moment.
Message: Posted by: Ladd (Jan 4, 2009 06:22PM)
Love it and have a question.

I haven't used the force described on the dvd yet (I think it's called the cross cut force?) becasue I'm not sure if I trust it. It just seems too simple. Is there anyone here that uses it for this trick regularly and can settle my fears?
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jan 4, 2009 07:56PM)
[quote]
On 2009-01-04 18:22, Ladd wrote:
Love it and have a question.

I haven't used the force described on the dvd yet (I think it's called the cross cut force?) becasue I'm not sure if I trust it. It just seems too simple. Is there anyone here that uses it for this trick regularly and can settle my fears?
[/quote]

I've used that force in a Simon Aronson trick for years with ease. It's quite deceptive. I don't have access to a table when I work, so for Branded I use a Svengali or one way deck.

Try this: do a trick where they can pick any card, but use this force. Do it 10 times and if all goes as well as it should, you'll feel more comfortable using it.
Message: Posted by: Alel (Jan 5, 2009 07:21AM)
[quote]

I find the regular blisters don't look real & they're too big. Having said that, the reveal blisters don't look real either, but gets the job done.

Just curious if the reactions are stronger with the morph or without?
[/quote]

They have no reason to believe the regular blisters are fake because they will see you 'burn' your fingers and 'exclaim' in pain. These things sells the idea more than the appearance of the blister does.

Regarding the reactions: One cant really tell definitively. But I can tell you one thing:
With the morph, they will believe that the revelation blisters are real blisters because they had previously committed the fact that the blisters are real when you first shown them. They have nowhere to run if you sold the idea of regular blister. The idea behind the regular blister is brilliant.

Just don't overprove it. Actually, you do not need to mention the blisters. Let them notice them. The natural course of their attention would be directed to your fingers when you act and present everything properly.

That is why I think the morph idea is superior.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jan 5, 2009 09:04AM)
X's 2 for what Alel said.
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Jan 5, 2009 12:27PM)
[quote]
On 2009-01-04 19:56, Christopher Kavanagh wrote:
[quote]
On 2009-01-04 18:22, Ladd wrote:
Love it and have a question.

I haven't used the force described on the dvd yet (I think it's called the cross cut force?) becasue I'm not sure if I trust it. It just seems too simple. Is there anyone here that uses it for this trick regularly and can settle my fears?
[/quote]

I've used that force in a Simon Aronson trick for years with ease. It's quite deceptive. I don't have access to a table when I work, so for Branded I use a Svengali or one way deck.

Try this: do a trick where they can pick any card, but use this force. Do it 10 times and if all goes as well as it should, you'll feel more comfortable using it.
[/quote]

C'mon guys - for the public, you can get away with a hindu shuffle force... I use that in conjunction with the voodoo effect bonus effect on the DVD - the combo kills everyone I've done it on so far...
Message: Posted by: M Sini (Jan 5, 2009 02:02PM)
I normally use the morphing blister effect.


As for forcing, I picked up Brad Burt's card forcing DVD a few years ago and picked up some good forces. But Dr. Spektor is right, the ole' hindu shuffle force works just fine.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jan 5, 2009 04:10PM)
[quote]
On 2009-01-05 12:27, Dr Spektor wrote:
[
C'mon guys - for the public, you can get away with a hindu shuffle force... I use that in conjunction with the voodoo effect bonus effect on the DVD - the combo kills everyone I've done it on so far...
[/quote]

Do you mean a Houdini force? If not, please explain a hindu force ( it sounds religion oriented ).
Message: Posted by: Martino (Jan 5, 2009 04:17PM)
Chris,

PM'd you.

Regards,

Martin.
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Jan 5, 2009 08:58PM)
Chris, check out ye olde Royal Road to Card Magic - I love using the basic forces on ye public.... its so fun!
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jan 5, 2009 09:15PM)
I have the book Hinduism: A Beginner's Guide by Klaus K. Klostermaier. I'll look there.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jan 5, 2009 11:08PM)
OK, I've had lotsa PM's. Apparently my teasing Dr. Spektor about my not knowing the hindu force is causing some folks pain. Apologizes to all that got snake bit!

Back to Branded.

There are allot of great forces. The one taught on the DVD has stood the test over time and many professionals use it. It's fair and it looks good because of the time delay.

When working, I like using a one way deck or the Svengali. These are NOT decks just for folks new to magic. There are many professional magicians that use them.

Today I was in a non-performing situation at a hair appt. for a family member and I had to show someone some magic. Long story, but anytime I was asked by this person to show them something, I've always have said "oops, I forgot my deck". It's been a bit of a running gag with us. She dated a fellow that did tricks all the time and she likes magic. So she knew allot, actually. Things like forcing a card ( yep, hindu ), DL's ( which she called "making two cards look like one ), etc.

Today...she brought a deck to work with her. lol. I always have Branded in my pocket ( I keep it with my keys at night ). I took the deck and under the guise of making sure this was a full deck, culled the 3 of hearts to the bottom. I did a bottom slip force and did the routine. She didn't stop talking about it. She even gave me an ice cube from her drink so that I could hold it between my fingers.

For Branded, or any effect, the force used should be one that you feel comfortable using and that looks good. The hindu force in the right hands, looks great. In some hands, there can be a moment where...it looks fishy. And if they know any magic, they know this one. Much less likely with the cross cut force.

I like the look of the classic force and since I'm hit or miss with it, I use the one way deck. I also like the look of them cutting the deck anywhere, so that's why a Svengali also appeals to me.

Not having those, I prefer the bottom slip force. No table is needed and it looks great. I'm not the greatest technician and wanted to share what has been successful for me. I'm sure many gifted folks on the Café have their own way of performing Branded and I'd love to hear what they have to share.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jan 6, 2009 12:42AM)
Make sure you check out the resources section of the Branded DVD. There are some really great forces and their resources in that section. Typically I now just use a Riffle Force. The biggest thing is NOT making an issue of it, not worrying about it. When you start getting too worried that you are doing a force (no matter what kind) you WILL tip that to your audience. Whether you use a Hindu Force, Riffle Force, Classic Force, Cross Cut Force, One Way Deck, etc. you just need to NOT worry. People should never assume you are making them pick a card. Consider when you are NOT doing a force (ex. doing Sankey's Paperclipped)... do you ever hear them say "I think you made me pick that card". It's all in your attitude.

Tim
Message: Posted by: FloKiel (Jan 6, 2009 06:53AM)
Hi,

I've tried Pyro Perception and the blisters were not very great:
1. very hard to see 2. not realistic at all

can anyone tell me if the blisters of branded are better, especially regarding 1.!

best regards and sorry for my english ;-)
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jan 6, 2009 07:22AM)
[quote]
On 2009-01-06 06:53, FloKiel wrote:
Hi,

I've tried Pyro Perception and the blisters were not very great:
1. very hard to see 2. not realistic at all

can anyone tell me if the blisters of branded are better, especially regarding 1.!

best regards and sorry for my english ;-)
[/quote]

Hi FloKiel!
Your English is just fine.

The blisters for Branded are 'bubble fonts'. Instead of the card pips and numbers having perfectly defined lines, as in other effects of this nature, they are far more realistic as to what the effect is: the flame from a lighter creates blisters on your thumb and index finger, which then morph to reveal the spectators selected card.

Here's a photo of what it looks like:
http://brandedmagic.com/downloads/Branded%20Advert.pdf

Branded comes across as being realistic because a blister created by fire would not look like a perfect image. That, combined with the morphing, makes Branded a very powerful and convincing effect.

I hoped that help.
Message: Posted by: FloKiel (Jan 6, 2009 07:29AM)
Thank you!

My biggest problem with pyro perception are the blisters disappearing very quickly.
I guess this wouldn't be very different with branded, would it?
Message: Posted by: chappelly (Jan 6, 2009 08:03AM)
The blisters last longer from my experience.They are also clearer as well.

Chappelly
Message: Posted by: itsmagic (Jan 6, 2009 12:36PM)
[quote]
On 2009-01-05 23:08, Christopher Kavanagh wrote:
Long story, but anytime I was asked by this person to show them something, I've always have said "oops, I forgot my deck". It's been a bit of a running gag with us.
[/quote]

Hi Chris, have you thought of doing Branded without a deck of cards? Maybe use the classic magician's force. Write down on a sheet of paper or back of business card, "1 2 3 4" and have her point to a number...etc. Thus you can always perform this stunner without having to carry a deck of cards with you. Especially in impromptu situations, it's really awkward to bring out a deck of cards.

Instead of a # blister, it could be a letter blister or a symbol blister.

How many of you perform Branded without a deck of cards? Can you please share tips and ideas? Thanks.
Message: Posted by: FloKiel (Jan 6, 2009 02:43PM)
If you want to perform the blister effect without a deck you should probably buy thir degree burn... then you don't need cards at all

if you want to try branded without a deck... maybe you could use kolossal killer as an out

best regards
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jan 6, 2009 02:45PM)
[quote]
On 2009-01-06 12:36, itsmagic wrote:
[quote]
On 2009-01-05 23:08, Christopher Kavanagh wrote:
Long story, but anytime I was asked by this person to show them something, I've always have said "oops, I forgot my deck". It's been a bit of a running gag with us.
[/quote]

Hi Chris, have you thought of doing Branded without a deck of cards? Maybe use the classic magician's force. Write down on a sheet of paper or back of business card, "1 2 3 4" and have her point to a number...etc. Thus you can always perform this stunner without having to carry a deck of cards with you. Especially in impromptu situations, it's really awkward to bring out a deck of cards.

Instead of a # blister, it could be a letter blister or a symbol blister.

How many of you perform Branded without a deck of cards? Can you please share tips and ideas? Thanks.
[/quote]

Somewhere in this thread I mentioned doing Branded without a deck using the B'wave patter.
Message: Posted by: thchang (Jan 6, 2009 08:10PM)
Hi Tim

I just ordered Branded from Hocus last night
hope I will receive it soon and start to discuss with you guys on the feedback
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Jan 6, 2009 08:20PM)
Don't forget you can also create Initials of a spec or thought of person if the circumstances are right... I did that the other day and that brought some chills...
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jan 6, 2009 08:26PM)
FloKiel, thanks for your inquiry. Chris hit the nail on the head as far as the look of the blisters. Because of the design of the Branded gimmick you will find that 1) the blister is acquired much quicker than the other devices out there and 2) the blister is much more pronounced and lasts longer. The Branded gimmick allows a much deeper impression which is the key. I have used the various other ones out there and had the same issues you mention though they all have their positive points as well. I think you will find the design of the gimmick with Branded helps establish a longer lasting, more realistic, and more quickly attainable blister.

thchang thank you. If you are not completely happy after getting Branded please contact me privately and I will ensure you are happy. I am 100% confident you will be happy with your purchase. It's very important to me personally that those who do invest in Branded feel like they can use it and it is a worthy purchase with so much on the market.

Thanks.

Tim
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Jan 6, 2009 09:46PM)
OK, after 18 pages I've caved in and ordered. I'll get back to you Tim when it arrives on Monday
cheerz
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jan 7, 2009 04:54AM)
For those just getting Branded, there is website Tim set up that has handlings and tips from some of the top guys in magic like Gordon Bean, Greg Wilson, Andrew Gerard, etc.

http://www.Brandedmagic.com

Also, Greg Wilson does his usual superb job on the DVD that comes with Branded. As a bonus, Greg teaches a voodoo card effect that is similar to the classic ashes in the palm trick. The effect plays big and is worthy of your consideration, so check that out.
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Jan 7, 2009 07:07AM)
That voodoo effect I've been using like cuh-razy... it always is the intro to Branded... tip: I create a sti**y card (Post it) from a red queen - the Voodoo prep is on it, with the other red queen behind... all ready for hindu... makes it a DL easy as I take off the card and let the spec pat the back of the card to allow them to psychically attune to it.... heheheh.... after that effect... when Branded is done... you have already established your fire magic sympathetic magic abilities that Branded goes over without any question... also, I causually leave the bic lighter out in plain view (sans gimmick) wthout bringing attention to it. Due to the red queen alreay prepped - easy to reset the entire 1-2 punch.

This combo I've been doing almost daily since Branded arived. Bravo again Tim!!!
Message: Posted by: Douglas Lippert (Jan 7, 2009 12:03PM)
[quote]
On 2009-01-07 04:54, Christopher Kavanagh wrote:
For those just getting Branded, there is website Tim set up that has handlings and tips from some of the top guys in magic like Gordon Bean, Greg Wilson, Andrew Gerard, etc.

http://www.Brandedmagic.com

Also, Greg Wilson does his usual superb job on the DVD that comes with Branded. As a bonus, Greg teaches a voodoo card effect that is similar to the classic ashes in the palm trick. The effect plays big and is worthy of your consideration, so check that out.
[/quote]

You're very helpful Christopher. Glad to have you here man.

Doug
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jan 7, 2009 07:04PM)
Very kind to say. I'm just passing on information to help folks, as others have done for me.

Dr. S, nice work on the 1-2 punch!
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jan 9, 2009 06:36PM)
[quote]
On 2009-01-06 20:20, Dr Spektor wrote:
Don't forget you can also create Initials of a spec or thought of person if the circumstances are right... I did that the other day and that brought some chills...
[/quote]

I have not tried that, as of yet. Would you be open to sharing a it more of what you do? Quite understandable if it's not appropriate at this time.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jan 9, 2009 07:44PM)
Hey Chris, the following is the gist of it:

Let's say the spectator's name starts with a E or M, the 3 effectively can be a E or a M depending on orientation.
Let's say the spectator's name starts with a L, the 7 effectively can be a L.
Needless to say that if the person's name starts with a K, the K effectively can be a... K (lol). Patter and presentations for this is up to your discretion of course.
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Jan 9, 2009 08:58PM)
Sheesh Kissy, dats too much to post - go Secret Sessions... in any case, what K said is correct - and its actually talked about on the DVD for about 45 seconds :)... if you got the right situation and the spec has an initial that matches what the gimmick can produce - wongabeans!
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jan 9, 2009 09:46PM)
Secret Sessions would be great but sadly most people stop looking through other threads after finding Tricks & Effects. Feel free to move that post though if it's too revealing ;)
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jan 12, 2009 07:55PM)
I just spent some time with Alvo Stockman and he showed me his new Mating Call. It's a really great handling of an already great card force that is perfect for Branded. I strongly recommend this download. You'll use the force all of the time.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Ladd (Jan 14, 2009 12:19AM)
Where in your routine do you guys use Branded? (opener, closer, stand-alone...)
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jan 15, 2009 12:06AM)
I use it as a stand alone (or right after Voodoo Card).

Tim
Message: Posted by: Ladd (Jan 15, 2009 10:46AM)
Thanks for the response Tim, and all of your help in this forum.

I'm going to change my question to get at what I'm really after:
If you don't open with branded, do spectators ever think it's strange that you have done one or more tricks previously with a huge, painful looking blister on your thumb? (I'm talking about the round one for use with the morphing feature)

When I show the round blister people tend to look at like "where did that come from?" Maybe I am over thinking this. Any thoughts?
Message: Posted by: itsmagic (Jan 15, 2009 04:26PM)
That's a good question. I'd like to hear how others are handling that too. Also, if you started with Branded, won't people wonder where the blisters have disappeared to 5 minutes later?

I've only done this once in conjunction with WOW and it's worked really well.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jan 15, 2009 05:49PM)
Hi Ladd. My pleasure... glad to try to help.

The concern you have is precisely why I choose to do it as a stand alone. If you don't use the morph of the blister it's not an issue. I do still do it without the morph some times. But I really like the morph. If I do one quick effect in front of Branded like Voodoo (on the instructional DVD) it is pretty hands off and it could be they just didn't notice the blister. I've never been called on this. But if you've done half an hour of close up magic with them staring at your hands and suddenly the round blister is there I agree there is a problem. In this case you really most likely don't want to use the morph. I think the effect is so strong it's hard to follow. That's why I do it as pretty much a stand alone item.

Your concern is also one reason why the Cross Cut Force works so well here... if you had a big round blister you probably wouldn't want to handle a deck (or anything) that much. It gives justification for THEM cutting the cards per the DVD where this is mentioned. It's funny that for some reason after you are done they don't want to see it over and over. Morgan Strebler's idea of letting them feel it really sells it. But if you are concerned use Jack Tillar's idea of taking out a band aid and putting it over the blister. This really sells it. Typically though when I am doing this they see it, feel it, and then I am out of there.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jan 20, 2009 05:51AM)
[quote]
On 2009-01-09 21:46, kissdadookie wrote:
Secret Sessions would be great but sadly most people stop looking through other threads after finding Tricks & Effects. Feel free to move that post though if it's too revealing ;)
[/quote]

Thanks very much for taking the time to share the info. I use the small lighter, but printed off the info in case I ever use the larger gimmick.
Message: Posted by: thchang (Jan 20, 2009 11:11AM)
I just received my branded today, my gimmick is black color
I am going to buy the BIC lighter this weekend
which color of the BIC lighter will hide the gimmick most??
thank you
Message: Posted by: itsmagic (Jan 20, 2009 12:17PM)
Uh...black. You hold the lighter in your hand, so they never get a good look at the lighter anyway.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jan 22, 2009 07:23PM)
Make sure you check out the new version of Voodoo Card titled Half Moon Voodoo on True Astonishments #3. It's really good. I do the last phase with the lighter as opposed to how it is on the DVD. This version of the Voodoo Card is GREAT. I then go into Branded.

I'd recommend using a black Bic lighter. I am with Chris in that I only use the mini Bic.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Jan 22, 2009 07:36PM)
Droool... glad I ordered the TA set ;) - I do voodoo effect from Branded daily... I got thru a lot of cards...

I also use the miniBic unless it seems I get the opportunity to do the Initials effect instead
Message: Posted by: M Sini (Jan 23, 2009 09:02AM)
When I first recieved mine, I used the large lighter because it still took up less pocket space than 3rd degree burn, but I too have switched to the small one. Now it takes almost no pocket space.
Message: Posted by: Miraclemakers (Jan 26, 2009 08:17AM)
This is a great idea from Greg,
I always bring this gimmick everywhere I go......
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jan 29, 2009 04:52AM)
I'm impressed/pleased, that the lighter is never suspect. When you think about it, it shouldn't be. And it's easy enough to clean up if it ever was brought into question. But, it just doesn't happen. The effect is so strong and those blisters ( I think due to the morph ) so realistic, that's where their focus is.
Message: Posted by: thchang (Jan 31, 2009 07:32AM)
Ohhhh
I got big biclighter instead
can you pls tell me why you think minibic is more advantage then big lighter??
(other than pocket space)
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jan 31, 2009 02:39PM)
In addition to the Voodoo Card effect on TA mentioned above, check out Nathan Kranzo's Voodoo Card on his "Extreme Magic Seminar" DVD. It is excellent. It's his newest handling of his previously released Voodoo Card. I am using this or the one on TA prior to using Branded. They fit in perfectly due to the use of the lighter - it just gets it in play for Branded. Both handlings of the Voodoo Card allow you to start with a regular deck with no apparent preparation. In using either you can touch the card and pretend to get burnt, shake your hand, and show a blister is starting to form. You then go with Branded from there.

Tim
Message: Posted by: M Sini (Feb 1, 2009 03:27PM)
[quote]
On 2009-01-31 07:32, thchang wrote:
Ohhhh
I got big biclighter instead
can you pls tell me why you think minibic is more advantage then big lighter??
(other than pocket space)
[/quote]

I'm not sure it's better but I can only carry so much in my pockets. I would say one good thing with the small one is that you'll never mess up your revelation because you only have one choice.

Mario
Message: Posted by: Paul Gross (Feb 2, 2009 01:44PM)
Hello,

If you have not yet purchased Branded please check out our special offer valid until Friday February 6th at midnight.

Best regards
Paul Gross
owner
Hocus Pocus
Message: Posted by: Review King (Feb 2, 2009 03:02PM)
Here's the direct link to the Hocus-Pocus offer:

http://www.hocus-pocus.com/magicshop/?product=10067

"EVERY ORDER PLACED FOR BRANDED BEFORE FRIDAY FEBRUARY 6th AT MIDNIGHT WILL RECEIVE ONE DECK OF BICYCLE CARDS AND A PACK OF INVISIBLE THREAD LOOPS FREE! THAT'S $15.00 WORTH OF FREE MERCHANDISE".
Message: Posted by: MikeMetal2006 (Feb 4, 2009 02:11AM)
Is this like pyro perception or blistered?
Message: Posted by: MikeMetal2006 (Feb 4, 2009 02:19AM)
Or third degree burn?
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Feb 4, 2009 03:34AM)
Hi Mike. It's basically the same effect (the Blister effect was created by Jack Tillar who endorses Branded) but a very practical gimmick that allows you to do the effect without going to the pockets or fiddling around so you get the card blister right in front of them and VERY quickly. Although this is a very lengthy thread there is really all of the information you could ever need about Branded in it. I stand behind this product 100% and am absolutely confident you will be happy. The effect is very strong and way out of proportion to the easy method.

Tim Trono
Message: Posted by: Review King (Feb 4, 2009 03:43AM)
Here's some reviews of BRANDED. Hope that helps ( it's not easy going through 18 pages ).

http://magicfriday.blogspot.com/search?q=branded

http://magic.about.com/od/magicreview/fr/053108branded.htm
Message: Posted by: MikeMetal2006 (Feb 4, 2009 03:48AM)
Thanks Tim!
Message: Posted by: thchang (Feb 4, 2009 08:58AM)
*** ***
I bought branded from hocus on january
which means...i don't have those free gifts
***
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Feb 8, 2009 11:07PM)
A few forces you should examine... I just saw the Overhand Shuffle Force on the Ninja 2 DVD by Ellusionist and it is very good and worth checking out. Also Joshua Jay gives a nice finesse on the Riffle Force on disk 3 of Talk About Tricks DVD set.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Review King (Feb 10, 2009 09:45PM)
Joshua Jay's teaching of the Riffle Force Finesse and the Riffle Force Variant on the Talk About Tricks DVD set that Tim mentioned, will change the way you do the riffle force or if you shied away form this force, it will make you feel more confidant to try it.

The Talk About Tricks DVD set is one of my favorite DVD releases.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Feb 11, 2009 02:30PM)
Talk About Tricks I think is one of the releases that was extremely understated. It is a absolute blockbuster of a release.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Feb 11, 2009 07:11PM)
In addition to the forces there is a great effect (card transpo) performed and taught by John Lovick that is worth investigating.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Review King (Feb 12, 2009 05:40PM)
On the Paul Harris True Astonishments DVD set, Extraordinary Proof by Andrew Gerard on disk 5 has a force that is dead easy ( you need a table ) and has all the touches from Andrew that make it deceptive and convincing.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Feb 17, 2009 05:32PM)
Any Branded folks see Nate Kranzo's Voodoo Card that's on his Extreme Magic Seminar DVD that Tim mentioned above?
Message: Posted by: feifei (Feb 19, 2009 09:58AM)
This was revealed on the latest MM series on national tv.... is Tim gonna take some legal action?
Message: Posted by: Review King (Feb 25, 2009 10:47AM)
[quote]
On 2009-02-19 09:58, feifei wrote:
This was revealed on the latest MM series on national tv.... is Tim gonna take some legal action?
[/quote]

I think it's best to ignore these things. There's such a small audience for those shows and..with good routining the most exposed magic fools and amazes lay folks. No one remembers how those things are done from those shows anyway.

Professionals continue to use Branded, so that's the real barometer.
Message: Posted by: animation (Feb 25, 2009 05:53PM)
Haven't seen the masked magician's new shows but as a owner of the branded gimmick, I really angry that he has exposed this method. Someone should get on the case for us magicians, especially when exposing products on TV
Message: Posted by: feifei (Feb 26, 2009 12:37AM)
[quote]
On 2009-02-25 10:47, Christopher Kavanagh wrote:
[quote]
On 2009-02-19 09:58, feifei wrote:
This was revealed on the latest MM series on national tv.... is Tim gonna take some legal action?
[/quote]

I think it's best to ignore these things. There's such a small audience for those shows and..with good routining the most exposed magic fools and amazes lay folks. No one remembers how those things are done from those shows anyway.

Professionals continue to use Branded, so that's the real barometer.
[/quote]

That's a good point though.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Feb 26, 2009 05:27PM)
Just back from Blackpool which was a blast. I was there with my friends David Blaine and Doug McKenzie so it was obviously pretty crazy. I saw a lot of old friends, met some new friends, and saw some wonderful magic Murphy's will be proudly distributing. We had a lot of fun and I'd strongly recommend attending Blackpool. I head out to World Magic Seminar on Sunday.

As far as the MM I'd strongly agree. The worst thing we can do is give these guys any credence by acknowledging what they are doing and making a stink of it- that's exactly what they are looking for. They Quite honestly I think the show has little to no effect as people simply don't remember. I'd bet that you can go do any item exposed on the show the day later and fool your audience.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Barry Donovan (Feb 28, 2009 07:14AM)
Didn't go blackpool but wasnt blaine mobbed everywere he went?
Message: Posted by: Miikka (Mar 2, 2009 06:36PM)
Hey

Got this from Gregory Wilson himself at a lecture yesterday. All I can say is that Mr. Trono has made a wonderful version of the "blister trick" that kicks a**!
I personally perform about 3-5 close up tricks regularly and this will be one of those, what a way to 'fry' people!

Miikka
Message: Posted by: Review King (Mar 5, 2009 09:12AM)
[quote]
On 2009-03-02 18:36, Miikka wrote:
Hey

Got this from Gregory Wilson himself at a lecture yesterday. All I can say is that Mr. Trono has made a wonderful version of the "blister trick" that kicks a**!
I personally perform about 3-5 close up tricks regularly and this will be one of those, what a way to 'fry' people!

Miikka
[/quote]

I didn't know Greg did lectures. How excting to see him in person.
Message: Posted by: murli (Mar 5, 2009 10:05AM)
Greg on Tour all around the World!
Germany 2002
http://www.stolina.de/seminar/gregory_wilson.php
Message: Posted by: serge storms (Mar 6, 2009 10:16PM)
Just got Branded also and LOVE IT. It's now like my "american express card" from the old commercials. That, a TT, and the coins for "street cents" along with my peek wallet are in my pockets always and can cover a lot of ground. Nice product Tim and thank you!
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Mar 10, 2009 01:11AM)
Thanks for the kind comments. I am TRULY glad you are enjoying Branded. If any of your have additional ideas, need any help with this, or are having ANY issues, please feel free to contact me directly as I stand behind Branded 100%. It gets an amazing reaction. Thanks again.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Review King (Mar 14, 2009 04:23PM)
[quote]
On 2009-03-06 22:16, serge storms wrote:
Just got Branded also and LOVE IT. It's now like my "american express card" from the old commercials. That, a TT, and the coins for "street cents" along with my peek wallet are in my pockets always and can cover a lot of ground. Nice product Tim and thank you!
[/quote]

With just a few items, you can be a walking show. And it looks like you have nothing special on you. Freakey on your key chain, Branded in your pocket, an Out-Law peek wallet, True Astonishment Pen, etc. Just things like that are simple to carry and look natural.

Has anyone tried using Branded with no cards and the B'wave patter? For those times when someone wants you to "show me something", I think it's very powerful. Just curious if anyone else has tried it.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Mar 24, 2009 12:50AM)
Watch French Connexion by James Chadier for a great force for Branded. It is really strong. There are some other wonderful effects and ideas on this DVD as well.

Tim
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Mar 24, 2009 08:41AM)
I used it once for a Stigmata effect when I learned the name was Katherine. They squeezed my wrist and it popped up on my thumb...very weird...lol
Message: Posted by: Tim Jahn (Mar 24, 2009 08:57AM)
Just a word about Tim.

I recently broke my gimmick (In the washer..I'm a dummy) and I contacted Tim about perhaps getting a replacement.

He got back to me quickly, Did me a huge favor, And now I have a new gimmick on the way.

I can't say enough about what a great, Upstanding gentlemen Tim is.
Just super nice guy and I want to thank him publicly for what he did for me.

Thanks Tim,
Your one of a kind. ;)

Tim
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Mar 24, 2009 10:39AM)
Yup, Tim and the folks at Murphy's Magic are outstanding and definitely goes beyond the call of duty.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Mar 24, 2009 10:22PM)
Thanks for the very kind comments. It was my pleasure. I definitely stand by Branded 100% so am happy to help immediately resolve any issues no matter who you bought it through. I want to ensure that anyone who purchases it is happy. Thanks again for the support.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Review King (Apr 1, 2009 11:58AM)
[quote]
On 2009-03-24 08:41, slyhand wrote:
I used it once for a Stigmata effect when I learned the name was Katherine. They squeezed my wrist and it popped up on my thumb...very weird...lol
[/quote]

That's very interesting. Anyone else trying this?
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Apr 1, 2009 10:25PM)
[quote]
On 2009-03-24 08:57, Tim Jahn wrote:
Just a word about Tim.

I recently broke my gimmick (In the washer..I'm a dummy) and I contacted Tim about perhaps getting a replacement.

He got back to me quickly, Did me a huge favor, And now I have a new gimmick on the way.

I can't say enough about what a great, Upstanding gentlemen Tim is.
Just super nice guy and I want to thank him publicly for what he did for me.

Thanks Tim,
Your one of a kind. ;)

Tim
[/quote]

He did the same for me as well. Good guy.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Apr 1, 2009 11:31PM)
Thanks for the kind words. Glad to help.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Review King (Apr 14, 2009 12:14AM)
I've been trying to get down Harry Lorayne's classic force he forms behind his back ( he teaches it on his L&L DVD set ). Harry's a master at it.

It would make such a convincing 'free choice' for Branded.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Apr 18, 2009 02:17PM)
For those interested in various card forces I might recommend picking up Encyclopedia of Impromptu Card Forces by Lewis Jones. It is available from H&R and is apparently limited to 300 copies. I just ordered my copy.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Review King (May 4, 2009 02:31PM)
I had the opportunity to perform Branded sitting down. I did the cross cut force ( which is taught on the DVD ) and it worked as well as any other method I've done.

The time delay on this force is what makes this so deceptive. It's not an amateur force and pro's use this force.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (May 4, 2009 05:41PM)
Just finished going over Encyclopedia of Impromptu Card Forces by Lewis Jones noted above and it is great. If you are looking at forces you'll want this. I believe it is a limited edition. It is well done with tons of photos, etc. Also just finished watching Lou Serrano's Steel Ball DVD (available only directly from Lou and HIGHLY recommended)- Lou teaching a nice handling of the Slip Cut Force as well as a nice force with a credit card that goes back to Vanni Bossi and was also independently developed by Jay Sankey.

Tim
Message: Posted by: magicandsoul (May 4, 2009 09:13PM)
I just watched the masked magician reveal Branded (the exact gimmick) on television. Will someone please send this magic terrorist to Gitmo?!

M&S
Message: Posted by: slyhand (May 4, 2009 09:29PM)
He is such a richard.
Message: Posted by: BlakeAdams (May 5, 2009 12:10AM)
Yea I was surprised to see branded revealed, that's annoying, I just performed it tonight and its revealed on tv the same evening
Message: Posted by: Review King (May 5, 2009 12:27AM)
[quote]
On 2009-05-05 00:10, BlakeAdams wrote:
Yea I was surprised to see branded revealed, that's annoying, I just performed it tonight and its revealed on tv the same evening
[/quote]

A verrrrry small audience saw it. The street special 10 years ago exposed IT and the cig through quarter and I've never met anyone that knew how it was done.

Carry Branded and entertain folks.
Message: Posted by: jskalon (May 5, 2009 12:40AM)
As much as the Masked Turd does aggravate me at times, Christopher is right. Not enough people see the show to cause any major damage. Besides, the guy sucks as a performer.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (May 5, 2009 01:41AM)
What is interesting is TV Rights are reserved and no one ever contacted me for permission.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Markymark (May 5, 2009 04:45AM)
Well we know there is no justice in the world but this masked fool really should
lose a lot of money from him and his production company by being quietly sued.
Message: Posted by: jstone (May 5, 2009 05:45AM)
[quote]
On 2009-05-05 01:41, Tim Trono wrote:
What is interesting is TV Rights are reserved and no one ever contacted me for permission.

Tim
[/quote]
Tim,

I know you've got a ton on your plate, but you should go after this bozo... if for no other reason than to send him a message. He's like a big scale version of these punk kids that think they're cool for going on youtube and exposing stuff.
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (May 5, 2009 07:35AM)
I agree Tim, you had TV rights reserved. You MAY have a better chance. As you know he exposed my Autobend Silverware a few months ago, including the switch I first devised and others have copied in their releases since my release. I didn't have TV right reserved on Autobend and couldn't do anything about it, but you may have better luck.

On a side but related note...a lot of people don't know that I was the first magician to do the Crusher effect exposed last night. Magic Makers in Canada custom built me the first one based on some of my ideas. I had a year's exclusive on the illusion and then Gary was allowed to sell more. The original illusion is seldom seen and I was flabbergasted to see it exposed along side Tim's trick. I hope for all our sakes the ratings were VERY low for last night. The problem is they keep repeating the shows to make sure more people get a chance to see them. In a few weeks they will most likely run last night's episode again.

Devin Knight
Message: Posted by: NexusMagicShop (May 12, 2009 07:35PM)
[quote]
On 2009-05-04 21:13, magicandsoul wrote:
I just watched the masked magician reveal Branded (the exact gimmick) on television. Will someone please send this magic terrorist to Gitmo?!

M&S
[/quote]

I seen this too... And it came on after Masters of illusion. So disappointing!
Message: Posted by: M Sini (May 13, 2009 08:42AM)
Hey guys, I'm not sure if this has been mentioned in the previous 20 pages, but I wanted to share a little something about Branded.

I normally buy my lighters in 3 packs in which all different colors are mixed. Obviously black works the best but mine had ran out of fluid and I only had light blue ones left. Fitting the gimmick to the light blue lighter had the potential to draw more attention to the lighter than I wanted so... the fix? A black sharpie did the trick. I didn't color the whole lighter, just the area that can be seen.

I'm sure someone has already thought of this but hopefully someone will find it useful.
Message: Posted by: Review King (May 13, 2009 10:52AM)
Mario, great thinking. Thanks for sharing that tip!
Message: Posted by: joseph (May 13, 2009 11:38AM)
It is also possible to take out the lighter after the work is done...
Message: Posted by: jstone (May 13, 2009 11:42AM)
[quote]
On 2009-05-13 11:38, joseph wrote:
It is also possible to take out the lighter after the work is done...
[/quote]

Joseph,

I've done that on a few occasions, but generally speaking, it's not necessary.
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (May 13, 2009 03:25PM)
Some one asked me if I had the lighter from the trick I did the other week with the lighter? (Branded) I said I don't think so why. Well because I saw it on this show the other week that they showed how you were doing it with the lighter...

I wanted to kick that masked magician right in the tenders...

But I'll still do the effect. It's good enough to be worth the risk.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (May 13, 2009 06:45PM)
Most people I have talked to who have watched an episode or so literally forget everything they see by the end of the show. The part that is ridiculous is it just cheapens magic overall and the shows look completely cheesy. The best thing to do is to ignore them, give them no credence/attention since they don't really deserve any, etc. You can go out an do almost any item exposed and completely fool people as they simply don't remember and then you add in the cheese factor and they give the show and the explanations no credence. In my opinion, all they do is cheapen our art despite motives supposedly contrary to that.

Tim
Message: Posted by: jayder (May 14, 2009 04:56PM)
Just a thought. If you have one of the other methods mentioned for achieving this effect, you could do it that way for a while and show the folk that there is no gimmick on the lighter.And explain that it's only the idiot masked magician who does it that way.Taking the heat off the lighter for a few weeks means you could reintroduce it later.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 8, 2009 07:47AM)
Years ago I caught the MM show and not long after, couldn't remember what was done on the show, let alone the explanation.

It's been a year since Branded was released and it's still in my pocket. It leaves such a strong impression on folks because it goes beyond a magic 'trick'. This is the effect to always carry.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jun 9, 2009 02:30AM)
Wayne Houchin has an effect on his upcoming DVD that works perfect as an effect just before going into Branded.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jul 10, 2009 05:07PM)
It happened with the iPhone, it happened with HD flat screen TV's, and now it is happening with Branded. With a new production run there has been a reduced cost structure (molds, etc. are paid for) and I am now able to offer a 20% savings on Branded. Branded was $49.95. It is now $39.95.... a full 20% off the price when it was initially introduced. Reach out to your favorite dealer to get this new lower retail price.

Find out why such people as David Copperfield, Paul Harris, Chris Kenner, Kevin James, Daryl, Greg Wilson, Keith Barry, Jack Tillar, Luke Jermay, Gordon Bean, Andrew Gerard, Sean Fields, Kenton Knepper, and other top names are raving about Branded. Find out why Jeff McBride, David Blaine, and many top performers around the world carry and USE Branded on a regular basis. Find out why Wayne Houchin says "A fantastically practical application of the classic effect. Very well done - Unlike 99.9% of the material that is released onto the market, this is something that I will use in my personal, professional - walk around act.” Find out why David Blaine says "I love this! It's Amazing!"

Branded includes two precision molded gimmicks, a thorough instructional DVD by Greg Wilson with every detail covered, and access to instructions in Japanese, French, and Spanish as well as new ideas, tips, and handlings. Branded is something you will USE and get amazing reactions with - I guarantee it. I know with the tough economy every last dollar is important so I feel 100% comfortable assuring you that you will get your money's worth with Branded and you will use it.

Tim
Message: Posted by: jstone (Jul 12, 2009 02:47AM)
Branded is the ONLY effect that I always carry with me. I keep it in my laptop bag, and my laptop bag is like a woman's purse. I always have it with me. I have a deck of cards and Branded with me all the time. It's a great way to end a set of a few card tricks or just as an effect by itself.

I may have posted this in an earlier page on this thread, but just in case, check out my [url=http://stonecoldmagicmagazine.com/gems-and-rubble/holy-stretch-branded-steel-and-silver/]review of it here[/url].
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jul 12, 2009 07:58AM)
There's also the Branded Website that has allot of tips, routines and ideas:

http://www.brandedmagic.com
Message: Posted by: chappelly (Jul 12, 2009 08:52AM)
Fire, cards,spectataor involvement, pain ,a highly unusual card blister .
What more could you want from a trick.
Message: Posted by: OMagicOne (Jul 14, 2009 09:19PM)
I use this on a regular basis. I find many occasions where it has been useful. Thanks for the sharpie tip Mario. I also have ran out of fluid and did not think of that. Good idea.
I use it with flash string around the deck with great results!
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jul 29, 2009 08:57AM)
Mentalists like Larry Becker like to do effects where no deck is used and the 'thought of card' is arrived at and revealed in an envelope. I think Branded is perfect for this type of theater. I use the B'wave patter and it works beautifully.
Message: Posted by: thchang (Aug 10, 2009 10:10PM)
Hey tim

I have performed quite a lot of tricks over this month
and guess what, everyone said they impressed with the branded most.

But I found that I am not 100% satisfied with the instruction DVD, it's much shallower that what I expect, I think next time you can expand the DVD length by giving out more methods, routines and possibilities.

I ended up with googling,youtubing and come up with my own routine.

I had one of a friend who saw me perform Branded more than 5 times, and he said he thinks he knew how I did it, but last weekend in the pub, when I performed to others, I changed the routine and perform branded after I performed "in a flash", completely blew his mind, he then said to me, "
I thought I knew how you did it but....i have no idea now"

once again, I just want to say branded is one of my favourite and best magic, but the DVD content can be better.

And can I ask you a favour? I remembered before I purchase Branded, I watched a trailor on the net, it's not done by Greg Wilson, I think it's done by you, I cannot remember now, but the routine is different, I like that routine more but I cannot find it anymore, do you know where can I find it??
That video is about the magician tried to light up the lighter but cannot, tried few times, then grab the fire and point to the lady's forehead and got burned........that's all I remembered.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Aug 11, 2009 01:01AM)
Thanks for the kind words about Branded. I appreciate your constructive thoughts on the DVD. Quite frankly when Greg Wilson helped me with this it was not a normal pie of his repertoire but he loved it and I was out of commission with a very bad leg injury for a number of months. Greg had just started putting some time in with this. He also had some fabulous and important ideas. We knew that this would spark many additional ideas, handlings, etc. so we felt it was important to have a support site (www.brandedmagic.com) where we could add additional ideas as they have developed. I have to be honest in that I have tried many different ways/handlings of this. I'm sure you'll try different ideas for different conditions. As an example, sometimes I have used the morph aspect and sometimes I have not. It depends upon the attention span of the spectators, how much time I wish to spend, etc.

I am not sure exactly which clip you mean. All of the clips however can be found at http://www.murphysmagic.com/Product.aspx?id=36486 You will find clips by my friends Daniel Lachman, Andy Amyx, Morgan Strebler, etc. These guys all use Branded. Make sure to check out the http://www.brandedmagic.com site as I realize there are a number of pages to this thread and I have tried to pull various great ideas, get permission to post them, and have posted those once approved. If you have any ideas you'd like me to post I would love to get them. Always best to e-mail me as I rarely check my PMs.

Thanks again for your support.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Mr. Mystoffelees (Aug 11, 2009 09:37AM)
Let me add some kind words of my own. Not only is the effect great, but Tim's customer service is tops. If you don't have this, GET IT! You won't be disappointed.

Jim
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Aug 11, 2009 12:53PM)
Thanks Jim. I appreciate that. I want to make sure everyone who invests in this is happy. With so many products out I think it is imperative that producers stand behind their items.

Tim
Message: Posted by: thchang (Aug 11, 2009 09:15PM)
Thx tim

yeah, tim's service is the best, he replied to every of my post!!

Tim, http://brandedmagic.com/ is great, but are you thinking of adding the video clips for those addition ideas as well? I found I like to watch the video more than reading the text, sometimes I like to see the handling more
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Aug 12, 2009 01:03PM)
If people want to send clips of ideas, performances, etc. I would love to post those. Most of what I have received is written descriptions.

Thanks again for the kind words.

Tim
Message: Posted by: wolfmaster (Aug 16, 2009 12:28PM)
I have this and I like it. I have all other previous versions and love them all.
The great thing about Tim's version, it that it allows you to perform it under fire, and no pocket fumbling. Everything looks fair. It's just great.
Message: Posted by: Alel (Aug 16, 2009 03:10PM)
I really love how the gimmick is 'concealed'...I must say this is the best version out there (at least that I know of...)

I'm very sad that I lost my Branded gimmick somehow (the single reveal one...) :(
Message: Posted by: DP the Great (Aug 18, 2009 04:06PM)
I bought this a while back and have used it much more than anticipated. Its easy to carry since it is so small and compact and super easy to do and everyone I do it for is always impressed/concerned haha. Turned out to be a winner! Would like to get more presentation ideas tho...
Message: Posted by: Review King (Nov 18, 2009 11:29AM)
I still carry Branded everyday. Over the summer I was traveling around and visiting friends and brought my guitar and did this little outdoor show with music and magic. Not busking ( you need talent for that ). Just had the guitar case open for sympathy donations or requests to please stop playing.

Anyway, If someone stopped, I'd show them an effect. Only did two. Card to Wallet ( Hip Pocket Mullica ) and Branded. These effects are drastic contrasts, but combined make for some incredible reactions. I'd do Branded and then have them sign the card and do Card To Wallet, so now they get a memento of the encounter. And...the Branded pips are still on my fingers after Card To Wallet is finished, so I hold the signed card up next to my fingers afterwards. Makes for a nice moment.

Branded would be a killer effect for Buskers I would think. People want to come close and see the marks on your fingers Nice way to get them closer for the pitch ( for folks that only do very small groups ). Any Buskers using Branded?
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (Nov 18, 2009 11:37AM)
Is that you Chris? nice to see you back.No pm box????
Message: Posted by: Joe Mauro (Nov 21, 2009 01:28AM)
What if you don't smoke?
Message: Posted by: M Sini (Nov 21, 2009 07:53AM)
[quote]
On 2009-11-21 01:28, Joe Mauro wrote:
What if you don't smoke?
[/quote]

You should still carry a lighter...for when girls ask for a light. ;)
Message: Posted by: itsmagic (Nov 21, 2009 10:26AM)
[quote]
On 2009-11-21 07:53, Mario Orsini wrote:
[quote]
On 2009-11-21 01:28, Joe Mauro wrote:
What if you don't smoke?
[/quote]

You should still carry a lighter...for when girls ask for a light. ;)
[/quote]

What if no girls are around? :)

Branded is okay. I haven't used it but a couple of times.
Message: Posted by: fib (Nov 22, 2009 05:37AM)
Use a blow up doll.
fib
Message: Posted by: Douglas Lippert (Nov 22, 2009 10:18PM)
[quote]
On 2009-11-22 05:37, fib wrote:
Use a blow up doll.
fib
[/quote]

But please be careful- plastics can be very flammable! ha-ha..
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Nov 24, 2009 06:10PM)
I have been doing Titan's Finger since he showed me this last year then going into Branded. It kind of draws attention to your finger initially. Titan's effect looks unbelievable.

While I have not tried it I have also considered using Kostya Kimlat's Warning then later doing Branded. The only thing needed though is the gimmick will need a little filing inside to allow the sticker. Kostya's item is great as well.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Review King (Dec 23, 2009 01:37PM)
Tim, could you share a bit about how you combine Titans Finger and Branded? I like piggy backing effects onto each other, so I'm curious. Not your personal routine, just the bare bones so to speak. Thanks!

Chris
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Dec 24, 2009 01:09PM)
Nothing clever here but I am happy to share what I do. I talk about how people think magician's hands are so fast and how flexile we have to be to do magic. I then go into Titan's Finger, supposedly breaking my finger, twisting it around, and "restoring" it. I then go into Branded- having a card selected running my finger under the lighter to get the blister, etc. I emphasize... "watch the finger we just twisted... you are not going to believe this". In this case, I obviously do NOT use the morph of the regular blister to the card blister. I believe the emphasis on the fingers before just makes them focus on the finger more (in a very magical and bizarre way) and so when the card blister appears they freak out even more (it could not have been there before). I know a few people have been scared of Titan's Finger but this effect KILLS. It's a bit like a top change... you may have concern that the method will work as it is so bold and ingenious but it DOES.

Tim
Message: Posted by: james1234 (Dec 30, 2009 05:33PM)
Hey, I have to say this trick does get killer reactions and the gimmicks are well made, however, my bigger one has already broken, is there anyway to get a replacement??
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Dec 30, 2009 05:39PM)
Glad you are enjoying it. Feel free to contact me via my e-mail (not PM) and I will be glad to help you.

Tim Trono
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Dec 30, 2009 05:44PM)
BTW... check out Nathan Kranzo's Voodoo Card effect on his Extreme Magic Seminar DVD. It is excellent. I have used this and then gone into Branded. Perfect fit.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Jan 4, 2010 01:32AM)
See http://crisjohnsontricktalk.blogspot.com/

Tim
Message: Posted by: james1234 (Jan 5, 2010 02:45PM)
If anyone was looking for a different effect to use with branded, there's a really good effect on Wayne Houchins 'Art of Magic' DVD called carbon paper, its an excellent effect which I think was originally by Jay Sankey, If you liked the bonus trick on the dvd you should like this one too :)

I would also like to thank tim for his excellent customer service for this product as I have received great communication from him :)
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jan 14, 2010 01:07AM)
Ask someone to name a card in the deck. If they name one of the Branded cards, you have a miracle. If not, use the card they named for an ACR or the like. No loss. You can still do Branded after that.

I use Branded all the time and can't say enough about what a miracle it is in your pocket.

And...I still feel doing B'Wave without actual cards is a great way to go with Branded.

Chris
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jan 16, 2010 01:45AM)
I'm going to share what else I've been doing with Branded. On Paul Harris's True Astonishments set, volume 5, there is an incredible effect taught by Andrew Gerard.

"Extraordinary Proof": Andrew Gerard is back with a self-working Stop masterpiece that leave your holding your favorite spectator's hand. All you have to do is show up and deal.

This effect is dead easy and fools people badly because of the subtleties Andrew throws in as he leads them down the garden path. I do it with Branded and I'm telling you the outcome is killer, with reactions to match.

I hope folks that have Branded and the TA set give it a try.

Chris
Message: Posted by: A.G. (Jan 16, 2010 12:55PM)
That's great !

I can see how Branded will kill with Extraordinary proof !

Believe it or not, a couple of very in the know magis recently got burned very bad by that trick... lol

Simple = best

AG\
Message: Posted by: ross welford (Jan 26, 2010 09:02AM)
Just got this - it's great! I haven't performed it yet, but wondered if anyone else had come up with this idea...

Do you remember that old "geek" stunt of holding a lit cigarette end between your finger and thumb? All you have to do is to hold an ice cube between your fingers for a few seconds, dry your fingers then do it. Heaven knows how it works, but it does: you don't burn yourself.

So - how about combining that stunt with Branded? I don't know if it'll work, don't blame me if you burn yourself! The sequence of moves would be: 1} ice cube; 2} get the round blister; 3) hold the lit cigarette; 4) show blisters; 5) do the morph.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Feb 8, 2010 01:11AM)
I went to a Superbowl get together tonight and was asked to 'do some magic'. I said if they had a deck of cards, at halftime I would do something. I knew they had poker parties at this home, so it was most likely they did.

I did Branded differently than I ever have before and I liked it better.

The host brought a deck ( KEM brand, so no signed cards;-) I looked to see if it was a full deck ( you can do this casually, not really counting, just so you can spot the force card and control it ).

I had the larger gimmick with me, which I've been using lately. So, I controlled two cards and gave them an option of taking a different card ( above that one ). I quite like doing that with Branded. They passed, but if they said yes, you have another card to force.

While they showed the card, I got the blister. But, for the card reveal, I didn't use my lighter flame. I asked someone to light a match from a book on the table and I used that flame. When I used the lighter, I did a couple of dead strikes and I said it's almost out of fluid, so it made sense to use the matches next.

I thought it added an incredible moment to the effect. It could have been someone's lighter, but there were matches on the table. Oh, I extinguished the match with my fingers. Great visual, I feel.

Also....I kept getting the impression during the second half, because as expected, during commercials, someone wanted to see my fingers.

Chris
Message: Posted by: Review King (Apr 21, 2010 12:15PM)
I want to tip an idea for forcing the card that is so strong and powerful for those those have the TA set.

It uses Paul Harris's force from SOS ( Son Of Stunner ) from the True Astonishment set. Essentially, you shuffle the deck face up/face down and they freely stop on a face down card ( That's how it looks to them;-)

Those with the TA set, watch SOS and try it just as a force. I think you'll get a giant smile on your face.

Chris Kavanagh
Message: Posted by: rottenmagic (May 7, 2010 08:28PM)
This effect is awesome. The gimmicks are well built, the effect is well taught, and the reactions you get are unbelievable. Good job tim.
Message: Posted by: rottenmagic (May 7, 2010 08:39PM)
This effect is awesome. The gimmicks are well built, the effect is well taught, and the reactions you get are unbelievable. Good job tim.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (May 8, 2010 03:21PM)
Try using Christopher Kenworthey's Mastermind Deck (3H) with Branded. This allows you a super clean effect. You take out the deck, spread them face up so that the spectator can see all different cards, and using this deck they seem to have a super free choice (and can change their mind) but you get them to select the 3H. You then go into Branded. It is SO fair.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Matze (May 18, 2010 09:38AM)
It also works with john kennedys mind power deck (well,most of the time..)
if they think of the 3,7,or king,you can get the impression for a final climax
you d have to figure out a routine where it would make sense though
maybe something like derren brown,where he needs 'pain' to activate his "powers" ;-)
like in the button-counting trick...
you burn yourself in the flame,which gives you the "power" you read the spectators mind,and if they happen to think of one of the force cards..you go into the blister-climax

anyway, Mr. Trono,I just sent you an email...one of my gimmicks broke =( (it was my fault)
So I need a replacement (if that's posssible)
Message: Posted by: ross welford (May 19, 2010 07:09AM)
OK I have been playing with this a lot now. It rocks! I never fails to get AMAZING responses. For the force I've been using the Hindu force and no one has ever busted me on it (they may be being polite, but I don't think so).

The reason the hindu force works so well for this, I think, is that it's over very quickly and is almost incidental. I don't say "now I need you to select a card," or anything. It's just, "say stop anywhere...okay - remember your card," and the cards are put away in my pocket. It's that quick, and thereafter, I refer to the card they are thinking of, NOT the card they chose or selected.

Truly one of my best recent purchases.
Message: Posted by: Kamal (May 20, 2010 09:22PM)
Agreed - the reactions to this are hot! (pun intended)
Message: Posted by: rottenmagic (May 22, 2010 09:47PM)
Just wanted to mention the excellent customer service that I have received from tim. Truly a cut above his competition. Thanks again tim.
Message: Posted by: deputy (May 22, 2010 10:31PM)
Agreed. Tim has amazing customer service
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (May 23, 2010 02:13AM)
My pleasure guys and thanks for the support and kind words. Glad you are using Branded.

Tim
Message: Posted by: magicbyswh (May 23, 2010 01:46PM)
Tim just curious how many Branded have sold to date throughout the world?
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (May 24, 2010 10:21PM)
Not nearly enough LOL. But it's been good because the people who bought Branded have really had success with it and that is very important to me on any project I am involved in. So much magic that it is imperative that it is a worker.

Tim
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 19, 2010 12:20PM)
It's been 2 years since it was relased and I still use this. One of the all time great releases in magic.

Chris
Message: Posted by: MeHitDrum (Aug 20, 2010 08:26PM)
I'd like to share that I'm very impressed with Tim's sincere approach to customer service. I had a questions regarding my copy of Branded and he responded quickly and with genuine concern. Thanks Tim.

Dave
Message: Posted by: Review King (Sep 17, 2010 01:33PM)
Here's Andy Amyx Performing Branded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXObJ9Ymu3o

Chris