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Topic: Best packet trick of all time
Message: Posted by: sohaib (Aug 30, 2010 10:10PM)
The reason I want to start this thread is I saw Alex Elmsley's Dazzle last night on The Tahoe Sessions and I was blown away! This has got to be the best packet trick of all time! Nothing comes close to this! It was beautiful - by far the best packet trick I've ever seen. The whole routine was a beautiful magical moment for me!

You guys ofcourse will have your own favorite! What do you feel is the best packet trick of all time?

- Sohaib
Message: Posted by: David Dunstan (Aug 30, 2010 10:17PM)
NFW by Gary Freed and an effect named 'Reverso' by New Zealand magician David Taylor are my favorite to perform.

Regards,
David
Message: Posted by: Vlad_77 (Aug 30, 2010 11:22PM)
Favorite and best and two very different terms.

So I will mention a few favorites since answering what is the "best" is impossible :)

In no particular order:

Poor Man's Monte (Richard Vollmer in Apocalypse)
Presto Printo (Daryl)
Ambitious Classic (Classic Magic of Larry Jennings)
Lorayne's Ten Card Poker deal
Trost's 8 Card Brainwave
DDLT
Jazz Aces
TranceFusion by Peter Duffie
Frier by Cameron Francis


Not an exhaustive list by ANY means, but, these have served VERY well.

Namaste,
Vlad
Message: Posted by: pepka (Aug 31, 2010 01:44AM)
There are 2 things that come to my mind when someone says "Packet Trick". First, a trick that just uses a small packet of normal cards. This would be like Twisting the Aces, Dr. Daley's last trick, Reset etc. And of course there are the marketed packet tricks with gaffs that normally sell for $10-$20. Twisted sister, B'Wave etc. In my regular professional set right now in category #1 are Twister by Chris Kenner, and in category #2, Spin Dr. and Royal Scam by John Bannon are serving me very well.
Message: Posted by: sohaib (Aug 31, 2010 02:39AM)
[quote]
On 2010-08-31 00:22, Vlad_77 wrote:
Favorite and best and two very different terms.

So I will mention a few favorites since answering what is the "best" is impossible :)

In no particular order:

Poor Man's Monte (Richard Vollmer in Apocalypse)
Presto Printo (Daryl)
Ambitious Classic (Classic Magic of Larry Jennings)
Lorayne's Ten Card Poker deal
Trost's 8 Card Brainwave
DDLT
Jazz Aces
TranceFusion by Peter Duffie
Frier by Cameron Francis


Not an exhaustive list by ANY means, but, these have served VERY well.

Namaste,
Vlad
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Very good list Vlad! I'm not familiar with TranceFusion and Frier - I'll check them out!
Message: Posted by: whitesonora (Aug 31, 2010 06:01AM)
I would put two different packet tricks here.

One with non-gaffed cards: The last Trick Of Dr. Daley.
An awesome trick where the magic takes place in the hands of the spectators

One with gaffed cards: "Print" ("L'imprimerie") by Dominique Duvivier
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xcg8x0_l-imprimerie-de-dominique-duvivier_creation

This effect blow people away. And you end completely clean

:)
Message: Posted by: Mark Jarvis (Aug 31, 2010 12:22PM)
Emerson and West's Color Monte....Great story and a surprise ending.
Message: Posted by: Vlad_77 (Aug 31, 2010 02:24PM)
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On 2010-08-31 13:22, Mark Jarvis wrote:
Emerson and West's Color Monte....Great story and a surprise ending.
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Mark,

It is a great effect. If you ever become a demonstrator in a magic shop, that effect is required learning. It is a guaranteed sale and a good way to upsell to other things.

Namaste,
Vlad
Message: Posted by: Dougini (Sep 1, 2010 04:07PM)
My favorite of all? One I adapted from an effect I bought back in 1989/1990, called, "Done With Mirrors".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOejSe_j6oA

I eventually changed it from all fours, to ace, two, three and four, added a red/blue DB, and changed out the mirror-backed cards with with four different flower picture backs (for the ladies). Then, I changed those for Pepsi, Coke, Sprite, and Dr. Pepper backs. Then, thinking about it, I really couldn't find a logical reason for the change to soda labels.

So, I switched the soda labels for four different beer label cards. So you show that one card at a time turns over with blue backs. I ask the color of the backs, and they say, "blue". I say,"You sure?" Then show red backs. Then, it made sense to end with, "...Don't tell anyone you saw Blue AND Red backs, they'll think you've been drinking!" Then, of course, showing the four beer cards. I've done it that way ever since. I had to buy four decks, just to get the ace, two, three and four! Still, I've gotten a lot of mileage out of that packet trick. Three different card back changes.

"Done With Mirrors", by the way, is now marketed as, "Flipped, Marked & Mirrored", and is available at MJM Magic.

http://www.mjmmagic.com/store/flipped-marked-mirrored-p-4701.html

Wow, hope this isn't too much information! LOL!

Doug
Message: Posted by: motown (Sep 1, 2010 04:55PM)
As far as gaffed packet tricks, I've always liked
Gypsy Curse by Peter Kane and Bruce Cervon's Dirty Deal
have always been favorites of mine.

There's so many good ones already mentioned.
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Sep 1, 2010 08:13PM)
I'm a coin guy so what do I know, right?...:D

For me it's all about simplicity. I don't mind a move or two but all that turning cards over and around, etc. I think confuses the heck out of people more than anything else, IMHO. :)

I agree with Vlad that to say what's best is Hatfields-McCoys stuff. Favorites is probably the best you can do in all this. With that, I would have to say my favorites are those effects I keep going back to for some reason. I have tried a lot of packet tricks in my life but it's hard to beat tricks like NFW, B'wave and Doc Daley Last Trick for the simplicity and sheer amazement. :) They are all easy to do (and are made better with good practice) but absolutely kill. All show 4 cards and if you can't handle 4 cards then you should be doing coins or something. :D

[b]-NFW is just amazing when done well...4 jokers - 4 backs - 4 aces. Just beautiful!

-B'wave is all presentation that leave spec's minds absolutely stunned.

-Doc Daley's LT, done with 4 regular cards, simplistically baffling & elegant.[/b]

All 3 have enough little moves to them that make a decent-enough coin guy like myself look like a pretty good card guy too. Who knew? :D

Honestly, there are hundreds of really good packet tricks. Another good question is which one is the most popular. I would guess that would be the one that the most people have brought and that might not be any of the ones mentioned so far in this string except maybe NFW. Think most card guys might have that or had it by now. But do you think it has sold more than the old Wild Card? Most everybody bought that one as a kid from their local magic shop and they're still buying it today. :)
Message: Posted by: Vlad_77 (Sep 1, 2010 08:50PM)
Hey Mb217!

You guys in the coin section have been cool enough to put up with my idiocy, and I sense you know a hell of a lot more about cards than you are revealing ;)

I cannot say with any authority whether or not Wild Card is the most popular seller, but, having been a demonstrator in a number of brick and mortar shops, Color Monte seemed to be the "hot" packet effect. I had mentioned in this thread that Color Monte was a must learn in all three shops. I think I burned out on that effect after having to demonstrate it every day, six days a week, but, it IS still fun to do even impromptu.

Wild Card has come a long way as I am sure you know. The original lacked any sort of punch but, magicians have been addressing that and very well! For a brief time, Bannon's Call of the Wild was a VERY hot seller, even though the skill set compared to the regular Wild Card is a tad more advanced. Of course, the wild card plot has translated as I know you DO know to coins VERY beautifully.

I do agree with you 1000% on NFW, and what a lead in to MANY four ace effects, plus, without exposing anything, the "leftover" of NFW gives the worker another powerful weapon always at the ready.

There is one packet trick that I think magicians have had a love/hate affair with, and that is Oil and Water. I think it is a beautiful effect, and routines from Anthony Owen, Rene Lavand, Aldo Colombini, Roy Walton, Simon Lovell, Eddy Taytelbaum (thanks to Tim Feher for pointing this out to me! The handling was in a book that I hadn't realized contained ANY card magic), and so many others have brought this effect more to the fore and out of the realm of a "magician's" effect. In fact, I DO believe I have seen Oil and Water done with coins!! :)

Namaste,
Vlad
Message: Posted by: sohaib (Sep 1, 2010 09:59PM)
[quote]
On 2010-09-01 21:13, Mb217 wrote:
I'm a coin guy so what do I know, right?...:D

For me it's all about simplicity. I don't mind a move or two but all that turning cards over and around, etc. I think confuses the heck out of people more than anything else, IMHO. :)

I agree with Vlad that to say what's best is Hatfields-McCoys stuff. Favorites is probably the best you can do in all this. With that, I would have to say my favorites are those effects I keep going back to for some reason. I have tried a lot of packet tricks in my life but it's hard to beat tricks like NFW, B'wave and Doc Daley Last Trick for the simplicity and sheer amazement. :) They are all easy to do (and are made better with good practice) but absolutely kill. All show 4 cards and if you can't handle 4 cards then you should be doing coins or something. :D

[b]-NFW is just amazing when done well...4 jokers - 4 backs - 4 aces. Just beautiful!

-B'wave is all presentation that leave spec's minds absolutely stunned.

-Doc Daley's LT, done with 4 regular cards, simplistically baffling & elegant.[/b]

All 3 have enough little moves to them that make a decent-enough coin guy like myself look like a pretty good card guy too. Who knew? :D

Honestly, there are hundreds of really good packet tricks. Another good question is which one is the most popular. I would guess that would be the one that the most people have brought and that might not be any of the ones mentioned so far in this string except maybe NFW. Think most card guys might have that or had it by now. But do you think it has sold more than the old Wild Card? Most everybody bought that one as a kid from their local magic shop and they're still buying it today. :)
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Dr. Daley's Last Trick is usually the first trick I do when asked to do magic. In my opinion, it's the best/top packet trick done with regular cards! If it's not the first one I go to, then I'll do Spectator Cuts the Aces - Bannon's Final Verdict - then go to it, and then I'll continue with Twisting the Aces and Phil Goldstein's Overture.
Message: Posted by: Simon Lovell (Sep 2, 2010 12:15AM)
Just to note - the biggest selling packet trick of all time, by a huge margin, is Color Monte. From its release way back by Emmerson and West to the present day it pretty much out-sells all the other packet tricks put together. I certainly wish I'd designed and held rights to it!

Just some info from the inside.

All the best to all,

Simon
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Sep 2, 2010 08:22AM)
OK, so Color Monte seems to be the most popular standing the test of time as per the real experiences of Vlad and Simon. Out-selling all the others combined is quite impressive. Funny, I had that trick I remember and never did it much, was never one of my favorites and couldn't possibly be the best, could it? :)

So Simon, from the inside, just what is the best packet trick of all time? We should be able to get an absolute answer from "the inside," shouldn't we...Heck, we just got one. :D

If that's just too top secret to let out for you, then what are your 3 favorites and why? :)
Message: Posted by: Paul (Sep 2, 2010 10:31AM)
Color Monte may not be the best packet trick of all time, but as discussed in "Small But Deadly" (my first book on packet tricks) is is without doubt the best seller. And just as Simon Says, it would be nice to have had a hand in it. Or a penny for every one sold :)

"Best" is really difficult to determine. From whose point of view? And what may be best for some performing conditions may be not so good for others. Packet tricks with a nice table layout like Dazzle, Printing, etc. are great tricks if sat at a table but useless to a pro. strolling close up worker.

To me, considerations for 'best' would have to be a)audience reaction (whether the performer loves it or not is just a bonus b)quick reset c)performable under any conditions.

Others might have different considerations, some get hung up on everything being examinable for instance.

Truth is, hundreds of packet tricks get absolutely great reactions because usually there is a lot of magic going on. So choosing the best is perhaps impossible. Besides, anything released in the past decade has hardly had the chance to show any staying power compared to some of the classic packet effects so anything in just the past year or so could hardly be in the running.

Determining the best, is I think an impossibility, since so many seem to be unaware of what has gone before. The best we can hope for is yet another list of personal favorites, which constantly changes as the mood strikes us since we really are spoilt for choice when it comes to good packet tricks.

Certainly, when I tried to determine the top ten packet tricks for fun, and include the results at the end of "Small But Deadly" in 2002, "Twisting The Aces" came out in first place with "Wild Card" coming in second, "Color Monte" and "B'wave" tied in third place. Wild Card may have been first had I listed it as "Wild Card and Variations" considering "Gypsy Curse" was in joint 4th place with "Twisted Sister".

Twisting The Aces of course is performable under every close up performing situation, angle proof, instantly reset and gets a great reaction when performed well. But if you don't 'get it' and some don't, including some well known names, then you're just not going to be able to sell it to lay people as the impossibility it is. Yes there are some stronger versions of the effect out there now (I include my own "Twist in A Glass" amongst them) but often they may not meet the performing conditions of early versions or include extra kickers etc. which have usually been the result of weaker initial handling (implicit rather than explicit approach, extra cards etc.)

Those with a real interest in packet effects ahould check out "Small But Deadly" and the follow up "Still Small, Still Deadly."

Apart from good tricks for you to do, plots are discussed, you are referred to other good effects, occasionally given lines for them, routining tips etc.

Paul.
Message: Posted by: Simon Lovell (Sep 2, 2010 12:56PM)
I agree with Paul ... there is no best of anything, only best for whomever is performing it. It's not the trick, it's whether it suits the style of the performer, the tricks that are around it, the audience it is being performed to, and a myriad of other reasons.

I rarely do packet tricks at all with my personal favorite being Twisting the Aces. It suits me and my love for simple, direct, easy to understand by the audience, magic!

As an aside for Paul, according to the manufacturers of the cards (certainly up to around 2002) Gypsy Curse, from order receipts, was the third biggest seller with Wild Card coming in second. Gypsy Curse (Peter Kane) is, I believe, different enough from Wild Card (though similar in effect kinda) to rate as a different effect.

Just my ten cents worth,

Simon

Posted: Sep 2, 2010 1:59pm
Oh, and as an aside, just to be obtuse, isn't any card trick, by definition, a packet trick? It's just that some use bigger packets than others!

Just a thought!

Simon
Message: Posted by: motown (Sep 2, 2010 01:17PM)
I would agree that Gypsy Curse and Wild Card (both by Peter Kane) would look like two different effects to a spectator.
Message: Posted by: MerlH (Sep 2, 2010 01:43PM)
I do demo in a magic shop in Myrtle Beach. After the standard pitch items, Svengali, Nickles to Dimes, and Slush Powder, Color Monti KILLS everyone. Anyone new to magic and is interested in a "Professional" trick, Color Monti is the step up trick.

If you haven't done it for a while, get it out and slay your audience. Three cards, and EVERYTHING can be examined.

Merl
Message: Posted by: Simon Lovell (Sep 2, 2010 02:33PM)
MerlH,

Yep Peter Kanes Follow the Ace (or something like that) first published in Hugards Magic Monthly was the precursor to the effect we know as Wild Card today. Frank Garcia is credited with giving it the effect that we see today; that of all the cards turning to match an odd one. It was realeased, without his permission, under the title Frank Garcia's Wild Card (he didn't make a penny off it btw) by a large NYC magic dealer (no points for a correct guess); hence much of the confusion over the origins of the effect today!

Just thought you'd like to know!

Simon
Message: Posted by: sohaib (Sep 2, 2010 03:23PM)
[quote]
On 2010-09-02 11:31, Paul wrote:
Color Monte may not be the best packet trick of all time, but as discussed in "Small But Deadly" (my first book on packet tricks) is is without doubt the best seller. And just as Simon Says, it would be nice to have had a hand in it. Or a penny for every one sold :)

"Best" is really difficult to determine. From whose point of view? And what may be best for some performing conditions may be not so good for others. Packet tricks with a nice table layout like Dazzle, Printing, etc. are great tricks if sat at a table but useless to a pro. strolling close up worker.

To me, considerations for 'best' would have to be a)audience reaction (whether the performer loves it or not is just a bonus b)quick reset c)performable under any conditions.

Others might have different considerations, some get hung up on everything being examinable for instance.

Truth is, hundreds of packet tricks get absolutely great reactions because usually there is a lot of magic going on. So choosing the best is perhaps impossible. Besides, anything released in the past decade has hardly had the chance to show any staying power compared to some of the classic packet effects so anything in just the past year or so could hardly be in the running.

Determining the best, is I think an impossibility, since so many seem to be unaware of what has gone before. The best we can hope for is yet another list of personal favorites, which constantly changes as the mood strikes us since we really are spoilt for choice when it comes to good packet tricks.

Certainly, when I tried to determine the top ten packet tricks for fun, and include the results at the end of "Small But Deadly" in 2002, "Twisting The Aces" came out in first place with "Wild Card" coming in second, "Color Monte" and "B'wave" tied in third place. Wild Card may have been first had I listed it as "Wild Card and Variations" considering "Gypsy Curse" was in joint 4th place with "Twisted Sister".

Twisting The Aces of course is performable under every close up performing situation, angle proof, instantly reset and gets a great reaction when performed well. But if you don't 'get it' and some don't, including some well known names, then you're just not going to be able to sell it to lay people as the impossibility it is. Yes there are some stronger versions of the effect out there now (I include my own "Twist in A Glass" amongst them) but often they may not meet the performing conditions of early versions or include extra kickers etc. which have usually been the result of weaker initial handling (implicit rather than explicit approach, extra cards etc.)

Those with a real interest in packet effects ahould check out "Small But Deadly" and the follow up "Still Small, Still Deadly."

Apart from good tricks for you to do, plots are discussed, you are referred to other good effects, occasionally given lines for them, routining tips etc.

Paul.
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Very good post Paul! I have Small and Deadly and I've thoroughly enjoyed reading it. Now I have to pick up the new book!
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Sep 2, 2010 04:15PM)
Hey Simon, as an aside...Are you obtuse?

Just kidding man...just had to run that old Shawshank Redemption line here. :D Hope you saw the movie. :)

Seriously, I enjoy your posts and your magic. :)

-Mb
Message: Posted by: AaronishMagic (Sep 2, 2010 04:54PM)
Twisted SIster is great!
Message: Posted by: Paul (Sep 2, 2010 05:07PM)
[quote]
On 2010-09-02 13:59, Simon Lovell wrote:
Oh, and as an aside, just to be obtuse, isn't any card trick, by definition, a packet trick? It's just that some use bigger packets than others!

Just a thought!

Simon
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:) :) :) This is something I discuss in the introduction to "Still Small, Still Deadly". But as I said in my first packet trick book, a good trick is a good trick no matter how many cards are being used.

People that dismiss packet tricks are often using the odd packet tricks themselves but failing to recognise the fact, because there are differing views of what a packet trick consists of. Does the professional care how many cards he's using if the effect gets a great reaction? No.

Paul.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Sep 2, 2010 05:35PM)
I've got hundreds of packet tricks..and to put one above the others and say it's the greatest of all time is a f=difficult thing. But I can name some of my personal favorites (Currently!)

Ten by Richard Sanders, NFW, Gordan Beans Entourage, Jay sankey's Dreamscape, Close up Illusion....
Message: Posted by: Simon Lovell (Sep 2, 2010 06:00PM)
Lucky you on the quote Mb217 ... it's one of my favorite movies!

Simon
Message: Posted by: Chris Cain (Sep 3, 2010 04:06PM)
I must admit that I haven't seen half of the packet tricks already mentioned. Of the ones I have seen, Tommy Wonder's Tamed Cards stands out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5kxUuO5JZo

Great presentation, well thought out and entertaining to watch.
Message: Posted by: DelMagic (Sep 3, 2010 11:42PM)
This one amazed me when I first saw it. I was fortunate enought to watch Arthur Emerson do it. He was a great demonstrator in my opinion. After I bought one, it then amazed me for a long time afterward every time I did it. It was a lot of fun to show to others and always got a good reaction. Plus you ended clean! This was the well-known effect Sympathetic Cards by Magic Ronnay put out by Emerson and West. I only wish they had used a better card stock. I still have my original set. The different colored backs at the end were so surprising!
Message: Posted by: Paul (Sep 4, 2010 09:24AM)
[quote]
On 2010-09-04 00:42, DelMagic wrote:
This one amazed me when I first saw it. I was fortunate enought to watch Arthur Emerson do it. He was a great demonstrator in my opinion. After I bought one, it then amazed me for a long time afterward every time I did it. It was a lot of fun to show to others and always got a good reaction. Plus you ended clean! This was the well-known effect Sympathetic Cards by Magic Ronnay put out by Emerson and West. I only wish they had used a better card stock. I still have my original set. The different colored backs at the end were so surprising!
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The latest variation, and improvememt on that, is John Bannon's "Royal Scam", which will also give you the better cards you always wished for.. :)

Paul.
Message: Posted by: motown (Sep 4, 2010 10:05AM)
Jim Swain's Capitulating Cards is terrific.

Ghost Flight by Peter Duffie

Goldman's Monkey in the Middle
Message: Posted by: truesoldier (Sep 4, 2010 11:02AM)
[quote]
On 2010-09-03 17:06, Chris Cain wrote:
I must admit that I haven't seen half of the packet tricks already mentioned. Of the ones I have seen, Tommy Wonder's Tamed Cards stands out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5kxUuO5JZo

Great presentation, well thought out and entertaining to watch.
[/quote]

This is a great presentation of the Wild Card Routine
Message: Posted by: DelMagic (Sep 4, 2010 06:18PM)
[quote]
On 2010-09-04 10:24, Paul wrote:
The latest variation, and improvememt on that, is John Bannon's "Royal Scam", which will also give you the better cards you always wished for.. :)
Paul.
[/quote]

Thank you. I am not familiar with that effect but I will look into it.
Message: Posted by: The Baldini (Sep 5, 2010 10:10AM)
I like "A Night out with the girls" and "What Your Future Holds, these do not use playing cards, so right there , to layman it is not a card trick, and each one is geared direct to a male or female, if you’re not familiar, Girls night is where you show several pictures of beautiful woman, mix them and the spec chooses anyone, you place his choice face down for now, show all the babes again and I say, you could have had anyone of them, let’s see who you chose, and it's an old ugly hag. And for the "What your Future Holds" this is for woman and you show all the cards with things that may happen in the future, by choosing one, this is what will come true, all the future predictions are different, and when she picks one, it reads," You will make love to a clown" and when she looks up, you are wearing a red sponge nose, I have made up a set to read, " There is no time for Clowning Around" I found some married men and jealous boyfriends did not appreciate the first one, Both are extremely easy and a lot of fun.
I also have and use, the smaller cardiographic, I have a thermometer on my business card, I have it signed then I have a woman put her hands together above the cards and rub, when nothing happens, I ask that she move her hands below the cards as everyone knows heat rises, I say , keep rubbing and watch the thermometer, I don’t say watch the cards, and you can see the temp rise, then I hand her the card to keep.
For those who read all this and got this far, here is a fun one you can make in one minute and use it in two minutes, This is not my idea and I am sorry I do not remember where I got it from. I have another stack of business cards set up in the OTL, I draw a simple oval shape balloon and I ask , has anyone ever seen those guys who can whip a real balloon in to any shape or animal, and someone always says yes, so I ask , I would like to make a balloon animal, watch this, I remove the signed card , pocket the other stack of cards and make a lot of swishing sounds and move my hands around the card as if twisting it, then turn it around to show a drawing of a balloon dog.
Message: Posted by: Simon Lovell (Sep 5, 2010 10:28AM)
Dave,

Oddly enough I often use Rich Marotta's What Your Future Holds but always do it on the biggest guy in the audience. I found that doing it that way is much funnier and takes any possible embarassment/pressure off the ladies in an audience.

Rich nearly died laughing when we were working together once and I borrowed his pre-release version of the effect to do on the NYC Chief of Police in front of many of his top ranking officers. He said when I started that he didn't know whether to call me a lawyer or an ambulance but it turned out great.

He also filmed me doing it on a guy at my Strange and Unusual Hobbies show (still running and soon to enter its 7th year!) and put it up as an ad for the effect on one of the internet sites (Youtube or something like that)if you want to see my routine with it. Don't ask me for the link ... I don't know it!

It is a great trick with tons of fun and a nice unexpected surprise at the end.

Just my ten cents as per usual!

Simon
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Sep 22, 2010 03:28PM)
For me the best packet trick using four cards is Jon Allen's Double back.
This statement is not quite true but the effect is very powerful it happens in specs hands.
vinny
Message: Posted by: blu tiger (Oct 1, 2010 09:33AM)
[quote]
On 2010-08-30 23:10, sohaib wrote:
The reason I want to start this thread is I saw Alex Elmsley's Dazzle last night on The Tahoe Sessions and I was blown away! [/quote]

Does that trick use the Dazzle Count? I learned it recently but only know one trick where I use it: Johhny Thompson's version of the Biddle Trick.

But my favortie packet trick right now is probably Gemini Twins. Or a version I do of J.C. Wagners Twisted Underground Transposition.
Message: Posted by: Roger Kelly (Oct 3, 2010 09:25AM)
Not sure about 'best' (for similar reasons well articulated above) but 'FAVE' for me, and I'll go along with Pepka's great 'categorisation';

Cat 1: French Twist - Richard Vollmer
Cat 2: Twisted Sisters - John Bannon - just edges out Trik Kards by Nick Trost
Message: Posted by: kerpa (Oct 15, 2010 01:42PM)
I like Backflip, by Sam Schwartz.
Message: Posted by: Dougini (Oct 15, 2010 02:13PM)
Ya know members, this question really has me thinking...what criteria qualifies a packet trick to be "the best"? I was up a good portion of the night, trying to think of a fair answer to a question. A simple question asked by Sallymagi, in The Feminine Mystique section: "How would a girl become the best?"

And the answer I came up with is: "...practice, and strive to be the BEST you can BE!"

The answer to, What is "Best Packet Trick Of All Time"? I would say, the one YOU do BEST! There is no "All Time". New ones are constantly being created. and, the variations, combinations, gaffs etc.. Plus, the number of successful ones, NFW, Color Monte, Twisted Sisters, BackFlip. Oh, and the book, "Focus"! How can we judge which is "best"? Owww, my brain hurts. 'Nuff said... :)

Doug
Message: Posted by: Mr. Mystoffelees (Oct 15, 2010 04:54PM)
My fav is Darwin O's Jumping Gemini, followed by the Asher twist...
Message: Posted by: 55john55 (Oct 16, 2010 08:02AM)
This may belong in another forum but will include it here because it came up in one of the posts here. The word "best" by definition means there can be only one. However, I suggest that there are two meanings of the word best. So, I'll tell a short story. When I was young I wondered who the best baseball player was. When I grew up I had Willie Mays, Mickey Mantle, and Hank Aaron among others to choose from and found it impossible to decide. Eventually I decided there was another definition to "best". It means that in any area there are a few who stand out so far above the rest that we call them "the best", and although there are very few, there are, in fact, more than one. Galileo, Newton, Einstein, were the all the best in the the area of science. Mozart, and Michael Jordon were the best in their respective areas even though there are a few others who were also "the best" in the same areas.
So twisted sisters can be the "best" , but so can a number of others. They stand head and shoulders above the rest.
Message: Posted by: Mr. Mystoffelees (Oct 16, 2010 09:30PM)
No disagreement that sometimes "best" is plural, like "what are the best restaurants in Chicago". But, the OP was clear in asking what you thought was THE best...
Message: Posted by: marlyd (Oct 17, 2010 04:53AM)
Hi all,

What about Marked for Life by John Cornelius I have a feeling it's going to be a classic.
Message: Posted by: Jon Allen (Dec 4, 2010 08:23AM)
Here's a quote from Dean Dill:

"Double Back is my favorite packet trick of all time"

You can check it out for yourself here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUn7PPBb0tE
Message: Posted by: afinemesh (Dec 8, 2010 10:21PM)
Hey guys,

What about Daryl's "Cardboard Chameleons"? I've been doing this one for about fifteen years.

Never fails to charm the leity.

Jorey
Message: Posted by: panlives (Dec 9, 2010 07:52AM)
My current favourite is “Twilight Angels.”

B’Wave, as mentioned, kills.
Message: Posted by: zipper (Dec 9, 2010 12:24PM)
This is an interesting thread, and I find all the comments both enjoyable and valuable. I am not familiar with the all the packet tricks out and about, nor am I even familiar with all the packet tricks referred to on this post. Two of the aformentioned tricks, however, are go-to tricks for me, the wild card and dirty deal. I am familiar with the effects of many of the packet tricks mentioned although I don't do them myself (e.g., B'wave; Twilight Angels; Double Back). I have trouble convincing myself that any packet tricks are on par with Dirty Deal or Wild Card. Packet tricks where, for example, cards switch places, or those in which a mentally chosen card is magically produced, are less baffling than amusing. What makes wild card so impressive and convincing, despite the fact that it can be monotonous, is that the cards are seemingly shown in a fair and open way and they are then all changed to cards of a different suit and value. Watch the reaction of Wonder's audience to his wild card, certainly not as technically challening as Vallarino's, and you will see the jaws drop. I can't imagine receiving the same reaction from other packet tricks on the market (e.g., color monte, B'wave, NFW, double back). The attraction of dirty deal, to me, is even greater than wild card. Dirty Deal has a nice patter (about being a gambling man), shows several mini-climaxes (cards change color several times), and then, when the trick seems to be over, it has a major climax, one that is dramatic and inexplicable. None of the other packet tricks that I have done over the years even come close. My two cents worth.

Zipper

P.S. I do have one other packet trick that I bought from a Cincinnati dealer long ago for $1.00 (marked down from $3.00). It's name was something circus cards. Performer has ace through 4 and magically reverses each card one at a time (along the lines of each card doing a circus trick, comparable to rotating the aces). The final climax comes when all four cards change to being different colors (e.g., 4 is red, 3 is yellow, etc.). It got incredible reactions for the reasons mentioned: It has a nice story, several mini-climaxes, and one major climax, making the trick dramatic and totally inexplicable, which makes it memorable to audiences. It was also fun to do.
Message: Posted by: panlives (Dec 9, 2010 01:56PM)
[quote]
On 2010-12-09 13:24, zipper wrote:
This is an interesting thread, and I find all the comments both enjoyable and valuable. I am not familiar with the all the packet tricks out and about, nor am I even familiar with all the packet tricks referred to on this post. Two of the aformentioned tricks, however, are go-to tricks for me, the wild card and dirty deal. I am familiar with the effects of many of the packet tricks mentioned although I don't do them myself (e.g., B'wave; Twilight Angels; Double Back). I have trouble convincing myself that any packet tricks are on par with Dirty Deal or Wild Card. Packet tricks where, for example, cards switch places, or those in which a mentally chosen card is magically produced, are less baffling than amusing. What makes wild card so impressive and convincing, despite the fact that it can be monotonous, is that the cards are seemingly shown in a fair and open way and they are then all changed to cards of a different suit and value. Watch the reaction of Wonder's audience to his wild card, certainly not as technically challening as Vallarino's, and you will see the jaws drop. I can't imagine receiving the same reaction from other packet tricks on the market (e.g., color monte, B'wave, NFW, double back). The attraction of dirty deal, to me, is even greater than wild card. Dirty Deal has a nice patter (about being a gambling man), shows several mini-climaxes (cards change color several times), and then, when the trick seems to be over, it has a major climax, one that is dramatic and inexplicable. None of the other packet tricks that I have done over the years even come close. My two cents worth.

Zipper

P.S. I do have one other packet trick that I bought from a Cincinnati dealer long ago for $1.00 (marked down from $3.00). It's name was something circus cards. Performer has ace through 4 and magically reverses each card one at a time (along the lines of each card doing a circus trick, comparable to rotating the aces). The final climax comes when all four cards change to being different colors (e.g., 4 is red, 3 is yellow, etc.). It got incredible reactions for the reasons mentioned: It has a nice story, several mini-climaxes, and one major climax, making the trick dramatic and totally inexplicable, which makes it memorable to audiences. It was also fun to do.
[/quote]

Tommy Wonder was great, but the audience reaction you are seeing is regrettably from a “canned” crowd.

That identical audience recurs in many videos made by the same manufacturer and they were/are either paid or otherwise encouraged to overreact.

Too bad, because Mr. Wonder was a genius who didn’t need pre-ordained reactions.
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Dec 9, 2010 02:00PM)
I use Jons double back with my business cards and I agree with dean .
I also said it was the best trick of the year when it first came out
vinny
Message: Posted by: zipper (Dec 9, 2010 02:28PM)
Panlives,

Wow, color me naive. Thanks for the heads-up on what the deal was with Wonder's audience. I expect this kind of stuff on the shopping channel but hoped magic was free from it. I guess not. As you said, it's a shame because it is unnecessary with this particular performer and trick.

Zipper
Message: Posted by: Magic Patrick (Dec 10, 2010 08:09AM)
NFW is my favorite packet trick, although I am relooking at my presto printo as of late.

Patrick
Message: Posted by: zipper (Dec 10, 2010 02:07PM)
Magic Folks,

Two things from me. First, I just checked, and the packet trick to which I referred in my earlier post is named Pasteboard Circus by Master Magic. It was a pleasant surprise and a great packet trick due to its patter line, method of operation, and dramatic effect at least to lay audiences). Also, it was hard to beat the price. Second, I've been working with NFW (principally due to the rave reviews some of you have given it), and I just don't get all the accolades. Practically everything about it strikes me as clumsy (though I am willing to admit that I may be the one at fault and not the trick). It is not the overall effect that bothers me: The manipulation of 4 cards with their eventual transformation into something else is both common and impressive. It is how the effect is achieved with this set of cards. I don't see how you can hide the gimmick on a face-up card(if it can be called that), keeping it in plain sight, as you are instructed to do in the directions. The count in which you are supposed to show four jokers individually also seems ill-advised. What spectator other than the visually challenged is going to believe that one card has been kicked into the hand when it's really four?. I guess if you have spectators who are willing to believe that four jokers have been counted instead of two, they will also believe that four jokers have changed into four aces. I'm sure that NFW works for those of you who use it, but I can't imagine that it would be selected as the "best" with all the problems that I have found with it (or better than all the other packet tricks that are availabel to us). If you want to show audiences that you have the ability to change cards magically, why not do the mental photography deck and show them that you can print and unprint an entire deck in a heartbeat? (I'm not even going to comment on the requirement in NFW of counting smoothly and convincingly when the "gimmick" can easily do something with an adjacent card that it is not supposed to do, ruining the illusion from the get-go.)

Maybe instead of voting on the "best" packet trick, we should try to reach some agreement on what makes a packet trick (or any other trick) good or bad (or at least why experienced magicians would disagree so much on which ones to define as best or worst).

Zipper
Message: Posted by: Magic Patrick (Dec 10, 2010 02:18PM)
Zipper,

Great points. However, I have no problems with NFW as you stated in your last comment. I will explain. Instead of the Gimmick, I use Zig 2 way glue and is is transparent to the spectators eyes. I sometimes have to touch it to make sure it is still on. I start off by saying that I have 4 Jokers. I don't say all face up. I just say 4 jokers. I then tell them before I do any counts that one is the leader and the others will follow. Then I do the count. The one face down I call attention to and say that it is the leader. I then do another count and there are 2 face down. I then tell them that one followed. Then I count them off to show 2 up and 2 down. I then take the bottom card and turn it over non magicaly activating the gimmick and then as I spread out the cards I explain that they all have turn upside down. I then tell them that they all left and now all I have is four 5's. I always get great reactions. It is a killer packet routine. I do like many others like color monty, stand up monty, visible monty, Wild cards, Duplicity and the list goes on but they all have their problems and limitations. It really comes down to personal preference on this one. Which is it that you prefer. That is the best to you.

Patrick
Message: Posted by: zipper (Dec 10, 2010 04:29PM)
Patrick,

Thanks for the information on NFW. I will get some Zig 2 and give the trick another chance, following your sage counsel. I may like it better without having to worry about the gimmick. I still can't imagine, however, that it will have the impact that Dirty Deal does.

Magical things,
Zipper
Message: Posted by: Erdnase27 (Dec 11, 2010 04:09AM)
Ambitious classic, Twisting the Aces and Daley's last trick are most used by me so they are "my best".
Message: Posted by: Magic Patrick (Dec 11, 2010 08:22AM)
Zipper,

You may be right. It all depends on the audience you are performing for. I remember I got a trick called in a flash and thought that it was the end all be all and performed it at a dinner party for older people and it flopped. Then recently I performed it at a movie theater and everyone liked it. There are so many awesome effects out there and one shouldn't be better than another but it is all about who is performing it and to whom they are performing it.

MichielTummers said it perfect above.

Good luck Zipper.

Patrick
Message: Posted by: Roger Kelly (Dec 11, 2010 08:41AM)
[quote]
On 2010-12-04 09:23, Jon Allen wrote:
Here's a quote from Dean Dill:

"Double Back is my favorite packet trick of all time"

You can check it out for yourself here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUn7PPBb0tE
[/quote]

Jon - was that you performing it? A spooky coincidence - but Claire (one of your spectators) is a colleague from my office. I could hardly believe it when I saw the clip!
Message: Posted by: panlives (Dec 12, 2010 12:08PM)
[quote]
On 2010-12-09 15:28, zipper wrote:
Panlives,

Wow, color me naive. Thanks for the heads-up on what the deal was with Wonder's audience. I expect this kind of stuff on the shopping channel but hoped magic was free from it. I guess not. As you said, it's a shame because it is unnecessary with this particular performer and trick.

Zipper
[/quote]

Hyperbole and Magic advertising...a long and sordid history that has stung many a newcomer and veteran alike.

Please do not feel naive. Deceptive marketing continues to get grift from even the most experienced Magis.
Message: Posted by: Jon Allen (Dec 12, 2010 01:08PM)
Hi Roger. Yes, that is me. Now I feel compelled to say that no stooges were used during the filming of this trailer :) She is also on the trailer for Flexion. Ask her if she still has the bent key.
Message: Posted by: voh002 (Dec 12, 2010 02:09PM)
Twisted Sisters - John Bannon
Message: Posted by: lokikross (Dec 13, 2010 10:37PM)
The only gimmicked packet trick I actually perform is "Bring me the head of a packet trick". I did replace the cards with white back revelation, and a different face switch-out.
For non-gimmicked I like to switch between Oil and Water, or Reswindled.
I do not know where to find it, but if I could, Juan Tamariz's "Four blue cards" would most likely be my choice.
Message: Posted by: martyjacobs (Dec 16, 2010 08:23AM)
Simon Lovell mentioned a video of him performing 'What Your Future Holds' ealier in this thread. I was curious so went looking for it. Here's the link for those interested:

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMIH90IGCqM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMIH90IGCqM[/url]

Simple, but very entertaining.

Marty
Message: Posted by: Roger Kelly (Dec 20, 2010 05:49AM)
[quote]
On 2010-12-12 14:08, Jon Allen wrote:
...She is also on the trailer for Flexion. Ask her if she still has the bent key.
[/quote]

She does indeed John and still talks about the experience! Alas, the effect and not your good self! ;)
Message: Posted by: murrari (Dec 21, 2010 07:03AM)
Randy Wakeman's 'Back To The Future' is a fantastic packet trick
Message: Posted by: Jon Allen (Dec 22, 2010 05:18AM)
[quote]
On 2010-12-20 06:49, Roger Kelly wrote:
[quote]
On 2010-12-12 14:08, Jon Allen wrote:
...She is also on the trailer for Flexion. Ask her if she still has the bent key.
[/quote]

She does indeed John and still talks about the experience! Alas, the effect and not your good self! ;)
[/quote]

Rohger, I'll take that! If they want that experience, they have to book me anyway :)

Back to packet tricks...
Message: Posted by: Mike Ince (Dec 23, 2010 11:09AM)
It's been said before in this thread, but "best" depends on what you like. There isn't one "best" effect for everyone. I think most of us understand that but I'm reiterating it.

Last night I tore the apartment apart looking for a "packet trick" (I don't like that term... sounds so trivial). I found it in my old magic briefcase. It's R. Paul Wilson's "Gypsy Monte 2003".

After 20 years as a hobbyist, I left magic for mentalism because I got bored, and I got tired of people watching an effect I'd spent hours perfecting only to tell me, "that's cute." While I perform with a funny, human tone, I also want moments of silent astonishment and emotional impact.

Maybe the reason the term "packet trick" bothers me so is that they ARE inherently trivial. But judge this clip for yourself and see why I like Gypsy Monte so much. It isn't for every venue, but I reserve it for appropriate occasions.("Gypsy Monte 2003 has a kicker ending you won't find on this earlier clip). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL7QR9Qtxt0

The trick comes with an extra advantage... no one asks afterwards, "Will you do my five year old's birthday party?"
Message: Posted by: Paul (Dec 23, 2010 12:15PM)
Pity on the same link page the effect is exposed, Mike.
Message: Posted by: Mike Ince (Dec 23, 2010 12:47PM)
As frustrating as that is, it doesn't matter. "Gypsy Monte 2003" has a stronger, unexposed ending that makes it worth purchasing.

I've posted a comment on the exposure video's page: "Why would you expose this? I've lost respect for you. May the ghost of Vernon return to give you a full handed slap and a wedgie.

What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly..."
Message: Posted by: martyjacobs (Dec 24, 2010 05:57AM)
Although 'Gypsy Monte 2003' one of the best published alternative handling for Color Monte, I found the instructions for the ending disappointing and very vague. I was expecting something better from Paul. I wouldn't buy the trick just to get the additional ending in retrospect.

The quality of the supplied cards is also very poor. Better to learn this one from his 'Knock 'em Dead' DVD (plus you get a load more magic for your money) and source some cards from elsewhere.

Marty
Message: Posted by: abrell (Dec 24, 2010 08:17AM)
Use the Gipsy Monte as delivered by Card-Shark. The quality is awesome, there are nine cards all changing and the routine from Pete Kane is superior.
Message: Posted by: Mike Ince (Dec 24, 2010 09:30AM)
[quote]
On 2010-12-24 09:17, abrell wrote:
Use the Gipsy Monte as delivered by Card-Shark. The quality is awesome, there are nine cards all changing and the routine from Pete Kane is superior.
[/quote]

The 9 card version is a completely different effect with the same name. Gypsy Monte (2003 or otherwise) uses three cards in play. Isn't the 9 card Peter Kane version basically Wild Card with antiqued cards? It's been a few years since I've handled it.
Message: Posted by: Paul (Dec 25, 2010 09:08AM)
The Kane routine was called "Gypsy Curse" not Gypsy Monte. It uses eight cards not nine and whilst the effect may be the same as 'wild card' with oversize old style cards, the handling is superior in that the backs and fronts of all cards are shown in a fan at the conclusion.
Message: Posted by: ropeadope (Dec 25, 2010 11:52AM)
Kane`s Gypsy Curse has always been my favorite followed by Done With Mirrors which easily follows into an explanation of how we do our tricks, but there is one little known & strange packet trick that baffels and stirs the conversation afterwards and that is The Case of the Missing Hat. Love it!

Have fun & MERRY CHRISTMAS!
John
Message: Posted by: Leo-Kim (Dec 26, 2010 09:44AM)
[quote]
On 2010-12-25 12:52, ropeadope wrote:
there is one little known & strange packet trick that baffels and stirs the conversation afterwards and that is The Case of the Missing Hat. Love it![/quote]

Would that be Paul Currys effect? It's in the book "Worlds and beyond" but my copy is on loan to a colleague so I can't check to be sure. Great effect anyway.

Mikael Johansson
sweden
Message: Posted by: ropeadope (Dec 27, 2010 12:11PM)
Yes it is Paul Curry`s effect. Have never had the book you mentioned, but sounds like the same one I learned, from another of his books; "Magicians Magic". Saved his best trick in the book for last except his original O.O.T.W.

Have fun,
John
Message: Posted by: MaxfieldsMagic (Dec 30, 2010 01:45AM)
NFW
Double Back
Twisted Sisters
Intuition and Out of the Blue (combo)
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Jan 6, 2011 01:38PM)
Max, those first 2 are without question great and I'd add in B'wave and then you'd have 3 real giants that are hard to beat.
Message: Posted by: Count Zapik (Jan 6, 2011 04:30PM)
I'm sure Double Back is good~ I don't do it, although I have seen it and can imagine how it works.
What does it have over say the two card monte effect- where two black aces change into two red queens as popularised by David Blaine on one of his specials a few years back?
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Jan 6, 2011 07:28PM)
Double Back is much better than the Blaine trick which is basically the old Dr. Daley Trick. Double Back is the Daley Trick on steroids because you can show the cards up to the last moment in your hands as the other cards before they magically change places.
Message: Posted by: Wes65 (Jan 6, 2011 11:07PM)
[quote]
On 2010-12-30 02:45, MaxfieldsMagic wrote:
NFW
Double Back
Twisted Sisters
Intuition and Out of the Blue (combo)
[/quote]
[quote]
On 2011-01-06 14:38, Mb217 wrote:
Max, those first 2 are without question great and I'd add in B'wave and then you'd have 3 real giants that are hard to beat.
[/quote]

Twisted Sisters and B'wave are both great but wouldn't you have to pick one or the other?
Message: Posted by: Count Zapik (Jan 7, 2011 09:55AM)
Thanks for the info Marion. In order to get the experience I may have to look into this further.
The cards in the two card monte effect change unexpectedly too to a lay person, gets a strong response- and there is absolutely no heat on the cards.
The monte effect, also in its favor, has the potential to change the cards back after the initial transposition very cleanly.
One could argue its not a packet trick though- in the true sense, since the effect is worked off the top of a hand held packet at least, or the full deck.
In any event I wouldn't suggest either as the best packet trick of all time.
What would I suggest as the best packet effect? I don't know there are lots of great ones. I couldn't choose one.. and so much depends on performing conditions.
Peter Kanes Gypsy Curse I reckon is pretty neglected these days. It can be worked as a quickie in competent hands and perhaps give NFW a run for its money- its a more complex effect though.
I leave out the the original patter which has dated the effect and streamline it into a simple find the card effect where they all change into the sought after card. Do it in 40 seconds, great visual candy!
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Jan 7, 2011 10:50AM)
Yes Wes, I agree that Twisted Sisters is also a great one but was just thinking that it's just an expanded presentation of B'wave really, but both are nice indeed. And you are right again as to picking just one. In doing that I would say that NFW is darn hard to beat and is probably the packet trick most often mentioned.

On a relative note, perhaps the most sold packet trick (which might speak to overall popularity as well) might be something like Wild Card or 2 Card Monte, etc. They've been out there a very long time but I think I remember someone mentioning once that it might be "Color Monte" as the most sold packet trick of all time by leaps and bounds. :)

And CountZ you are most welcome and would hope you would give Double Back a try as it is an amazing packet effect, definitely one of the very best IMHO. :)
Message: Posted by: Magiguy (Jan 7, 2011 01:23PM)
Here's an older thread that may be of interest...
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=154244&forum=201&start=210
Message: Posted by: Count Zapik (Jan 8, 2011 03:53AM)
Indeed Marion I will try Double Back, give it a road test, see how it handles for me.
You can never know how good an effect is until its been through your own hands and performed in front of an audience.
Hopefully it'll give me that 'rush' that you get when something new works better than you imagined.
I'll pick one up at the Blackpool Convention which is coming up.
Best wishes
Message: Posted by: joseph (Jan 9, 2011 05:05AM)
I predict you will like it.. :) ...
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Feb 14, 2011 04:05PM)
Got another one that's pretty near perfect in design and dynamic play, "Reflipped" by Yannick Chretien. Absolutely fabulous little trick.

Josh Jay's take on it is much cleaner IMHO and the effect is killer and quite visual. It's not hard to do and plays BIG. It has slowed my use of gaff packet effects to a minimum if that. And it's got a few neat moves to it that make you feel like you're making the magic happen. :)

I know I'm a bit late to the table on this one but I now carry this with me regularly and it kills. I get a kick out of just practicing it and running through the moves...That little drop/flip is killer! :D

It might not be the best of all time (And according to these guys here, what is?), but it's certainly a gem of an effect with regular cards...An absolute gem! :)
Message: Posted by: sohaib (Feb 14, 2011 05:30PM)
[quote]
On 2011-02-14 17:05, Mb217 wrote:
Got another one that's pretty near perfect in design and dynamic play, "Reflipped" by Yannick Chretien. Absolutely fabulous little trick.

Josh Jay's take on it is much cleaner IMHO and the effect is killer and quite visual. It's not hard to do and plays BIG. It has slowed my use of gaff packet effects to a minimum if that. And it's got a few neat moves to it that make you feel like you're making the magic happen. :)

I know I'm a bit late to the table on this one but I now carry this with me regularly and it kills. I get a kick out of just practicing it and running through the moves...That little drop/flip is killer! :D

It might not be the best of all time (And according to these guys here, what is?), but it's certainly a gem of an effect with regular cards...An absolute gem! :)
[/quote]

Just saw this - great effect! Thanks for sharing :).
Message: Posted by: sohaib (Feb 14, 2011 05:33PM)
Another one worth mentioning is Poor Man's Monte by Richard Vollmer - def. not the best but it's very, very good. And it's also easy to do! You can watch it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ8S3rBeAuw.
Message: Posted by: Dr. Magic (Feb 14, 2011 05:37PM)
John Cornelius's "Marked For Life" ( named by Lance Pierce ).

This STUNS an audience.
Message: Posted by: John Pilotzi (Feb 15, 2011 12:53AM)
Gotta say Paul Gordon's Corner Of Piccadilly is my favorite followed buy his KOT. WORKERS and STRONG. JP
Message: Posted by: silent shadow (Feb 15, 2011 12:14PM)
Twisted Sisters hits a punch IMHO one of the most simple (just 2 counts) effects to do.

Randy Wakeman's effect is spelt 'Backs To The Future' just incase someone wanted to search for it.

Ja
Message: Posted by: Kevinr (Mar 1, 2011 10:21PM)
Brought up already but "Color Monte" Sold millions of copies.... Pro's still use it.... no gaffed cards... Simple and great story!
Message: Posted by: R.E. Byrnes (Mar 2, 2011 10:00PM)
"It's been said before in this thread, but "best" depends on what you like. There isn't one "best" effect for everyone. I think most of us understand that but I'm reiterating it"

For something that probably isn't even true, this maxim certainly gets a lot of repetition.
Message: Posted by: PaulPacific (Mar 3, 2011 01:14AM)
About packet tricks, The Amazing Kreskin once said to me, "Don't anybody show me a card trick-especially if it comes in a little plastic wallet!"
Message: Posted by: Cameron Francis (Mar 3, 2011 08:22AM)
Interesting post in a section dedicated to packet tricks... Was there a point to that?

Anyway, Roy Walton's "Kaleidoscope" has lived in my wallet for a couple of years now. Only four cards, great magic and totally examinable. Now it's been replaced by my own effect "Daley Dose".

I love packet tricks. I think doing loads of magic with just a few cards is one of the most magical things you can do. Even a lay person realizes, with just a small packet of cards, you've got nowhere to hide. You can't switch cards in and out of a deck (Well, you can at the beginning of the effect or maybe even the end but the key is to structure it so they think you can't). Good magic with a small amount of cards can seem more impossible.
Message: Posted by: PaulPacific (Mar 3, 2011 10:24AM)
I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here but perhaps Kreskin's point was the following:

Doing a packet effect like McDonald's Aces, for example, makes sense in the fact that you can remove the necessary cards from a deck right in front of your bated audience. It looks natural to remove the needed cards from a deck do to a trick which requires them.

On the other hand, if you pull a "little plastic wallet" out of a pocket which conveniently holds a packet of cards for a trick, it looks "odd" and perhaps raises the level of suspicion in an audiences mind. "Why is he using THOSE cards rather than cards from a deck?"

...or maybe Kreskin simply didn't want to see a card trick-period.
Message: Posted by: CardMaker (Mar 3, 2011 01:16PM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-03 11:24, PaulPacific wrote:
...On the other hand, if you pull a "little plastic wallet" out of a pocket which conveniently holds a packet of cards for a trick, it looks "odd" and perhaps raises the level of suspicion in an audiences mind. "Why is he using THOSE cards rather than cards from a deck?"...[/quote]

Because I keep ODD cards in that wallet - my favorite cards: Aces and Jokers!
No questions, ever!
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Mar 3, 2011 02:18PM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-03 11:24, PaulPacific wrote:
I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here but perhaps Kreskin's point was the following:

Doing a packet effect like McDonald's Aces, for example, makes sense in the fact that you can remove the necessary cards from a deck right in front of your bated audience. It looks natural to remove the needed cards from a deck do to a trick which requires them.

On the other hand, if you pull a "little plastic wallet" out of a pocket which conveniently holds a packet of cards for a trick, it looks "odd" and perhaps raises the level of suspicion in an audiences mind. "Why is he using THOSE cards rather than cards from a deck?"
[/quote]
Wonderful quote, total agreement from my side. This is why I dislike most packet tricks. But there are some I do and could do provided I can take out the necessary cards from a deck. Only exception (so far) for me: Duvivier's Printing if you are a funny performer like him. Jan
Message: Posted by: sohaib (Mar 3, 2011 08:34PM)
You can do what Brother John Hamman did and set up a bunch of packet tricks as your deck - now all the necessary cards come from the deck.
Message: Posted by: Merc Man (Mar 4, 2011 05:40AM)
Best packet trick - well the term 'best' is subjective.

However, 'Favourite' packet trick(s) - in no particular order:

Hans Trixer - Wild Man Wild (with the Fred Kaps handling)
Mo Howarth - Chinese Poker (the ONLY packet trick I've ever known that can also be performed on a stage!)
Eddie Victor - E - Y - E
Alex Elmsley - 4 Card Trick
Ken Brooke - The Dutch Looper
Joe Riding - Guinness/Castella
Joe Riding - The Girl Trick

Most ''disliked' packet trick - Jim Temple's 3 Card Monte (plus any that are aimed at an adult audience but have characatures of dragons, rabbits, or blue fluffy clouds etc!).
Message: Posted by: jeannot57 (Mar 4, 2011 09:12AM)
My favourites card tricks are :

- "not blind nor stupid" Tamariz
- "Out of this world" version from Helder Guimaraes !
- "Tempete sous un crâne" (=brainstorm ?) from Duvivier
- the Triumph from Derek Dingle (I don't know the real name of the trick)

A card trick without a good presentation is not a good card trick ! ;)
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Mar 4, 2011 09:29AM)
...which are not packet tricks :) Jan
Message: Posted by: Roger Kelly (Mar 4, 2011 11:24AM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-04 10:29, JanForster wrote:
...which are not packet tricks :) Jan
[/quote]

Only his/her 6th post Jan. Can be a confusing place the Café. ;)

I've changed my mind now and Twisted Sisters has been removed from my set list. Oddly enough for the very reasons some have made recently. The removal of [i]some cards[/i] from a [i]neat looking wallet....

("Why didn't he use the cards from the deck he's been using...")[/i]

And, I can't use the excuse here that one set are a different coloured back - as I'm generally running with two decks of similar!

French Twists remains a firm fave as a packet trick from an in-use deck whilst the [i]neat looking wallet[/i] now houses [i]five blanks[/i] for Dave Campell's Beyond Belief - a lovely piece of visual magic and a good reason to bring out said wallet late on.

But, my [b]most used[/b] packet effect is Eight Card Brainwave which is permanently in my normal wallet (Pimpernel) for that [i]moment's notice[/i] kinda thing, and where, maybe, there's no deck of cards in sight!
Message: Posted by: edh (Mar 4, 2011 09:07PM)
I enjoy QOOC.
Message: Posted by: Cameron Francis (Mar 4, 2011 11:22PM)
I never understand the problem magicians have with pulling certain cards out of a wallet or envelope.

You can easily justify removing cards from a wallet if the cards are special in some way. For example, if you remove four Jokers from a wallet, well, it makes sense. Most decks don't come with four Jokers in them.

If you are working from a red deck and pull four Kings from a wallet. Makes sense. You don't have a blue deck.

If you pull blank cards out of a wallet. Makes sense. No blank cards in a deck.

Many was to justify pulling out cards from a different place. Most of the packet tricks I've created have built-in justification for pulling the cards out of a wallet.

Re: Twisted Sisters, the trick uses four red cards and four blue cards. You can certainly imply that it's just easier to carry the cards separately rather than carrying two full decks at all times.
Message: Posted by: Roger Kelly (Mar 8, 2011 03:43AM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-05 00:22, Cameron Francis wrote:
I never understand the problem magicians have with pulling certain cards out of a wallet or envelope.

You can easily justify removing cards from a wallet if the cards are special in some way. For example, if you remove four Jokers from a wallet, well, it makes sense. Most decks don't come with four Jokers in them.

If you are working from a red deck and pull four Kings from a wallet. Makes sense. You don't have a blue deck.

If you pull blank cards out of a wallet. Makes sense. No blank cards in a deck.

Many was to justify pulling out cards from a different place. Most of the packet tricks I've created have built-in justification for pulling the cards out of a wallet.

Re: Twisted Sisters, the trick uses four red cards and four blue cards. You can certainly imply that it's just easier to carry the cards separately rather than carrying two full decks at all times.
[/quote]

I'm with you Cameron. It's a difficult one to explain but I'll have a go.

I'm in complete agreement that removing cards from a wallet, makes perfect sense for cards which wouldn't normally be contained in a deck. (I sometimes use a mini-Himber for Dave Campbell's [b]Beyond Belief[/b] but more often than not, a mere pay-envelope.) As an example, [b]Queens Out of Control[/b] fits perfectly here as a [i]"Collection of my favourite cards"[/i] or whatever.

However, for something like [b]Ultimate Three Card Monte[/b], or, off the top of my head, [b]Double Back[/b], I just think it begs a question to be asked if you take three or four cards from a wallet WHEN there is, or has been, or about to be, a reg deck in use - where these particular cards could have logically come from - (from a spectator's perspective of course.)

The point I was trying to make about me dropping [b]Twisted Sisters[/b] from my card routine is:

A) I use two, none-gaffed, red and blue backed decks - as my (sometimes) opener needs two decks. I then flit between the two, so both decks have been seen and accepted for a while. So, to me, it just seems a bit odd to, then, remove four cards each from another source - of those very same coloured backs - after, before, or whilst, those very decks were/are in use. Especially, if you are announcing that, "I've taken these queens from two decks of cards...." [i](or whatever words to similar effect - I'm sure you get my point.)[/i]

B) Another (none-normal card) walleted/enveloped effect has, or is about to be deployed! (Beyond Belief.)

However, if no deck of cards is part of a routine (heaven forbid!) then I guess ANY walleted packet trick will make sense. (I use [b]8 Card Brainwave[/b] in such circumstances and they're in my normal, everyday, regular, non-plastic, non-magic wallet. :) )

Aaaaah - I need a lie down now. (Don't get me started on [b]Colour Monte[/b], which I detest (and yet it seems to be the most popular!) and utilises [b]THAT move[/b] which, to me tells the World, "Look everybody, I'm up to something...")

The great packet trick debate lives on. They're great and they're here to stay. I just wish folk would think about their routines and use them appropriately and sparingly.
Message: Posted by: alibaba (Mar 8, 2011 11:26PM)
Has no one mentioned Ultimate Carte Folles by JP Vallarino? I've been working on this incredibly beautiful routine for a month now and it's a joy, a wonderful routine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BjK_n7UHwE
Message: Posted by: Count Zapik (Mar 9, 2011 03:39AM)
For my sins I have done full deck tricks and then ridiculously and blatantly followed them with a packet trick. I don't think it ideal and don't make a virtue out of doing it. Its a bit tacky I suspect, I avoid it usually- however sometimes, in a restaurant for example, you adapt on the hoof to meet the demands of the moment and you try stuff out too.
In my experience the spectator doesn't care where the next effect comes from so long as its good, captures their imagination & they feel entertained.
If a spectator were to say 'Hey Buddy, hang on..wait a minute are those cards special!!!' I would respond with great warmth 'Yea of course they are, they're MINE, that's enough to make them special to me!'. Anyway what are we worried about, what can the spectator deduce incontrovertibly? Not all packet trick cards are 'special'. I carry the four regular aces in my wallet, just so I am never completely without a strong effect to share. I don't mind if the spectator thinks they are special. The mystery is only deepened, the entertainment made to resonate for longer- they can't know for sure. What great fun we are allowed to have.
Message: Posted by: jpleddington (Mar 9, 2011 07:42AM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-09 00:26, alibaba wrote:
Has no one mentioned Ultimate Carte Folles by JP Vallarino? I've been working on this incredibly beautiful routine for a month now and it's a joy, a wonderful routine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BjK_n7UHwE
[/quote]

Thanks for sharing that. It's amazing. I'm tempted to drop the $25 and brush up on my French to learn it.

Jason
Message: Posted by: alibaba (Mar 9, 2011 03:28PM)
There's supposed to be an English version out soon, but I picked up the essence of the routine by watching the video (sort of like learning from a Ponta dvd). Nothing that an intermediate card guy couldn't do.

[quote]

Thanks for sharing that. It's amazing. I'm tempted to drop the $25 and brush up on my French to learn it.

Jason

On 2011-03-09 08:42, jpleddington wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-03-09 00:26, alibaba wrote:
Has no one mentioned Ultimate Carte Folles by JP Vallarino? I've been working on this incredibly beautiful routine for a month now and it's a joy, a wonderful routine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BjK_n7UHwE
[/quote]

[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Llynus (Mar 10, 2011 03:44AM)
Open Travellers.
Message: Posted by: howie3 (Mar 14, 2011 06:55AM)
Twisted Sisters has my vote.
Message: Posted by: silent shadow (Mar 14, 2011 12:48PM)
I agree with Roger on Colour Monte I've never bothered with it. Though with Twisted sisters your asking the spectator to use their imagination anyway, there is only one fair looking count, so it still plays out well from a packet.

Ja
Message: Posted by: Lawrence O (Mar 15, 2011 09:08PM)
Three Card Monte
Twisting the aces
Jazz aces
Open travellers
Wild cards
The Homing Card
Ten card poker deal
Six card repeat
Derek Dingle's Too Many Cards

Now with due respect to Cameron Francis who I deeply respect, I find a definitive need to justify in a casual and very convincing way that taking a packet out is normal. For example, I could not get by with Tommy Wonder's Tamed Cards buzzer system and, as a result I had to redesign the trick for the back of the cards to change from various Casino photographs to standard Bycicle backs explaining that we have formed a club of magicians able to steal a given card from any casino run by the mafia (at the risk of having a hand chopped off): the membership to this very select group justifies the same faces on cards with different casino backs. The spectator is then forced the same face but naturally the back is not satisfactory and I propose them to make them a honorary member of the club. It doesn't work and all the cards change to Bicycle backs as per Tommy's routine.

For Twisting the Aces, Open Travellers or Jazz Aces, I do the trick after letting the spectator cut to the aces without him knowing what he is about to cut the cards to.

For the three card monte, I take two similar jokers out (as if they were sold like this with the deck which naturally is not the case) and, as a second thought, I ask them if they have ever seen street guys doing the three card monte... and I pull out an ace of hearts.

For the ten card poker deal, I do a Truffle shuffle then a Zarrow shuffle on the table and then a flase cut from Roberto Giobbi's Card College, and then I deal the ten cards. Naturally then I keep the 10 cards but for the finale, I take the deck back and false shuffle again and cut to the bridge to get to my set up for a Hold'em Poker with as many hand as the spectators choose.

For the Homing card, after two Truffle shuffles keeping the deck's set up, I start with Derek Dingle's Fabulous Jumping Card Trick where the spectator is requested to count ten cards in my hand (unknowingly all red including the one to five of hearts except for a black king). After four phases of Braue's Homing card and the reverse (a Carlyle's Homing Card to the Pocket variant where I secretely collect the five of spades), I move into the very entertaining Senator Crandall's six card repeat variant, keeping only the 1 to 5 of hearts and the additional 5 of spades at the end and finish with Dereck Dingle's Too Many Cards
... and so on.

I just hate to arouse suspicion at the initial step and want to put my audience in a relaxed frame of mind so that, somehow, everything is happening in their heads and by magic rather than skill. Now there is more than one way to skin a cat.
Message: Posted by: Lawrence O (Mar 15, 2011 10:59PM)
I knew I was forgetting Oil and Water and Follow the leader (who by the way blend well if one starts with O&W and finishes for the last cards with the follow the leader plot)
Message: Posted by: dtextreme (Mar 22, 2011 10:28AM)
I would argue Skinner's Ultimate Three Card Monte. Bill Malone has a great routine with it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qju5s9IEKow

It is a long routine, given only three cards and a simple premise. It is easy to understand as everyone has seen/played/heard of the Three Shells game. In addition, there are no fancy or suspicious moves--creating an effect that seems to be pure magic. Even with the audience members burning their eyes on your hands and cards, the visual routine can be done openly and with little touching of the cards. Moreover, it is interactive.

One point I would like to make is that I usually allow the spectator to win for the practice part of the routine in the beginning. This will establish further that it's possible to win at the game and that there are no gaffs. Once the spectator(s) establish that mindset, I carry on with a routine very similar to Bill Malone's.
Message: Posted by: PHER (Mar 22, 2011 10:48AM)
I don't know if it has been mentioned already, but John Bannon's Royal Scam has worked greatly for me...
Message: Posted by: Brittain Bass (Apr 1, 2011 08:25AM)
-NFW
-It's Done With Mirrors
-The Color Monte
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Apr 1, 2011 09:22AM)
Back Flip- Sam Schwartz
Did You Get The Odd One? - Randy Wakeman
Psychic Twins- Max Maven
Message: Posted by: joseph (Apr 2, 2011 05:20AM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-09 00:26, alibaba wrote:
Has no one mentioned Ultimate Carte Folles by JP Vallarino? I've been working on this incredibly beautiful routine for a month now and it's a joy, a wonderful routine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BjK_n7UHwE
[/quote]

Is that the same as his Wild Card routine? ...
Message: Posted by: alibaba (Apr 2, 2011 01:20PM)
Yes, I believe it is. I did this last night at a party and got audible ooh's and aah's. A wonderful routine.

[quote]
On 2011-04-02 06:20, joseph wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-03-09 00:26, alibaba wrote:
Has no one mentioned Ultimate Carte Folles by JP Vallarino? I've been working on this incredibly beautiful routine for a month now and it's a joy, a wonderful routine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BjK_n7UHwE
[/quote]

Is that the same as his Wild Card routine? ...
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: juggernought (Apr 3, 2011 05:03AM)
Two Absolute Killers:

1. Twins (Bro John)
2. Dr Daley's last trick using the gemini count (bro john hamman's count)

Most of Bro John's packet tricks are excellent. Im sure you will find some favorites in his book. I recommend you check it out for good packet tricks.
Message: Posted by: ejohn (Apr 3, 2011 10:12PM)
Just discovered John Guastaferro's Intuition/Out of the Blue. Mini-Hofinzer, backs change, and Reset all combined. Done with ordinary cards. Will take work to perfect.
Message: Posted by: greymagick (Apr 4, 2011 09:35AM)
I actually prefer Double Back (Jon Allen) to NFW. With the latter, I have had people asking me why can't they see the "four jokers" face up in the beginning. The former has cleaner mechanics and the handling can be masked up more effectively (for me at least). Both are great killers when performed right, I just find DB a bit more seamless.
Message: Posted by: Artie Fufkin (Apr 4, 2011 09:54AM)
I'm partial to B'Wave, Entourage, and a few Nick Trost items you have to make up yourself from his first book.
Message: Posted by: EVILDAN (Apr 28, 2011 12:37PM)
I followed some of the advice on page 4 of this thread. I did Color Monte after culling the cards from a regular deck. Didn't go over very well. Not sure what the problem was. Help.
Message: Posted by: Damian (May 13, 2011 03:50PM)
EVILDAN,

Do you have success with this trick otherwise? Although I'm not much for toting packets, I do carry Color Monte with me--I don't use cards from the deck. My final reveal is a bright green facer. I actually don't think I would perform this trick without it--it's such a stunner, and the ridiculous color contributes a lot to that moment. If you're using ungaffed cards, and not getting the response you want, I would suggest trying using a brightly colored card and see if it makes a difference.
Message: Posted by: Phil J. (May 14, 2011 06:25AM)
[quote]
On 2011-04-04 10:35, greymagick wrote:
I actually prefer Double Back (Jon Allen) to NFW. With the latter, I have had people asking me why can't they see the "four jokers" face up in the beginning. The former has cleaner mechanics and the handling can be masked up more effectively (for me at least). Both are great killers when performed right, I just find DB a bit more seamless.
[/quote]Agreed. I always found the handling of NFW a problem.
Message: Posted by: mtstic44 (Jun 3, 2011 10:58AM)
Id have to pick Wild Card I guess that was the first effect I performed as a grown up
Message: Posted by: velcrowe (Jun 3, 2011 11:52AM)
[quote]
On 2011-05-14 07:25, Phil J. wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-04-04 10:35, greymagick wrote:
I actually prefer Double Back (Jon Allen) to NFW. With the latter, I have had people asking me why can't they see the "four jokers" face up in the beginning. The former has cleaner mechanics and the handling can be masked up more effectively (for me at least). Both are great killers when performed right, I just find DB a bit more seamless.
[/quote]Agreed. I always found the handling of NFW a problem.
[/quote]

There is a method to show all four jokers at the beginning, but I've never used it.

I've done NFW hundreds of times and I've never had someone trace back and ask why they couldn't see all four jokers at the beginning.

One packet trick I've seriously underestimated is Duplicity. I'm not sure why I thought this way, but I never thought it would get great reactions or replace any of the packet tricks I do. I've done it a couple times in the last few weeks and it just absolutely FRIES people. Incredible effect.
Message: Posted by: TTrushin (Jun 3, 2011 12:18PM)
Corner of Piccadilly by Paul Gordon is excellent! Fast, instant reset, examinable at the end, two sleights (elmsley count and DL), and it is easy for anyone to understand.

I keep the cards in my wallet.
Message: Posted by: EVILDAN (Jun 14, 2011 12:13PM)
Damian, I was just joking around about culling the Color Monte cards from a regular deck.

I perform this all the time and it kills. And it kills me how many people have NOT seen this trick even though it's supposedly the best selling packet trick of all time.
Message: Posted by: writeall (Jun 15, 2011 03:24AM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-09 00:26, alibaba wrote:
Has no one mentioned Ultimate Carte Folles by JP Vallarino? I've been working on this incredibly beautiful routine for a month now and it's a joy, a wonderful routine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BjK_n7UHwE
[/quote]
At the site where it's for sale, the ad says: "You can leave the cards for examination"
Can that be right?
http://www.artecoproductions.com/ultimate-wild-card-by-jeanpierre-vallarino.html
Message: Posted by: Paul (Jun 15, 2011 09:51AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-15 04:24, writeall wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-03-09 00:26, alibaba wrote:
Has no one mentioned Ultimate Carte Folles by JP Vallarino? I've been working on this incredibly beautiful routine for a month now and it's a joy, a wonderful routine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BjK_n7UHwE
[/quote]
At the site where it's for sale, the ad says: "You can leave the cards for examination"
Can that be right?
http://www.artecoproductions.com/ultimate-wild-card-by-jeanpierre-vallarino.html
[/quote]

Watch the clip again and you'll answer your own question, at least if you've ever performed any version of Wild Card. Beautiful sequence of moves though.
Message: Posted by: Paul (Jun 15, 2011 09:55AM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-03 02:14, PaulPacific wrote:
About packet tricks, The Amazing Kreskin once said to me, "Don't anybody show me a card trick-especially if it comes in a little plastic wallet!"
[/quote]

I can't see that has anything to do with the thread, but perhaps someone tried to show him one when he was trying to find his paycheck (or after he failed to find his check and was in a bad mood).

Paul.
Message: Posted by: bosque (Jun 16, 2011 09:36AM)
Strictly speaking, not a packet trick since it uses postcards, but I really like Doug Higley's "3 No Evil".
Message: Posted by: writeall (Jun 17, 2011 12:31AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-15 10:51, Paul wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-06-15 04:24, writeall wrote:
At the site where it's for sale, the ad says: "You can leave the cards for examination"
Can that be right?
[/quote]

Watch the clip again and you'll answer your own question, at least if you've ever performed any version of Wild Card. Beautiful sequence of moves though.
[/quote]

Well, the answer I came up with was "No, they cannot examine the cards." But, I was willing to be wrong. I'm a fan of Tommy Wonder's version.
Message: Posted by: DelMagic (Jun 18, 2011 11:55AM)
Back in March, I asked Arteco about the examination of the cards and it here is their response:

"As per the card examination, there are two methods explained in the DVD, so I will correct the description. I do not want to have the people being confused."

They never did change the description.
Message: Posted by: sohaib (Jun 19, 2011 01:08PM)
What a great thread! I'm still going with Alex Elmsley's Dazzle - the only thing is it's not examinable at the end. I would love to make this "fractal" as John Bannon puts it. Let me see if I can work something out :).

Sohaib
Message: Posted by: David Acer (Jul 18, 2011 06:05PM)
Another vote for Darwin Ortiz's "Jumping Gemini" ([i]Darwin Ortiz at the Card Table[/i], pg 141). Sooooo much magic using only four ungimmicked cards. Makes you feel powerful, like Thor. Or Loki. Or at least one of the Weasleys.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Jul 18, 2011 11:50PM)
Twisted Sisters
Message: Posted by: MagicMan1957 (Jul 19, 2011 01:10AM)
I am always surprised when PLASTIC LADY by Don England and Doug Conn is not mentioned.

This is a relatively easy to perform packet trick killer.

With a kicker ending that is beyond belief!

http://www.mallofmagic.com/Videos/plaslad1.wmv
Message: Posted by: abrell (Jul 19, 2011 04:50AM)
Nick Trost´s Muleshoe Gambler - I performed it last week with giant cards and the audience liked it
Mosers Miracle Monte - available from CardShark, I am sure it will replace Skinners Monte
Gypsy Monte from Tonny van Rhee - for story telling magic
The Homing Card from Trevor Lewis - if you are a comedian
Royal Scam from John Bannon - perfect for close up performances
Message: Posted by: Chris Lina (Jul 20, 2011 11:47AM)
Id have to say twisting the aces:)
Message: Posted by: Mike Davenport (Aug 20, 2011 12:44AM)
I do twisting the aces often. For years I have been telling myself to learn Dr. Daly's because I love it. For some reason I have not. I have been doing Twisting the Aces for so long its second nature and very easy to follow for the spectators. Maybe this thread will inspire me to work with Dr Dailys some.

If I were forced to pick a gaffed packet trick I would say NFW. I love the ending and I have even gotten away with letting cards be examined at the end (just not fully examined).

I did see Double Backed by Jon Armstrong mentioned and I can't wait to look into that. I have not seen it and I love Armstrong. His 3 Card Monty routine with the blank cards and stickers is such a beautiful routine. If that is considered a packet trick (and I don't see why not) I would put that on the list as well.
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (Aug 20, 2011 11:30AM)
Just saw the July 19th post above. Muleshoe Gambler is credited to Nick Trost there. I just like to keep the record straight. Perhaps Nick used that title, I don't know. What I do know is that Judge Frank Price sent me The Muleshoe Gambler back in 1988 and I published it in the Sept., 1989 issue of APOCALYPSE. I didn't know of any other item with that name at that time, nor have I heard of one since until now. I also perform and teach The Muleshoe Gambler in one of my "Best Ever" DVD volumes. It's one heck of a routine. Is that the one you're talking about, Abrell? HL.
Message: Posted by: bblumen (Aug 20, 2011 12:56PM)
The Nick Trost version uses gaffed cards and can be found in [i]Nick Trost's Subtle Card Creations ~ Volume One[/i], page 160, [b]Trost on "The Muleshoe Gambler[/b]. Credits are given.


Brian
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (Aug 20, 2011 01:18PM)
Credits to whom?
Message: Posted by: AngeloR (Aug 20, 2011 01:24PM)
Cameron Francis mentioned Kaleidoscope (by Roy Walton) in an earlier post to this thread. It is a very nice packet effect. It is direct, pretty quick and uses one move known to most card workers. And, as Cameron mentioned,it is fully examinable. IMO, another advantage is that it lends itself to the creation of several different patter themes. All in all, a nice little effect. Thanks for the reminder Cameron.
Message: Posted by: bblumen (Aug 20, 2011 01:35PM)
[quote]
On 2011-08-20 14:18, Harry Lorayne wrote:
Credits to whom?
[/quote]


Read the book.
Message: Posted by: Your Thinking Cap (Aug 20, 2011 02:06PM)
Where can Walton's Kaleidoscope Cards be found?
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (Aug 20, 2011 02:08PM)
If I had the book I wouldn't have asked, now would I? Or is that beyond your comprehension? Forgive me for asking such a difficult question; sorry. In any case, thanks loads for your help - I'm sure someone who has the book will give me the information. Really all quite unimportant. Again, thanks so much for your help.

Actually, a better, more succinct, to the point, response to your so helpful "Read the book" response would have been, "[b]Answer the question[/b]." So, ignore the paragraph above this one (except for "thanks so much for your help").
Message: Posted by: Your Thinking Cap (Aug 20, 2011 02:17PM)
Harry, as I have the book, I will help: Trost rightly credits, saying "My routine is based on Judge Frank Price's "The Mulshoe Gambler," which appeared in Apocalypse, September 1989."

In fact, in the book, the title of the trick is "Trost on "The Mulshoe gambler" I hope this helps.

Sincerely,
Andrew
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (Aug 20, 2011 02:25PM)
Yes, it does, Andrew. Thank you. I should have known better than to have asked bblumen and wasted my time and everyone else's. I'd be curious as to what Trost added to Frank Price's lovely, any deck, original routine. No, I'm not asking bblumen - God forbid! Thanks again, Andrew.
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (Aug 20, 2011 02:34PM)
Actually, the original Muleshoe Gambler is not really a "packet" trick. HL.
Message: Posted by: Your Thinking Cap (Aug 20, 2011 02:47PM)
No problem, it is a pleasure to help you! In fact, I will help you some more. You wanted to know what Trost added, and I have the answer: where as the original routine requires the use of Brother John's Gemini Count but Trost's uses gaffed cards and uses no sleight of hand. You are right, The Mulshoe Gambler is not a packet trick to begin with and neither is Trost's version. I may be thirteen years of age, but I am very resourceful.
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (Aug 20, 2011 03:11PM)
Hey, Andrew, thanks again. You sure sound much older than thirteen - and you sure act older than the wiseguy above! It's a pleasure to hear and see such resourcefulness from young, new, people. Keep it up, and thanks for your help. Best - Harry L.
Message: Posted by: bblumen (Aug 20, 2011 03:12PM)
[quote]
On 2011-08-20 15:06, Your Thinking Cap wrote:
Where can Walton's Kaleidoscope Cards be found?
[/quote]


As far as I know, it is not published. It was a marketed trick many years ago.

You can see it performed [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyTn_Sl5x_w]here[/url].

An interesting variation of this effect is Robert E. Neale's [b]Seeing What Seems[/b], [i]Life, Death & Other Card Tricks[/i], pp. 237-240.
Message: Posted by: AngeloR (Aug 20, 2011 07:04PM)
Thanks bblumen.
Message: Posted by: Paul (Aug 21, 2011 01:05PM)
[quote]
On 2011-08-20 16:12, bblumen wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-08-20 15:06, Your Thinking Cap wrote:
Where can Walton's Kaleidoscope Cards be found?
[/quote]


As far as I know, it is not published. It was a marketed trick many years ago.

You can see it performed [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyTn_Sl5x_w]here[/url].

An interesting variation of this effect is Robert E. Neale's [b]Seeing What Seems[/b], [i]Life, Death & Other Card Tricks[/i], pp. 237-240.
[/quote]

It may still be marketed by Davenports, who originally marketed it. Steve Tucker also has a variant on the effect.
Message: Posted by: abrell (Aug 22, 2011 05:10AM)
Dear Mr. Lorayne,

I borrowed Nick Trosts book from a friend and gave it back to him. But I remeber the title was something like "Nick Trost on the Muleshoe Gambler". So it was clear that it was his special version of that already known trick.

Nick Trosts routine uses gaff cards. That surely is nor surprise to anyone. I made the cards myself, so I use different values of cards. Here is my routine:

1. I display a fan of five single cards - 10S, 5D, 10H, KS, JH. One card (5D) is put away and one card added afterwards (JS).
2. Now I should have two pairs, but can magically display a full house: 10S, JS, 10H, JC, JH. One card (10H) is put away and one card added afterwards (QS).
3. Now I should have only three of a kind left, but magically I can display four of a kind: 10S, JS, JD, JC, JH. a third card is removed (JH) and a third card added to the fan (AS).
4. Now I should have three of a kind again, but magically I can display a royal flush: 10S, JS, QS, KS, AS

I act as if I did not understand poker really well when I gambled that game. So the audience tells me that the cards have transformed - I ask them if my cards are good...
http://www.zauber-ei.com/zauber-ei-pages/bilder.php?p=kai-abrell.jpg&m=jul-11

Kind regards

Kai Abrell
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (Aug 22, 2011 10:16AM)
Thanks, Kai. Seems like the same as the original, except necessitates gaffed cards. I guess the reason is that it'd be a bit difficult to do the necessary moves with jumbo cards. Best - HL.
Message: Posted by: abrell (Aug 22, 2011 11:11AM)
Nick Trost describes all his effects with standard playing cards. I looked for some effects that could be performed with jumbo cards. Several effects with gaff cards are suitable. With jumbo cards it can be hard to hide extra cards. Gaff cards work perfectly. And small packet tricks are also fine with jumbo cards because no complete pack is needed.
Message: Posted by: Shakey (Aug 23, 2011 02:34PM)
'ULTIMATE Cartes folles par Jean Pierre VALLARINO' - does anyone know if this is available anywhere - I'd prefer English translation as my French is poor to say the least. Thanks
Message: Posted by: swamy (Aug 24, 2011 10:41AM)
[quote]
On 2011-08-21 14:05, Paul wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-08-20 16:12, bblumen wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-08-20 15:06, Your Thinking Cap wrote:
Where can Walton's Kaleidoscope Cards be found?
[/quote]


As far as I know, it is not published. It was a marketed trick many years ago.

You can see it performed [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyTn_Sl5x_w]here[/url].

An interesting variation of this effect is Robert E. Neale's [b]Seeing What Seems[/b], [i]Life, Death & Other Card Tricks[/i], pp. 237-240.
[/quote]

It may still be marketed by Davenports, who originally marketed it. Steve Tucker also has a variant on the effect.
[/quote]

Tucker's version was called "TWINS" and now titled 'Kaleidoscopic" available at http://www.lybrary.com/kaleidoscopic-p-3123.html
Message: Posted by: Jonathan100 (Sep 1, 2011 04:41AM)
In my opinion one of the most amazing packet routines is waving the aces by Guy Hollingworth. It really seems to take the twisting the aces theme to the next level and to the level after that!

Sincerely yours,

Jonathan
Message: Posted by: Daniel Clemente (Sep 26, 2011 02:26PM)
I think Marked Again by Jerry Somerdin is one of my favorite packet effects...4 cards turn face down, then change color, then have the name of each card printed on the back! Genius!
Message: Posted by: ramoss (Oct 26, 2011 09:26PM)
One person mentioned it much earlier, but Cardboard Chameleons by Daryl is a work of art. It is interesting, ever changing and leaves you clean at the end. It's also not at all difficult. It doesn't read especially well with all the false counts obvious to magicians, but done well I think it is one of the all time best packet tricks. (I'm in the middle of learning it, it's fairly easy to do, but as I get older it just takes longer to learn the routine). Maybe I should take a load off my mind and stick to say, Rising Cards. Anyway check out a beautiful rendition of Cardboard Chameleons here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3y_X71ra_8.
Bob
Message: Posted by: NicholasD (Oct 26, 2011 10:17PM)
I've been performing Darwin's Jumping Gemini and variations of Doc Daley's last trick to extremely favorable reactions for over thirty years. Jumping Gemini, however, for all that time has been my go-to effect if I'm asked to do a trick.

A recent favorite is Steve Dobson's Otherworld Poker Hand in which the backs of a four-of-a-kind change twice.
Message: Posted by: Anthony Owen (Oct 28, 2011 12:23AM)
In my unbiased opinion the best are:

Ultimate Oil and Water by Anthony Owen

http://tvmagic.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=124

and Miracle Monte by Andy Nyman and Anthony Owen

http://tvmagic.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=34

I'm very proud of them both.

You can get them from the folks at TVMagic.co.uk or your favourite Magic Café sponsor can pick them up from Murphy's Magic Supplies.
Message: Posted by: Merc Man (Oct 29, 2011 02:16PM)
Love how this forum is unashamedly used by some people to plug their own stuff!

Maybe, if the aforementioned tricks WERE THAT GOOD, others would be recommending/reviewing them on your behalf?

Personally, I've never heard of either of them - nor, in this instance, can I even be bothered looking.
Message: Posted by: J Christensen (Nov 6, 2011 05:48AM)
Mr. Owen's tricks are not that unknown. I think I recommended Ultimate oil and Water. Take a look at the videos. They are very clean.
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Nov 6, 2011 12:48PM)
Lots of great packet tricks for sure as you see here. For me of late (and I'm mostly a coin guy, so take it easy on me), I've enjoyed Re-Flipped, The Daley Last Trick and B'Wave, can't go wrong with any of them on ya. :) And I'll tellya, do it with style and presence and B'Wave is very hard to beat. Not hard to do for magic that is hard to beat IMHO, it's really that good a packet trick. :)

And this really is a miracle...I was just in Bermuda over the weekend and a guy did Miracle Monte and it blew the entire bar away at the Hamilton Princess one night. :) Anthony, man both those effects are really good and Miracle Monte is just wicked man, WICKED! Excellent effects and worthy of real recognition here. :)
Message: Posted by: Merc Man (Nov 19, 2011 02:21PM)
[quote]
On 2011-11-06 06:48, J Christensen wrote:
Mr. Owen's tricks are not that unknown. I think I recommended Ultimate oil and Water. Take a look at the videos. They are very clean.
[/quote]

Well I took your advice JC and watched Anthony Owen's Oil & Water clip.

Clean? Really? There is one blindingly obvious discrepancy, coupled with some 'one card'(?) handling that looked anything other than natural. Also THREE repetitive phases of "here's a red card, here's a black card, here's a red card, here's a black card?" Jeeeeezus, wake me up when it's all over! :napping:

We've clearly got a very different interpretation of the word 'clean' fella in relation to card material!

Give me a version using ungaffed cards WITH A KICKER any day of the week......e.g. Paul Gordon's 'Fry them with Oil & Water'.

Just my opinion obviously.
Message: Posted by: Merc Man (Nov 19, 2011 03:30PM)
Just to add J.C. that I checked out Mr. Owen's posts for the last 30 days.

He has made just three - ALL of which concern either himself and/or his own products.

As I said before, I've got no time whatsoever for people simply using this excellent forum for nothing other than their own self-promotion and financial gain.

That surely ISN'T it's purpose. In fact, it's really cheap and tacky; and says more about the person than their magical creativity ever will.
Message: Posted by: Bluesman (Nov 20, 2011 09:34PM)
My vote goes to Michael Skinner's Ultimate Three Card Monte
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Nov 21, 2011 09:35AM)
This is funny, as to me there's usually way too much turning or twisting to card tricks...It all looks suspicious to me. Not sure what you're doing, might not know the name or history of the move you're using, but it's clear to see that you did something and in most cases the cards can't be examined. I appreciate the magic but to be honest a lot of it, where cards are turned around and switched and twisted, etc. I find quite monotonous and off the track as to what should be a much immediate motivation as to the magic. The guys that are really smooth at it can make it look seamless and doesn't wear the spec out trying to follow along but most I believe the specs just respectfully follow to the trick's end, subconciously in suspect of all that turning and twisting.

Regardless, I still like card magic and agree with Merc here on ungaffed cards or either quicker display gaffed tricks like NFW or Doubleback that finish in great enough amazement to kill any such suspicions from monotonous/clearly shifty movements.
Message: Posted by: Mr. Mystoffelees (Nov 27, 2011 04:47PM)
[quote]
On 2011-10-26 23:17, NicholasD wrote:
I've been performing Darwin's Jumping Gemini and variations of Doc Daley's last trick to extremely favorable reactions for over thirty years. Jumping Gemini, however, for all that time has been my go-to effect if I'm asked to do a trick.

A recent favorite is Steve Dobson's Otherworld Poker Hand in which the backs of a four-of-a-kind change twice.
[/quote]

With you there! JG is such a shocking routine for specs. Love it and it is my go to also...
Message: Posted by: jmvives (Jan 3, 2012 02:48PM)
My vote goes to Follow the leader challenge by Aldo Colombini. This trick always gets a great reactions.

greetings,
Message: Posted by: jmvives (Jan 3, 2012 02:51PM)
Ouch, I just remember this one (how can I forget it?): Incauto Tramposo by Pepe Carrol. What a wonderful trick!
Message: Posted by: braabesflaben (Jan 7, 2012 11:20AM)
I like the "this and that" card trick a lot, the last card always gets a great reaction.
Message: Posted by: Killertweety (Jan 7, 2012 11:30AM)
I'm performing [b]Strange Travelers[/b] a lot lately and it gets great reactions. I count the 20 cards from a regular deck that I first spread to show all cards different so don't take them out of the black wallet.
Message: Posted by: AdamChance (Jan 8, 2012 02:16PM)
[quote]
On 2011-04-04 10:35, greymagick wrote:
I actually prefer Double Back (Jon Allen) to NFW. With the latter, I have had people asking me why can't they see the "four jokers" face up in the beginning. The former has cleaner mechanics and the handling can be masked up more effectively (for me at least). Both are great killers when performed right, I just find DB a bit more seamless.
[/quote]

Ya, I don't like NFW for the same reason. The only part of double back that I don't like is putting the two cards face to face without flashing.

I like doing this one now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC5t6evZYiE ... basically the same effect

I say: "for this trick, all you have to do is find one of the queen of clubs. see, there's one of them on the top. and it gets even easier, because the bottom card is also the queen of clubs. and you really shouldn't have any problem finding a queen of clubs, because the two middle cards are queen of clubs also. but it's actually trickier than you think, because this card is a 5 of hearts, this card is a 5 of hearts, and these two cards are 5 of hearts".

I think it's a descent routine because the spectator sort of understands why you just don't freely show all the cards face up at once by playing it off a guessing game where you have to "find the queen" and that's why they're all face down and hidden. but the spectator still thinks they've seen all 4 queens... and they know that they've definitely seen 2 there at the end at the same time. I also think it's a bit easier to perform than NFW and double back.
Message: Posted by: ThatsJustWrong! (Jan 8, 2012 07:19PM)
I'm a little disappointed not to have heard more love for Sympathetic Aces (I think I saw it mentioned once). I don't know how many packets of this Emerson & West classic I have worn out over the years. The cards were crap and would fade almost before your eyes, but I love the story and it's so very visual. I still have a pack for walk around at civil unions. I wish I could find some more!
Message: Posted by: whiteoakcanyon (Jan 8, 2012 09:10PM)
Virginia City Shuffle is an awesome packet trick. It is fun to perform and spectators love it. You can end completely clean with all the cards in their hands.
Message: Posted by: Harald (Jan 9, 2012 03:51AM)
Jumping Gemini! Just four normal cards you get a lot of milage out
Message: Posted by: Cameron Francis (Jan 12, 2012 08:48AM)
Just a heads up that I'm having a huge sale on my website right now. A lot of cool packet trick downloads. Some for only $3! (They were originally $10). Click on my profile to see my web address.
Message: Posted by: macca_accam (Jan 12, 2012 11:07PM)
Another Vote for NFW & Jumping Gemini
Message: Posted by: magicgettogether (Jan 13, 2012 08:04AM)
Trik Cards by Nick Trost
Message: Posted by: Liam Montier (Jan 13, 2012 07:41PM)
John Bannon's Spin Doctor.
Message: Posted by: TJ Halford (Jan 16, 2012 05:02PM)
I like to routine these together in this order:

Swirl Production - Eric Jones
Bolder assembly - Ben Train (ending with two 4 of a kind)
Reset cube - Yoann
The queens - D&D
Message: Posted by: sohaib (Jan 21, 2012 05:25PM)
I started this thread with Alex Elmsley's Dazzle and I still feel the same way about it - this is the best packet trick of all time! Watch it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck9LFEfZRGI :).
Message: Posted by: dbriegs (Jan 22, 2012 05:00PM)
B'Wave is the only packet trick I ALWAYS carry with me. That gets my vote. Slays 'em every time.
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Jan 22, 2012 05:59PM)
Yep, B'Wave is a great one alright...I carry it too, for years now. ;)

Easy to do and it's simply good presentation that sells its enduring amazement.

Not sure it's the best or anything but it's definitely one of them...Definitely in the to 10, which is remarkable in itself. :)
Message: Posted by: TJ Halford (Jan 22, 2012 06:08PM)
Twisted by Eric Jones is the only gaffed packet trick I carry, but I have several impromptu ones that are really fun
Message: Posted by: MagicMan1957 (Jan 22, 2012 07:18PM)
This past year "Mega Wave" by John Bannon is my go to Packet trick. Plus he gave me an on camera credit for the alternative handling he describes which was a huge honor for me!
Message: Posted by: Jamie D. Grant (Jan 25, 2012 05:20PM)
I don't think I've left the house in the last 10 years without carrying 2 Jokers and a Queen for 3 Card Monte:

[b]1)[/b] If I'm ever kidnapped, transported to a different country, and make a daring escape- I can make enough money to get back home with my 3 cards (after making a couple of friends ;) )

[b]2)[/b] If someone asks to see a trick, I can straight up pull it out and perform it.

[b]3)[/b] If I want to bring magic into the conversation, I begin by asking about places we've all travel led- talk about hustles- mention I can demonstrate.

My 3 cents,

jamie
Message: Posted by: The Burnaby Kid (Jan 29, 2012 05:13PM)
[quote]
On 2012-01-25 16:37, theatfusatfus wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP1Ru-4F4IU
[/quote]

I really enjoyed that.
Message: Posted by: KSan (Feb 9, 2012 04:44AM)
My favourites:
Red Herring - Paul Gordon
4 card trick - Alex Elmsley
Bullet Party - John Bannon
Dr.Daley's Last Trick
Twisting the aces - Dai Vernon
Marked - John Cornelius

:)
Message: Posted by: Paul (Feb 10, 2012 09:05AM)
[quote]
On 2012-01-08 20:19, that'sJustWrong! wrote:
I'm a little disappointed not to have heard more love for Sympathetic Aces (I think I saw it mentioned once). I don't know how many packets of this Emerson & West classic I have worn out over the years. The cards were crap and would fade almost before your eyes, but I love the story and it's so very visual. I still have a pack for walk around at civil unions. I wish I could find some more!
[/quote]

This is probably because there have been updated versions of the plot like John Bannon's
"Royal Scam" that you should check out.
Message: Posted by: borderjs (Feb 14, 2012 06:20AM)
Twisting the Aces is one of the first ones I learned. I also like Michael Skinners ultimate 3 card monte.
Message: Posted by: jugglestruck (Feb 14, 2012 01:35PM)
A trick I have used on and off for years is Entourage by Gordon Bean.
For the right people at the right time this is very, very convincing.
Message: Posted by: Lundonia (Feb 18, 2012 05:01PM)
Twisted Sisters 2.0 by John Bannon never fails to get a reaction! :) I'm a sucker for all of his work though.
Message: Posted by: Merc Man (Feb 20, 2012 07:07AM)
[quote]
On 2012-01-08 20:19, that'sJustWrong! wrote:
I'm a little disappointed not to have heard more love for Sympathetic Aces (I think I saw it mentioned once). I don't know how many packets of this Emerson & West classic I have worn out over the years
[/quote]
I think Emerson & West titled the trick 'Sympathetic Cards' and credited it to a magician named 'Ronnay'. As you rightly say, the cards (AD/Jokers) were woeful - the back design itself was copied from a very cheap pack of Chinese cards from the 1970's called Poker 500.

However, this actual effect was an exact copy (rip-off?) of a packet trick released by Joe Riding here in the UK called 'At the end of the Rainbow'.
Message: Posted by: TonyPorter (Feb 20, 2012 08:24PM)
[quote]
On 2012-02-20 08:07, Merc Man wrote:

However, this actual effect was an exact copy (rip-off?) of a packet trick released by Joe Riding here in the UK called 'At the end of the Rainbow'.
[/quote]

Ah, Joe Riding. He was a very clever guy and seemed like a genuinely nice guy on top of it. Such a shame we've lost him.

Sorry for getting off topic there.
Message: Posted by: DelMagic (Feb 20, 2012 09:06PM)
Is Joe Riding's "At the End of the Rainbow" still available? Where?
Message: Posted by: Merc Man (Feb 21, 2012 12:17PM)
Joe Riding was my best ever mate in magic - he taught me so much about the game. I miss him to this day; and think of him every time that I perform - probably because I still use so many of his effects!

However, Joe's material isn't available any more fella - his family still own the copyright but aren't now interested in re-releasing it. I did offer to re-write it all - but not in eBook format as his daughter wanted.

Maybe one day. :(
Message: Posted by: DelMagic (Feb 23, 2012 07:40PM)
Thank you Merc Man. Maybe I'll find it pop up on the used market.
Message: Posted by: ibraa (Feb 24, 2012 05:40PM)
[quote]
On 2012-02-21 13:17, Merc Man wrote:
Joe Riding was my best ever mate in magic - he taught me so much about the game. I miss him to this day; and think of him every time that I perform - probably because I still use so many of his effects!

However, Joe's material isn't available any more fella - his family still own the copyright but aren't now interested in re-releasing it. I did offer to re-write it all - but not in eBook format as his daughter wanted.

Maybe one day. :(
[/quote]


Lucky!
Message: Posted by: Paul Fitzgerald (Apr 5, 2012 11:08AM)
Twisted Sisters by John Bannon has my vote.
Cheers,
Paul.
Message: Posted by: JoeyHart (Apr 15, 2012 04:53PM)
Twisting the aces!!
Message: Posted by: Preacherman (Apr 26, 2012 03:45PM)
I almost always have these three packets with me...

It's Done with Mirrors (but I've made my own cards and call it 8 Crazy Mirrors - using the 8's and a completely different finish than the traditional one)

Capitulating Queens

Queens out of Control

I like the convenience of the packets - plus they have a pretty high 'wow' factor
Message: Posted by: Alan Munro (Apr 27, 2012 03:57PM)
I just bought Impossible Divination by Henry Evans. It's a neat mental selection effect that's repeatable and very easy to do. If someone can't do this this trick, they shouldn't try to do magic.
Message: Posted by: magicHart (Jun 4, 2012 08:12PM)
Royal Scam by John Bannon gets my vote. Never fails to get a strong reaction. Entertaining with a surprise color change ending!
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jun 6, 2012 04:45AM)
Thanks Magichart!!
Message: Posted by: Er1tro (Jun 6, 2012 06:52AM)
I like a lot Color Monte, it's cheap and the surprise at the end is so funny. Garrett Thomas had a nice handling shown in one of his videos.
I like it so much because you can do it also whit a normal deck by taking out three cards, I know that in this way the effect lost a lot in comedy and presentation but by showing at the end an 8 and say 'you own me eight dollars' It still make sense.
Message: Posted by: Merc Man (Jun 6, 2012 08:57AM)
Just an idea re: Colour Monte with cards from a normal deck.

Perform the routine with a Queen, a Joker (so there's some rationale for the 3rd card also apparently being a Joker) and end with the final card being the spectator's previous selection.
Message: Posted by: Ess Pé (Jul 27, 2012 07:01PM)
My favourite is Nice salad by Aldo Colombini.
Message: Posted by: atinczor (Sep 24, 2012 09:17AM)
Well, besides B'wave, Color monte, Skinner's 3 card monte, I have just added shock twist to my packet tricks. It never failed me and it gets great reactions. Would highly recommend it.

You start with 4 cards: all fives. You tell the spectator that you will bring the packet behind you and turn over one card and they will try to guess which one it is. You do just that and bring the packet back into view and ask them which card it might be that was turned over. They tell you a suit of five and you count the cards to show one turned over (does not matter if the spectator is right or wrong). Then you repeat this process 3 more times showing one card turning over and the others turn back while showing the backs of the cards to be all blue. Finally, with one flick of a finger, all the cards turn face up at once. Then, you ask the spectator if they remember the color of the back of the cards and they say blue. And you turn the packet over to show that all the cards have different colored backs and blue is not among them.

Great trick...
Message: Posted by: thatmatt (Oct 1, 2012 09:01AM)
I couldn't tell which one is the best packet trick card, as there are so many that I like, but I have to say I have a particular fondness for the He Died For Me Gospel magic card trick. As a Christian magician, it was one of the most touching tricks I have learned over the years...
Message: Posted by: Inert (Oct 1, 2012 10:28AM)
I want to add some unmentioned, but noteworthy ones...Magic Painting, Shot In The Dark, Grand Derby Prediction & the original The Whole Thing.
Message: Posted by: Mr. Mystoffelees (Oct 1, 2012 08:34PM)
Tough to pick just one, buy my vote would go to Jumping Gemini. I never felt comfortable with the Gemini move, so I altered the ending to do it another way...

Jim
Message: Posted by: calebjuggles (Oct 13, 2012 04:53PM)
Twisted sisters is pretty *** good, I have to say.
Message: Posted by: keshtopatel (Oct 13, 2012 09:57PM)
For me, the Tree of Diamond takes the cake..... mind blowing, easy to do.
Message: Posted by: Zuke (Oct 14, 2012 01:49AM)
[quote]
On 2012-09-24 10:17, atinczor wrote:
Well, besides B'wave, Color monte, Skinner's 3 card monte, I have just added shock twist to my packet tricks. It never failed me and it gets great reactions. Would highly recommend it.

You start with 4 cards: all fives. You tell the spectator that you will bring the packet behind you and turn over one card and they will try to guess which one it is. You do just that and bring the packet back into view and ask them which card it might be that was turned over. They tell you a suit of five and you count the cards to show one turned over (does not matter if the spectator is right or wrong). Then you repeat this process 3 more times showing one card turning over and the others turn back while showing the backs of the cards to be all blue. Finally, with one flick of a finger, all the cards turn face up at once. Then, you ask the spectator if they remember the color of the back of the cards and they say blue. And you turn the packet over to show that all the cards have different colored backs and blue is not among them.

Great trick...
[/quote]

Who is Shock Twist by? It sounds similar, actually exactly the same as one I learned from John Cornelius's video (the FISM one I think), except he did it with and ace, two three and four rather than four fives. It is a great trick!

I couldn't find John Cornelius doing it online but here it is done by Michael Ammar -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj5DX3zJ5tw
Message: Posted by: arizona (Nov 7, 2012 10:25PM)
I wish I can throw cards with the best of them and know a very good monte routine to say 3 card monte is my favorite packet trick I carry in my wallet. My fave that I do and carry are 4 ace for daly, 8 card bwave which allows me to also have extra cards for dupes and diferent color backs, princess set which I use also for a cards across effect.
Not sure if DB's strange travellers counts as a packet trick which I always carry for the right moment.
Message: Posted by: Axman (Dec 24, 2012 04:08PM)
Double back
Twisted sisters close behind but double back all day long.
Message: Posted by: Demitri (Jan 16, 2013 12:34AM)
Double back - one of the greatest card transpositions you'll ever see, the transpo of the kings to the fives in plain sight is a thing of beauty.
Capitulating queens - one of my all time favorites. It's awesome to see and hear the reactions each time a new color sows up. The color change near the end is also a great touch.
Stand up monte - this effect simply devastates. The nature of the routine allows you to play it to one or half a dozen almost entirely in the hands, you can get so much entertainment of of this little beauty.
Royal scam - cards turn face down, change colors change faces - and the best part is, everything is examinable at the end, normally I don't factor this in, it with royal scam, it's one of the few effects that almost always has at least one person going for the cards. It's just a great feeling to let them grab them!
Message: Posted by: J.Warrens (Jan 20, 2013 02:33AM)
My 3 favorites are:

Paul Wilson's "Gypsy Monte"

Nick Trost's "Trik Cards"

John Bannon's "Duplicity"

Just my 2 cents.

Cheers.
Message: Posted by: Siekomagic (Jan 23, 2013 03:26AM)
I have to agree with J.Warrens on John Bannon's "Duplicity" its just a killer effect !!
Message: Posted by: virtualwizard (Feb 8, 2013 05:50PM)
Duplicity
Twisted Sisters

Has anyone tried Omega by Stephen Tucker?
Message: Posted by: virtualwizard (Feb 9, 2013 01:57PM)
I forgot ESPWild...Paul Hallas ...very good, I use it all the time.
Message: Posted by: virtualwizard (Feb 9, 2013 03:41PM)
Where can I find Henry Evans, Impossible Divination?
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Feb 10, 2013 08:10AM)
While I always have greats like NFW, Double Back, Capitualing Queens and the Daley Trick on me, of late I keep playing with a nice one that's a bit off in the shadows it seems, [b]Reflipped[/b] by Yannick Chretien. Just a wonderful little packet trick with some great moves to it, and done with regular cards. ;) I like to present it the way Josh Jay re-did it, and if Josh Jay adds his thoughts to a thing, well, it's pretty much worth giving a whirl. So glad I did. :)

Reflipped always plays well and is just plain fun to do. Yannick's original was nice but a bit too involved with all the turning and stuff. Josh, streamlined all that tremendously IMHO and now the effect just flows. I play with it all the time because of all the nice little moves to it, everything is in there. ;)
Message: Posted by: sohaib (Feb 10, 2013 02:34PM)
Still Alex Elmsley's Dazzle for me :)

I'm working on a new version that gets rid of the half pass
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Feb 13, 2013 07:22AM)
Wow! What a dazzling multiplicity of packet effects we have mentioned in this thread! Has anybody mentioned Danny Archer's "Eye Exam?" A great effect that I love to perform, and in the end, a REAL (plastic) eyeball pops out of the cards and drops into their hand. (At least the way I do it)
Message: Posted by: scenic effects (Feb 14, 2013 09:58PM)
I love "Eye Exam" too. It's easy, amazing, and you end clean! A great trick that I do quite often.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Feb 15, 2013 04:54AM)
Pretty cool, isn't it? Do you use the Paul Harris idea that is suggested in the instructions? Also, do you use the ending of having an "eyeball" pop into their hand?
Message: Posted by: scenic effects (Feb 15, 2013 08:07PM)
I'll have to take a look at the instructions for the "Harris' idea - I do use the eyeball at the end and it gets a great reaction -
Message: Posted by: TheMag1cian (Feb 16, 2013 08:12PM)
What an amazing thread! What I got from this thread is that if you're starting a manic episode of packet tricks that a nice aresenal would include (in no particular order).

The last trick of Dr. Daley
Print
Color Monte
Twisting Aces
Wild Card
NFW Or Double back
Gypsy Curse
B'Wave
Done With Mirrors
Royal Scam
Jumping Gemini
Duplicity
Twisted Sisters

just to name a few.

Im definitely going to be looking in to "Eye Exam". Dropping an eyeball in to the spec's hand as a closer just sounds very fun and entertaining. I love that out of the box stuff!

Jeff
Message: Posted by: ropeadope (Feb 26, 2013 07:19PM)
Thanks for the compilation Jeff.

John
Message: Posted by: Goochelvermaeck (Feb 27, 2013 03:38AM)
I love packet tricks. My favorites are; Ultimate 3 card monte, B'wave and Entourage. I performed these tricks a lot. The packs small and plays verry big. I just bougth John Allen's Double Back, a great trick!
Message: Posted by: Jesse K (Feb 27, 2013 07:19AM)
My own personal favorite is 4 blue cards by Juan Tamariz.
Because of that trick, I started practicing magic in first place.
Message: Posted by: mrsmiles (Feb 28, 2013 08:27AM)
[quote]
On 2013-02-15 05:54, daffydoug wrote:
Pretty cool, isn't it? Do you use the Paul Harris idea that is suggested in the instructions? Also, do you use the ending of having an "eyeball" pop into their hand?
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Hi Daffy, you have a great taste in material as I've seen from your previous posts. I'm very fond of this trick too and it's a core part of my set. But I don't use the eyeball thing personally. I think the built in extra climaxes in Eye Exam are all excellent and each builds on the other - we don't need any more. Moreover I tend to think that adding the eyeball moves the routine from that rare combination of a trick that is INTRINSICALLY amazing and amusing.... towards the 'silly' which lessens it. Just my opinion....
I think we leave the routine on a stronger 'high' where the amazing and the amusing climax with the appearance of the eye test cards, so no need for the eyeball. I guess I see the eyeball as an unnecessary gag at the end that results in less laughter from your audience than what you you get from the preceeding appearance of the eye test cards & thus it's rather anti climatic in my humble opinion. You've got excellent judgement though Daffy so if you're using it... it works! Different strokes and different tastes etc. Bottom line, a great trick. Glad we're both fans of it.
Message: Posted by: Tom G (Feb 28, 2013 09:16AM)
There's a few I like...
Mirreversal by Bob King
Oil and Water by Anthony Owens
Restless Colors by Roy Walton
Message: Posted by: Leo H (Mar 10, 2013 12:18AM)
I'm currently partial to Michael Skinner's "All the Non-Conformists" from volume 3 of his Professional Close-Up Magic DVDs:

A packet trick where the four queens are displayed and a spectator names one. The named queen turns out to have the only odd backed card. The routine continues until the backs of all the cards continuously change from black to red and vice versa.

This effect actually originates with Martin Gardner and Skinner put in a few of his touches. You cannot ask for more from a packet effect. It only uses 4 cards, there are no extra cards, does not use double sided tape or gimmicked cards, and yet--packs a wallop.
Message: Posted by: joseph (Mar 10, 2013 07:08AM)
I agree Leo H .. Easy to learn & set up, and a favorite of mine also. ...
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Mar 12, 2013 03:23AM)
[quote]
On 2012-01-13 09:04, magicgettogether wrote:
Trik Cards by Nick Trost
[/quote]

+1. By a mile.
Message: Posted by: sohaib (Mar 12, 2013 01:51PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-10 01:18, Leo H wrote:
I'm currently partial to Michael Skinner's "All the Non-Conformists" from volume 3 of his Professional Close-Up Magic DVDs:

A packet trick where the four queens are displayed and a spectator names one. The named queen turns out to have the only odd backed card. The routine continues until the backs of all the cards continuously change from black to red and vice versa.

This effect actually originates with Martin Gardner and Skinner put in a few of his touches. You cannot ask for more from a packet effect. It only uses 4 cards, there are no extra cards, does not use double sided tape or gimmicked cards, and yet--packs a wallop.
[/quote]

This is a GREAT effect

I learned it from the Ammar series years ago :)
Message: Posted by: sohaib (Mar 12, 2013 01:56PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-12 04:23, LobowolfXXX wrote:
[quote]
On 2012-01-13 09:04, magicgettogether wrote:
Trik Cards by Nick Trost
[/quote]

+1. By a mile.
[/quote]

My #1 is still Dazzle, but this is in the Top 10 for sure

Here's a performance for those who haven't seen it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otg8VhR5dwE :)
Message: Posted by: Paul Rathbun (Mar 12, 2013 03:32PM)
[quote]
On 2013-02-16 21:12, TheMag1cian wrote:
What an amazing thread! What I got from this thread is that if you're starting a manic episode of packet tricks that a nice aresenal would include (in no particular order).

The last trick of Dr. Daley
Print
Color Monte
Twisting Aces
Wild Card
NFW Or Double back
Gypsy Curse
B'Wave
Done With Mirrors
Royal Scam
Jumping Gemini
Duplicity
Twisted Sisters

just to name a few.

Im definitely going to be looking in to "Eye Exam". Dropping an eyeball in to the spec's hand as a closer just sounds very fun and entertaining. I love that out of the box stuff!

Jeff
[/quote]

I think the following should be on this list:

Spin Doctor by Bannon
Stickmen 4 by Sanders
Double Back by Jon Allen
Message: Posted by: ldl1017 (Mar 12, 2013 05:17PM)
Doc Daley Last Trick form Greg Wilson
Color Monte
Twisting the Aces
Message: Posted by: Merc Man (Mar 29, 2013 03:35PM)
The best packet trick of all time, in my honest opinion, has to be Peter Kane's Gypsy's Curse.

Watch this performance by the Dutch Master himself, Mr. Fred Kaps, for Bro. John Hamman and admire the true, unique brilliance of Kaps by performing it in his own, inimitable style (not to mention his own, particular take upon Bro. John's Hamman Count).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufyCwkc0M6I

This, in my honest opinion, is at the absolute pinnacle of packet tricks. Colour Monte isn't fit to clean it's boots! ;)
Message: Posted by: mlippo (Mar 29, 2013 04:02PM)
[quote]
On 2013-02-13 08:22, daffydoug wrote:
Wow! What a dazzling multiplicity of packet effects we have mentioned in this thread! Has anybody mentioned Danny Archer's "Eye Exam?" A great effect that I love to perform, and in the end, a REAL (plastic) eyeball pops out of the cards and drops into their hand. (At least the way I do it)
[/quote]

I've been using Harris's idea for a while, well before learning it was his idea :)
What I mean is that I've used that method to get rid of the gimmick and end clean when performing the classic effect where the backs of the cards change to four different colours (after all Eye Exam is variant of that). Then, after buying Eye Exam and reading the instructions, I read about Harris's handling...

I guess that if I was able to come up with it independently, many people must have. Paul Harris was smart enough to publish it I believe... :)

mlippo
Message: Posted by: harbour (Apr 14, 2013 01:50PM)
Sympathetic cards.
My favorite, and most loved.
Message: Posted by: acesover (Apr 17, 2013 11:08PM)
Came to this very late and I am sure these have been mentioned severa ltimes but I just have to say.

Color Monte
Twisted Sisters

and you are probably going to laugh at this one but I love it...Alien Autopsy
Message: Posted by: lynnef (Apr 18, 2013 12:24AM)
Right now I carry Virginia City Shuffle and NFW, and I ALWAYS carry Skinner's Monte (surprised it hasn't been mentioned more in the 9 pages).I also love performing the Twins trick as there is a great story line to go along with it. Lynn
Message: Posted by: tonysamos1 (Apr 30, 2013 07:48PM)
I always carry...
Michael Skinner's 3 Card Monte
Entourage by Gordon Bean
and
Double Back by Jon Allen
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (May 11, 2013 12:04PM)
I don't know Merc...While I love Gypsy Curse, wonderful old trick, I think it is very hard to beat the very stealth NFW. :)

It is such a streamlined piece of card magic that hits specs fast and hard as to amazement. It is easy to follow as 4 Jokers turn face down one at a time and then cleanly & miraculously turn into 4 Aces. There is no fluff or all that twisting & turning stuff to this, just a pretty fair show of some wicked card magic that hits people right between the eyes. :)

Now, I do agree with you though as to Color Monte, while I have had the effect for some time now, I never thought so much of it despite it's wild popularity. It's a good trick I suppose, but just "good." I don't think it belongs in the same conversation with Gypsy Curse or NFW...Apples and oranges, I say. :)
Message: Posted by: Merc Man (Jun 5, 2013 02:28AM)
Hi MB (great initials by the way). ;)

NFW. - never performed it as, got to be honest, cards turning face up/face down actually make my eyes glaze over. That said, I've always seen rave reviews.

Yep - Gypsy's Curse is an older trick (from the 1970's). That said, linking rings and cups & balls are even older.............but do you know what?
Message: Posted by: Wravyn (Jun 5, 2013 05:01PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-29 16:35, Merc Man wrote:
The best packet trick of all time, in my honest opinion, has to be Peter Kane's Gypsy's Curse.

Watch this performance by the Dutch Master himself, Mr. Fred Kaps, for Bro. John Hamman and admire the true, unique brilliance of Kaps by performing it in his own, inimitable style (not to mention his own, particular take upon Bro. John's Hamman Count).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufyCwkc0M6I

This, in my honest opinion, is at the absolute pinnacle of packet tricks. Colour Monte isn't fit to clean it's boots! ;)
[/quote]

Thanks for the link.
Message: Posted by: mercedesrules (Jun 9, 2013 04:57PM)
[quote]
On 2013-02-09 16:41, virtualwizard wrote:
Where can I find Henry Evans, Impossible Divination?
[/quote]

......I can't find it either.
Message: Posted by: Macphail (Jun 10, 2013 11:04AM)
Color monte is always a favourite of mine, because it was the first one I learned.
Message: Posted by: Paul (Jun 10, 2013 04:21PM)
[quote]
On 2013-06-10 12:04, macphail wrote:
Color monte is always a favourite of mine, because it was the first one I learned.
[/quote]

Yes, but do you think it the best packet trick of all time?
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Jun 10, 2013 04:32PM)
[quote]
On 2013-06-05 03:28, Merc Man wrote:
Hi MB (great initials by the way). ;)

NFW. - never performed it as, got to be honest, cards turning face up/face down actually make my eyes glaze over. That said, I've always seen rave reviews.

Yep - Gypsy's Curse is an older trick (from the 1970's). That said, linking rings and cups & balls are even older.............[b]but do you know what?[/b]
[/quote]

Thanks Merc, :)

NFW goes by pretty quickly as an effect, nowhere as long as Gypsy Curse. I happen not to like a lot of the effects that bring together way too much twisting and turning either but NFW has a real nice play and feel to it, good movement (not too repetitive at all and it's done way before you begin to glaze-out) :D of the cards toward some really awesome magic. :) It's worth a try and I think you'll love it.

As to Gypsy Curse, well, it's an oldie but goodie for sure. :)
Message: Posted by: george1953 (Jun 11, 2013 08:09AM)
Colour Monte gets my vote.
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Jun 11, 2013 09:06AM)
[quote]
On 2013-06-10 17:21, Paul wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-06-10 12:04, macphail wrote:
Color monte is always a favourite of mine, because it was the first one I learned.
[/quote]

Yes, but do you think it the best packet trick of all time?
[/quote]

Have to agree with your question of this Paul. :)

While Color Monte is a good trick, in a list of best packet trick of all time, though many do the effect, I would think it would not be listed in any legit Top 5 or 10. It may be a "favorite" for many but "Best," I wouldn't think so. I know "Best" is subjective but with all due respect, I think there are a quite a few better than Color Monte. :D Sorta like going to an Audi dealer and falling in love with a Jeep on the lot...I guess it could happen but... :D
Message: Posted by: Macphail (Jun 11, 2013 09:14AM)
[quote]
On 2013-06-10 17:21, Paul wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-06-10 12:04, macphail wrote:
Color monte is always a favourite of mine, because it was the first one I learned.
[/quote]

Yes, but do you think it the best packet trick of all time?
[/quote]

I don't know. I haven't seen every packet trick. But deciding on the criteria would be interesting. Ease of performance, power of the effect, ability to reset quickly, how many sold, how often performed...

I don't really use packet tricks because I don't like spectators seeing obviously gaffed cards and thinking--"well, that's how all tricks work, isn't it? The card can look anyway they like." The great thing about color monte is that it doesn't play around with the standard shapes of the suits and has a stunning close. Sleights are easy, reset brainless, and one can pass everything out for inspection. Plus it's a whimsical take on an old swindle.

Yes, I've talked myself into it...Color monte is the best one of all time (that I know about!) Cheers!

:bikes:
Message: Posted by: Jesse K (Jun 11, 2013 02:15PM)
Any video links to the Color monte? If it is indeed Best of them all.
Sounds like it really would be my new favorite. :D
Message: Posted by: Paul (Jun 11, 2013 09:33PM)
Well, here'a clip to the latest marketed version of the effect:
http://www.previewmagic.com/yedid-jumboquickmonte.html
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Jun 11, 2013 10:15PM)
The Last Trick Of Dr. Jacob Daley is one of the best, because it happens in their hands.
Message: Posted by: Shayde Phoenix (Jun 23, 2013 05:45PM)
There are many great packet tricks out there and it is hard to pick a favorite. But if I have to pick just one, then I choose Nick Trost's "Trick Kards".
Message: Posted by: fregis (Jun 26, 2013 02:28PM)
I love Strange Traveller !
No sleight of hands. Easy to perform.
Message: Posted by: fregis (Jun 26, 2013 02:29PM)
...twisted sisters is nice too
Message: Posted by: TheMag1cian (Jul 7, 2013 12:40PM)
Just off the top of my head and in no particular order. I literally have these in packet cases every time I leave my house.

8 card brainwave
Double Back
Twisted Sisters
Wild Card
ACES (Sanders)
Jesters (Aldo Colombini)
Twisting Aces
Message: Posted by: Paul (Jul 11, 2013 08:36AM)
[quote]
On 2013-07-07 13:40, TheMag1cian wrote:
Just off the top of my head and in no particular order. I literally have these in packet cases every time I leave my house.

8 card brainwave
Double Back
Twisted Sisters
Wild Card
ACES (Sanders)
Jesters (Aldo Colombini)
Twisting Aces
[/quote]

Isn't Jesters Peter Kane's? Where they change color?
Message: Posted by: TheMag1cian (Jul 12, 2013 04:50AM)
[quote]
On 2013-07-11 09:36, Paul wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-07-07 13:40, TheMag1cian wrote:
Just off the top of my head and in no particular order. I literally have these in packet cases every time I leave my house.

8 card brainwave
Double Back
Twisted Sisters
Wild Card
ACES (Sanders)
Jesters (Aldo Colombini)
Twisting Aces
[/quote]

Isn't Jesters Peter Kane's? Where they change color?
[/quote]

I learned it off of Aldo Colombini's "True Magic". It;s the second effect on the DVD I dvd I believe. Extremely visual color changes. Love it.
Message: Posted by: Vlad_77 (Jul 12, 2013 07:25AM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-12 14:56, sohaib wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-03-12 04:23, LobowolfXXX wrote:
[quote]
On 2012-01-13 09:04, magicgettogether wrote:
Trik Cards by Nick Trost
[/quote]

+1. By a mile.
[/quote]

My #1 is still Dazzle, but this is in the Top 10 for sure

Here's a performance for those who haven't seen it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otg8VhR5dwE :)
[/quote]

Hi Sohaib,

I know I have Dazzle, but I don't remember where? Would you mind providing a citation? (I am thinking it is in the Elmsley books, but, maybe not. :( )

BTW, nice work!!!
Message: Posted by: Feral Chorus (Jul 12, 2013 09:09AM)
Vlad ,

You are on the right track. The Dazzle Act is at the end of the Collected Works Vol 2. Dazzle is just part of the act. Page 463.
Message: Posted by: Paul (Jul 12, 2013 04:05PM)
Isn't Jesters Peter Kane's? Where they change color?
[/quote]

I learned it off of Aldo Colombini's "True Magic". It;s the second effect on the DVD I dvd I believe. Extremely visual color changes. Love it.
[/quote]

Yes, it's Peter's. Sometimes called The Court Jesters or Blushing Jokers. One place it can be found is his book "Kane". J. K. Hartman also has a variation which is either in Card Craft or Trickery Treats. Before the book publication I think it appeared in The Last Heirophant with some further thoughts by Jon Racherbaumer. the exact references are probably in that book "Small But Deadly". :0
Message: Posted by: TheMag1cian (Jul 12, 2013 08:43PM)
[quote]
On 2013-07-12 17:05, Paul wrote:
Isn't Jesters Peter Kane's? Where they change color?
[/quote]

I learned it off of Aldo Colombini's "True Magic". It;s the second effect on the DVD I dvd I believe. Extremely visual color changes. Love it.
[/quote]

Yes, it's Peter's. Sometimes called The Court Jesters or Blushing Jokers. One place it can be found is his book "Kane". J. K. Hartman also has a variation which is either in Card Craft or Trickery Treats. Before the book publication I think it appeared in The Last Heirophant with some further thoughts by Jon Racherbaumer. the exact references are probably in that book "Small But Deadly". :0
[/quote]

Wow! Great references. I'll definitely delve in to those. Aldo Colombini says it's one of the few effects with cards that he performs with music. No need for patter due to the exquisite visual element. I combine other effects utilizing jokers such as "prior commitment" (Aronson), "ACE" (Sanders new one), "Full Lotus" (Sankey's "Front Row Sankey" - think paperclipped on steroids using jokers) and currently working on including Colombini's "Jokers Dilemma". "Jesters" is one of my favorite openers at any event.
Message: Posted by: Paul (Jul 16, 2013 12:36PM)
Error in my last post, I referred to The Last Heirophant when I actually meant "Kabbala" Vol. 3
J.K.'s variant IS in "Card Craft" it's called "Second Blush" on p.610.
The original appeared on p. 145 of "Kane".

It is a great packet trick, I used to use it.

Paul.
Message: Posted by: TheMag1cian (Jul 17, 2013 02:56PM)
[quote]
On 2013-07-16 13:36, Paul wrote:
Error in my last post, I referred to The Last Heirophant when I actually meant "Kabbala" Vol. 3
J.K.'s variant IS in "Card Craft" it's called "Second Blush" on p.610.
The original appeared on p. 145 of "Kane".

It is a great packet trick, I used to use it.

Paul.
[/quote]

For some reason I just cant get enough of it. I start with a bit of history about the joker such as how they used to be called "Juker", which comes from the German term "Euchre" back in the 1860's. I go on about how they, for the most part are the most neglected card in the deck (not very popular in card games, etc). This provides the Jesters time to practice their magic. Showing all 4 red jokers (both faces), I ask them to say a magic word to turn each card blue one at a time. I adore turning all of them back to the original colors all at once at the end. Visual, majestic material there. It's got one of those handling's that is so fun that it becomes addictive. Also, what a stunning, visual,jaw dropping opener.
Message: Posted by: TheMag1cian (Jul 17, 2013 03:22PM)
Today I was at a coffee shop and decided to break out my cards. I did Jesters, then ÀCE (Sanders) continuing a storyline and for the finale I busted out my ID, put a joker on top of the case and told them that the joker would perform this trick and turn your favorite card over in the deck without anybody even near it. Anybody ever had a standing ovation in a Second Cup coffee shop? Simple effects and HUGE impact.
Message: Posted by: Paul (Jul 18, 2013 11:21AM)
[/quote]

For some reason I just cant get enough of it. I start with a bit of history about the joker such as how they used to be called "Juker", which comes from the German term "Euchre" back in the 1860's. I go on about how they, for the most part are the most neglected card in the deck (not very popular in card games, etc). This provides the Jesters time to practice their magic. Showing all 4 red jokers (both faces), I ask them to say a magic word to turn each card blue one at a time. I adore turning all of them back to the original colors all at once at the end. Visual, majestic material there. It's got one of those handling's that is so fun that it becomes addictive. Also, what a stunning, visual,jaw dropping opener.
[/quote]

Peter didn't turn them back at the end, the cards were pocketed after changing so at the conclusion you are left with one examinable card on the table should anyone grab for it. Jon Racherbauner suggested turning the colors back in Kabbala.
Message: Posted by: morro3 (Jul 19, 2013 06:48AM)
The Last Trick Of Dr. Jacob Daley for me and all the variations that I do in turn. Really love it.
Message: Posted by: TheMag1cian (Jul 20, 2013 07:27AM)
In case people are wondering what Jesters looks like I posted a youtube video of a random guy doing it although I should just tape myself doing it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0dfWHsd8m4
Message: Posted by: magicdave56 (Jul 20, 2013 01:05PM)
Doc Dougherty used to have a good packet trick out it was call Mirror-Aculous another mirror trick.
Message: Posted by: MRSharpe (Jul 21, 2013 11:05AM)
I agree with what has been said about 'best' and 'favorite' with the former actually being impossible to determine. That being said, I prefer packet tricks which can be done with normal cards culled from a deck. Vernon's Twisting the Aces tops my list. Another, which may not be considered a packet trick, is Immaculate Connection by Fred Harris since it uses normal cards in a very 'unnormal' way. As to packets which can't be culled from an ordinary deck, I really like Trost's 8 Card Brainwave. It is killer when done well. It can also be adapted to seasonal and themed routines with a little work making up a special packet. Finally, I'm finding a method/routine which David Ginn was giving away several years ago. The routine was called 'Magic Safarai' and involved a set of 9 cards with photos of animals from various continents. The method is mathematical and can also be adapted to various themes.
Message: Posted by: MRSharpe (Jul 21, 2013 11:08AM)
And I just realized I misspoke above. I meant to say Paul Harris instead of Fred. I have a friend (non magician) named Fred Harris and his name popped into my mind while typing the post.
Message: Posted by: dj (Jul 25, 2013 06:24PM)
Here is a very nice routine with four Jokers.
"Miracle Jokers":
https://vimeo.com/71053065
Message: Posted by: Kjellstrom (Jul 25, 2013 10:55PM)
ACES by Sanders is now one of my top packet tricks.
Message: Posted by: KokoB (Jul 28, 2013 08:31AM)
Packet tricks are all little stories that is why I love them, There are so many I have learned in the years I have been in Magic I would not know where to begin. Nick Trost by far is my favorite, Karl Fulves has some great packet tricks, Paul Gordon has some fun stuff. Here are some of my picks:
Prediction Gone Wild
Ghost Flight
Trifle
Boxing Aces
Gordon's Aces
Deca Oil & Water
Desperado
& I can list about a hundred more...
Message: Posted by: galerius (Jul 28, 2013 09:18AM)
At the moment my favorite packet effects are

Ghost Buster by Peter Duffie
Sanverted by John Carney
Eight-Card Brainwave by Nick Trost
Message: Posted by: sohaib (Jul 28, 2013 05:22PM)
[quote]
On 2013-07-28 09:31, KokoB wrote:
Packet tricks are all little stories that is why I love them, There are so many I have learned in the years I have been in Magic I would not know where to begin. Nick Trost by far is my favorite, Karl Fulves has some great packet tricks, Paul Gordon has some fun stuff. Here are some of my picks:
Prediction Gone Wild
Ghost Flight
Trifle
Boxing Aces
Gordon's Aces
Deca Oil & Water
Desperado
& I can list about a hundred more...
[/quote]

Ghost Flight is very, very good!
Message: Posted by: sohaib (Jul 28, 2013 05:31PM)
[quote]
On 2013-07-28 10:18, galerius wrote:
At the moment my favorite packet effects are

Ghost Buster by Peter Duffie
Sanverted by John Carney
Eight-Card Brainwave by Nick Trost
[/quote]

Sanverted and Eight-Card Brainwave are classics!

I'll look into Ghost Buster :)
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Jul 28, 2013 05:43PM)
Lately, I've found myself doing a little set that includes 3 of my favorites... :)

I begin with Twisting The Aces, followed by The Daley Trick with a finale of NFW, where I simply say something like, "Let me try a little something with 4 other friends"... The 4 jokers come out and eventually turn back into those 4 aces I started out with.

So first you start out with 4 aces that flip over face up one at a time, then the 2 black aces magically switch places with the 2 red aces in the spec's hands. And then you say enough with these aces, let's try 4 other cards - Jokers, ;) that eventually, impossibly turns back into the 4 aces. :D

Really works pretty well for me. :) All 3 effects can be done individually and would qualify as a classic effect on its own. :) You can't lose! :D
Message: Posted by: galerius (Jul 28, 2013 06:15PM)
[quote]
On 2013-07-28 18:31, sohaib wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-07-28 10:18, galerius wrote:
At the moment my favorite packet effects are

Ghost Buster by Peter Duffie
Sanverted by John Carney
Eight-Card Brainwave by Nick Trost
[/quote]

Sanverted and Eight-Card Brainwave are classics!

I'll look into Ghost Buster :)
[/quote]

Besides being a good one in itself, you can always perform 8CBW as an 'experiment' to test spectator's psychic powers...giving her the idea that she's a good subject to work with, for other effects to follow. At least, I used it this way a couple of times ;)

As for Ghost Buster, yes, give it a try, has a nice final gag !
Message: Posted by: theatfusatfus (Aug 22, 2013 02:24AM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCzFwL1JKh8
Message: Posted by: Arsenal (Sep 9, 2013 12:57PM)
For me:
1. "Jack 4 You" by Masuda
http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S15263
Cards are set on the card stand. Audience chooses one of the suits of the Jacks. (Let's say Hearts) When the magician spreads the cards, only Jack of Hearts is facing the audience. Also the back color of the Jack of Hearts is different from others. Finally, magician reveals the rest of the cards and they are all 4's. (4 of spades, and 4 of clubs)

2. "Stand up Monte" by Garrett Thomas
http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/2547

3. "Spin Doctor" by John Bannon
http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S11479
Message: Posted by: inaciolino (Sep 21, 2013 12:01PM)
I don't know if it could be considered as a Packet Trick but I do like this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVs8a3363GA
Message: Posted by: tcrufus (Oct 12, 2013 06:36AM)
I love Gregory Wilson's trick with the 4, 10, and two Kings...
Message: Posted by: lumberjohn (Oct 12, 2013 06:25PM)
Jumping Gemini.
Message: Posted by: Daniel Morris (Oct 15, 2013 03:34AM)
I love Jumping Gemini and Jazz Aces.
Message: Posted by: Gleemax17 (Nov 9, 2013 04:38AM)
Love the Four Card Trick by Alex Elmsley. It's simple, easy to follow and has a great climax! Also you end clean!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1X1QrvuVGU
Message: Posted by: sohaib (Nov 9, 2013 09:25PM)
This thread has come so far!

still Dazzle by Alex Elmsley for me!

I'm working on a version where the cards can be examined
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Nov 9, 2013 09:39PM)
B'Wave
Duplicity
Capitulating Queens
Twisting the Aces
Headhunter
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Nov 10, 2013 03:03AM)
Long thread, hard to answer.
I would have to say my favorite is a tie between Twisting The Aces/Doc Daley Last Trick and Alex Elmsleys 4 card trick. Reasoning... Twisting was the first packet trick I ever learned (from an old vhs from Magic Max) and the 4 card trick was the first trick I learned from a book. (also love knowing the history behind it and that it is still VERY IMPRESSIVE for being around almost 100 years)

Beyond that, I am just a huge fan of packet tricks. Color Monte still makes me smile. Anything by Emerson and West is a winner. John Bannon kicks butt with any packet trick he puts out. Twins by Bro. John Hamman is a great storyline. I could go on forever but will stop for now.

I do wonder though, is Sam The Bellhop a really long packet trick? Just a thought. :)
Message: Posted by: Paul (Nov 10, 2013 09:07AM)
I wouldn't consider Sam the Bellhop a packet trick at all seeing it uses the full deck.
Message: Posted by: TheMag1cian (Nov 10, 2013 07:17PM)
Here are my pics: In no order:

Double Back (Jon Allen)
Twisted Sisters (John Bannon)
ACE (Richard Sanders)
8 Card Brainwave (Trost)
Jesters (Aldo Colombini)
Wild Card
Message: Posted by: AdamChance (Nov 10, 2013 07:36PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-09 05:38, Gleemax17 wrote:
Love the Four Card Trick by Alex Elmsley. It's simple, easy to follow and has a great climax! Also you end clean!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1X1QrvuVGU
[/quote]

I like this handling ... thanks for posting the video
Message: Posted by: Gleemax17 (Nov 11, 2013 12:43AM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-10 20:36, AdamChance wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-11-09 05:38, Gleemax17 wrote:
Love the Four Card Trick by Alex Elmsley. It's simple, easy to follow and has a great climax! Also you end clean!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1X1QrvuVGU
[/quote]

I like this handling ... thanks for posting the video
[/quote]

You are welcome, feel free to use it!
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Nov 12, 2013 10:17PM)
MegaWave
Message: Posted by: algebraic (Nov 14, 2013 09:06AM)
My favorites, in no particular order, are:

Double Back
Twisting The Aces
NFW

My favorite book on the topic is "Small But Deadly", by Paul Hallas. Paul was kind enough to sign my copy for me.
Message: Posted by: stevemorton (Nov 22, 2013 11:43AM)
^^^^
I'd agree with algebraic.
I will add, get a few gaffed decks. You'll have many packet tricks, and you can make your own.
This may have been said before, didn't read the whole thread, so apologies.
Steve
Message: Posted by: sohaib (Nov 23, 2013 06:08PM)
[quote]
On 2013-11-14 10:06, algebraic wrote:
My favorites, in no particular order, are:

Double Back
Twisting The Aces
NFW

My favorite book on the topic is "Small But Deadly", by Paul Hallas. Paul was kind enough to sign my copy for me.

[/quote]

Paul's book is a mini-Bible on the subject
Fun to read over and over
He has a 2nd one too, which I need to order
Message: Posted by: Tim Hughes (Nov 27, 2013 06:00AM)
Another vote for Alex Elmsley's Dazzle - I had some cards made up to get the contrasts. Also Gypsy Curse - great effect.
Message: Posted by: mellanp (Jun 19, 2014 02:35PM)
I'm surprised no one mentioned Rabbit Roulette by Steve Dusheck, a packet trick which is wonderful for children and adults. Secondly, Ron Frost's packet effects are always top notch , such as Coincimentally Perfect or Seeing Stars. Paul Hallas also very recently just came out with a wonderful packet trick for children called Wolf at the Door, based on the Three Little Pigs Story!
Message: Posted by: nattefrost (Jun 19, 2014 05:23PM)
NFW
4 Times A Charm (Martini's Magic)
Message: Posted by: Martijn van Berkel (Jun 24, 2014 04:09PM)
I use 2 packet tricks all the time:

Double Back (Jon Allen)
Stickmen (Richard Sanders) -> Also great for kids
Message: Posted by: BitterBrewerAZ (Jun 25, 2014 10:15AM)
While I probably havn't seen a large fraction of the packet tricks that you guys have, I do own a few and my absolute favorite is NFW by Gary Freed. This was also the first packet trick to teach me the Elmsley count so not only was I getting great reactions, I was learning an important slight. I just purchased John Bannon's newer book and look forward to the packet tricks contained in it. Any recommendations?
Message: Posted by: magic_man_jim (Jul 1, 2014 09:24PM)
I know it was mentioned a while ago on this long thread. But I have to say the amazing Tommy Wonder version to wild card (tamed card) not only is a great packet trick I have been using for years, it also adds a lot of psychology and "out of the frame" thinking that I think a lot more magicians should be working. Not just perfecting a trick but making a whole experience for not only your direct spectators but others who could be watching that you are unaware of.

Also to the response of the canned crowd on the DVD of Tommy wonder...yes it is a lot of the same people in the LL dvds. But having watched a LOT of these dvds, you can still tell which routines really fry this canned crowd. Tamed card is one of them
Message: Posted by: tobajer (Sep 4, 2014 05:04AM)
[quote]On Nov 9, 2013, sohaib wrote:
This thread has come so far!

still Dazzle by Alex Elmsley for me!

I'm working on a version where the cards can be examined [/quote]

Where can you get Dazzle from - online with international postage ?
Message: Posted by: inigmntoya (Sep 4, 2014 08:31AM)
[quote]On Jun 25, 2014, BitterBrewerAZ wrote:
I just purchased John Bannon's newer book and look forward to the packet tricks contained in it. Any recommendations? [/quote]

Which "newer" Bannon book? High Caliber? Two of my current Bannon favorites that are in there are Royal Scam and B'rainiac.
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Sep 4, 2014 11:12AM)
[quote]On Sep 4, 2014, inigmntoya wrote:
[quote]On Jun 25, 2014, BitterBrewerAZ wrote:
I just purchased John Bannon's newer book and look forward to the packet tricks contained in it. Any recommendations? [/quote]

Which "newer" Bannon book? High Caliber? Two of my current Bannon favorites that are in there are Royal Scam and B'rainiac. [/quote]

And add Short Attention Spin and Spin Doctor to the list.
Message: Posted by: J Christensen (Sep 8, 2014 07:12AM)
Twisting the Aces and Twisted Sisters are my two candidates. Great audience response to both.
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Sep 12, 2014 04:52PM)
I've been doing Twisting The Aces quite exclusively a bit lately and it's been playing rather well for me, all the card trick I need. Why?

Well, it's just the perfect little gaffless effect. Easy to do, and lends itself greatly to your own good presentation of the little trick, plus some nice-enough moves to it. People are always progressively amazed by it with every turn of the cards. Wonder how The Professor came up with such a trick. Must've taken a lot of figurin' back then, but he sure figured it out to become a classic, still to this day. :)
Message: Posted by: MichaelJae (Sep 15, 2014 09:46AM)
I get the best reactions with Panic by Aaron Fisher and Double Back by Jon Alan.
Message: Posted by: nattefrost (Sep 17, 2014 09:53PM)
Panic is an awesome effect, but it is not considered a packet effect.
Message: Posted by: DigaMag (Sep 20, 2014 02:35PM)
Simplex monte by alakazam is absolutely a winner for me....
Message: Posted by: AlexanderS (Sep 21, 2014 02:50AM)
If the pack of cards is gaffed I would go for:
- Strange Travelers
- Druck Zuck by Card Shark (basically a wild card routine where you print cards in the funniest way possible - I am really in love with this one :D )
or - Do As I Do

If the there are only a few cards and they are ungaffed, I would take four cards and go for a coin matrix! :P

Your's,
Alexander
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Sep 28, 2014 11:33AM)
[quote]On Sep 20, 2014, DigaMag wrote:
Simplex monte by alakazam is absolutely a winner for me.... [/quote]

This is truly a powerful effect, especially when done with the 4 Card presentation in the video. I've seen it done that way live and it is just impossible looking and really clean. The other presentations of it are more eye-candy-ish, but a bit too magical as to drawing unnecessary attention. Wish it was cheaper. :D
Message: Posted by: john oleson (Oct 7, 2014 04:45PM)
Is there a list of all these effects like in other discussions? Couldn't find.

Thx .. john oleson from tropical Michigan
Message: Posted by: Darius666 (Oct 15, 2014 11:48AM)
John Bannons is the don when it come to packet tricks. They are all dynamite but my favourite is probably Royal Scam, which is my most used one.

A great packet trick I recently got which has joined it in my set is The Full Monty by Liam Montier. This is certainly in my top two along with Royal Scam, it's that good!!

http://www.tricktastic.com/product-p/trick015.htm
Message: Posted by: nattefrost (Oct 19, 2014 05:12PM)
I mentioned this before in one of these threads, but has anyone ever heard of "Four Times A Charm" from Martini's Magic? I have only seen it sold on his website, not sure if it is made by him....I am at work right now and do not have it in front of me but I believe it says it's from "ZAP Magic". Anyway, it is probably one of my favorites, and I have well over 100 packet effects, maybe more. It involves an envelope with a hole in it, some of the cards are gaffed, and it is self-working.
Message: Posted by: Thorn (Oct 20, 2014 10:48PM)
I don't own much packet tricks. For gaff and un-gaff packet tricks, I would say my favorite ungaff trick is Jumping Geminis and my favorite gaff trick is Poker Test. The reaction from these packet tricks are unbelievable.
Message: Posted by: khuzhai (Oct 27, 2014 10:49AM)
Oil and water ungaffed.
color diffusion for a quick laugh
Message: Posted by: kwarren (Nov 5, 2014 10:51PM)
Is anyone familiar with Paul Diamonds "Caged Lion?"

The basic effect is a selected animal card (a lion) disappears and reappears inside a previously shown empty cage card. (Similar to Tenyo 's Wild Wallet).
I found this trick on the big auction site and was wondering if anyone knew when this trick was first releast.

Thanks,
Kirk
Message: Posted by: Brian Thomas (Nov 14, 2014 02:44PM)
I will always have a soft spot for two packet effects published in 1979 by Phil Goldstein...Snow and Cycle. I was just getting serious about learning back then and these two $4 packet tricks (purchased at a local magic shop) opened doors in my mind. They introduced me to counts (EC and JC) and spreads (AS). I quickly figured out that mastering these three techniques allowed me to amaze my friends and family with cards taken from any deck of cards in almost any sitting. After that I turned to books over packets, but I did buy a few more over the years...I recall Jokers Wild and Color Monte, the latter purchased in person from Jim Temple himself...he was at the before mentioned magic shop giving a lecture. It was a privilege to meet him...but that's another story for another time I suppose. Anyways...I was so fond of Color Monte that I did repurchase it when the Bicycle version came out.
Message: Posted by: Mortimer Graves (Dec 14, 2014 11:10PM)
Doug Conn's [i]Plastic Surgery[/i], without a doubt. It's the coolest thing I've ever had the pleasure of seeing and performing. I thought I knew how magic worked (I was young and foolish then, I feel old and foolish now), and he destroyed me with this.

If I were stuck in the middle of nowhere with a choice of only one card trick, this would have to be be it.
Message: Posted by: stickmondoo (Mar 29, 2015 05:57AM)
One of my Favourite packet tricks is Twist till it hurts by Geoff Latta. It's the first card trick I learnt. It's in Apocolypse. I have changed the cards used and handling a bit but it's a great trick and I love it.
Message: Posted by: george1953 (Mar 29, 2015 07:33AM)
Mine is Cascade, its the first packet trick I learned. That was in Davenports when it was by the British museum, I was lucky enough to be taught it by the wonderful Pat Page, good memories.
Message: Posted by: warren (Mar 29, 2015 11:18AM)
Whilst there are many fantastic packet effects out for me it has to be Weighted Aces by Gregory Wilson, which is basically Dr Daley's last trick but with two phases the reason being you start clean, you end clean and best and most importantly the magic happens in the spectators hands.
Message: Posted by: dleiber (Mar 30, 2015 04:31AM)
George1953, is the Cascade you mention the same as Roy Walton's Cascade?
Message: Posted by: gvinson (Mar 30, 2015 02:44PM)
I second Royal Scam!
Message: Posted by: silvercup (Mar 30, 2015 03:20PM)
2 card pick a card.
Message: Posted by: stickmondoo (Apr 1, 2015 04:02AM)
Has anyone mentioned Bullet Party by Mr Bannon? Got to get a vote ü
Message: Posted by: Hondo88 (Apr 2, 2015 12:36PM)
ACE, Twisted Sisters, and NFW. This thread is a great resource for more packet tricks to check out. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: dleiber (Apr 6, 2015 03:22AM)
"Dr. Bob's Acrobatic Cards" is another of my favorites. I don't know how well-known it is, though, since few people ever mention it and it's tough to find to buy.
Message: Posted by: terrillific (Apr 17, 2015 11:52AM)
DoubleBack by Jon Allen really smacks people with a Wow.
Message: Posted by: Proximo (Apr 25, 2015 02:31PM)
Lately I've been having fun with Cameron Francis' Troublemakers and Printing the Aces.
Message: Posted by: Hudson892 (Apr 26, 2015 03:30PM)
My absolute favourite is 'B'raniac' by John Bannon. Never leave the house without it
Message: Posted by: trent_hardcore (Jun 2, 2015 09:13PM)
Bannon's 'Royal Scam'. Hands down, nothing compares.
Message: Posted by: Griflex (Jul 18, 2015 01:27PM)
Daryl's Jumping Jacks and followed by Fiedler's Flier.. Fun tricks with great interaction with the spectator :)
Message: Posted by: 7202Magic (Jul 21, 2015 11:39AM)
Poker Test 2.0 is fantastic
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Jul 27, 2015 09:32PM)
[quote]On Jun 2, 2015, trent_hardcore wrote:
Bannon's 'Royal Scam'. Hands down, nothing compares. [/quote]
You're kidding right?
Message: Posted by: Rocky (Aug 3, 2015 02:21PM)
[quote]On Jul 27, 2015, magicfish wrote:
[quote]On Jun 2, 2015, trent_hardcore wrote:
Bannon's 'Royal Scam'. Hands down, nothing compares. [/quote]
You're kidding right? [/quote]

He's expressing an opinion. I don't believe this is meant as an overall statement to unequivocally denounce every packet trick to be inferior to "Royal Scam". trent_hardcore has probably found that in his experience with performing packet tricks, nothing compares to the reactions, or the enjoyment, he gets in performing this effect.

Frankly, the snobbish replies from those who feel like they are the definitive authorities on all subject matter in the world of magic are usually a sign of a magician who spends more time critiquing others and hardly no time actually performing...just my opinion.
Message: Posted by: brianlunch (Aug 16, 2015 08:24AM)
Royal Scam-John Bannon is my personal favourite, I just love everything about the effect.
Message: Posted by: ThePhoenix (Aug 25, 2015 11:33AM)
The "Best" hmmmm not easy. This is a subset of my favorites;

Royal Scam (Bannon)
Too Many Cards Derek Dingle (very nice trick!)
The Power of Poker (Bannon)
Spin Doctor (Bannon)
Ten Cards Poker Deal (Lorayne)
and many many others...Duplicity (Bannon...again), Twisting the Aces (Vernon), Moder Jazz Aces (Ortiz), The Homing Card (Hugard),etc.

Mike
Message: Posted by: ThePhoenix (Aug 25, 2015 11:35AM)
And "The four Card Trick" in honor of Alex Elmsley for his famous false count...
Message: Posted by: conjurus_maximus (Aug 25, 2015 08:53PM)
Pink floyd by Michael Close. Used to do it a lot. Has a satisfying method.
Message: Posted by: Doug Doane (Aug 26, 2015 04:17AM)
OK. My first post for the Café after lurking for a few years. In a previous lifetime, around 1978-81, I worked at Magic, Inc. pulling orders and doing counter demos. I also worked at most of Chicago's magic bars; "Mr. C's Magic Lounge", "Little Bit 'O Magic" "The Magic Touch" and the premiere one, "The New York Lounge". I was fortunate to work with some great magicians; Bill Malone, Jim Molinari, Randy Wakeman, Terry Veckey, Bill Weimer, Heba Haba Al and the rest of the gang. Back then my repertoire across the bar for packet tricks were Twisting the Aces, Gypsy Curse, Oil and Water, Trost's Hot Dog Trick and 8 Card Brainwave, Cervon's Dirty Deal, Vernon's Variant, Dr. Daly's Last Trick and everybody's favorite, Color Monte.

Then I changed outfits and for the next 25 years performed standup comedy, owned a couple of comedy clubs in the Chicago area, went to NYC, wound up touring with Jay Leno for a bit, did some TV spots, wrote comedy for others, lived in the Caribbean for a few years, and finally settled in Orlando, FL. One day I woke up divorced with a bum back and realized I was getting old and burned out from years of touring, so I moved to Southern California for a change of scenery.

A couple of years ago I blew the dust off of my old close up case, perused my magic library and went back to performing close-up. These are my new favorite packet tricks. I don't think I've seen some of them mentioned in this thread yet. They are a bit obscure but still deliver a wallop.

Twisted Aces, by Daryl - Paul Harris Reveal His Most Intimate Secrets, pg. 86. This has replaced my standard Twisting the Aces routine. It's the same concept and presentation except for the vanish and revelation of the last ace face up in the deck sitting away from the packet, which is a real crowd stunner the instant you snap that card spread out.

NFW - I've seen this one mentioned quite a bit in here. I keep it loaded in a deck of Jokers. I tell the audience that I normally don't use Jokers in my routines, only the regular 52 cards, but I go through so many decks of cards each week, that I wound up with decks of unused Jokers...so I finally decided to create an effect using just the Jokers. I show them the faces of the Joker deck, turn it over and cull off NFW. It makes for a great way to introduce the routine plus you get a good call back if you done any previous 4 ace effects.

Masque by Max Maven - This was a dealer pamphlet years ago and it's now included in Max's wonderful book of packet tricks, Focus, pg. 135. I completely rewrote the patter for this, turning it into a World War I spy story, which allows me to use an incredibly bad French accent as part of the humor.

Thumb Fun by Sid Lorraine. This was also a dealer item from the 70's. I found another set on Ebay, then discovered David Ginn had bought up all of Sid's inventory and I snagged another set from him. Now I see that Lybrary.com is offering it in digital download. This one kills. I don't know why the appearance of your thumbprint causes lay audiences to gasp, but I dig gasping audiences. It's the silent audiences I hate. If you know how to use Photoshop and an inkjet printer to make your own gaffs and custom cards, print up some Thumb Fun cards on full-size Bikes.

B'Wave by Max Maven - A dealer item I see is also very popular in this thread. I have this one on me all the of time. This is the only packet trick that I insist in bringing it out in a plastic card wallet. I lay it on the table and build the story long before I ever open it up and take the cards out. It's one of the few effects I do that I haven't loaded up with my comedy writing. IMHO, it's just too good to try and turn it into a comedy bit.

Oil and Queens by Roy Walton - The Complete Walton, Vol. 1, pg. 6. What can I say? It's classic Walton, it's fun, it kills.

Day For Night by Max Maven - Magick, by Bascom Jones, Issue 236, pg. 1179. I went searching for a packet trick using a regular deck of ESP cards and found this gem by Max hidden in the middle of an old Magick issue from about 1982. Only 8 cards are used but it builds nicely into a prediction kicker nobody sees coming.

Boy Meets Girl - Dealer item still floating around. It's a bunch of gaffed cards that have the male and female sex symbols printed on them. You're limited to your own imagination on what you can do with them. I made up a bunch of stuff; Wild Card, some Trost routines, etc. Nice change of pace for old card routines with new story possibilities.

Alien Abduction - Dealer Item. I wound up with a couple sets of these from two different auctions I won on Ebay...so I rewrote the routine into my own presentation with a partially combined set.

Anyway, these are some of the packet tricks I'm having fun with now. Nice to meet everybody. Maybe I'll bump into some old familiar faces. I enjoy reading the posts in this place. It's good to be back where my roots in entertainment began. Tip the veal and try the waitstaff...
Message: Posted by: magicbrady (Sep 13, 2015 11:57PM)
Doug, I really like the way you introduce the multiple jokers. I like the idea of multiple jokers for my jazz aces routine (instead of random spot cards). I like that with jokers I can show each joker before it disappears and then reappears the same. If not jokers, one value disappears and a different value re-appears. The problem with my version is why do I have four jokers. I think your introduction is reasonable and gets me past that hurdle. Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Doug Doane (Sep 14, 2015 01:58PM)
[quote]On Sep 14, 2015, magicbrady wrote:
Doug, I really like the way you introduce the multiple jokers. I like the idea of multiple jokers for my jazz aces routine (instead of random spot cards). I like that with jokers I can show each joker before it disappears and then reappears the same. If not jokers, one value disappears and a different value re-appears. The problem with my version is why do I have four jokers. I think your introduction is reasonable and gets me past that hurdle. Thanks! [/quote]

You're welcome, but introducing gaffs from a deck of cards is far from my original idea. Magicians have been doing it...forever. I got the idea from reading, Bob Cassidy I believe, who introduced his Princess Card effect from the top of a regular deck of cards. It just made sense to me do the same with NFW from a pack made up of unused collected Jokers. You can fan the Jokers, pull some out, let the audience examine them, etc. to put their mind at ease that these are plain old, rarely used Jokers. I thought it was a better way to introduce NFW into the show than bringing out that little plastic wallet, which IMHO, has the potential to telegraph to a lay audience "special cards". I choreographed a few 4 Ace effects early in the close-up performance; productions, assembly, collectors, twisting, packet, etc., stuff that can flow one into another so the audience gets conditioned to seeing 4 Aces in mircales, before going onto other card, coins or magical effects in the middle of the performance. I'll finish by pulling out my deck of Jokers, go into my story of "what do I do with all of these Jokers?", then NFW, and you have a great call-back with the ending and a patter of something along the lines of "Shall we go back to the Aces?"

IMHO, learning to choreograph your routines so they not only flow between each other but have that traditional 3 part theatrical structure of strong, establishing opening, entertaining middle, and the very best at the finish, is just as important as learning sleights and writing good patter. I have dozens of close-up "shows" I can do, each different, but all structured the same. (The same for my standup comedy shows; 3 part choreograph) No matter what style of magic you perform, you want to strive to be a magical entertainer first and foremost...otherwise, you're just somebody doing tricks...
Message: Posted by: 453rob (Sep 14, 2015 08:57PM)
I like B'voque by Mark Elsdon. Certainly the same effect as B'wave but uses ungimmicked cards and a different and clever patter. And of course Color Monte and NFW. I also like Pter Nardi's Along for the Ride.
Message: Posted by: magicbrady (Sep 14, 2015 11:47PM)
Although very easy to do, Twisted Sisters is always a hit. Very nice routine and plays strong for laymen.
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Sep 15, 2015 07:36PM)
As it often happens in our profession, things change. As of Saturday September 12th, mine has changed to an effect utilising Card-Sharks newly released "Magneato Cards" (the big question is, which of the many effects?). There are several that will fit the bill. Stay tuned. :-)
Message: Posted by: bigfoot (Sep 15, 2015 09:37PM)
I still think one of the best is Cardboard Chameleons (Daryl), So much magic so few cards and totally examinable. If we count packet routines just from a regular deck Reset (Paul Harris) is a hit as well as Too Many Cards (Derek Dingle).
One other comes to mind but for the life of me I cannot recall the name of it. But it was great cards with different colored circles printed on them were shown one by one and placed on the table. When the cards were turned over they were colored squares. Doesn't sound like much but it always played well.
Message: Posted by: martyjacobs (Sep 17, 2015 08:29AM)
I too think "Cardboard Chameleons" is one of the best packet tricks ever invented (you can see an almost flawless performance of it by Glen Guldbeck in the video below):

[youtube]a3y_X71ra_8[/youtube]

I bought it directly from Daryl a few years ago, and, although it's not easy, it isn't as difficult as most people think (once you have the counts down pat).

I'm also a big fan of almost any packet trick by [url=http://www.peterduffie.co.uk/etricks.htm]Peter Duffie[/url].

However, my favourite is "The Last Trick of Dr. Jacob Daley". I have, believe it or not, around 50 variations of this plot in my notebooks. You can learn one of them called "Big Bullet Monte" on my blog:

[url=http://wp.me/P3aDns-N]http://wp.me/P3aDns-N[/url]

To access the page, you'll need to enter a password. The password is the answer to the following question: Which book can Daley's routine "The Cavorting Aces" be found in? Enter the password as one word (all lower-case).
Message: Posted by: William Dee (Sep 25, 2015 04:58PM)
I have a hard time saying only one as Emerson West put out so many great routines. The (w)hole card, Ace In The Hole, know Fu Ling, the Star Wars trick come to mind. I'm not sure all of those are Emerson West but just a few I really think are fantastic.
Message: Posted by: Sixten (Sep 26, 2015 06:36AM)
Another vote for Mr. John Cornelius' masterpiece: "Marked for Life"
(For those, of you, who are not familiar...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj5DX3zJ5tw

And on Mr. Ammar's DVD: "Classic Renditions #4": http://www.penquinmagic.com/p/S4343

Or, from Michael's site: www.ammarmagic.com/roll-over-aces-classic-renditions-4-dv.html (It's the 2nd. effect)

Enjoy!
:)
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Oct 7, 2015 05:58AM)
Did You Get The Odd One? - Randy Wakeman
Message: Posted by: emanuele (Oct 7, 2015 01:10PM)
Uuuuuh, I can't only pick one :P

First off I do not like that much packet tricks that come from anything different than a deck of cards, so all my packets get ready and taken off the main pack. This also means I have never played around with gaffed cards effects.

With that in mind...I have to say my top 4 have to be

-Look, an Illusion! (awesome effect by Larry Jennings, spectators chooses a card and it's lost in the deck. Performer takes the first 4 cards of the pack, and then proceeds to create an illusion where all 4 cards are copies of the selection. Then one last card, the Joker let's say, gets added from the deck to try and break the illusion. But now 4 out of 5 cards appear to be the Joker, with just 1 copy of the selection! You discard the joker, and straight out change the 4 cards into the four Kings)

-Queens at the bar (actually I do NOT remember the name or origin of this one. Basically it's a story packet trick with 4 cards, where you tell the story about a couple of kings with their spouses going into a bar, and things happen. The 4 cards first are displayed as 2 black kings and 2 black queens, then displayed again as 2 black kings and 2 red queens, then 2 black queens and 2 red queens and so on, in line with the patter. I think I saw Bill Malone do this once and it's where I got floored by it and started doing it. If anyone knows the origin or credits please tell me!)

-Jazz Aces (by Darwin Ortiz, great packet Ace Assembly with...jazz ending!)

And as a lot of others have said,

-Dr. Daley's Last Trick (I'm guessing everyone knows it - I use the variation "Be honest, what is it" that keeps the deck in hand of the performer)
Message: Posted by: MagieFraudster (Oct 8, 2015 03:40PM)
Don't know if it counts as a packet trick since it also uses a 6-sided die, but I love Dice Man by Andy Nyman.
Message: Posted by: Paul (Oct 8, 2015 03:54PM)
[quote]On Oct 8, 2015, MagieFraudster wrote:
Don't know if it counts as a packet trick since it also uses a 6-sided die, but I love Dice Man by Andy Nyman. [/quote]

Yeah, it qualifies :) Loooong time since I used that one. :spoon:
Message: Posted by: MagieFraudster (Oct 9, 2015 08:35PM)
I was well familiar with Luke Rhinehart's "The Dice Man" novels before I ever heard of Nyman's effect, and it fits well with my "mad scientist" stage persona. I've also experimented with a version that the gaff is the die instead of the cards...
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Oct 9, 2015 09:15PM)
[quote]On Oct 7, 2015, emanuele wrote:

-Queens at the bar (actually I do NOT remember the name or origin of this one. Basically it's a story packet trick with 4 cards, where you tell the story about a couple of kings with their spouses going into a bar, and things happen. The 4 cards first are displayed as 2 black kings and 2 black queens, then displayed again as 2 black kings and 2 red queens, then 2 black queens and 2 red queens and so on, in line with the patter. I think I saw Bill Malone do this once and it's where I got floored by it and started doing it. If anyone knows the origin or credits please tell me!)

[/quote]

Twins - Brother John Hamman (commonly mistakenly called Gemini Twins which is a Karl Fulves effect) to the best of my knowledge
Message: Posted by: magicbrady (Oct 10, 2015 12:05AM)
Twins is amazing. I first saw it at the magic castle and was also floored. I had to learn it. Really good!
Message: Posted by: lumagic (Oct 13, 2015 02:28AM)
My favorites Ace by Richard Sanders Extrem burn and Strange Travelers
Message: Posted by: emanuele (Oct 13, 2015 01:47PM)
[quote]On Oct 9, 2015, Poof-Daddy wrote:
[quote]On Oct 7, 2015, emanuele wrote:

-Queens at the bar (actually I do NOT remember the name or origin of this one. Basically it's a story packet trick with 4 cards, where you tell the story about a couple of kings with their spouses going into a bar, and things happen. The 4 cards first are displayed as 2 black kings and 2 black queens, then displayed again as 2 black kings and 2 red queens, then 2 black queens and 2 red queens and so on, in line with the patter. I think I saw Bill Malone do this once and it's where I got floored by it and started doing it. If anyone knows the origin or credits please tell me!)

[/quote]

Twins - Brother John Hamman (commonly mistakenly called Gemini Twins which is a Karl Fulves effect) to the best of my knowledge [/quote]

Thank you so very much for the source!!
At least now I can go and try and find the original to study :)
Message: Posted by: Brad Jeffers (Nov 22, 2015 04:20AM)
[quote]On Sep 26, 2015, Sixten wrote:
Another vote for Mr. John Cornelius' masterpiece: "Marked for Life"
For those, of you, who are not familiar...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj5DX3zJ5tw [/quote]

Watch the above performance of "Marked for Life" and then watch [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el-cCJEMLtQ]THIS VIDEO[/url] of "Shock Twist" by Gary Jones. Aren't these the same thing?

They seem the same to me, both being inferior presentations of Derek Dingle's "We'll Twist".
Message: Posted by: Paul (Nov 22, 2015 09:39AM)
[/quote]
Watch the above performance of "Marked for Life" and then watch [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el-cCJEMLtQ]THIS VIDEO[/url] of "Shock Twist" by Gary Jones. Aren't these the same thing? They seem the same to me, both being inferior presentations of Derek Dingle's "We'll Twist". [/quote]

They do look very similar in overall effect. But I'm sure there are differences, Gary must have a reason for putting the cards behind his back, for instance. I wouldn't call John's an inferior "presentation" his story patter is a very well thought out presentation for this type of effect. Both performances get better reactions than when I saw Derek perform "We'll Twist" , though that might be because Derek was performing for magicians at the time.

I mentioned a slightly different approach to Derek's routine in my packet trick book "Small But Deadly" in the twisting chapter(p. 60 in the U.S. edition) but you'd still need Derek's book to fully understand the routine. Lots of the twisting routines both implicit and explicit seem very similar.

At the end of the day none of these three are or were ever in my repertoire so they didn't make my best top ten list, nor best twisting effects, though I played around and tinkered with Derek's at one point.
Message: Posted by: Aljaz Son (Nov 22, 2015 01:11PM)
I also have a preference to start a packet trick from a shuffled deck.

My favourites are:

- TalSpin by John Gustaferro from his Brainstorm Vol.2 DVD.
- Bizzare Prequel by John G., also from BS Vol.2
- Oil and Queens by Roy walton, which leads me into The Visitor by Lary Jennings (technically not a packet trick)

I do have one gimmicked packet trick I do a lot of times:

- Twisted Sisters by John Bannon which never fails to deliver.
Message: Posted by: carlyle (Nov 22, 2015 03:48PM)
I like packet tricks, but also mostly enjoy the ones with a standard deck (or work out a switch for the gaffs).

I've been really having fun with James Swain's "The Capitulating Queens". I love it - very visual, you can do a lot with a few cards. I did alter the handling, possibly for the worse - I use the A, 2, 3 and 4 of clubs and just start the transformations in numerical order (the ace is first to change, then see what the 2 does, etc.). The free-choice idea is gone, but for me it seems easier to follow. I love color-changing effects, and this is one of my favourites so far.

"Invisibull" by J. K. Hartman is also nice. Uses the deck as well, but only as set-up and clean-up. Very fun trick, love the surprise ending - seems like three cards disappear, but you're already a few steps ahead.
Message: Posted by: tvmikek (Nov 22, 2015 05:03PM)
I'll add another vote for Bannon's Twisted Sisters. People are always floored when they see it. If done correctly, it looks like a miracle.

I also get surprising reaction from a packet trick that someone gave me as a gift...Flipped, Marked and Mirrored. I wasn't sure this would play well, but it did! People always respond well to that one too.
Message: Posted by: Brad Jeffers (Nov 23, 2015 02:48AM)
[quote]On Nov 22, 2015, Paul wrote:
They do look very similar in overall effect. I wouldn't call John's an inferior "presentation". [/quote]

Perhaps I should have used the term inferior handling rather than inferior presentation, as the handling in both "Shock Twist" and "Marked for Life" (which are identical) can be clearly shown as inferior to the original Derek Dingle handling in "We'll Twist"; whereas if one is to limit the definition of presentation to the patter used, then it becomes a matter of personal preference as to which is best.

[quote] I'm sure there are differences, Gary must have had a reason for putting the cards behind his back, for instance.[/quote]

I'm sure he did, however it's a terrible thing to do. No trick should include a moment where you place the props behind your back. I mean REALLY!

Dingle uses Ken Krenzel's Mechanical Reverse to set the cards. Jones sets them by putting them behind his back. Quite an improvement?!

At the start of the trick, Dingle uses an elegant false count to show four blue backs. It's not easy, but it is very convincing. Jones totally eliminates this. The backs of the cards are not seen until the cards are removed from behind the back and the reversals begin to take place.

And I will mention that Dingle's show of the four blue backs is not just an arbitrary thing. It's nicely constructed into the routine.

Replacing the Ace, Two, Three & Four as used in "We'll Twist" with the four Sevens is no improvement, in fact, seems detrimental to the effect.

Finally, I think the simple elegance of having the blue backs change to red is better than having them change to four different backed cards (actually only three change, one card retains the original blue back), or having them become "marked cards".

Ironically, in Jones's presentation of "Shock Twist" he says "In a moment I'm going to make each one of these sevens turn over. Now there's two ways I can do this, the easy way or the hard way. Which would you rather see, the easy way or the hard way?"

In magic simplicity of method is often a virtue, however sometimes in trying to replace the difficult with the easy, something beautiful gets lost in the translation.

... and Dingle's patter is better too! :kermit:
Message: Posted by: Paul (Nov 23, 2015 08:57AM)
:) Brad, if the routines don't credit Dingle they were probably independent creations. Patter presentations are never "one fits all". The Marked for Life patter which many liked never really appealed to me. I don't recall Derek's patter, I'd have to look it up if its included in the book. I certainly mentioned the routine in my book because the explicit approach is superior to the implied twisting in many twisting routines.I agree the Dingle routine is better construction and the ace to four rather than four of a kind adds clarity. However, the other routines clearly get good reactions still from lay people, who don't seem to care about trick construction. Sometimes the subtleties we add to routines to make them better the spectators have the audacity to overlook!

I think Gary's routine came out during the multi color back climax revival sparked by John Bannon. Many newcomers were unaware that had been used in the seventies too.

Whilst for the most part I agree about "behind the back stuff" I think there can be exceptions if you have good motivation for it.
Message: Posted by: Aljaz Son (Nov 23, 2015 09:41AM)
Paul,

I would always include credit, especially if I independently created something which is very similar or identical to another creation already on the market. But maybe that is just me?

Brad,

"In magic simplicity of method is often a virtue, however sometimes in trying to replace the difficult with the easy, something beautiful gets lost in the translation."

I couldn't have said it better.

All the best
Aljaž
Message: Posted by: Paul (Nov 23, 2015 12:58PM)
Alzaz, I completely agree with you about credit, as would I, I never suggested otherwise (as anyone who has read my books will know).

To give credit, of course, one has to be aware of the other routines in question. It is possible these other routines were created independently without knowledge of Derek's routine. Certainly, John Cornelius's routine has been around almost as long as Dingle's if not longer! In fact, I never mentioned it in "Small But Deadly" because I'd completely forgotten about it. It regained some popularity when Michael Ammar included it on one of his DVD's. Michael himself must have thought highly of it, as obviously do some people on this thread.

I agree with Brad's other statement too. The key word in that statement is 'sometimes'. Many 'self working' or 'simplified' routines are less direct.

By the way, one of your choices, John G's "Tailspin" also appeared with permission in my second packet trick book, "Still Small, Still Deadly" with a slightly different clean up. It was in my restaurant repertoire for a time, great trick.

http://www.lybrary.com/still-small-still-deadly-p-248770.html

I prefer doing "Twisted Sisters" with jumbo cards in a stand up act. It becomes the perfect 'thought of' cards across without having to get people up from the audience, count out cards etc.
Message: Posted by: gjmagic (Dec 1, 2015 04:22PM)
[quote]On Nov 23, 2015, Brad Jeffers wrote:
[quote]On Nov 22, 2015, Paul wrote:
They do look very similar in overall effect. I wouldn't call John's an inferior "presentation". [/quote]

Perhaps I should have used the term inferior handling rather than inferior presentation, as the handling in both "Shock Twist" and "Marked for Life" (which are identical) can be clearly shown as inferior to the original Derek Dingle handling in "We'll Twist"; whereas if one is to limit the definition of presentation to the patter used, then it becomes a matter of personal preference as to which is best.

[quote] I'm sure there are differences, Gary must have had a reason for putting the cards behind his back, for instance.[/quote]

I'm sure he did, however it's a terrible thing to do. No trick should include a moment where you place the props behind your back. I mean REALLY!

Dingle uses Ken Krenzel's Mechanical Reverse to set the cards. Jones sets them by putting them behind his back. Quite an improvement?!

At the start of the trick, Dingle uses an elegant false count to show four blue backs. It's not easy, but it is very convincing. Jones totally eliminates this. The backs of the cards are not seen until the cards are removed from behind the back and the reversals begin to take place.

And I will mention that Dingle's show of the four blue backs is not just an arbitrary thing. It's nicely constructed into the routine.

Replacing the Ace, Two, Three & Four as used in "We'll Twist" with the four Sevens is no improvement, in fact, seems detrimental to the effect.

Finally, I think the simple elegance of having the blue backs change to red is better than having them change to four different backed cards (actually only three change, one card retains the original blue back), or having them become "marked cards".

Ironically, in Jones's presentation of "Shock Twist" he says "In a moment I'm going to make each one of these sevens turn over. Now there's two ways I can do this, the easy way or the hard way. Which would you rather see, the easy way or the hard way?"

In magic simplicity of method is often a virtue, however sometimes in trying to replace the difficult with the easy, something beautiful gets lost in the translation.

... and Dingle's patter is better too! :kermit: [/quote]

Hi Brad, thank you for your honest comments, I take it you don't like it then :) Some people like my version, which by the way was first marketed in the early 1980s. My contribution was to add RF and four different coloured backed cards for the climax (we had quite a problem back then sourcing the different coloured backs, unlike nowadays!). The presentation covered the placing of the cards behind the back, which was done at the start of the effect....basically before the 'magic' actually happens so it is done openly. While some will agree with what you said, others think that it the addition of RF allows you to do some wonderful one handed displays.

It's a good job that we are all different and like different things, the world would be very boring otherwise!!

Regards,

Gary Jones.
Message: Posted by: HoDinhYu (Jan 20, 2016 10:18AM)
To me it's still Asher Twist. Gaffless, practical, and visuaL!
Message: Posted by: TheRealMagicMike (Jan 20, 2016 08:58PM)
Being a "monte" lover, I like: Stand-up Monte and Color Monte... also Ace and Twisting the Aces.
Message: Posted by: petegrimaud (Jan 31, 2016 07:37AM)
One of my favourites is "The Royal Scam" by John Bannon..
Message: Posted by: petegrimaud (Feb 1, 2016 06:54AM)
Infact anything by John Bannon is usually great..!
Message: Posted by: frankinator32 (Feb 27, 2016 10:13AM)
Love the tricks using Bannon's Bullet Party display (Bullet Party, Liam Montier's Montinator and Odd Man Out). And of course, Elmsley's original Four Card Trick.
Message: Posted by: Failed Magician (Jun 20, 2016 09:54PM)
Brainiac, Spin Doctor, Capitulating Queens and The Corner of Piccadilly.
Message: Posted by: Razamabaz (Jun 22, 2016 10:20AM)
Favourite gaffed packet trick believe it or not is Colour changing Kings to Aces. Nice and easy not much effort involved finish it with a flustration count or Rumba count and it's job done.

Favorite tricks with non gaffed cards, Twisting the Aces, Dr Daley's and Jazz Aces.
Message: Posted by: C. Kolchak (Jun 22, 2016 03:40PM)
My vote is for Reset by Paul Harris.
I have had more "holy s***'s" from the four cards switching back then from any other card effect.
Message: Posted by: Paul (Jun 22, 2016 03:54PM)
[quote]On Jun 22, 2016, C. Kolchak wrote:
My vote is for Reset by Paul Harris.
I have had more "holy s***'s" from the four cards switching back then from any other card effect. [/quote]

I always preferred the similar "Boomerang" by Walt Maddison. Here's an old video clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SsZL2a5JG8

You also get a similar response when all the picture cards jump together in Peter Duffie's "Point Blank Assembly" (link below) though neither have been mentioned in this thread yet, I don't think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSPkpqvros8
Message: Posted by: Karli (Jun 27, 2016 07:43PM)
How can you beat Stand Up Monte, I don't understand? Its my signature card trick of all time! Cant beat that. Just learn it, try it out and you´ll understand.
Message: Posted by: A. Evans (Jun 28, 2016 11:15AM)
Poor Man Monte
The Devels Revenge (Great for Halloween)
Jazz Aces
The Gypsies Curse
Message: Posted by: Paul (Jun 28, 2016 11:26AM)
[quote]On Jun 28, 2016, aevans-1500 wrote:
Poor Man Monte
The Devels Revenge (Great for Halloween)
Jazz Aces
The Gypsies Curse [/quote]

Any more information on these? I mean is the last one Peter Kane's Gypsy Curse? It it Peter Kane's Jazz Aces or someone else's variant (there are quite a few). Never heard of The Devil's Revenge, where can that be found/who created it?
Message: Posted by: martonikus (Aug 13, 2016 08:44PM)
Long and great thread! My favorites.

For adults: Virginia City Hustle

For children: Shenanigans (unfortunately, out of print and hard to find)

Both start and end clean, are full routines, and have great endings.
Message: Posted by: Kjellstrom (Aug 17, 2016 09:29AM)
One favourite - Twisting the aces by Fred Kaps:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIOcugPweoA
Message: Posted by: IMAGINACIAN (Aug 17, 2016 11:57PM)
[quote]On Jun 22, 2016, Paul wrote:
[quote]On Jun 22, 2016, C. Kolchak wrote:
My vote is for Reset by Paul Harris.
I have had more "holy s***'s" from the four cards switching back then from any other card effect. [/quote]

I always preferred the similar "Boomerang" by Walt Maddison. Here's an old video clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SsZL2a5JG8

You also get a similar response when all the picture cards jump together in Peter Duffie's "Point Blank Assembly" (link below) though neither have been mentioned in this thread yet, I don't think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSPkpqvros8 [/quote]

Great performances Paul, thanks for sharing.
Message: Posted by: JasperLee (Oct 20, 2016 09:10PM)
Just to add on to the list

1. TENYO MAGIC PAINTING
2. ALAN WONG DIAMOND TWIST
Message: Posted by: Terrible Wizard (Oct 21, 2016 08:00AM)
With cards taken from a deck it's hard to beat Dr Daley's Last Trick, imho.

With a separate packet of cards three spring to mind: B'wave; Royal Scam; and the classic 3-card Monte :)
Message: Posted by: Vlad_77 (Oct 25, 2016 11:55AM)
It's nice to see this thread still active. I posted a few favorites back in 2010. I want to add twomore.

Cheap Labour by David Acer in Natural Selections v.1, pp. 21-25

Reswindled by Caleb Wiles in his book High Spots
Message: Posted by: AndreaMooreMagic (Nov 14, 2016 03:55AM)
[quote]On Oct 21, 2016, Terrible Wizard wrote:
With cards taken from a deck it's hard to beat Dr Daley's Last Trick, imho.

With a separate packet of cards three spring to mind: B'wave; Royal Scam; and the classic 3-card Monte :) [/quote]
i absolutely agree.
I also enjoy performing John Bannon's packet effect.
Message: Posted by: supertoad12 (Nov 17, 2016 08:52AM)
This is what I usually carry for packet tricks (My preference will vary on the audience):

ACE (R.Sanders)
The Rhythm Twins (R.Benatar)
Poker Test 2.0 (E.Casey)
B'Wave (M.Maven)
Ugly Duckling (A.Colombini) - For kids
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Jan 29, 2017 01:30AM)
Headhunter- Bob Farmer
Message: Posted by: langston3711 (Feb 7, 2017 08:45AM)
John Guastaferro - Intuition/Out of the Blue is great and uses regular cards
Message: Posted by: Googoomafint11 (Feb 10, 2017 03:14AM)
Colour Monte is a great one, really love it. I love performing Dr Daley's Last trick just because it nice and quick, and if the audience loves it I can perform twisting the aces
Message: Posted by: dpe666 (Feb 12, 2017 07:52PM)
[quote]On Jun 28, 2016, Paul wrote:
[quote]On Jun 28, 2016, aevans-1500 wrote:
Poor Man Monte
The Devels Revenge (Great for Halloween)
Jazz Aces
The Gypsies Curse [/quote]

Any more information on these? I mean is the last one Peter Kane's Gypsy Curse? It it Peter Kane's Jazz Aces or someone else's variant (there are quite a few). Never heard of The Devil's Revenge, where can that be found/who created it? [/quote]

I am not sure if this is the same "Devil's Revenge", but this is the one I perform. It is basically "The Homing Card". I did not invent the trick (obviously), nor did I write the story, but I may be the first to apply it to Tarot cards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dcb8kiqKY8
:devilish:
Message: Posted by: jimgerrish (Feb 13, 2017 02:45AM)
If you are interested in more Tarot card packet trick variations, you might want to check Spellbinder's "The Invisible Tarot" which consists of 13 different tricks you can perform with Tarot cards, and is found as Book Two in the Spooky Shop of Little Horrors on The Magic Nook.
Message: Posted by: EndersGame (Feb 28, 2017 03:22AM)
Lots of tricks could be nominated for best packet trick of all time. But strong contenders would certainly be Color Monte, and B'Wave. They're powerful and popular.
Message: Posted by: dpe666 (Mar 2, 2017 09:40PM)
[quote]On Feb 13, 2017, jimgerrish wrote:
If you are interested in more Tarot card packet trick variations, you might want to check Spellbinder's "The Invisible Tarot" which consists of 13 different tricks you can perform with Tarot cards, and is found as Book Two in the Spooky Shop of Little Horrors on The Magic Nook. [/quote]

The Book of Thoth by Stephen Minch is the best book devoted to Tarot card magic.
Message: Posted by: RevConfused (Mar 10, 2017 04:54PM)
I absolutely love Come Together (Jerry Sadowitz) and Jazz Aces. For Gaffed packets I enjoy many ( poker players nightmare, any queen called for etc), but, I mainly lean towards Elmsley etc over gaffed recently.
Message: Posted by: Terrible Wizard (Mar 21, 2017 08:11AM)
Dr Daley's Last Trick
Any three card monte trick/routine
B'wave
Jazz Aces
Message: Posted by: Sixten (Mar 31, 2017 07:01AM)
Twisting the Aces
Dr. Daley's Last Trick
&
this one: (Mr. Roy Walton's classic) ((Wasn't aware, until I (just) read Mr. Bill Hegbli's post, 05/13, on Mr. Howard Schwarzman's "Leather Impact."
After reading it, I tracked down the leather wallets, from a dealer, Thank You, Mr. Hegbli! :) ))

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRYH7wPBvTk
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Apr 11, 2017 12:38PM)
Man, this string is still happening??? :D

I think, like my buddy Vlad here above, I was also part of this back in 2010...Long time. :)

And basically, I guess I still feel about the same, as to what's best and what's your favorite as to packet tricks.

I still like NFW, B'Wave and Doc Daley, but would add the classic "Double Back" and would throw in an off beat piece like "The World's Fastest Card Trick." And even "Capitulating Queens" is pretty nice and fun to do.

Now, as to what I do now (about 7yrs later)?...It's something I had never done much before..."Twisting The Aces." :D I know, I know, I'm late to the party yet again... :D But this trick has come to be my go to packet trick. It's so simple, engaging, pretty easy to do and very magical. In short, it's a darn near perfect effect to do on the spot, and most times just about the only one I play with and perform. Seems to be more than enough. :)

...And I would also say that another offbeat trick has found its way to my hands, and I like doing it very much..."Find The Queen" by Assad (52Cards). Just a marvelous little presentation of the Monte variety. I like it because it's not really a trick you simply present, but you explain how it's done and involve them into it, or something like that. :D Anyway, it's fun to do, has a good little handling to it, and always plays well for me. :)

So, I guess I have evolved some, but there are so many wonderful packet tricks out there, and that's a really good thing. :)
Message: Posted by: dsleasman (Apr 28, 2017 11:43PM)
When I am at those very special occasions and the time feels just right, I will pull out Miracle Monte by Wolfgang Moser and it never fails to amaze.
Message: Posted by: DadwithAPen (May 2, 2017 07:38PM)
My all time favorite: Daryl's Cardboard Chamelons
Message: Posted by: Woodini (May 8, 2017 07:43AM)
I keep two packet tricks on me and ready to go at all times. First is Card Warp, and the second is Cascade by Walton. You can do both sitting or standing, and surrounded is no problem. I have been doing my version of these for thirty years, and they still play very strong after all this time.
Message: Posted by: Leo H (May 23, 2017 10:44PM)
My vote goes to You Must Have Been Drinking. But classic
ungaffed packet effects are near and dear to me as well.
Message: Posted by: Charles Gaff (Jul 9, 2017 01:14PM)
I like stand up monte and variations of the princess card trick principle.
Message: Posted by: SHMagic (Jul 12, 2017 12:30PM)
If we are talking about gimmicked packet tricks, my favorite, and one that I have used for years is NFW.

If we are talking about an ungimmicked packet, I am a fan of 8-card brainwave, reset w/ a twist (Gregory Wilson's handeling of Paul Harris' effect), and Jazz Aces.
Message: Posted by: Chollet (Jul 26, 2017 11:31AM)
I have been doing three packet tricks as a set for years. Twisting the Aces, Daley's Last Trick and Card Warp. I think the three play together really well (Ammar has a routine wherein he explains the cards ability to turn over / move and it frames the set really well). No gaffs, which is great (unless you consider Card Warp to have a gaff - I don't as it uses regular cards).

For a gaffed effect I like B'Wave along with just about everyone else, and am (finally) working on Standup Monte.
Message: Posted by: MitchC (Jul 29, 2017 02:29PM)
B'Wave is a go-to. Recently added 'Printing' by Joshua Jay on his Close Up, Up Close Vol 2 DVD. Get's a GREAT spectator reaction.
Message: Posted by: Rick Holcombe (Jul 29, 2017 08:30PM)
I still love "Factory Misprints" JC Wagner.

It's 3 tricks in 1.
Message: Posted by: Failed Magician (Aug 22, 2017 12:23AM)
Spin Doctor. Corner of Piccadilly. Capitulating Queens.

Hands down to these three in my opinion. The use of regular cards is the one that gives more kick into each of these routines.
Message: Posted by: Jack Skipton (Aug 23, 2017 04:27AM)
I love this thread AND packet tricks.

My faves would be Twisting the Aces plus Last Trick of Dr Daley, Entourage, B'wave, stand up monte and Factory misprints.
Message: Posted by: Sixten (Sep 2, 2017 07:02AM)
For all that love "Oil & Water" effects, as I do. Have many, and you want (totally) examinable, (Clean! Clean! Clean!) invest $10.00, just for item #!:

Mr. Aldo Colombini's (R.I.P.) "Oil and Water 1": Mr. Nick Trost's (R.I.P.):
"14-Card Oil and Water." (A download-WMV + MP4)
Hopefully, this will work: https://www.lybrary.com/oil-and-water-1-p-118656.html

My absolute favorite.

:)
Message: Posted by: drolleric (Sep 4, 2017 03:09PM)
About Oil and water
Check my post here:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?forum=337&topic=639236
Message: Posted by: Wordsworth (Sep 4, 2017 05:20PM)
[quote]On Jul 29, 2017, Rick Holcombe wrote:
I still love "Factory Misprints" JC Wagner.

It's 3 tricks in 1. [/quote]

This is a very underrated effect, despite having been taught in the Ammar Card Miracles series.
Message: Posted by: bobmag56 (Nov 7, 2017 01:16PM)
I like Walton's Cascade and the Ronnay effects (Color Vision, Alpine Travelers, Sympathetic Cards, and Wild Wild 2000).
Message: Posted by: Chris03 (Nov 7, 2017 05:20PM)
Best packet trick of all time, probably not, but I like to perform it :"Nervous Breakdown" by Dominique Duvivier, you can find it in "Magie Duvivier" by Jon Racherbaumer.
Message: Posted by: GlennLawrence (Nov 9, 2017 12:28PM)
Color Monte has always been near and dear to me as it was the first thing I ever bought in a magic shop (remember those?) and I still love it today 30 years later! Is it the greatest packet trick ever? I don't know, but to me it's tough to beat. I'm also a huge fan of 8 card brainwave and card warp. I have also been known to perform the Sidewalk Shuffle although with the jumbo cards it's more of a parlor/stage effect so maybe that's why it hasn't gotten a lot of mention in this thread, but that's a great one as well!

Glenn
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Nov 18, 2017 09:29PM)
My two favorites are my versions of the gimmickless color monte and twisting the Aces.

My color monte is based on, and pretty close to Garret Thomas' color monte. The only difference is I had to change it up a bit because I have it in a gimmicked packet trick holder along with Dan Harlan's Vortex.

My Twisting the Aces uses the original moves, unchanged, just with different cards, not the Aces, and a different patter.

KJ
Message: Posted by: Roger Kelly (Dec 15, 2017 04:15AM)
Wow, this is a long runner, Way back in October 2010, I favoured John Bannon's "Twisted Sisters". Since then, I've seen nothing to beat that, as a standalone packet trick, until John unearthed "Duplicity." Well that has replaced "Twisted Sisters" in my repertoire. As for a 'packet trick' from a deck of cards, it has to be Max Maven's "Masque" from his book "Focus" (which I think was under his Phil Goldstein name) I include "Masque" as it neatly follows on and uses the same spectators from John Bannon's "Timely Departure."
Message: Posted by: lwarren (Dec 26, 2017 02:42PM)
Stand Up Monte by Garret Thomas is my go to. Lots of magic happening in that routine and you could essentially stop at any phase and the spectator will still be amazed. I recently picked up B'Wave from Penguin because it's nice to hear Max's thoughts, psychology, and pointers on the trick. Good information there.
Message: Posted by: Sanks (Jan 29, 2018 07:59AM)
Stand Up Monte - its a lot of magic and gets a lot of great reactions.
Message: Posted by: Sanks (Jan 29, 2018 08:01AM)
Also if you get the extension DVD by Garret Thomas there are even more ideas on how to extend or shorten the performance and add advanced moves if you wish.
Message: Posted by: NicholasD (Jan 29, 2018 08:43AM)
My favorite is still Jumping Gemini. Take the cards from a regular deck and go. However, now that I've been using it for a while, Double Back is also a real favorite.
Message: Posted by: S.V.C (Jan 31, 2018 06:55AM)
I'd also vote on stand up monte.
Message: Posted by: todsky (Feb 19, 2018 12:24PM)
I use NFW regularly and it never fails to kill, so that would have to be where my vote goes.
Message: Posted by: MazingMandy (Feb 28, 2018 05:34AM)
Duplicity
Message: Posted by: warren (Mar 3, 2018 01:10PM)
Duplicity is a great effect as mentioned ( although my favourite is still Dr Daley's ) a quick question to those who perform Duplicity do you use the underground EC as taught as personally I prefer to start with a JC as it's more natural ?
Message: Posted by: sennheiser (Mar 8, 2018 06:18AM)
I don't know if its the best packet trick, but with John Bannon's "Duplicity" I always got great reactions.

another great one is Roy Walton's "Kaleidoscope".
maybe its nothing special, but it just fits me.


bye
sennheiser
Message: Posted by: warren (Mar 8, 2018 09:26AM)
[quote]On Mar 8, 2018, sennheiser wrote:
I don't know if its the best packet trick, but with John Bannon's "Duplicity" I always got great reactions.

bye
sennheiser [/quote]

But do you use the Elmsley count as taught or do you use the Jordon count which looks more natural ?
Message: Posted by: sennheiser (Mar 12, 2018 02:42AM)
[quote]On Mar 8, 2018, warren wrote:
But do you use the Elmsley count as taught or do you use the Jordon count which looks more natural ? [/quote]

I use the Emlsley like taught.