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Topic: Leaving a mess at the venue
Message: Posted by: ku7uk3 (Jan 16, 2011 10:44AM)
I was speaking to several other magicians recently. One does cut and restored rope and leaves the cut pieces the on floor after he leaves. Another does sponge balls with a multiple-ball climax and leaves them on the floor also (he buys them in the thousands) a third does snowstorm in china and leaves the room covered in White confetti.

All three leave the mess they make at the venue for the organiser to clean-up after the performer has left. I am strongly against this.

I recently added a confetti finish to my thimble routine. At the end of the show, I take out a small sweeping brush and cleaup the confetti before I leave. I strongly believe it is polite and the right-thing-to-do is to clean up your own mess.

Who else leaves a mess at the venue after there show?
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (Jan 16, 2011 11:27AM)
The ONLY thing I would ever leave at the venue is water, and that's ONLY if it's an outdoor gig. Never trash up the place. After my Khyber Kobra, I pick up the cards, if the kids don't get to them first. The only other thing I might leave is in a full stage setting, after my small CO2 confetti cannon goes off, I use only large Flutterfetti and streamers, no glitter. The kids take all the streamers and the flutterfetti sweeps up easily. I usually only use this in outdoor settings, as well, and that's all totally biodegradable. Old hippie here and I recycle everything.

Steve
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Jan 16, 2011 11:42AM)
Cut and restore is my last magic trick, and after the show I pick up all the pieces that the kids haven't already taken.
Message: Posted by: Alan Munro (Jan 16, 2011 12:00PM)
I don't have anything to clean up. Some act may have to follow me and I don't want them to slip on something that I left.

Once a cup holder's adhesive let loose and dumped a cup of water on the stage. Considering the nature of the event, there should have been cleaning supplies available backstage, but they were locked up! One of the organizers found some napkins and got it up. Suffice it to say that when I work that venue again, the fee will be considerable more and I'll be bringing what the venue doesn't supply. The venue dropped the ball in several ways and considering how much an event costs at The Grand Rapids Art Museum, there's no excuse for it.
Message: Posted by: TheGreatNancini (Jan 16, 2011 12:26PM)
We used to use confetti and always took a small vacuum cleaner to clean up afterwards.

I am a stickler about not leaving a mess! I always take a trash bag with me and pick up any trash that is generated from our show. If it is a bigger venue then I may put that bag in their trash can. Many times though I even bring the trash bag home to dispose of it. Especially if it was from a party in someone's home.

We recently did a gig at a country club, and we had to rearrange the furniture to make the show we were hired to do fit the space we were given. After the show we put all the furniture back.

We have actually received many compliments for not leaving messes behind.

Like a couple of you already stated above, if we have kids in our audience, we can usually count on them to pick up cards and such and take them as "souvenirs".
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Jan 16, 2011 01:41PM)
Burst balloons and a mouth coil are all I drop - and I try to pick them up and bin them before leaving.
Message: Posted by: Mary Mowder (Jan 16, 2011 02:02PM)
I never leave anything.

I used to have large glitter in my Silk Cascade finale but I was worried about people slipping on it and did not like the idea of someone else cleaning up my mess.

I did not want to carry a dust buster so it was out.

-Mary Mowder
Message: Posted by: Starrpower (Jan 16, 2011 07:23PM)
I do not leave a mess. Cut carrots from my headchopper and a few balloon pieces always get picked up and thrown away. That is one reason I never considered doing a "snowstorm" effect.
Message: Posted by: Sam Sandler (Jan 16, 2011 09:33PM)
Wow I never knew this was an issue I have done thousands of shows and never cleaned up after the show.

Its in my contract that I don't stay to clean up from the snow storm illusion or other things.

now that being said I don't leave the water bottles and soda cans out or the ends to my kubuki streamers.

we require them to have a trash can back stage amoung other things so that we can keep it neat but I don't have time to stay and sweep up either its late and night and I need to get out or I have a multiple show day that does not alow for the time.

I always make the client aware of the confettii and mess that will be produced from my show.

who knew!
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Jan 16, 2011 10:23PM)
Sam
When Starrpoer said snowstorm I thought of you. The extremly large wad of confetti that you use can make a knee high snow storm.
Message: Posted by: Mary Mowder (Jan 16, 2011 11:22PM)
Sam,

If the client has been told about the Snow Storm, I don't see a problem.

-Mary Mowder
Message: Posted by: TheGreatNancini (Jan 17, 2011 12:50AM)
I agree with Mary. As long as the client knows up front there will be confetti and they have approved it, then there should be no problem at all. I really think that it goes back to good communication with the client and the venue prior to performance.
Message: Posted by: themagiciansapprentice (Jan 17, 2011 01:32PM)
Why not make it a comedy moment and pull out an appearing brush to sweep up the mess with.

I now only book the snow storm if I know I can clean up quickly / or that some-one else can do so.
Message: Posted by: TomBoleware (Jan 17, 2011 01:56PM)
Sam,
Most likely the one that signs the contract is not the same one that sweeps up the mess.

I'm sure there are some people out there that hate you. LOL

Tom
Message: Posted by: Cheshire Cat (Jan 17, 2011 02:37PM)
As I have several pints of strong beer on the way to parties I often vomit on the floor in front of the children, and then there are the 30 or so cigarette ends I drop on the floor too. My beheading of St. John The Baptist illusion for pre-school children leaves mess (I use rancid meat and brains from the local butcher's shop). This in turn causes the audience to vomit.

:(

:(

:)

Only joking! I'm practically a tee-totaller these days and don't smoke.

Er, rubbish (garbage) etc. Well absolutely nothing really. Maybe we overlook to take the occasional coffee or tea cup back, but that's all.

:)

PS: Isn't there someone in our location who DOES have several pints of beer on the way to a party? :)
Message: Posted by: ku7uk3 (Jan 17, 2011 03:40PM)
When you ask the client if its okay to make it snow as part of your show, they expect just that - snow. That it will melt away like the real stuff and not be a problem.

What they didn't expect is white confetti all over the floor, in people's hair, and underneath the sofa. They didn't expect you to create such a mess, and then just leave it there for someone else to clean up.

When you ask them if its okay, not only do they not fully understand the effect (having never seen it before), not understand the amount of mess to be made, but I think on some level they expected you to clean it up. As a form of politeness, off course they are going to say Yes. They have never seen the trick before to know what mess it is going to cause. They just think it sounds like fun and agree to anything which keeps the kids out of their hair for a few extra minutes.
But the negative reactions that mess causes are only talked about after you leave. Your onto the next party having left a mess all over the floor. The other parents are talking about the state you left the room / stage / hall in. You have lost all possible repeat bookings, especially those that would have been in a private home as now every parent there thinks you will do the same trick in their living room.

Then, the parent plays a party game with the children, one slips on the confetti and hurts themselves, which is all your fault.

Basically, you are not there for the repercussion of your actions and it will cost you in bad remarks and lost potential repeat bookings.
Message: Posted by: Starrpower (Jan 17, 2011 05:51PM)
I don't know if people expect it or not when they are told of the confetti. However, I just prefer not to take the chance. I think it's human nature to agree to something up front, and then afterwards b**** about it.
Message: Posted by: Clownboy (Jan 17, 2011 06:20PM)
I always like to clean up after myself just so I don't get the reputation of being messy. Sometimes after an event I even have children come up to help me clean up the burst balloons or the paper mouth coils. But I do agree that if you must make a mess and then leave it for clean up then you should let the event planner know in advance. This way they have agreed and will be prepared for the clean up. Reputation is EVERYTHING in this business.

Brad
Message: Posted by: Billy Bo (Jan 18, 2011 08:48AM)
Negative reactions? if a negative reaction to the snowstorm finale mess is the parents calling me to perform at their child's party and specifically asking for the snow, then yes I get negative reactions all the time.
Message: Posted by: ku7uk3 (Jan 18, 2011 09:06AM)
Billy Bo, how many shows did you do last year? Because I imagine someone not doing the effect would get more bookings that someone doing it.

Any entertainer will always get some repeat work, based on the fact that your probably the only entertainer that clients knows. It doesn't mean that one trick has helped you get more bookings.

The only way we can really calculate if the trick has actually benefited referral work is to find out how many shows you did and compare it to someone who does not perform the trick. Even then its going to be difficult to calculate but the numbers of shows will give us a general idea.
Message: Posted by: Al Kazam the Magic Man (Jan 18, 2011 09:17AM)
You are at it again Stephen....assuming things that are not there and not believing things that people are telling you!!!

Case in point: When you ask the client if its okay to make it snow as part of your show, they expect just that - snow. That it will melt away like the real stuff and not be a problem.

What they didn't expect is white confetti all over the floor, in people's hair, and underneath the sofa. They didn't expect you to create such a mess, and then just leave it there for someone else to clean up.

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You're just assuming all that! Quit embarrassing yourself!
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Jan 18, 2011 09:38AM)
I think Tom is right, there are stage hands at the Atlantic City casino's that hate Sam.
Message: Posted by: ku7uk3 (Jan 18, 2011 11:07AM)
Wait, If I wanted to make it snow, I just hire a snow machine, I've seen DJ's and other entertainers use snow machines all the time. When you say you are going to make it snow, that's what I expect, that you just going to use a snow machine which will create artificial snow that will melt away. These machines are common place nowadays.

I don't think the thought even goes across a clients mind that when you say snow, you actually meant white confetti that gets everywhere and that won't be cleaned up.
Message: Posted by: TomBoleware (Jan 18, 2011 02:00PM)
I may be wrong but I think Sam wears a bullet proof vest everywhere he goes. :)

But seriously, there is a big, big difference in making a mess on a stage and a living room.
This being in the Little Darling section, I assume we talking smaller venues. Certainly you can't
go in a home and just scatter confetti everywhere.

Service repair people are often judged by not only the job they do, but how they leave everything.
The general rule is, leave it in the same condition you find it.
I would think that others would be judged the same way.

Tom
Message: Posted by: Alan Munro (Jan 18, 2011 02:12PM)
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On 2011-01-18 12:07, ku7uk3 wrote:
I don't think the thought even goes across a clients mind that when you say snow, you actually meant white confetti that gets everywhere and that won't be cleaned up.
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Unless they've had to clean up the mess, they won't even think about it. But, the first time that they have to clean it up is the time when they'll be irritated. It's not good for repeat business, unless the client expects a big clean-up.
Message: Posted by: TrickyRicky (Jan 18, 2011 06:57PM)
Snow storm is a very visual trick, and I know children enjoy those fluttering confetti falling all over.
But it causes quite a mess, and the parents have to work very hard after everyone is gone to find every piece of paper, even the ones that
fell between the base board.
A friend of mine did the pop streamers as he was abouit to leave. He thought it would look nice with streamers hanging over the chandelier.
The customer was furious to say the least,the streamers started a fire once it hit the candles on the cake.
That same customer booke me the following year---she told me the story.
Tricky Ricky
Message: Posted by: Cesar Munoz (Jan 21, 2011 04:33PM)
I always pick up any random pieces of robe or broken balloons. If anything, I think the client appreciates the extra level of attention. Also, I'd hate for a toddler to walk by and put a balloon fragment in their mouth. For the most part, a party is going to generate a lot of "mess"--so it's not a big deal--but it's a classy touch to clean up after yourself.
Message: Posted by: Julie Carpenter (Jan 22, 2011 04:33PM)
Ive earnt most of my brownie points when ive helped clear up the hall when we have all arrived and it has been in a mess.
Ive been seen with a sweeper and pan and brush before many parties. I remember one early Sunday morning when the previous nights party didn't know there was a morning booking.
There were blocked toilets and a floor covered in broken glass. It was all hands to the deck to get the show started on time.
Message: Posted by: Cesar Munoz (Jan 22, 2011 08:10PM)
Julie--that's awesome--and can't hurt when it comes to getting tipped!
Message: Posted by: ku7uk3 (Jan 23, 2011 04:08AM)
England is not a tipping country, but it probably helped the repeat business possibility.
But most importantly, it helped the child have a great party they will never forget.
Message: Posted by: Starrpower (Jan 23, 2011 10:21AM)
Wisconsin is not a tipping country, either (bunch of overweight cheapskates up here), which is why busking and working restaurants for tips only generally does not fly here. However, if you are cleaning up after yourself for a tip, you're doing it for the wrong reason. I think you do it out of common courtesy and respect for the venue and your customer. Anything else that comes of it is gravy.
Message: Posted by: Amazing Magic Co (Jan 23, 2011 10:59AM)
I always clean up the room following a showas I just think it is respectful. When doing a mouthcoil at a kids show, it never fails that it is quickly transformed into confetti. The same goes for Balloon Bag remants, rope clippings, stray sponge balls, etc. I bring a pop-out camping waste basket which also works nicely as a drop bag for various items.

I hope my tips come having such a great show and performance. Cleaning up is simply not giving them an excuse to rethink the value received.

Dan.
Message: Posted by: Billy Bo (Jan 23, 2011 03:15PM)
[quote]
On 2011-01-18 10:06, ku7uk3 wrote:
Billy Bo, how many shows did you do last year? Because I imagine someone not doing the effect would get more bookings that someone doing it.

Any entertainer will always get some repeat work, based on the fact that your probably the only entertainer that clients knows. It doesn't mean that one trick has helped you get more bookings.

The only way we can really calculate if the trick has actually benefited referral work is to find out how many shows you did and compare it to someone who does not perform the trick. Even then its going to be difficult to calculate but the numbers of shows will give us a general idea.
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Are you for real Stephen? I really think your getting way to obsessed with this. Lets say I do a great show the the 'dreaded' snow storm, but the the next guy does a sh*te show but without a snow storm, or I do a sh*te show with a snow storm and the next guy does a great show without a snow storm what does this prove. Your theory is that if the next guy gets more bookings its because I do a snow storm, but if he doesn't then what has that proved. Its proved that your opinion and the way you percieve this is completely ridiculous. Seriously everyone is different, what works for some, jokes, tricks, humour etc may not work for others. ANd visa Versa. Im sure many would cringe at the way I am when I arrive at shows, I hug and give mum a kiss, and generally have a laugh with the adults througought the show. Maybe we should see if the next entertainer does this and compare show totals Stephen?
Message: Posted by: ku7uk3 (Jan 23, 2011 03:31PM)
Your the one that bought up the topic of making a mess gets you repeat business. Or did you forget about that?
Message: Posted by: Billy Bo (Jan 23, 2011 06:38PM)
Woah there cowboy, I never said anything of the sort. All I said was I get requested to perform that trick when they call to book after seeing me. At no point did I say " I get more bookings because I make a mess" in that context.
You really need to stop looking too far into things.
Message: Posted by: revmike (Jan 26, 2011 12:39PM)
I always clean-up or volunteer to clean-up - most of my shows there is no mess to clean up - Sometimes there is at the school shows and I am always told not to worry about it, that they will have the custodian do it. But the point is, I always offer (unless other arrangements have been made prior to the show) to leave the venue better than I found it.
Message: Posted by: ku7uk3 (Jan 30, 2011 01:40PM)
What are your guys thoughts about popped balloon animals? Do you pick them up?
Message: Posted by: Billy Bo (Jan 30, 2011 03:05PM)
Always pick up Balloon remnants purely as ive worked as H+S Manager at Englands largest indoor adventure park and am paranoid of child safety, parents tend to notice aswell. To be honest what really annoys me is when I turn up and parents have flooded the hall in balloons(Yes this is in my party tips sheet of No No's) The children then go and burst all balloons, my worst nightmare as I then spend 5 minutes picking it all up.
Message: Posted by: magic4u02 (Jan 30, 2011 03:57PM)
I always will pick up everything after my show. I do not care if it is from my show or something a kid dropped. My belief is that if you are a professional, you leave the place exactly as you found it when you got there. if you can, you leave it better then when you got there.

If there is trash on the floor, I pick it up. If furniture was moved, I offer to move it back. I make sure everything is as it should be. It is only the right thing to do. now with small pieces of trash and poppeed balloons, always pick that up as soon as you can. that can become a choking hazzord for a young child.

Parents will notice your good manners and cleaning up after yourself is just good business as well.

Kyle
Message: Posted by: Dan Ford (Jan 30, 2011 04:50PM)
Leave the venue you perform at cleaner than you found it!
Message: Posted by: magicgeorge (Jan 30, 2011 05:27PM)
So: always clean up after yourself unless you have a particularily messy effect and have informed the booker of the mess you will be leaving beforehand (not forgetting to check that the booker doesn't believe that weather conditions actually spring from your* palm).

Is that what y'all been trying to say for the last 2 pages?

George

*correct use of word highlighted for any ex-teachers among us
Message: Posted by: drosenbe0813 (Feb 1, 2011 07:46PM)
Just as a little horror story...I do a very 'clean' act, in that I don't leave anything at the venue. Anything I 'produce' gets taken home with me. Well.....during communion season, one of my selling points are goody bags that I give to each of the children after the show. At one gig, I'm done....I give out the goody bags....and leave. The restaurant manager runs out after me....saying "aren't I going to clean up?". I say 'what'?? It seems that most of the kids dumped their bags on the floor to rummage through them...and of course, left the remains. I had to tell the manager that I had to run to my next show...(which I did.) I was a little annoyed that he would expect me to clean up what the kids had done...I had given out very contained items. I'm sure I could have handled it better...but it was the only time it has ever happened in many, many shows.
Message: Posted by: magicgeorge (Feb 2, 2011 03:28AM)
I suppose next time give the bags to the booker to give out as they leave?

I can see where the managers coming from as it was something you gave out and the mess sounds pretty inevitable. Where's Mary Poppins when you need her?

Quite often there's a mess where the kids have been sitting but since I didn't give them any of it I don't feel too guilty about leaving it. I should really get the kids to tidy it up, thinking about it.

When I do balloon workshops over the summer I make a special model at the start to demonstrate and then give it out at the end to the best tidier upper.

George
Message: Posted by: Starrpower (Feb 2, 2011 09:58AM)
LOL! When I first read your comment, George, I thought you meant give a clean-up trash bag to the manager!
Message: Posted by: magicgeorge (Feb 2, 2011 10:47AM)
Ha!

"There you go, have fun!"

Don't think it would go down too well.
Message: Posted by: The Mighty Fool (Feb 3, 2011 01:08AM)
Regarding Ku7uk3's opening post, I fail to see how the sponge balls could leave a mess......the kids would snatch them up like candy! I get a lot of paper circles on the floor when I 'blow the spots off' the polka-silk, but I always sweep 'em up after, that is, the 1/3 or so that're LEFT after the lil' rugrats have scavenged the rest! I look at cleaning up afterwards like this: No it wont NECESSARILY help you, but it will NEVER hurt!
Message: Posted by: MichaelDouglas (Feb 21, 2011 08:30PM)
I generate s small amount of clean up from the water monte but as others have posted, the kids often scarf it up before the show is done. Still, I do ask for a broom to clean up anything that may be left. I'm often told not to worry about it. I've only used "snow storm" outdoors.
Message: Posted by: Sam Sandler (Feb 21, 2011 08:49PM)
I have been away from this thread for a bit and just read the post and had some good laughs.

just got in and took off my bullet proof vest :)

let me clarify a few things

first yes a lot of my venues are stages as Al pointed out places like casinos but I also play churches, schools, libraries, and yes private homes and yes I do the snow storm there.

really I am surprised by all panic most of you seem to have. I am a professional just like many of you here on the Café and by putting it in my contract and specifically making them aware of it at the time of booking the show I see know problem with it.

I get a lot of repeat bookings and yes they ask for the snow illusion. I also bump into people in every day life that recognize me and mention that very illuion.

I go into homes and do the snow and yes leave the mess. I used to take a small shop vac but they would never let me clean it up.

look the reality is if you make the client aware of it then there is no problem. not one of my follow up letters with comment section ever got me a complaint. I did have library once that asked to have me back but would rather not have the snow this year. cool with me

any way make a mess and have some fun!!

sam
Message: Posted by: Mando (Feb 23, 2011 01:16AM)
Ive always for soem reason have second questioned performing my snowstorm act in childrens parties because of the fact of leaving a mess at the venue.
Message: Posted by: magic4u02 (Feb 23, 2011 07:01PM)
It's quite simple for me really. If you make a mess, you clean it up. No questions asked. you leave the place as you found it. No exscuse to leave a mess at a venue even if a client said it was ok. Be a professional.

Kyle
Message: Posted by: JimbosMagic (Feb 24, 2011 05:10AM)
Quite Simple, don't make a mess in the first place.
And if you do have paper or mess lying around. make it a game for the kids to pick it up. A prize for the one who picks up the most paper and puts it in the bin.
Message: Posted by: Sam Sandler (Feb 24, 2011 08:23AM)
HOLD ON! YOUR SAYING THAT I AM NOT PROFESSIONAL FOR LEAVING THE SNOWSTORM!

say it aint so! it has nothing to do with being professional! I don't think Copperfield is staying after to sweep up the snow from his show.

I always clean up everything from my show except the snow. after 50 or so shows where I asked permission to do the effect and then brought a mini shop vac to clean it up and EVERY ONE OF THEM would not let me do it. they all said please don't clean it up we will do it! so I now tell the clients wheather it be in a home or on a stage at a school or church etc that I do this illuion and that no I don't stay to clean it up.

nothing unprofessional about that at all.

Now Kyle- yes at knobels I have always cleaned up the conffetti but that was also part of the agreement with them.

again I don't see how this is unprofessional in any way. if you prefer to clean it up then great. I don't see it that way and don't have a problem nor do my clients who book me year after year after year after year and many making sure that I do the snow illusion!

ok done venting now:)

sammy
Message: Posted by: francisngkl (Feb 24, 2011 08:29AM)
I own childcare centers and although I perform for our children regularly, parents do sponsor professional magic shows once a while. I assure all of you that those who bother to clean up will definitely create very good impression. In fact, they are the ones that the teachers remember to recommend when the need arises (probably the magicians have made their life a little easier, but that is a separate issue). So this is right from the horses' mouth...It's just good for business
Message: Posted by: Sam Sandler (Feb 24, 2011 09:02AM)
That sounds good but I perform in 30-50 daycares every summer year after year never had a problem!

they actually request the trick. they have pictures hanging on the wall of the kids jumping up to catch the snow its a great kodak moment and they love it.

look I am not trying to convince any one here that they are wrong or that I am right just don't want to be called unprofessional for peforming a spectactular illusion that gets great reacations and requested all the time.

I agree whole heartily that you should never make a "mess" - I never leave broken balloons or trash, water bottles etc and if you move some thing put it back however the confetti from my show is not that big of a deal to my clients or else I would be out of a job by now.

I am not going ot argue this point any more do as you wish but please know that there is nothing wrong with putting in your contract what you do and what you are responsible for and what the client is responsible for.

sam
Message: Posted by: magic4u02 (Feb 24, 2011 06:07PM)
Sam: My comment was not aimed at you in the least. Not at all. It was a general statement to everyone as a whole about making messes and cleaning them up at venues. Just my opinion is all.

Really, it was not aimed at you at all. Sorry if you took it that way. =)

Kyle
Message: Posted by: Sam Sandler (Feb 24, 2011 08:19PM)
You know Kyle I knew that I just got a little worked up there my friend! and I mean that you are my friend and appreciate your friendship! I know that it was not aimed at me sorry for coming off so harsh!

I understand you completely and for you its what you want in not leaving anything behind but for me and my clients it works.

trust me I finish packing at these homes or daycares and look at the place being a disaster and think really they pay me to do this and whats crazy is they bring me back year after year!

but they love it and that is all that matters.

sam
Message: Posted by: magic4u02 (Feb 24, 2011 10:39PM)
No problem. It's all good.

Kyle
Message: Posted by: ku7uk3 (Feb 25, 2011 04:03AM)
So... Don't leave a mess unless you like really like the messy trick and believe yourself to be too 'important' to tidy up after yourself.

Is that the message sumafied or have I got it wrong?

And as for getting repeat shows after doing snowstorm. I think we have all mentioned the fact that this is really not the issue at play, its more about manors. If you create a mess, you should tidy up. Regardless of whether a client books you again. It might be your the only entertainer in town, or that they know. In which case they may hate the trick, but have no other option than to hire you again as you are the only entertainer. It doesn't mean they like having to clean up after you.

Let's put it this way, if you hired an entertainer and they leaved a mess at your home, nursery, village hall etc. Would you hire them again after they have made a mess?
Message: Posted by: magicgeorge (Feb 25, 2011 04:08AM)
Well at least Stephen's business is picking up.

Kaboom tish! I thank you.
Message: Posted by: ku7uk3 (Feb 25, 2011 06:00AM)
Huh?
Message: Posted by: magicgeorge (Feb 25, 2011 06:15AM)
I'm confused too. What has this got to do with country houses?
Message: Posted by: Sam Sandler (Feb 25, 2011 07:49AM)
Sure if the show I booked has a spectacular illusion or trick that they told me in advance that makes a mess and that I need to clean it up then I have no problem.

I think you are missing the point. staying to clean up the snow storm has nothing to do with being a professional or not being one.

in my contract it states things like needing tables for back stage,table and charis for lobby, full length mirror, trash can, water, soda, and mentions that I nor my team members stay to sweep up. at a theatre, or church or school, they have a clean up crew that comes in to... well clean up!

at a home party I make it very clear what I do and they never have a problem. oh and some one made the comment about being the only magician in town -- I know not directed specifallly at me I am just informing there are a very large number of magicians in my area mater of fact with in 60 minute radius there are some very famous and extremely talented magicians. I am lucky to live in this area where so many great magicians live. I get to bounce ideas off them and see some great shows.
there is even a juggler lives right up the street from me. (HI Al) LOL

so let me ask you all when you do a house party do you ask them to move the couch and or chair and maybe some toys?? so that you can have more space to set up?

sammy
Message: Posted by: ku7uk3 (Feb 25, 2011 08:03AM)
Country houses? What on earth are you talking about? Are you responding to the right thread?

As for Sam's question - I do occasionally ask them to move furniture if I feel it right to do so. For instance, moving the couch for the children to get into the room. Its one of those things you consider if you think it will help the children see the show. But I always move the furntiure back after the show.

Steve
Message: Posted by: magicgeorge (Feb 25, 2011 08:13AM)
[quote]
On 2011-02-25 05:03, ku7uk3 wrote:
... its more about manors.[/quote]

Yup.

Are you?
Message: Posted by: kimmo (Feb 25, 2011 12:30PM)
Lol @ George!!!!
Message: Posted by: Al Kazam the Magic Man (Feb 25, 2011 07:25PM)
Cmon George,,,for crying out loud,,,keep up man!! This thread has nothing to do with old houses in the country. Can't you reed propalee? :rolleyes: