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Topic: Sitting or standing
Message: Posted by: david_a_whitehead (Oct 29, 2003 04:35PM)
So I perform close up magic standing up at a table. I feel very uncomfortable sitting at a table and doing card/coin tricks. is there any advantage to sitting besides lapping, I feel like standing gives you greater range of motion thus greater misdirection techniques. any sitters out there??
Message: Posted by: secondbaseman (Oct 29, 2003 04:49PM)
Same here I prefer standing
Message: Posted by: bumbleface (Oct 29, 2003 04:50PM)
Yeah, sitting may be good for conventions and such, but when it comes to performing in the real world, I find that most of the time, I'm forced to stand.... :bikes:
Message: Posted by: david_a_whitehead (Oct 29, 2003 04:58PM)
I heard Larry Jennings used to sit at a table for most of his effects...is this true? was he a lapper? :)
Message: Posted by: flea (Oct 29, 2003 05:39PM)
The only time I would ever consider sitting at a table is if I'm performing in a intimate setting, with about 2-7 people sitting around the same table. Otherwise I really don't see any advantage to sitting. I can only think of two times I've ever performed professionally sitting and honestly, I struggled somewhat, because some moves (even simple ones like the Elmsley count) seemed very awkward to me. I also became paranoid wondering if my angles were the same sitting as they were standing. But hey, that's just me!

Curtis
Message: Posted by: thk5353 (Oct 29, 2003 05:48PM)
Although standing is better just because it is easier to manipulate the cards and pull off sleights, if everyone else is sitting down then there's more exposure. Also by forcing yourself to conceal the angle will make you look awkward. Some tricks don't require too much angle management, like those self working tricks and even tricks like triumph.

So depending on the circumstance, for close-up magic, sit if they are sitting and stand if they are standing. I personally would make them standup by moving them to a chairless table...
Message: Posted by: Mistro (Oct 29, 2003 05:49PM)
I also prefer standing. It gives me a lot more room to wave my hands and stuff.
Message: Posted by: ddjmagic (Oct 29, 2003 06:39PM)
I prefer standing when I am performing, I don't like sitting down unless I need to
Message: Posted by: S2000magician (Oct 29, 2003 06:51PM)
Although I stand for most of my performances, when the atmosphere is right (or my feet are really, really tired ;)) I will sit at a table. Sitting with your audience results in a much more intimate performance, and the results can be startlingly different than when you are standing, even though you're performing the same effects. Many of the strongest reactions I have gotten have come whilst sitting with my audience. You are much more likely to get someone who believes they've seen real magic when sitting with them because it's much more of a "shared" experience than it is a "show".
Message: Posted by: Paul Chosse (Oct 29, 2003 07:02PM)
Don Alan always sat - he believed in being the center of attention - he was the star - people came to see him, not the other way 'round. If he stood at people's tables he was in the "servant" position, like a waiter, there to serve people. Don felt that was a bad position to be in. He did stand to do his standup act, or stage stuff, but that was it - more later...

Best, PSC
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Oct 29, 2003 07:43PM)
To my knowledge, Jennings was NOT a lapper in the sense that Slydini was. Larry may have lapped occasionally, but it wasn't the main thrust of his work.

Many cardmen sit, because when you PLAY cards (poker, etc.) you sit around the table. :readingbook:

Paul, didn't Don "stand" on Magic Ranch, behind a podium type stand? Much like a bar worker.

I know when I saw him work hospitality rooms, etc. he would sit at a large round table with folks seated and another row or two standing behind them. And he would work it out so the table was in a corner so he could sit with his back to the corner to control "where people could stand and watch." :coffee:
Message: Posted by: twistedace (Oct 29, 2003 07:51PM)
I myself prefer to stand. I also find sitting awkward. I've rearranged effects that require lapping in most cases to fit my style with topit work. Not an easy task in most cases. Sitting is ok but I never really get the chance to do it anyway so...I try to always stand.
Message: Posted by: Tommy Brown (Oct 29, 2003 10:26PM)
If I'm ever given the choice, I would rather sit than stand. It's not always practical, but that's what I prefer.
Message: Posted by: flea (Oct 29, 2003 10:43PM)
As long as your comfortable with it, that's the right choice. I really don't think there's a wrong answer here. This is just a list of people's preferences.

Curtis
Message: Posted by: Dorian Rhodell (Oct 30, 2003 12:24AM)
Yes Jennings sat. But it was at the bar!
Message: Posted by: niva (Oct 30, 2003 04:15AM)
That's strange! I was going to ask this same question to people here.

It's all true that sitting makes magic more intimate and that when you play cards you sit. But when you are sitting at a table you don't show the cards in an Elmsley count fashion, for instance. This subject was dealt with by Eugene Burger in his 3 volume.

The Elmsley fashion, is good to show the cards to your self, but not to others. Those who saw Bill Malone's DVDs now what I am talking about. Even though the cameras were everywhere and standing higher than people, sometimes you can't see the cards he is showing. Or else ther is some point where Bill stands up just to do a Colour Change. :lol: Don't get me wrong. Bill is one of the best and funniest performers I have ever seen and maybe I will ever see.

But is it really worth it to sit. Besides, I just started practicing a lot while sitting, and I find it very tiring to practice while sitting. I got such a back ache afterwards. Using a coffee table would be much better, I think. Just my 2 Maltese cents.
Message: Posted by: Scott F. Guinn (Oct 30, 2003 04:36AM)
At restaurants while table-hopping, I stand unless I am specifically invited to sit by the table. Otherwise, I typically stand when the crowd is standing and sit when they are sitting. Most of my informal or impromptu work for a few friends is sitting. If I have a small home party of under about 15 people, I usually sit. It is more intimate--note that the term "stand-offish" is not "sit-offish." The audience tends to get more involved when sitting and it opens up a whole realm of lapping, loads, etc, not possible when standing.

I perform both ways, as the situation warrants. I think it is bad to limit yourself just because something can't ALWAYS be used.
Message: Posted by: Mago Mai (Oct 30, 2003 04:57AM)
Some effects I might saat but if I want to create a powerful close encounter reaction ,I will stand real close to the spectator and lean a little forward to approach him or her closer.This way I can create an atmosphere that what is about to happen willl be important.

Mago Mai