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Topic: Christian Mentalist
Message: Posted by: Mr. F (Oct 13, 2014 07:15PM)
I know that this isn't going to be an easily answered topic, and I'm sure opinions will vary greatly. My relationship with Christ is of the utmost importance to me, and I never want to be a stumbling block to anyone. With that being said, one of my greatest earthly pleasures is mentalism. It absolutely fascinates me. I am also of the mindset that blatantly stating I am a fake is boring and without wonder. At the same time, I believe fake explanations of NLP, body language...are potentially just as damaging as other common claims. What are some thoughts from FCM members and other Christian performers on this matter? I never want someone to think I am claiming to be psychic. At the same time, I love the child-like wonder that the mystery can illicit in audience members. I am of the mindset that disclaimers are only needed when claims are made, and I also believe that people will believe what they already hold true. I say all this to say that I'm curious how others with similar faith and interest feel about this. Thanks.

Josh
Message: Posted by: Ed_Millis (Oct 13, 2014 07:40PM)
Http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=556899&forum=198
Message: Posted by: Mr. F (Oct 13, 2014 08:23PM)
Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Terry Holley (Oct 13, 2014 09:57PM)
This topic has been discussed many, many times. Type "Christian" and "mentalism" in the advanced search engine window and look for the various threads that might relate.
Message: Posted by: Danny Kazam (Oct 14, 2014 11:26AM)
I have had several opinions on this matter in the past. Although the Bible doesn't exactly state all of the things we should avoid, it does make very clear how we are to represent ourselves as Children of God. We are also told to be mindful of others, and not to do things that would cause a brother to stumble in their faith.

The decision is between you and God. Inevitably, God is the final Judge.
Message: Posted by: OzJosh (Oct 29, 2014 08:14PM)
I'm questioning the same thing.
mentalism is a funny form of magic.

I think that making sure that everyone knows that it's not mind reading or future telling.
that it's illusions for entertainment.

than what strikes me is that this may have people fall into the trap of questioning Prophetic words past and future.

my gut feeling says that people who don't understand what is happening (and that's really the idea) have a high risk of double guessing the truth of Jesus.

it's one thing for us to know it's all quick questions and misdirection, but people don't understand it.

I just don't feel right venturing into that side of Magic knowing it has the high ability to make people stumble.
Message: Posted by: themagiciansapprentice (Oct 31, 2014 12:15PM)
I watched John Archer live last night in a Church of 200+.

COMEDY + MAGIC + MENTALISM = great family fun

Nothing dark, nor sinister. Just good clean fun. In the UK, about 1 in 4 Gospel Magicians use some mentalism routine within their stage/Church acts. Even if only a PREDICTION of a named card.
Message: Posted by: Ed_Millis (Nov 1, 2014 12:40AM)
[quote]On Oct 29, 2014, OzJosh wrote:
I'm questioning the same thing.
mentalism is a funny form of magic.

I think that making sure that everyone knows that it's not mind reading or future telling.
that it's illusions for entertainment.

than what strikes me is that this may have people fall into the trap of questioning Prophetic words past and future.

my gut feeling says that people who don't understand what is happening (and that's really the idea) have a high risk of double guessing the truth of Jesus.

it's one thing for us to know it's all quick questions and misdirection, but people don't understand it.

I just don't feel right venturing into that side of Magic knowing it has the high ability to make people stumble. [/quote]
Personally, I think the only time you risk this is when you present it in a risky manner. "Regular" magic, if presented correctly, is not understood. Even if they know "it's a card trick", to watch it happen in front of them or even in their hands and have no explanation is potential for making people wonder about you and "special abilities" and so forth.

Generally speaking, we are the ones who endow mentalism with the "dark side of the force" aura. And that usually means we are playing to our audience's superstitions, not their desire for entertainment.

Ed
Message: Posted by: OzJosh (Nov 2, 2014 05:31AM)
Very true.

I have just started looking into it, I'm unsure of how it's perceived but none the less I'm very impressed
Message: Posted by: jimagic (Dec 4, 2014 09:20PM)
I have answered this question satisfactorily in my own mind in 2 ways: 1) As a user of some "mentalism" routines in my act I inform the audience that I do not read minds: I IMPROVE THEM. I stole that line from someone whom I can't remember, but it sets the audience at ease and at the same time lets them know that my mentalism is fun and entertaining - not "dark magic". 2) For some of the other magical things I offer I let the audience know that my tricks are for entertainment purposes only, and they differ from the MIRACLES that our God an perform. It puts my whole act into context and I try to relate most of my effects to some Biblical principle.
Message: Posted by: J-L Sparrow (Dec 22, 2014 06:52PM)
In "The Good News!" forum there is a topic titled "I am a Christian mentalist in turmoil." Many interesting points were made.

You can find the thread here:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=467371&forum=16

I weighed in with my own opinions in the 54th reply (dated March 11, 2013), but I think a lot of the viewpoints were good ones (not just mine). I suggest reading a few and see if any resonate with you.

God bless!
Message: Posted by: Steve_Mollett (Dec 22, 2014 08:42PM)
If you're unsure, don't do it.
Message: Posted by: MagicKingdom10 (Dec 26, 2014 04:57AM)
Thank you :)
Message: Posted by: Russo (Jan 13, 2015 10:45AM)
I've done a couple Mental effects in my gospel program but never with the claim that Im doing mentalism- I just mention that if I (?) could(?) read their mind - what do they THINK God can do -so be alert When and WHAT YOU THINK. Ralph
Message: Posted by: OzJosh (Jan 15, 2015 05:09AM)
[quote]On Dec 4, 2014, jimagic wrote:
I have answered this question satisfactorily in my own mind in 2 ways: 1) As a user of some "mentalism" routines in my act I inform the audience that I do not read minds: I IMPROVE THEM. I stole that line from someone whom I can't remember, but it sets the audience at ease and at the same time lets them know that my mentalism is fun and entertaining - not "dark magic". 2) For some of the other magical things I offer I let the audience know that my tricks are for entertainment purposes only, and they differ from the MIRACLES that our God an perform. It puts my whole act into context and I try to relate most of my effects to some Biblical principle. [/quote]


I like this, it also helps expose the fakes as well.
I'm rather keen to look into it further.
Message: Posted by: The Urban Entity (Jun 16, 2015 12:59PM)
What we do here is theater. As a mentalist who is a Christian. I don't incorporate the gospel in my presentations. Its not my calling. I am your regular old apologist who spread the word the old fashioned way. That being said, mentalism is not sorcery as spoken in magic. If we look at what the bible says when it means "sorcery",the original writings use the word, "pharmakon" which is medicine or drugs. It was how the people of the old days use to get their gods to speak to the people. In short, they were high, lol. Sorry to be so blunt. That too was a pun. But seriously, I'm giving you the truth. The bible doesn't like is divination. Seeking mediums, psychics, zodiacs, Ouija boards, voodoo.

How does these separate from what we do? When a person seeks a medium or use a vessel or any form of oracle to seek about their actual life. (knowing the future, what can I expect from this new job, am I going to marry the person I'm supposed to be with, etc.), we sin against God. God is the source of all information. If we are seeking real information to learn INSIGHT about ourselves, or the future, or another person WITHOUT ASKING GOD, then we sin.

Mentalists in the traditional sense are not psychics or mediums. Sure, some people do that. But I'm quite sure you don't right? We are guessing thoughts. Not giving insight or proclaiming to know the future. A prediction effect is not doing so. Its merely revealing the answer moments before its revealed on stage.

However, some Q&A's can cross that line when they start claiming to know the future and giving people insights on details in their lives. That I would not do. But something as innocent as a personality reading shouldn't cross that line because you are in the purest essence, hypothesizing or guessing about the character of that person. You are not giving them information about the future or divining outcomes of their lives, and most importantly, you are not REPLACING GOD in the presentation.

Drugs, witchcraft, etc. that's the sorcery spoken of in the bible. I think the best policy we as Christians can tell people about us is that we are magicians. That word lets people know that we are honestly trying to trick you. that's our job to do in the purest essence, tricks.

Is it a lie? Yes and no. Yes, we use deception (a lie) but we are being honesty about what we are going to do. The thing is we are also mystery performers. We use sleight of hand to make it mysterious.

Its like CGI in a movie. We know human being can't fly. But because we know we are watching a "MOVIE" . The word, movie tells us that we know almost everything in it is staged. We don't 100% always know how they achieve the effects, but we know its via camera trick or cut scenes.

When we say magician, people know its a trick. They just don't know how its done.

Hope this helps.
Message: Posted by: magic1977 (Sep 9, 2015 12:44PM)
Brother... A disclaimer should be made at every performance that we do tricks... only God can do a miracle. I would never leave the church audience with the impression that I had any power of my own.
Message: Posted by: The Urban Entity (Sep 14, 2015 08:11AM)
I agree!
Message: Posted by: mindtaker (Nov 30, 2015 07:15PM)
Be honest about your deception and everything will be fine.
Message: Posted by: Russo (Jan 20, 2016 10:46AM)
A lot of times I started my program with the Verse --2 Corinthians 4:1-2 - in my 'living Bible' translations the word TRICK - Fool You, plus other simular words is used. look it up- also when I mention -'if I can read your mind -THINK what our Heavenly Father is reading in YOUR mind." Ralph(russo)Rousseau
Message: Posted by: vannma (Feb 4, 2016 12:16PM)
I do mental epic in my routine for teens or adults (not kids under 12 or so). Put here is how I present it: "How many of you have heard of fortune tellers, horoscopes, biorhythms, mediums and stuff like that? Well, you know it's all fake right? (you will get varying reactions). Well let me demonstrate it for you." I do mental epic and it usually blows then away. Then I say, "now as real as that may have seemed, it is fake! That's right, any of you can go to the local magic shop, or online and buy this for $40 (or what ever the going price is)." Usually I even hand out a advertisement from a big magic dealer showing the price and the effect information. I usually get a good reaction because they got what they came for (good magic that fools them) but they also leave with the truth. Further, I never divulge the method, even though someone almost always begs me to.... lol.
Message: Posted by: kah22 (Apr 25, 2016 09:54AM)
It's not magic, it's trickery. Just tell your audience that you are going to fool them, trick them, that you are going to use psychology, misdirection, suggestion but all in good fun. Now do you think He would object if you said something like that at a wedding breakfast, a nursing home or at your local school. I guess He wouldn't mind
Message: Posted by: Russo (Apr 25, 2016 10:48AM)
Can this help ?? opening my program -using the Spot Card- I quote 2Corinth. 4:1-2 -the 'Living Bible' uses the words 'trick you' other Bibles uses the words Deception-etc. also say I am Not Simon-just use illusion to illustrate(like flannel board-etc) favorite Verses and Personal Witness(personal Witness brings home the message) It works (for me??) Ralph(russo)Rousseau
Message: Posted by: Ed_Millis (Apr 26, 2016 10:09PM)
First, are we talking about performing in a church or other ministry setting? Or in a non-ministry, non-spiritual setting? If I'm delivering a spiritual message to people who have come to hear from God, then yes I'm going to do all I can to make sure everyone knows I am somehow fooling them. And if they want to believe otherwise, then they will have to work very hard at it!

But when I'm performing as some style of magician, I am delivering the product that has been requested. I am fully in a character, and some of those characters completely believe what is happening is real.

This is where we also need to make a distinction between "mental magic" and "pure mentalism". Most magicians present mental magic, which are just tricks with a "mind angle". And in the flow of a typical magic show, the audience knows it's all tricks, even if they don't know how you accomplished the magic. Mentalism (and this has been circulating in Penny) is less about making the audience wonder what you did, and more about leaving the audience pondering who you are and the experience you've just given them.

Most magicians are only concerned with whether "mental magic" or "mentalism" fits their show and their character. Any real and honest Christian has two other things to consider:
-- how we affect other people (which is different in different settings), &
-- how are we being guided by our Lord and King Jesus (which is very individual)

Ed
Message: Posted by: Russo (Apr 27, 2016 11:05AM)
Ref. to your question?? church or other setting - I was talking(?) about starting my GOSPEL program with the Spot card-- We usually start our secular(clean of course)programs with the 'coin Pail' collecting a County(?) Entertainment TAX (L-O-L) Ralph
Message: Posted by: Ed_Millis (Apr 27, 2016 02:00PM)
Sorry, Ralph - that wasn't directed towards you in particular. It was more towards the OP and the general flow of the thread. I was mostly trying to separate the thoughts.

This topic comes up every now and again, and pretty soon it gets muddled to the point that no one remembers exactly what's being discussed - except doing "mentalism". Gospel and secular, magic tricks and "mind magic" and "mentalism" - it all gets thrown into the blender. Makes it hard to tell what is what.

As I see it, how it's approached depends on the setting, what I'm trying to do to the audience, and what God speaks to me as an individual. Sometimes I find it helpful to separate the individual thoughts around the topic and lay them all out to see things more clearly.

No finger-pointing intended - just trying to create some clarity.
And I might have missed!! :8>(

Ed
Message: Posted by: Mike Ince (May 2, 2016 07:29PM)
I've been thinking about what's recorded in Acts 8:9-24. Contrary to popular belief, sorcery appears NOT to always have involved drugs.

Simon was used to doing his tricks and being regarded as someone great. After he became a believer, his glory was knocked down, and God was being glorified through Philip and the other apostles while Simon looked on in amazement. He longed for the old days of being respected (maybe feared) for his convincing effects. I think there's something to glean from careful study of this passage with prayer. Let's dig into it and pray for enlightenment.
Message: Posted by: Russo (May 3, 2016 08:28AM)
I always like to imagine that Simon repented and was used by our Lord - the Movie-"Golden Chalice" over dramatized Simons part.
Message: Posted by: Ed_Millis (May 3, 2016 11:08PM)
I think you can also look at Matt 6:1-6. The real issue wasn't that the activity was public, but *why* it was public. "To be seen of men" - to get their praise as all the reward your heart desires. Jesus did everything in public, but He always pleased the Father, because His heart wasn't set on the praise and rewards of men as the fulfillment of His soul's deepest desires.

As entertainers, we _do_ perform "to be seen of men" - they are the ones paying us, after all! :8>) But, it's nature of the job - the same as the priests in the OT and ministers in the NT had to do their jobs in the public eyes. I think the real question has to do with what satisfies the deepest desires of my heart. Do I want to please men? Or please God?

Simon is a good example: I don't think it was about drugs, but about controlling the affections of others. He wanted them to give him worship and glory, even after they left his "show" -- he wanted to capture their hearts for himself. There was a discussion on the Penny forum recently where we concluded that mentalism differs from magic in that the audience is free to resume their disbelief after a magic show, but a mentalist usually performs so the audience is still affected even after they leave.

And one more thing in my head: I think if a person cares this much about this, then God Himself is leading you through all of this, and it can only have a good outcome.

Ed
Message: Posted by: Terry Holley (May 6, 2016 02:35PM)
[quote]On May 2, 2016, Mike Ince wrote:
I've been thinking about what's recorded in Acts 8:9-24. Contrary to popular belief, sorcery appears NOT to always have involved drugs.

Simon was used to doing his tricks and being regarded as someone great. After he became a believer, his glory was knocked down, and God was being glorified through Philip and the other apostles while Simon looked on in amazement. He longed for the old days of being respected (maybe feared) for his convincing effects. I think there's something to glean from careful study of this passage with prayer. Let's dig into it and pray for enlightenment. [/quote]

There's no reason to infer from the passage that Simon was involved with drugs, as the Greek word is "mageuon" (practice magic). The Greek word that is usually translated "sorcery" and connected to drugs is "pharmakeia." "Pharmakeia" is not connected to Simon.

As I wrote in my book:

L. Acts 8:9-25—Simon the Sorcerer

1. Some popular authors, such as Hal Lindsey and C. Fred Dickason, argue that Simon the Sorcerer performed actual works of power through the agency of Satan.

2. However, nowhere in the account does it say that Simon had supernatural power. The passage simply states that Simon practiced magic (mageuo).

3. The Greek word (existimi), translated "bewitched" in the KJV, is more correctly translated "amazed" in the NIV. This is easily understood when one realizes that a form of the same Greek word is used in Acts 8:13 where Simon is said to have "wondered" (KJV) or have been "astonished" (NIV) when he saw the miracles and signs which were done by God through Philip and particularly when one understands that it is the same Greek word used in Acts 2:7 to describe the reaction of the God-fearing Jews to the manifestation of tongues on the day of Pentecost.

4. If Simon possessed a supernatural demonic power as many would have us believe, he would not have needed to attempt to purchase the Spirit’s power with money. It is evident that when he saw a power (supernatural) that was greater than his (natural), he wanted and needed to purchase it.

Terry
Message: Posted by: kah22 (May 7, 2016 08:10AM)
Hi guys, I really don't understand you. We're talking about entertainment here not theology. I've yet to meet a person who gone to a 'magic show' and believed that the person performing was for real. How many of you feel the need to stand up and say Santa doesn't exsist?

Then again I might be missing the point

Kevin
Message: Posted by: Sardonicus (May 7, 2016 04:42PM)
They're talking about entertainment -and- theology. The Santa analogy doesn't work; the people in this forum maintain that evil and evil entities do exist, and because of those beliefs must maintain a clear disassociation from them. It can be a difficult mind-set to appreciate if you weren't raised in the culture or haven't been much exposed to it.

The Magic Café has quite a few instances of members being at some point accused of witchcraft, sorcery or the like. You might enjoy checking YouTube for videos from people that believe some magic is really supernatural. Search for "demon magic".

I sometimes don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Message: Posted by: Ed_Millis (May 8, 2016 04:05PM)
[quote]On May 7, 2016, kah22 wrote:
Hi guys, I really don't understand you. We're talking about entertainment here not theology. I've yet to meet a person who gone to a 'magic show' and believed that the person performing was for real.[/quote]
And that's why you don't understand us, Kevin. We *have* met those people - and some of us have ~been~ one of those people.

A Christian is one who must live in two different worlds at the same time - the Bible tells us we are IN this world, but not OF this world. As such, we feel the weight of making sure we do not present ourselves as being like those who do belong to this world and see no problem with blurring the lines. We can't control what another person wants to believe. But therein lies *our* responsibility to make sure we have done all we can to make sure it's their choice to believe whatever, and we have not persuaded them to step over a blurred line.

Ed
Message: Posted by: kah22 (May 14, 2016 05:01PM)
[quote]On May 8, 2016, Ed_Millis wrote:
[quote]On May 7, 2016, kah22 wrote:
Hi guys, I really don't understand you. We're talking about entertainment here not theology. I've yet to meet a person who gone to a 'magic show' and believed that the person performing was for real.[/quote]
And that's why you don't understand us, Kevin. We *have* met those people - and some of us have ~been~ one of those people.

A Christian is one who must live in two different worlds at the same time - the Bible tells us we are IN this world, but not OF this world. As such, we feel the weight of making sure we do not present ourselves as being like those who do belong to this world and see no problem with blurring the lines. We can't control what another person wants to believe. But therein lies *our* responsibility to make sure we have done all we can to make sure it's their choice to believe whatever, and we have not persuaded them to step over a blurred line. [/quote] I in no way want to challenge your faith. However take Derren Brown as an example he is an acknowledged atheist and he starts all of his shows by clearly saying that he has no special powers that he will be using TRICKERY, NLP, HYPNOSIS, MAGIC and SHOWMANSHIP.

Is that not all you need to tell your audience?

However, what might be a legitimate objection would be the use of hypnosis for entertainment purposes. Has any of us the right to manipulate other people's minds and I imagine the same would go for NLP?

I would like your thoughts on that

Kevin
Message: Posted by: themagiciansapprentice (May 15, 2016 09:43AM)
I think you'll find that Christian magicians teach us to have a disclaimer - look at the work of Dua
ne Laflin
Message: Posted by: Terry Holley (May 17, 2016 10:42AM)
[quote]On May 7, 2016, kah22 wrote:
Hi guys, I really don't understand you. We're talking about entertainment here not theology. I've yet to meet a person who gone to a 'magic show' and believed that the person performing was for real. How many of you feel the need to stand up and say Santa doesn't exsist?

Then again I might be missing the point

Kevin [/quote]
Here is a link to s recently posted video in the "Good News" area of the Café. Just one example of people who believe that magic is "real." And take a look at the responses! If you aren't familiar with the controversy you have probably never worked in the field of gospel magic or any type of magic that intersects with certain groups of Christianity, other religions or people with superstitious beliefs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkZvYglefsU

Terry
Message: Posted by: takeachance (May 22, 2016 07:59AM)
[quote]On May 17, 2016, Terry Holley wrote:
[quote]On May 7, 2016, kah22 wrote:
Hi guys, I really don't understand you. We're talking about entertainment here not theology. I've yet to meet a person who gone to a 'magic show' and believed that the person performing was for real. How many of you feel the need to stand up and say Santa doesn't exsist?

Then again I might be missing the point

Kevin [/quote]
Here is a link to s recently posted video in the "Good News" area of the Café. Just one example of people who believe that magic is "real." And take a look at the responses! If you aren't familiar with the controversy you have probably never worked in the field of gospel magic or any type of magic that intersects with certain groups of Christianity, other religions or people with superstitious beliefs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkZvYglefsU

Terry [/quote]

But that is totally delusional and that person needs help. You can't be suggesting that magic entertainment needs to be censored because of unbalanced individuals who put up You Tube garbage like that. In fact this is my first and probably last visit to this section of the Café, frightening to say the least.
Message: Posted by: Signor Blitz (May 24, 2016 03:25AM)
[quote]On May 22, 2016, takeachance wrote:
[quote]On May 17, 2016, Terry Holley wrote:
[quote]On May 7, 2016, kah22 wrote:
Hi guys, I really don't understand you. We're talking about entertainment here not theology. I've yet to meet a person who gone to a 'magic show' and believed that the person performing was for real. How many of you feel the need to stand up and say Santa doesn't exsist?

Then again I might be missing the point

Kevin [/quote]
Here is a link to s recently posted video in the "Good News" area of the Café. Just one example of people who believe that magic is "real." And take a look at the responses! If you aren't familiar with the controversy you have probably never worked in the field of gospel magic or any type of magic that intersects with certain groups of Christianity, other religions or people with superstitious beliefs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkZvYglefsU

Terry [/quote]

But that is totally delusional and that person needs help. You can't be suggesting that magic entertainment needs to be censored because of unbalanced individuals who put up You Tube garbage like that. In fact this is my first and probably last visit to this section of the Café, frightening to say the least. [/quote]

I love those "blitzkrieg" post that jump in as a first timer to a forum room with outrage to claim that they will never visit the room in question again - LOL :)

It is as if we are to cower to their righteous indignation without dialogue - It is a Saul Alinsky approach for belittling and not intended for growth.

takeachance - you may walk away shaking your head, but this is a real mindset/worldview that those that work in the gospel marketplace must deal with in our efforts. Granted, not all are as extreme - those folks would never consider such or any program - BUT many mainline denominations have congregants that protest or question our humble, artistic efforts. It only take one to make some noise to cause problems and there are time when churches (out of convenience) to avoid any conflict (which only empowers the protesters ignorance) go in other directions that do not include such speakers and entertainers that incorporate illusions (magic tricks).

If your market is secular - then there is usually no problems - but in a faith-based market, there is a different level of accountability. I trust you understand as each market has its own specific nuances that differentiate it from another.

Take care and God bless.
Message: Posted by: David Thiel (Jul 26, 2016 02:01PM)
You have to see a mentalism performance as a "show." That's all it is...as long as the performer doesn't go out of his way to make it occult. I've been a full time mentalist for seven years...and a comedy magician for 20 years before that...and a Christ follower for 32 years.

Performers perform. They entertain. The hop onto the stage and bring the audience a period of wonder. The issue that separates mentalism from magic the inferred notion that mentalism just MIGHT be real. After all -- no one is going to seriously buy the idea that a performer walks on stage, chops his assistant into three pieces and then reassembles her, right?

But on the flipside: many people -- MANY -- take the whole idea of ESP, telepathy and all the other things that go bump in your mind seriously. After all...who hasn't had the eerie sense that they've been to a place before, or known what someone was going to say before they said it or known for CERTAIN that they were being lied to without completely understanding WHY they know it?

Mentalism is built -- at least partially -- on the delicious idea that MAYBE it's for real...and if HE can do it, maybe I can too.

This is where the whole proposition gets wiggly. IF you've performed mentalism well, you have been approached after the show by members of the audience who want to talk with you about how long you've had the "gift" -- or what psychic impressions you have about (fill in the blank.) And IF that has happened to you, then you also know the much-more-wiggly-and-oily temptation that pops out of their unabashed admiration. That thought: "I could tell these people anything and they would believe me." It's a genuinely horrific moment because looking into the eyes of a True Believer can create an absolute temptation IF YOU FORGET WHO YOUR ULTIMATE BOSS is.

It's not difficult to see how easily some people would be led...and how much many of them want to be led. The Scriptures teach at length about these people. So I would be a liar to say that I didn't wrestle with this for a very long time. After all: who is fool enough to risk offending the Father simply for a job?

I spoke at length about this with some other believing mentalists -- and there are quite a few of them. In the end I came up with something I say in every show: "What you've seen me do here today is something any one of you could do with the proper training and practice. It's a mixture of method, technique and inspiration. I thank you very much for sharing this time with me. May God bless you all." And every word is completely true...at least it is for my show.

It's not a disclaimer that says "Everything you've just seen me do here was a trick." That's absurd. Why do a show if your intent is to destroy everything you've just performed?

When I am hired to perform, I am not hired to sermonize or convert my audiences. I am hired to entertain them. Since I am a professional, working primarily in the corporate sector, that's what I do.

But what else does the Word say? A paraphrase: If one man views one day as holy then it's holy. If another man views all days as holy, then they are. If one man won't eat certain foods, then to him they are unholy. Another man has no problem eating anything? Go for it. That's what it's for.

If you can't reconcile performing mentalism, then don't do it.

I must say that I find the gentleness of this thread refreshing.

David
Message: Posted by: Terry Holley (Jul 26, 2016 04:46PM)
Here's a photo of me performing mentalism in the Summer of 1971 at Cedar Point Amusement Park in Sandusky, OH, 45 years ago when I was 18 years old. Even though I gave a disclaimer, many people who viewed my over 600 shows felt that I had psychic abilities. Leaders and members of one church group that saw me perform thought that I was demonized. I still give a disclaimer.
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Sep 1, 2016 08:56PM)
If the show is positive, uplifting, and I think that if you treat the subject with humor, then you diffuse many of the problems that might arise.
KJ
Message: Posted by: coreyw (Sep 19, 2016 04:00PM)
I have struggled with this myself, and have come up with this as a closer:

"I know you might not understand how everything that happened tonight happened, and that's kind of the point, but realize this: When you know how it works, magic is boring, and most of it could be done by any one of you if you applied yourself. If you want to see a REAL miracle, if you really want to be amazed, be in church this Sunday morning and spend some time with God. He's the only one that amazes without having to pull the wool over your eyes."

Closing with that has alleviated my concerns.
Message: Posted by: Some_Magical_Idiot (Jun 28, 2017 10:08AM)
Commenting for future reference. Thanks
Message: Posted by: MSaber (May 17, 2018 06:02PM)
I admire the fact that you're not misleading people into thinking you're doing something supernatural. Maybe try explaining it in terms of psychology. I think people will still be impressed.