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Topic: A simple poll
Message: Posted by: Terrible Wizard (Oct 30, 2014 10:38AM)
Hi folks,

For all you stack and mem deck users out there, a simple poll. Can you state which stack(s)/ mem deck(s) you use, and I'll tally up the results :)

If you use more than one then please list all that you use. Doesn't matter for this poll exactly how you define a stack/ mem-deck, so whether you use Si Stebbins, or Aronson, NDO, or Sam the Bellhop, just note it. If you use one of your own creation, whether a shuffled and memorised deck, or one with more thought in it, just refer to it as 'own deck'.

If there is more than one variation of a stack could you please specify the version? So, for example, Si Stebbins can come in a variety of forms: 3 or 4; Chased or Shocked; regular or pro, etc. If you've tweaked an established set-up you can note that also.

Thanks! :)
Message: Posted by: sgtgrey (Oct 30, 2014 10:55AM)
I typically use:

-NDO
-Mnemonica - my main mem. deck
-Mnemonica stay stack (and stay stack "wheel")
-CHSD 3 Si Stebbins regular
-(I use CHSD 4 Si Stebbins regular for one Ben Earl routine)
-Sam the Bellhop

Stacks I have tried out/used in the past, but no longer use:
-8 Kings
-Brainstorm
-Joyal
-Nikola
-Bart Hartling
-Osterlind BCS

I think that's it for me...most of the time I am using Mnemonica or Si Stebbins, depending on the set. Now that I've discovered there's a way to get to Aronson from NDO, I'm excited about the ability to access Mnemonica, Stay Stack, Si Stebbins, and Aronson all through the NDO link by shuffling and culling. I much prefer to shuffle into a stack, even prior to performance, than to set the stack card by card. I even once timed myself to compare, and realized that I could shuffle from NDO into any of these stacks in 30s to 1 min vs. 2-3 min to stack the cards from NDO or a shuffled deck card by card. If you're stacking the deck quite often, those time savings add up!
Message: Posted by: Pasteboard Alchemist (Oct 30, 2014 11:37AM)
I currently use:
- Stay Stack (on the way from NDO to Woody or Tamariz's stack, or from this stacks heading back towards NDO)
- Woody Aragon's Stack (which I transition to/from Mnemonica)
- Mnemonica (my primary worker)
- Luke Jermay's Story Deck
Message: Posted by: sgtgrey (Oct 30, 2014 12:00PM)
Oh! Speaking of Woody reminds me I forgot to mention that I use two trick-specific stacks of his - one for routined spelling and one for a poker demonstration - from time to time. Thanks for that reminder! :)
Message: Posted by: LesL (Oct 30, 2014 12:31PM)
Si Stebbins
Osterlind BCS
Sam the Bell Hop
Nyman's "The Code" which is a hybrid gaff and stack deck.
Message: Posted by: JBSmith1978 (Oct 30, 2014 03:18PM)
Mnemonica.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 30, 2014 05:09PM)
Aronson--primary
Si Stebbins

Played around with Osterlind BCS and Doug Dyment's Quickstack.

And recently been introduced to Greg Chapman's stack...
Message: Posted by: Tim Cavendish (Oct 30, 2014 06:05PM)
Aronson.
Message: Posted by: minty (Oct 30, 2014 06:38PM)
Osterlind BCS.
Message: Posted by: Cain (Oct 30, 2014 07:11PM)
Stay-stack similar to Mnemonica (basically four faros from a slightly modified NDO).

Previous stacks:
For a few years I used a stack that was NDO given five faros (which Michael Skinner discusses in CLASSIC SAMPLER).
I initially set out to memorize Aronson, but then I read the above-mentioned Skinner book.
Message: Posted by: Zack_Johnston (Oct 30, 2014 09:25PM)
Mnemonica (Tamariz): Primary use

NDO: Occasional use

Memorized BCS (Osterlind): Occasional use

My own stack: Occasional use
Message: Posted by: Terrible Wizard (Oct 31, 2014 03:53AM)
Thanks ... Keep them coming guys and I'll tally.

I'm genuinely surprised that so many seem to use multiple stacks! I thought most would use just one or two, really.
Message: Posted by: tomboston (Oct 31, 2014 04:04AM)
Mnemonica.
Message: Posted by: ddyment (Oct 31, 2014 01:59PM)
My three ...

Sequential stack: DAO

Memorized stack: QuickerStack

Zener symbol stack: Zenith
Message: Posted by: lcwright1964 (Oct 31, 2014 07:36PM)
Mnemonica memorized
Aronson not memorized for tricks not needing memorization (i.e., the last section of Try the Impossible, some of Eric Richardson's creations)
Si Stebbins or 8K where the symmetry of a rosary stack required. May or may not obscure the suit order with the "shift forward for A-2-3-4" device given by Simon Aronson in The Aronson Approach.
Aronson's Simon-Eyes stack (The Aronson Approach) for, obviously Simon-Eyes. Also perfectly suited to other tricks using a Si Stebbins or 8K (it is simply another rosary stack).

Have also used Osterlind BCS (not memorized), but can't think of anything to do with it which can't be done with Mnemonica.

Next project is to memorized Aronson as well as I know Mnemonica. I think it is perfectly feasible to memorize more than one stack and keep them straight.

Les
Message: Posted by: alicauchy (Nov 1, 2014 04:18AM)
Mnemonica
Si Stebbins (3 CHSD as obtained from NDO)
Woody's stack for poker demo
NDO
Ocassionally Osterlind
Message: Posted by: chappy (Nov 1, 2014 04:47AM)
My own stack. I used Simon Aronson's for many years prior to that.
Message: Posted by: Vlad_77 (Nov 1, 2014 05:10AM)
Mnemonica
Message: Posted by: Michael J (Nov 1, 2014 06:32AM)
Si Stebbins
Nikola
Message: Posted by: landmark (Nov 1, 2014 10:17AM)
[quote]On Nov 1, 2014, chappy wrote:
My own stack. [/quote]

Understandably so. Greg (chappy) Chapman's stack is specifically designed for those who do gambling type material. It's got two built-in Texas Hold'em hands, and a myriad of ways to get to three and four of a kind. It's got some non-gambling features as well. I predict that a certain type of magician will be making it his or her secondary stack, with some even making it their primary one. Like Aronson and Mnemonica, a face-up spread reveals nothing.
Message: Posted by: bartleby (Nov 1, 2014 07:47PM)
I am new to this and have not performed in public so I don't know if I count but I have been using the 8 Kings stack exclusively for my little circle.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Nov 1, 2014 08:16PM)
Of course you count, bartleby! Welcome.
Message: Posted by: Nick Pudar (Nov 1, 2014 10:25PM)
Aronson
My own stack
Si Stebbins for a couple tricks that rely on it

Nick
Message: Posted by: Terrible Wizard (Nov 2, 2014 02:49AM)
If I discount stacks that have only been tried, just introduced to, or considered, then I think the tally so far is (please correct me if wrong):

Mnemonica 9
Si Stebbins (any variation, but usually 3 CHSD) 8
Aronson 5
BCS 4
Woody Aragon's Stack 3
Stay Stack 3 (all variations, not sure how to group this)
NDO 3
STB 2
8Ks 2
Own Stack (not public) 2
Nikola 1
Greg Chapman's Stack 1
QuickerStack 1
DAO 1
Luke Jermay's Story Deck 1
Zenith Zener Symbol Stack 1
Message: Posted by: Steve Burton (Nov 3, 2014 06:17PM)
Nikola.
Message: Posted by: Double J (Nov 3, 2014 07:57PM)
Aronson
Message: Posted by: chado158 (Nov 4, 2014 08:05AM)
Aronson
Message: Posted by: John J (Nov 4, 2014 12:54PM)
Aronson
Message: Posted by: vindar (Nov 4, 2014 05:24PM)
Mnemonica
Message: Posted by: drmagico (Nov 4, 2014 05:49PM)
Si Stebbens
Kindergarten stack
Message: Posted by: Ian Richards (Nov 4, 2014 07:44PM)
Aronson
Message: Posted by: Kjellstrom (Nov 5, 2014 02:30AM)
Mnemonica
Joyal (Ebook: http://www.joyalstack.com/magic-books/name/joyal-martin )
Si Stebbins
New Deck Order
Message: Posted by: Terrible Wizard (Nov 5, 2014 04:57AM)
The current, updated totals so far:

Mnemonica 11
Si Stebbins (any variation, but usually 3 CHSD) 10
Aronson 9
BCS 4
NDO 4
Woody Aragon's Stack 3
Stay Stack 3 (all variations, not sure how to group this)
STB 2
8Ks 2
Own Stack (not public) 2
Nikola 2
Greg Chapman's Stack 1
QuickerStack 1
DAO 1
Luke Jermay's Story Deck 1
Zenith Zener Symbol Stack 1
Kindergarten Stack 1
Joyal Stack 1
Message: Posted by: mtgoldstein (Nov 5, 2014 07:45PM)
Quickerstack.


Can anyone give me a source on Greg Chapman's ?
Message: Posted by: landmark (Nov 5, 2014 10:26PM)
Greg's stack will be published in his forthcoming book [i]The Devil's Staircase.[/i] I believe there's a thread elsewhere in this section talking about it.
Message: Posted by: civins (Dec 29, 2014 11:10AM)
I use stebbins.

Bought aronsons bounds to please. But never got round to memorising.
Message: Posted by: Waterloophai (Dec 29, 2014 12:36PM)
Maigret stack
Message: Posted by: Remillard (Dec 29, 2014 05:38PM)
Mnemonica

Notice that you're not counting the votes for Sam The Bellhop.
Message: Posted by: Remillard (Dec 29, 2014 05:41PM)
Whoops. My bad. Just realized that you had shortened the name of Sam the Bellhop in the list. I use it occasionally. Sure it's a one trick pony ( no pun intended) but it's amazing how much people flip over a few false shuffles and cuts.
Message: Posted by: Joey_Z (Dec 29, 2014 07:27PM)
Mnemonica (or at least working on it)
Message: Posted by: dykstraj99 (Dec 29, 2014 09:34PM)
Mnemonica
Message: Posted by: Shadowstalker (Dec 30, 2014 01:17AM)
I used osterlinds BCS,
but will convert to mnemonica
Message: Posted by: The_MetalMaster (Dec 30, 2014 10:35AM)
Aronson
Message: Posted by: MScapes (Jan 1, 2015 10:32AM)
Mnemonica
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Jan 1, 2015 11:02AM)
Osterlind
Message: Posted by: J-L Sparrow (Jan 1, 2015 11:19AM)
As for me, what first got me hooked on stacks was the basic Si Stebbins stack (CHaSeD order) that I found in a library book. I still use it at times when I perform a trick that works perfectly well with the Si Stebbins stack, but I've abandoned CHaSeD order in favor of SHoCkeD order, which makes a lot more sense to me.

When I discovered Richard Osterlind's BCS I immediately fell in love with it and used it whenever I could. I eventually switched over to Doug Dyment's DAO stack. However, later I memorized the BCS (making it MBCS for me), so now BCS has once again become my main non-Si-Stebbins-like stack.

As for memorized deck work, my first true memorized deck was Joyal SHoCkeD (after trying to learn the Nikola stack and subsequently giving up). Then I learned and dabbled a bit with Doug Dyment's QuickerStack (which I still use every once in a while). Some time later I was inspired by Martin Joyal's work to create my own stack, and soon after that I memorized Osterlind's BCS/MBCS stack (as I mentioned above) which is now my main memdeck.

To summarize:

For non-memdeck work, I use the BCS, with occasional use of the traditional Si Stebbins stack in SHoCkeD order.

For memdeck work, I use the MBCS (the Memorized Breakthrough Card System).

Overall, if I had to pick just one, I would say I use Osterlind's MBCS stack.
Message: Posted by: dannywu (Jan 2, 2015 10:19AM)
Mnemonica
Message: Posted by: KLG (Jan 21, 2015 05:28AM)
Mnemonica. Studying Woody Aragon's now. Will probably use both.
Message: Posted by: robinr (Jan 27, 2015 05:32PM)
I use a stack of my own which was inspired by Doug Dyment's "Quikstack." Karl Fulves published it in "Prolix #8." Many of the classic Si Stebbins quick ways to know how many cards are removed from the deck also work with this (as they would with Doug's stack). I find that combination together with knowing where any card is in the deck (and vice versa), makes a nice combination.

I've used almost all the simple cyclical stacks at one time or another for particular situations. Lately I often use a version of Docc Hilford's "Syndrome" deck using "8 Kings". This is very nice as the deck can be both riffle-shuffled (face-up) and overhand-shuffled (face-down), without ruining the way the deck works. Of course, this is not a true memorized deck.
Message: Posted by: george1953 (Jan 27, 2015 06:59PM)
Richar Osterlinds breakthrough card system.
Message: Posted by: mbwambwa (Jan 29, 2015 05:24PM)
I only use Si Stebbims (learning the Aronson stack now).
Message: Posted by: TazBo (Feb 23, 2015 06:12PM)
Mnemonica
Message: Posted by: Jerry (Feb 26, 2015 06:11PM)
Mnemonica
BCS (Ostelind)
Message: Posted by: dylanxtay (Feb 26, 2015 07:28PM)
Mnemonica
Kindergarten Stack (Michael Weber)
Message: Posted by: silvercup (Feb 27, 2015 10:41AM)
Aronson.
Message: Posted by: Rogerbest (Feb 27, 2015 04:05PM)
Joyal stack with some minor variations.
Message: Posted by: stickmondoo (Apr 1, 2015 06:24AM)
I use Mnemonica mainly.
Sometimes Si Stebbins 3 or 4
When King Jack Stack (I think I found this in a Jack Kent Tiller book) suits change red red black black on A 2 3 4 so it looks random
Use stay stack a lot in full deck and small packet effects
At the moment though, a stack which I am playing with and is just great is one I found in Woody Aragons Book in English. It's a stay stack Memorized ESP deck that can be fairly shuffled dealt and cut, but remains in perfect order. It's pretty astounding as are all the routines in that great book.
Who killed Lilly Long Legs by Simon Lovell
Perfect from Mr Bannons new book Zero
1-0-1 deck
Total Surrender stack from Art Decko
I am thinking of using Square Deal stack from same book too.
Half of Lennart Greens Recycling Poker Stack
Higgledy Piggledy Poker stack (my name, original is in Appocalypse, but my Memory not too good. Similar recycling poker stack but with three rounds of dealing getting progressively better. Think it might be called progressive poker or something like that. Great stack.
Big Deal by Joshua Jay
I like stacks
Message: Posted by: J Christensen (Apr 2, 2015 06:13AM)
Aronson, since 1979.
Message: Posted by: Melies (Apr 8, 2015 09:06PM)
Stebbins
Message: Posted by: konstant (Apr 9, 2015 11:03AM)
Mnemonica.
I always try to left prepared the stack when I finish training. It is my last job of every day.
Message: Posted by: stickmondoo (Apr 10, 2015 11:39AM)
I am going to put another vote in for the Dao stack. If you just need a rotational stack it's fantastic. Only started working with it this week. Much more random than Si Stebbins and Eight Kings, but just as easy to work out which card is next. I like it a lot.
Message: Posted by: BarryFernelius (Apr 10, 2015 12:30PM)
Joyal Stack (SHoCkeD)
Si Stebbins (3, CHaSeD)
Message: Posted by: Stanyon (Apr 16, 2015 08:35PM)
Stebbins from NDO.

Cheers! ;)
Message: Posted by: RogerTheShrubber (Apr 17, 2015 12:42PM)
I haven't done much with stacks, and until a under a year ago Eight Kings, Nikola and Si Stebbins were the only ones I even knew (with Eight Kings being the only one I've ever done a trick with for others). Lately I've become more interested in stacks, though, so for voting purposes count me down for Joyal and Aronson.

This thread, however, has strongly encouraged me to give Mnenomica a test drive.
Message: Posted by: THECLAW (Apr 22, 2015 07:59AM)
Dyments Quicker Stack - the best
Si Stebbins with the Darwin Ortiz Shuffle
Message: Posted by: superej68 (May 11, 2015 05:06PM)
Mnemonica from ndo, sometimes ndo
Message: Posted by: Chris.Z (May 22, 2015 11:36PM)
I am currently learning Tom Crosbies Shadow Stack.
Message: Posted by: Tom Cutts (May 27, 2015 05:27PM)
When I use a stack it's The Aronson Stack. I like refreshing my mind on it to bring it up to performance levels. It's the first I learned so it's stuck in there. :P

Simon has some nice insights and tips in a free download called [url=https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/magic-downloads/free-magic-downloads/memories-are-made-of-this/]Memeories Are Made of This[/url] from Vanishing Inc. Follow that link and get it for free.
Message: Posted by: Francois Lagrange (May 31, 2015 08:22AM)
Aronson Stack.
Message: Posted by: Ken Abbott (Jun 2, 2015 11:31AM)
Aronson stack
Message: Posted by: Terrible Wizard (Jun 17, 2015 03:50PM)
The current, updated totals so far:

Mnemonica 24
Si Stebbins (any variation, but usually 3 CHSD) 18
Aronson 16

BCS 9

NDO 5
Woody Aragon's Stack 4
Stay Stack 4 (all variations, not sure how to group this)
Joyal Stack 4
STB 3
8Ks 3
QuickerStack 3

Own Stack (not public) 2
Nikola 2
DAO 2
Kindergarten Stack 2
Greg Chapman's Stack 1
Luke Jermay's Story Deck 1
Zenith Zener Symbol Stack 1
Maigret Stack 1
Robinr's Stack 1
Shadow Stack 1
Message: Posted by: SteveFromSpokane (Jun 28, 2015 06:44AM)
Aronson.
Message: Posted by: Tom G (Jun 28, 2015 09:26AM)
Quickerstack. I'm totally impressed by people that say they use a couple of memstacks. I work at keeping one usable.
Message: Posted by: (a)ndy (Jun 30, 2015 05:28AM)
[quote]On Jun 28, 2015, Tom G wrote:
Quickerstack. I'm totally impressed by people that say they use a couple of memstacks. I work at keeping one usable. [/quote]
Me too!!!
I use Mnemonica.
Message: Posted by: Ferry Gerats (Jul 16, 2015 04:34PM)
I used to use Si Stebbins, which I had memorized as well. Nowadays I use my own stack.
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Jul 17, 2015 12:25PM)
Isis, by Isidore Buc
Message: Posted by: FoggFactor (Jul 31, 2015 12:51PM)
Joyal is my working stack right now.

I have Mnemonica and Aronson on my to learn list and will transition to using one of those soon.
Message: Posted by: Ricardo Delgado (Aug 3, 2015 01:30PM)
Mnemonica
Message: Posted by: Brian Thomas (Aug 7, 2015 05:14AM)
Aronson.
Message: Posted by: jmbulg (Aug 7, 2015 09:28AM)
Aronson (but without a particular reason of chosing it rather than Mnemonica)
Message: Posted by: Adrian Deery (Aug 24, 2015 01:51PM)
Aronson stack and BCS
Message: Posted by: Hayre (Aug 28, 2015 05:56PM)
Stebbins, usually +4
Message: Posted by: Ben Blau (Aug 29, 2015 06:18PM)
Eight Kings, with a special modification taught to me by Pablo Amira.
Message: Posted by: Herr Brian Tabor (Aug 29, 2015 11:47PM)
Aronson
Message: Posted by: Terrible Wizard (Sep 3, 2015 08:35AM)
The current, updated totals so far:

Mnemonica 26
Aronson 21
Si Stebbins (any variation, but usually 3 CHSD) 20

BCS 10

Joyal Stack 5
NDO 5
Woody Aragon's Stack 4
Stay Stack 4 (all variations, not sure how to group this)
8Ks 4
QuickerStack 4

STB 3
Own Stack (not public) 3
Nikola 2
DAO 2
Kindergarten Stack 2

Greg Chapman's Stack 1
Luke Jermay's Story Deck 1
Zenith Zener Symbol Stack 1
Maigret Stack 1
Robinr's Stack 1
Shadow Stack 1
Isis Stack 1
Message: Posted by: Terrible Wizard (Sep 13, 2015 03:57AM)
I'm quite surprised by some of the results. I fully expected Mmemonica and Aronson to be top, but the popularity gap between the top few and the rest is very high. Also, I didn't realise there were so many stacks - quite a few I never heard of! And I'm surprised that so many use their own stack. Also, a little surprised how few bother with Nikola - I guess it had been surpassed.

Anyone else surprised at any of the results?
Message: Posted by: TazBo (Sep 13, 2015 05:10AM)
This poll has been going for a year now, and what I am surprised at is, either there isn't that many magicians using stacks or that they haven't seen this poll.
Message: Posted by: Cohiba (Sep 13, 2015 01:56PM)
Thought I had responded...

I started with Aronson, but now use my own stack.
Message: Posted by: bud.scott (Oct 2, 2015 10:27PM)
Mnemonica
Message: Posted by: esmerdon (Oct 3, 2015 08:07AM)
Learning Mnemonica now
Message: Posted by: Zipposrsa (Dec 4, 2015 11:35AM)
Not sure if you are still polling - Mnemonica (I am guily of being a Tamariz fan though)
Message: Posted by: rapmr (Dec 4, 2015 04:20PM)
Mnemonica (learning stages)
Message: Posted by: Geeraff12 (Dec 5, 2015 06:11PM)
Mnemonica, NDO, Stebbins 3 C, own.
Message: Posted by: Ferry Gerats (Dec 5, 2015 11:38PM)
My own stack
Message: Posted by: RiderBacks (Dec 6, 2015 12:03AM)
The only stack I know is the Aronson. Not sure I want to vote, though, I'm happy with the research I did before picking the Aronson stack. And since I've learned it, I thought I might as well comment. Still working on speeding up recall. It'll probably be another two months before I start getting serious with it. At this point, if you give me one to two minutes, I can write down every card at its proper position, but that's not quite enough.
Message: Posted by: H2Odesign (Jan 5, 2016 06:33PM)
Aronson all the way (although I'm finally getting down to learning Mnemonica)
Message: Posted by: Uli Weigel (Jan 6, 2016 08:03AM)
Mnemonica
Si Stebbins (for one trick, that can't be done with a memorized deck)
Message: Posted by: Chano (Jan 6, 2016 11:03AM)
I use Osterlind's BCS.
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Jan 7, 2016 07:10AM)
Isis
Message: Posted by: ymumagic (Jan 11, 2016 04:01PM)
Mnemonica only
Message: Posted by: Duoquadragesimus (Feb 21, 2016 08:24AM)
I love Mnemonica, but I also use regular Si Stebbins occasionally.
Message: Posted by: marc_carrion (Feb 21, 2016 11:27AM)
Mnemonica and Si Stebbins here too
Message: Posted by: IMAGINACIAN (Feb 29, 2016 06:49AM)
Is stack magic not so popular ? Anyone seeing this thread may have to believe so. Out of over 60k Café members, only about 100 respond about their stacks - that too in about 2 years. Or am I missing something ? However, this thread is a great effort.

I have been with 8 Kings & Stebbins all these years. But now trying to look around and pick up another one.
Message: Posted by: Terrible Wizard (Mar 4, 2016 05:19PM)
The current, updated totals so far:

Mnemonica 35
Aronson 23
Si Stebbins (any variation, but usually 3 CHSD) 25

BCS 11

Joyal Stack 5
NDO 6
Woody Aragon's Stack 4
Stay Stack 4 (all variations, not sure how to group this)
8Ks 5
QuickerStack 4

STB 3
Own Stack (not public) 6
Nikola 2
DAO 2
Kindergarten Stack 2

Greg Chapman's Stack 1
Luke Jermay's Story Deck 1
Zenith Zener Symbol Stack 1
Maigret Stack 1
Robinr's Stack 1
Shadow Stack 1
Isis Stack 2
Message: Posted by: misamagic (Mar 4, 2016 11:38PM)
Joyal Stack (CHaSeD)
Just a beginner.
Message: Posted by: blurrylines (Jun 5, 2016 01:17AM)
Aronson
Message: Posted by: M. Tesla (Jun 5, 2016 11:02AM)
[quote]On Jan 7, 2016, doriancaudal wrote:
Isis [/quote]
Isn't that a terrorist stack? :lol:
Message: Posted by: carlyle (Jun 5, 2016 01:03PM)
Si Stebbins, in CHaSeD order. I only use it for a couple of tricks, but after learning how to determine the position of any card named, it's become kind of a fun thing to practice. Not that it'll ever be automatic (the math's not that hard, but still requires too much thought for me at the moment). Learning another stack would probably be easier in the long run (and much handier for more effects, probably).

For a control, I've been working on ideas using a partial stack (say the clubs in order from king to ace). Not sure it counts as a stack per se, but it's fun working out the different possibilities. It's also been very good practice at estimation and false cuts/shuffles. Particularly for estimation - I've been wanting to get the stack down to perhaps five or six cards, then you could almost do it impromptu. Or alternatively, learn to memorize the bottom five or six cards in a shuffled deck in order - but that's for some other time. It seems difficult enough, but utterly confusing when I actually try to practice it more than a couple of times in a row.
Message: Posted by: RDeNatale (Jun 16, 2016 10:12AM)
I'm learning Mnemonica.

I'm curious, I think I saw one or two replies saying they had memorized a sequential stack like BCS or Si Stebbins. Do people really do this?

To me, memorizing a stack means that you know the location of each card and can quickly retrieve the card for any location, or the location for any card,

Sequences let you given a card, determine the next, and with varying difficulty, the previous card. They trade off the need to memorize the stack or some mental calculation. Si Stebbins and Eight Kings are based on simple calculations, but the color and value patterns make them seem fishy. BCS addresses this at the cost of a more complex calculation to go forward in the sequence, and an even more complicated calculation to go backwards.
Message: Posted by: sgtgrey (Jun 16, 2016 12:46PM)
There are some who memorize those stacks. I know a few who have memorized Si Stebbins as a memorized deck. The benefit to this is that you retain all the properties of the rosary stack and the unique "built-in" effects that use the Si Stebbins pattern (e.g. Up the Ante immediately comes to mind), as well as the ability to very quickly shuffle into it from NDO. The cons of a Si Stebbins stack also remain, however. After experimenting with a few different stacks and for many individual reasons, I settled with Mnemonica, personally.
Message: Posted by: IMAGINACIAN (Jun 26, 2016 04:59AM)
A curious observation here. Some popular stacks have so far drawn a blank here.

Boris Wild stack and Charles Gauci stack for example. Or Karma Deck which claims to be the best selling stack. Or the more recent stacks like Requeim or Solution which made quite a splash here.

One of my favs 8K is nowhere as popular as it should have been (just my opinion)
Message: Posted by: A. Evans (Jun 26, 2016 01:40PM)
I tend to use either the:

Si Stebbins

or the

Nikola
Message: Posted by: everitt99 (Jun 27, 2016 12:36AM)
Mnemonica and Si Stebbins 3 CHSD for me. I also want to learn Aronson's stack, but don't know how it will conflict with Mnemonica.
Message: Posted by: Imirik (Jul 31, 2016 06:16PM)
I use only the Mnemonica
Message: Posted by: cfirwin3 (Aug 1, 2016 06:37AM)
My own version of Sam the Bellhop that turns the original 4 personalities into 3 so that I can end in a royal flush. I also use the jokers as quick gags.
Apart from that one stack and the need for partial retentions of culled cards, I don't use any other stacks.
Message: Posted by: Terrible Wizard (Oct 5, 2016 04:37AM)
The current, updated totals so far:

Mnemonica 39

Si Stebbins (any variation, but usually 3 CHSD) 28
Aronson 24

BCS 11

NDO 6
Own Stack (not public) 6
Joyal Stack 6
8Ks 6

Woody Aragon's Stack 4
Stay Stack 4 (all variations, not sure how to group this)
QuickerStack 4
STB 4

Nikola 3

DAO 2
Kindergarten Stack 2
Isis Stack 2

Greg Chapman's Stack 1
Luke Jermay's Story Deck 1
Zenith Zener Symbol Stack 1
Maigret Stack 1
Robinr's Stack 1
Shadow Stack 1

Boris Wild 0
Charles Gauci 0
Karma Deck 0
Requeim 0
Solution 0
Message: Posted by: LoganPorterMagic (Oct 5, 2016 05:37PM)
Mnemonica is the way to go
Message: Posted by: goochelen (Oct 6, 2016 01:10AM)
[quote]On Oct 6, 2016, LoganPorterMagic wrote:
Mnemonica is the way to go [/quote]

I suggest to ignore the above post as the person who posted this seems to have posted many message on various forums on the same day in order to increase his quota of number of messages posted.

Secondly, mentioning "mnemonica is the way to go" does not mean anything.

Regards,

g.
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Oct 6, 2016 02:46AM)
Isis !
Message: Posted by: NeverMind (Oct 17, 2016 10:13AM)
Si Stebbins +3 CHSD
Message: Posted by: jcigam (Oct 17, 2016 03:56PM)
Aronson.
Message: Posted by: Terrible Wizard (Oct 18, 2016 02:52AM)
The current, updated totals so far:

Mnemonica 40

Si Stebbins (any variation, but usually 3 CHSD) 29
Aronson 25

BCS 11

NDO 6
Own Stack (not public) 6
Joyal Stack 6
8Ks 6

Woody Aragon's Stack 4
Stay Stack 4 (all variations, not sure how to group this)
QuickerStack 4
STB 4

Nikola 3
Isis Stack 3

DAO 2
Kindergarten Stack 2

Greg Chapman's Stack 1
Luke Jermay's Story Deck 1
Zenith Zener Symbol Stack 1
Maigret Stack 1
Robinr's Stack 1
Shadow Stack 1

Boris Wild 0
Charles Gauci 0
Karma Deck 0
Requeim 0
Solution 0
Message: Posted by: spiltrap (Oct 18, 2016 11:38PM)
Mnemonica
Message: Posted by: Davdo (Oct 19, 2016 01:57PM)
Used to use the shocked si 4, but am phasing it out for the BCS.
Message: Posted by: NeverMind (Oct 30, 2016 03:43PM)
Great effort by op. Appreciate it.
Message: Posted by: Sebastian Oudot (Nov 20, 2016 04:01AM)
Mnemonica
Message: Posted by: RickDangerous (Nov 20, 2016 04:24PM)
Mnemonica
Message: Posted by: Tim Hannig (Nov 20, 2016 09:30PM)
Mnemonica
Message: Posted by: avasatu (Dec 3, 2016 10:00PM)
Mnemonica, and considering also learning Aronson to have two at my disposal.

Also considering using Aronson's "Worker Bees," "Choices," "Simon-Eyes" stacks, and I know his "Fate" mini stack.
Message: Posted by: mtgoldstein (Jan 14, 2017 07:44PM)
Maigret
Message: Posted by: mizoguchi (Jan 16, 2017 12:16PM)
Mnemonica.
Message: Posted by: Terrible Wizard (Feb 21, 2017 03:53AM)
The current, updated totals so far:

Mnemonica 46

Si Stebbins (any variation, but usually 3 CHSD) 30
Aronson 25

BCS 11

NDO 6
Own Stack (not public) 6
Joyal Stack 6
8Ks 6

Woody Aragon's Stack 4
Stay Stack 4 (all variations, not sure how to group this)
QuickerStack 4
STB 4

Nikola 3
Isis Stack 3

DAO 2
Kindergarten Stack 2
Maigret Stack 2

Greg Chapman's Stack 1
Luke Jermay's Story Deck 1
Zenith Zener Symbol Stack 1
Robinr's Stack 1
Shadow Stack 1

Boris Wild 0
Charles Gauci 0
Karma Deck 0
Requeim 0
Solution 0
Message: Posted by: magicmann (Feb 22, 2017 03:15PM)
Aronson
Message: Posted by: jpleddington (Feb 26, 2017 09:42AM)
Aronson
Message: Posted by: divomas (Feb 27, 2017 06:40AM)
After 12 years of avoiding mem stacks, finally learnt Mnemonica two weeks ago. Love it.

Will take a look at the others but not sure I see the point in having a few memorised yet.
Message: Posted by: bunkyhenry (Feb 27, 2017 12:20PM)
BCS
Message: Posted by: toneill (Mar 1, 2017 06:27AM)
Mnemonica
Message: Posted by: Ahlichs (Mar 1, 2017 12:34PM)
Another Mnemonica
Message: Posted by: (a)ndy (Mar 2, 2017 12:38AM)
Mnemonica
Message: Posted by: drphil (Mar 24, 2017 07:14AM)
Aronson
Message: Posted by: One Inch Man (Mar 25, 2017 08:26AM)
I assume this is just about full deck stacks, rather than partial set ups required for specific tricks?

My own memorised stack (I need to think of a name for it!)
My own variation of Si Stebbins (I [i]do[/i] have a name for this!)
Message: Posted by: Twenty4Seven (Mar 25, 2017 12:22PM)
Shadow stack
Message: Posted by: Terrible Wizard (Mar 27, 2017 03:51AM)
The current, updated totals so far:

Mnemonica 50

Si Stebbins (any variation, but usually 3 CHSD) 31
Aronson 28

BCS 13

Own Stack (not public) 7
NDO 6
Joyal Stack 6
8Ks 6

Woody Aragon's Stack 4
Stay Stack 4 (all variations, not sure how to group this)
QuickerStack 4
STB 4

Nikola 3
Isis Stack 3

DAO 2
Kindergarten Stack 2
Maigret Stack 2
Shadow Stack 2

Greg Chapman's Stack 1
Luke Jermay's Story Deck 1
Zenith Zener Symbol Stack 1
Robinr's Stack 1

Boris Wild 0
Charles Gauci 0
Karma Deck 0
Requeim 0
Solution 0
Message: Posted by: Terrible Wizard (Nov 14, 2017 03:39AM)
With so many new resources for stack work out now, I'm wondering if the poll need updating?
Message: Posted by: MrEmagic (Nov 14, 2017 04:20AM)
If you're going to update the poll, here's 1 vote for Redford stack!
Message: Posted by: Terrible Wizard (Nov 14, 2017 05:29AM)
I expected as much, lol :)
Message: Posted by: JesterAndrus (Nov 22, 2017 03:47PM)
Redford stack
Message: Posted by: Terrible Wizard (Nov 28, 2017 05:58AM)
The current, updated totals so far:

Mnemonica 50

Si Stebbins (any variation, but usually 3 CHSD) 31
Aronson 28

BCS 13

Own Stack (not public) 7
NDO 6
Joyal Stack 6
8Ks 6

Woody Aragon's Stack 4
Stay Stack 4 (all variations, not sure how to group this)
QuickerStack 4
STB 4

Nikola 3
Isis Stack 3

Redford Stack 2
DAO 2
Kindergarten Stack 2
Maigret Stack 2
Shadow Stack 2

Greg Chapman's Stack 1
Luke Jermay's Story Deck 1
Zenith Zener Symbol Stack 1
Robinr's Stack 1

Boris Wild 0
Charles Gauci 0
Karma Deck 0
Requeim 0
Solution 0
Message: Posted by: Pasteboard Alchemist (Nov 28, 2017 11:45AM)
I'm now using the Redford stack.
Message: Posted by: MorrisCH (Nov 30, 2017 06:34AM)
I switch to Redford stack as well
Message: Posted by: jman466 (Nov 30, 2017 08:20AM)
I have memorized the Redford Stack as well.
Message: Posted by: Terrible Wizard (Dec 1, 2017 04:22AM)
The current, updated totals so far:

Mnemonica 50

Si Stebbins (any variation, but usually 3 CHSD) 31
Aronson 28

BCS 13

Own Stack (not public) 7
NDO 6
Joyal Stack 6
8Ks 6

Redford Stack 5

Woody Aragon's Stack 4
Stay Stack 4 (all variations, not sure how to group this)
QuickerStack 4
STB 4

Nikola 3
Isis Stack 3

DAO 2
Kindergarten Stack 2
Maigret Stack 2
Shadow Stack 2

Greg Chapman's Stack 1
Luke Jermay's Story Deck 1
Zenith Zener Symbol Stack 1
Robinr's Stack 1

Boris Wild 0
Charles Gauci 0
Karma Deck 0
Requeim 0
Solution 0
Message: Posted by: Senor Fabuloso (Dec 12, 2017 03:05AM)
I use 8 kings with the 10 picture suite exchange when I need a fast setup and quick recall. Or the Breakthrough card system when I want to totally hide the stack or working for magicians. Even if you know it there is almost no chance you can spot it.
Message: Posted by: Teddy Meagher (Jan 25, 2018 11:05AM)
I use the Dani DaOrtiz stack, I really like it and would recommend it
Message: Posted by: Sanks (Jan 28, 2018 07:13PM)
Farro 1 and mnemonica
Message: Posted by: Gorvo (Feb 3, 2018 09:55PM)
Mnemonica variation. The suits are different.
Message: Posted by: Terrible Wizard (Feb 5, 2018 05:51AM)
Can I just check, is the Dani Ortiz stack the same as the DAO stack or not?
Message: Posted by: Terrible Wizard (Feb 5, 2018 05:51AM)
The current, updated totals so far:

Mnemonica 52

Si Stebbins (any variation, but usually 3 CHSD) 31
Aronson 28

BCS 14

Own Stack (not public) 7
8Ks 7
NDO 6
Joyal Stack 6

Redford Stack 5

Woody Aragon's Stack 4
Stay Stack 4 (all variations, not sure how to group this)
QuickerStack 4
STB 4

Nikola 3
Isis Stack 3

DAO 2
Kindergarten Stack 2
Maigret Stack 2
Shadow Stack 2

Greg Chapman's Stack 1
Luke Jermay's Story Deck 1
Zenith Zener Symbol Stack 1
Robinr's Stack 1
Farro1 1

Boris Wild 0
Charles Gauci 0
Karma Deck 0
Requeim 0
Solution 0
Message: Posted by: LarryG (Feb 8, 2018 05:05PM)
My own poker stack based on Dai Vernon's and Harry Lorayne's poker deal concepts.
Message: Posted by: WooG (Feb 8, 2018 09:15PM)
Mnemonica for me
Message: Posted by: MarkinMadison (Feb 10, 2018 07:39AM)
Mnemonica
Message: Posted by: IZ1POZ (Feb 16, 2018 07:30AM)
Absolutely not a Pro but I use Mnemonica
Message: Posted by: Huzzah (Feb 16, 2018 01:48PM)
I use my own stack, sometimes I'll do a few tricks that use NDO, and I have a story trick that I made that uses its own specific stack
Message: Posted by: MazingMandy (Feb 26, 2018 04:31AM)
Learning Shadow Stack
Message: Posted by: Terrible Wizard (Mar 23, 2018 05:21PM)
The current, updated totals so far:

Mnemonica 55

Si Stebbins (any variation, but usually 3 CHSD) 31
Aronson 28

BCS 14

Own Stack (not public) 9
8Ks 7
NDO 7
Joyal Stack 6

Redford Stack 5

Woody Aragon's Stack 4
Stay Stack 4 (all variations, not sure how to group this)
QuickerStack 4
STB 4

Nikola 3
Isis Stack 3
Shadow Stack 3

DAO 2
Kindergarten Stack 2
Maigret Stack 2

Greg Chapman's Stack 1
Luke Jermay's Story Deck 1
Zenith Zener Symbol Stack 1
Robinr's Stack 1
Farro1 1

Boris Wild 0
Charles Gauci 0
Karma Deck 0
Requeim 0
Solution 0
Message: Posted by: FrankFindley (Apr 5, 2018 12:11PM)
QuickerStack
Staggered (Eddie Joseph)