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Topic: Hand Moisturizer
Message: Posted by: kShepher (Nov 23, 2017 05:05PM)
Does anybody have a recommendation for a hand moisturizer, preferably something in the store. I'm using a Vaseline spray and, at least for me, it's awful. I'm sure I am not the only one who has a tough time during winter. Thanks in advance.
Message: Posted by: ddyment (Nov 23, 2017 07:21PM)
You'll find a fairly detailed discussion of this issue [url=https://www.deceptionary.com/abouthands.html]here[/url].
Message: Posted by: Boomer (Nov 23, 2017 08:03PM)
Https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005VJITEE/
(Chamberlains After Bath Splash - aka Golden Touch Lotion.)

If you read the comments, somebody specifically mentions magic.


Dave
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Nov 23, 2017 08:44PM)
[quote]On Nov 23, 2017, Boomer wrote:
Https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005VJITEE/
(Chamberlains After Bath Splash - aka Golden Touch Lotion.)

If you read the comments, somebody specifically mentions magic.


Dave [/quote]

https://www.goodnutrient.com/search.php?mode=search&page=1
A much better price if you buy 3 right now. I order from these folks often. I have never used the "After Bath Splash" but the ingredients are the same as the "Golden Touch Lotion" that I get. I usually order 'either' a 3 pack or a single 2oz sprayer for something to carry with me all the time. I get a 3 pack of the 8.75oz to use at home (almost daily) and a 3 pack of the 16oz pour bottles (to refill the sprayers).

Many old timers did not like the smell of the original "Orange Blossom" scent but I do not find it bad at all and it certainly doesn't smell for long. I really like the "New Scent - Lavender Vanilla" but it also goes away quickly so I wouldn't worry at all about the scent you get. I have always ordered the new scent but for some reason my last order all came as the original scent. I double checked my order and packing and I had the right stock numbers for the new scent but since I don't really mind either, I just accepted it and went on. If the scent is important to you, you may want to leave a comment or forward an email after your order explaining you do absolutely want "X Scent". I have tried calling in orders in the past but always get a machine and no call back but the orders always come thru. That last order where I got the wrong scent was the only mistake in several orders over the years.

Do read the essay that [b]ddyment[/b] linked. It is very informative and helped me understand a lot about the subject (also see his essays on memdeck and stacks) good stuff and free to boot. :-)

I use this product before every performance that I will be using cards during. It helped my One Handed Top Palm (Glenn Morphew's method) by 100%+. Glenn recommends "O'Keeffe's Working Hands Cream". Although it isn't the right product for me when it comes to the OHTP, several others swear by it. Also, even though I do not use it for my OHTP, or right before a gig, I do use it every day, twice a day for general skin conditioning. It is really great stuff. I get the big jar at Walmart. https://www.walmart.com/ip/O-Keeffe-s-Working-Hands-Hand-Cream-5-4-oz/45800592?action=product_interest&action_type=title&beacon_version=1.0.2&bucket_id=irsbucketdefault&client_guid=16aabbd9-f01f-488e-3707-cf3295e8a50b&config_id=106&customer_id_enc&findingMethod=p13n&guid=16aabbd9-f01f-488e-3707-cf3295e8a50b&item_id=45800592&parent_anchor_item_id=21001605&parent_item_id=21001605&placement_id=irs-106-t1&reporter=recommendations&source=new_site&strategy=PWVUB&visitor_id=cF53VztYyUgu7ZezAHNjMU

I also use the cream in a tube (and the lip balm) in a special package (I get mine at Rural King)
http://www.lifeandhome.com/o-keeffe-s-k0290012-hand-cream-lip-balm.html and sometimes I get this other package
https://www.homedepot.com/p/O-Keeffe-s-Working-Hands-3-4-oz-Hand-Cream-with-Bonus-Lip-Repair-Tube-65115/303227931

Two great products, the O'Keeffes and the Chamberlains, that do two "seemingly" different things for me but work AMAZINGLY together.
Message: Posted by: ThomasJ (Nov 24, 2017 05:30AM)
Neutrogena Norwegian Formula and O'Keefe's Working Hands can be found at CVS/Walgreens. I've never used Golden Touch, so I can't vouch for it, but I know it's preferred by many great magicians.

Neutrogena is fairly tacky but not greasy and won't soil your cards. Palms, side steals, Erdnase changes, second deals, and similar moves that are difficult with dry hands are so much easier after a dab of this stuff. A little bit goes a long way, and I suggest the unscented version.

The late Tom Mullica was a fan of O'Keefes. If memory serves me, Vernon used Golden Touch. Gregory Wilson suggested Neutrogena and Golden Touch in a lecture years ago.
Message: Posted by: NWJay (Nov 24, 2017 06:33AM)
Another shout-out for OíKeeffeís, I find a few tiny dabs and youíre off and running.
Message: Posted by: kShepher (Nov 24, 2017 06:51AM)
I KNEW I came to the right spot for this. Exactly what I needed. Thanks everybody.
Message: Posted by: davidpaul$ (Nov 24, 2017 10:46AM)
Glen Morphew also swears by O 'Keeff's and I took his advice. Can be found everywhere. Walmart, Bed Bath Beyond, Home Depot, Tractor Sales etc. etc.
Message: Posted by: kShepher (Nov 25, 2017 11:23AM)
I bought the O'Keeffe's at Walgreens for $7.50. Just what the doctor ordered. I would have never know about that if not for this amazing forum.
Message: Posted by: ddyment (Nov 25, 2017 12:12PM)
Hand chemistries differ. Dramatically.

Never assume that because something works best for others (and may even work reasonably well for you), it will be the best solution for you.

Try different products to arrive at your own optimal results.
Message: Posted by: warren (Nov 25, 2017 03:24PM)
O'keefes didn't do anything for me personally, I think as the article ddyment posted a link for says everyone is different.
Message: Posted by: Mano (Nov 25, 2017 05:05PM)
[quote]On Nov 23, 2017, kShepher wrote:
Does anybody have a recommendation for a hand moisturizer, preferably something in the store. I'm using a Vaseline spray and, at least for me, it's awful. I'm sure I am not the only one who has a tough time during winter. Thanks in advance. [/quote]

I have tried them all and nothing be this one:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000V70MWS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Happy Holidays everyone.
Message: Posted by: Paul Rathbun (Nov 26, 2017 08:18AM)
Just curious, are you guys using this to condition your hands when not performing or are you putting the product on right before performing? Thanks.

-Paul
Message: Posted by: CR_Shelton (Nov 26, 2017 09:31AM)
I use it on my hands regularly, and usually about 30 minutes before a performance. When I do gambling demonstrations or serious coin work I will sometimes put it on in front of the audience, more as a theatrical move than a practical one. Hunting for the right one is a constant for me. For the last few years I had great success using Marlowe's No. 23. It's a cream consistency, absorbs well, and leaves my hands softer without any noticable tackiness or slipping. If tackiness is your goal, this isn't the stuff for you. It's just a great hand and nail conditioner that doesn't get in the way of your work. I can usually pick up at Target and most large drugstores, but it's getting harder to find.

Have not used O'Keefe's but I'll definitely give it a try.
Message: Posted by: Paul Rathbun (Nov 26, 2017 10:40AM)
My hands are dry and have no friction so I put on Corn Husker's Lotion before performing. https://www.amazon.com/Corn-Huskers-Hand-Treatment-Lotion/dp/B0011Z1VD8/ref=sr_1_3_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1511714190&sr=8-3&keywords=corn+huskers+lotion+heavy+duty+hand+treatment

On top of the Corn Husker's I rub some Quick Sort pink stuff bankers use to sort money with. It helps me get the grip I need to do certain card moves.
Message: Posted by: Mano (Nov 26, 2017 11:32AM)
[quote]On Nov 25, 2017, Mano wrote:
[quote]On Nov 23, 2017, kShepher wrote:
Does anybody have a recommendation for a hand moisturizer, preferably something in the store. I'm using a Vaseline spray and, at least for me, it's awful. I'm sure I am not the only one who has a tough time during winter. Thanks in advance. [/quote]

I have tried them all and nothing be this one:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000V70MWS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Happy Holidays everyone. [/quote]

Nothing beat :) this one. This stuff is amazing and natural. It works really fast for dry hands, just put a bit on before bed and wear cotton gloves and one starts seeing result the next day.
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Nov 26, 2017 08:54PM)
[quote]On Nov 26, 2017, Paul Rathbun wrote:
Just curious, are you guys using this to condition your hands when not performing or are you putting the product on right before performing? Thanks.

-Paul [/quote]

Great Question. Everyone should maybe specify at one point or another in their answers. This topic comes up at least 4 times a year (I would guess) and the same answers flow freely without that little tidbit of info. First off, I recommend reading the essay ddyment links in the first reply. It truly is a good essay and explains a lot that one may not realize. Then come all the heavy hitters:
Chamberlain's Golden Touch
O'Keeffe's Working Hands
Corn Huskers Lotion
Quick Sort
Neutrogena Norwegian Formula
Different DIY combos (usually with Glycerin)
Even remember someone once suggesting a female hygiene product

All work differently on different people and mixing and matching may be your overall long term solution.

As for your specific question. I use O'Keeffe's Working Hands every morning when I get up and every evening before bed. It actually "hurts" my card magic to use this just before but it really has helped my general skin condition overall since I started using it a couple years ago. My wife noticed a big difference from my old "truck driver" hands to now and she started using it herself a year ago.

Just before I perform, I use a few sprays of the Golden Touch and rub it in well. This really helps my card handling (especially things like a OHTP). However, it hurts my hands where coin palming is involved. For Me... It helps stick to the cards I need to stick to but makes my palms slippery where coins come in. The O'Keeffe's kills me for both if applied right before.

What I do usually is get the card stuff out of the way that I "need" the lotion for then I keep a little violin resin powder (I make myself with a mortar and pestal) handy to put a pinch on my palms and rub them together. As soon as I do, I have amazing spider grip where coins are concerned (it also doesn't hurt my card work, it just doesn't help it). I also used to use liquid chalk (for weightlifters or mountain climbers) to better grip coins. Squeeze on a little, rub it in, when it turns white just rub off the white with a damp rag (or a baby wipe).

That is a "General" idea of what works (and doesn't work) for me and it isn't a steadfast rule of my performing, just an "in general" idea of different products I use for different reasons. I am certain everyone is going to differ in what works and when it works for them.
Message: Posted by: jaschris (Nov 28, 2017 08:39PM)
Another vote for O'Keefe's Working Hands Cream. I apply it a few minutes before handling the cards. Provides a nice waxy, non-greasy feel.
Message: Posted by: docguitarman (Nov 30, 2017 07:52PM)
Glad I found this topic (s) !

Learning some new advanced sleights and notice suddenly I couldn't perform then consistently... I chalked it up to learning... and was getting really frustrated. Turns out I had unusually dry hands ! I'm not a youngster anymore. The wake up was when I noticed I couldn't do my old elementary sleights (gl*des etc.) . I guess I was a little dull to realize it !

Just bought some TJs ultra moisturizing hand cream before practicing. Made a big difference. Don't know at the moment if it is the cat's meow in hand cream or the one for me in the long run:)

My answer is I use it to handle the cards !

Thanks to all for the info.
Message: Posted by: kShepher (Dec 2, 2017 10:59PM)
I just watched the Giobbi lecture #2 from Penguin. He uses the bank teller stuff....SortKwk. Avoids the whole palm soaking wet thing.

Since I started this....I acknowledge I am sort-of changing the subject.

Moisturizer and card handling are two different things. I have OctoPalm. Not a fan.

I will try SortKwk.
Message: Posted by: docguitarman (Dec 3, 2017 11:48AM)
[quote]On Dec 2, 2017, kShepher wrote:
I just watched the Giobbi lecture #2 from Penguin. He uses the bank teller stuff....SortKwk. Avoids the whole palm soaking wet thing.

Since I started this....I acknowledge I am sort-of changing the subject.

Moisturizer and card handling are two different things. I have OctoPalm. Not a fan.

I will try SortKwk. [/quote]

Thanks ! I'll give SortKwk a try too!
Message: Posted by: Doc Willie (Dec 20, 2017 06:54PM)
Where does one get SortKwk or similar stuff?
Message: Posted by: docguitarman (Dec 20, 2017 08:03PM)
[quote]On Dec 20, 2017, Doc Willie wrote:
Where does one get SortKwk or similar stuff? [/quote]

I ordered some from a 3rd party, JA Wholesale LLC, by way of the big online discounter. it was 3.13 free shipping. Just search for it there.
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Dec 20, 2017 08:48PM)
[quote]On Dec 20, 2017, Doc Willie wrote:
Where does one get SortKwk or similar stuff? [/quote]
Walmart carries the larger one in a single pack or a 3 pack of the smaller containers (way easier to carry around) plus they are inexpensive. https://www.walmart.com/search/?query=sortkwik&cat_id=0
Message: Posted by: Carlo (Dec 20, 2017 11:21PM)
Jason England turned me on to his favorite product for this purpose, and now it's my favorite too. It's up to him if he wants to tip it.
Message: Posted by: GusGarcia (Dec 21, 2017 12:26AM)
I think Iíve tried every single suggestion on this thread and then some, for me personally Iíve found that Aveeno lotion first then a little papercreme on the fingertips leaves my hands perfect for card work.
Message: Posted by: kShepher (Dec 21, 2017 05:33AM)
Giobbi said this is almost a religion as to what people use. BTW, Staples also has SortKwik.
Message: Posted by: MasterGrip (Dec 22, 2017 09:19AM)
[quote]On Dec 20, 2017, Carlo wrote:
Jason England turned me on to his favorite product for this purpose, and now it's my favorite too. It's up to him if he wants to tip it. [/quote]

Paper Creme
O'Keefes working hands
Neutrogena Norwegian formula

Jason has recommended these in different places. Being worried about tipping hand cream is absurd.
Message: Posted by: gfcal (Jan 12, 2018 10:57AM)
I recently stumbled on this from John Carney but havenít tried it: https://carneymagic.com/2453-2/

Has anyone else tried liquid chalk? I currently use Zimís Crack Creme but it starts a bit too tacky and sometimes doesnít last as long as I want.
Message: Posted by: camron (Jan 12, 2018 12:31PM)
My teacher has a formula for hand cream/lotion that J.C. Wagner loved and bought from him before he passed.

I can't tip though lol