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novice New user 25 Posts |
I have been doing the classic pass for a month now and it is almost quite, almost without any sound, but however, whenever I did it, the top packet that is being transfered to the bottom, hits my hand (that is my left hand, in which I hold the deck) and that is what makes that sound.
Could that sound be decreased? If so, how can that been done? Help appreciated! |
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Roland78 Special user Torino, Italy 567 Posts |
Riffle the cards a couple of times after the pass
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4639 Posts |
I disagree.
The riffle is bad, a sign of a lazy performer. I know because I do it. The classic pass is great cause its silent. just keep working on it and exploring. Itll take more then a month. You just have to keep practicing over and over again. If you arnt riffiling now, GOOD. You don't want people burning your hands during the pass, and if you do the riffle after the pass you run the risk of them thinking (he did something and we missed it) unless youve conditioned them to hear the riffle, which means you have been doing it the whole show (how annoying!) don't do it.
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Steven Leung Inner circle found the Magic Rainbow after 1614 Posts |
It's been three to four years since I start learning the classic pass. I just practice classic pass alone, not another pass. Keep on practice it and you will find that the more you practice it, the better it will be.
At least, magicians in my circle impress my pass execution either while practice or perform in front of lay audience while they are looking around at my magic shop. Do not give up, pass is one of the sleight that even audience know it and they still get impress by your skill. Just remember when you saw someone do a pass to you at the first time. That is my motivation to master it.
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4639 Posts |
I agree with the freak above me (freak, no? yes.)
Since, like the freak, I cant entertain an audiance with tricks, I impress the with my moves. Besides the pass, some other moves they like are: forces, controls, palms, side steals (laymen LOOOOVE sidesteals) and DL. Then, since they know all the moves, I teach them a bunch of vernon stuff (Triumph, ACR, TtA, etc) and eveything in EATCT. Then I give them paul cummings notes to go home and learn. I hope me and the big freak have conviced you to learn the pass, and be the teacher at the party!
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Paul Chosse V.I.P. 1955 - 2010 2389 Posts |
This is a description of the standard pass from the master himself, Charlie Miller. I quote:
"Fan out the cards in the usual manner for a selection. After the card has been noted you divide the fan simply by lifting off the fanned portion ABOVE where the card was chosen. You naturally do this with your right hand. The right fingers are under the fan." "Have the chosen card placed on the packet in the left hand. Put the fanned portion on top but hold a break with your left little finger. Close up the fan but leave it unsquared." "Now follow very closely. The fact that there are a few cards unsquared in or on the pack gives you a tacit reason for squaring up the pack. Your left hand adjusts the pack so that it is high on the heel of the left thumb. You can work into this position in the act of closing the fan. Use the assistance of the right hand as little as possible." "The right fingers should be well over the pack. The more that the right fingers screen the pack, the better and the right hand may even be held down so low that the right index finger tip can partly curl around the bottom of the pack. ALL DURING THIS TIME THE LEFT INDEX FINGER IS AROUND THE OUTER END OF THE PACK. The right fingers should rest on the left index finger. These right fingers never leave this position. The fingers of the right hand remain stationed on the index finger of the left hand. This is very important, furthermore this is one of the important details never explained before in any description of the pass that I have ever read." "The left thumb must be across the edge of the pack and this position is very important. See that the edge of the pack rests exactly between the creases of the joints of the thumb. " "The left little finger straightens out. Naturally the left hand fingers have to straighten out with it. The lower packet is clipped between the left little finger and the ring finger. If this action did not take place the upper portion of the deck would tend to spin or twist upwards and the packet might be dropped. Again, this is a point that, at least to my knowledge, has never been explained." "The right thumb is about half an inch from the edge of the deck and is on the lower end. If the thumb were to be held at the extreme corner there would be no pivot point. " "The upper packet has been tilted outward and this action has been done under cover of the right hand. Here again I think that C. Lang Niel states that the packet is opened AS the right hand approaches whereas I delay this action until the pack is covered by the right hand." "An instant after the lower packet straightens out the LEFT THUMB pushes downward toward the left palm. This exerts pressure on the left edge of the LOWER packet and causes the packet to pivot on its edges to a horizontal position." "The very instant that the two packets clear each other the right hand relaxes and the two packets close together quite silently. DO NOT MOVE THE RIGHT HAND UNTIL THE PACKETS ARE COMPLETELY TOGETHER." "This is the entire description in a nutshell. It takes much more practice to keep from lifting the under packet and to maintain the position of the hands. There should be no movement whatever of the right hand as the shift or pass is made. The two packets should transpose with a minimum of space." "The usual faults are that the right hand simply holds onto the lower portion while the upper packet is brought around it." "The right fingers tend to lift the under portion and this must not happen. The right fingers should remain dead still and the right hand acts as a screen or cover. The bad angle is at the magicians' left as there is no way to cover this movement of the upper packet as it makes its change. There are of course ways of doing the pass before one person where angles are taken care of. I have never used these subterfuges. I usually drop my hand to the side still holding the break with my little finger. I take good care to make the break not show on the thumb side. A little pressure is exerted here. My hand drops to my side. It does not remain in front of my body. This is another important point as it tends to relieve any anticipation on the part of the watchers. The main thing is to execute the pass quickly and noiselessly and NEVER NEVER look at the hands as this would be disasterous." "Perhaps the best advice for misdirection while using the pass was that given by the late T. Nelson Downs, "Do it when they are not looking." One last comment. Don't worry about the size of your hands. It doesn't seem to make much difference." This is from Magicana series #76, March of 1971. I have been doing the pass based on this advice and a lesson or two from Charlie since the mid seventies. The most useful point in this is the idea of the right hand remaining motionless, and the left thumb pushing down on the left edge of the lower packet. When the lower packet is pushed in this way it pivots between the right thumb and middle finger, and assists the upper packet in moving around the lower packet. If you strive to keep the packets in constant contact with one another as the upper revolves around the lower, you will diminish the room neccessary for the shift to work, significantly. Hope this helps... Best, PSC
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quanfer New user Milpitas, CA 63 Posts |
Squaring up the deck while turning the deck around 180 or 360 degrees is pretty deceptive after the pass, especially if they think you're holding a "break" when you don't need to anymore.
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novice New user 25 Posts |
The right hand must be still, while the pass is done, but if it so, than the right hand simply holds onto the lower portion while the upper packet is brought around it and you (Paul Chosse) said that that is not right.
The way I am doing it, is that the right hand moves just a little, actually 2 fingers moves, just when my right middle and ring fingers pivots the bottom portion of the deck to the top, on my heel of the left thumb and of curse the left hand does the other job. Can you please correct me, what I am doing wrong? |
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Jonathan P. Inner circle Belgium 1484 Posts |
Wrong. The RH is still but the upper packet is not "brought around". The left thumb initiate a "pivot" action (Right thumb and 2d finger are the pivot, so RH is still) by pressing down onto the left long side of the lower packet. This action help to kick the upper packet to the right and around. So the upper packet is not "simply brought around".
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JimMaloney Inner circle 1184 Posts |
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On 2005-11-30 22:10, Paul Chosse wrote: Paul, I think it's time to create a sticky of this post. By my count (I was searching for it just yesterday), this is at least the fourth time you've posted it. Charlie's advice definitely make a big difference. While my pass is far from perfect, just applying some of the tips last night, I saw a noticeable improvement. So, thanks for posting this. -Jim
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Erdnase27 Inner circle 2505 Posts |
Believe me it takes a fewyears to learnthe classic pass . to maste rit even longer;)
Ure on the right track. just keep on practising and exploring and above all have fun wiht it! |
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novice New user 25 Posts |
Mates I am practising the pass all the time, for like 2 hours per day and I know that it will take me ages.....also I think that this should become sticky, because I know that it was asked already 100 times before and will be 100 more posts in near future. that would be very useful for those who would like some help on the pass, like me:)
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JokersWild Loyal user 278 Posts |
I don't know if someone said this all ready because I don't feel like read all the posts but..... how do you do the pass? Do you do it with your index finger curled under the deck. This might be a little hard for me to explaine cause I'm not that good at spelling but I'm gonna try. When you do it keep your index finger curled under the deck so when the two packets get switched the top packet after being broken with the bottom packet well be held with your index and pinky on one side and your third and second on the other side. So than you have more control of the packet and don't have to rely on balance. that's just how I like to do it.
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Magicmaven Inner circle 1235 Posts |
I do what paul stated basically:
Fan out the cards. Card is touched. Packet above card is removed so spectator can take out his/her card. Card is returned. In a rough manner, the packet of cards in your right hand (still in a fan) are thrown over and onto the selected card. In squaring up the cards, and giving them a riffle, the pass is executed. That's what I do!
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novice New user 25 Posts |
One more thing:
when you are executing the pass, do you transfer the top pack, to the bottom, so that it hits or touches your left hand(the area of skin, right under the forefinger) or do you slide the left edge of the top packet (when you transfer it to the bottom) against the bottom of the bottom packet? |
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Cory Gallupe Inner circle Nova Scotia, Canada 1272 Posts |
I don't know what Pass I use, but I have been working my butt off with it for around a month, now Im just trying to get my angles goon. Im using it for my ACR if anyone thinks that Im doing a DL.
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dafin77 Regular user 140 Posts |
I'm confused by the following in the Miller instructions; maybe someone could explain it to me:
"The left little finger straightens out. Naturally the left hand fingers have to straighten out with it. The lower packet is clipped between the left little finger and the ring finger. If this action did not take place the upper portion of the deck would tend to spin or twist upwards and the packet might be dropped. Again, this is a point that, at least to my knowledge, has never been explained." What does he mean by "the lower packet" in the third sentence of this passage? Initially, the *upper* packet is clipped between ring and little finger. It's not till the end of the move that the lower packet is clipped. And here he seems to be talking about the initial stages of the pass. So, I'm confused. Also--maybe relatedly--I don't understand what follows that sentence. It seems like "If this action did not happen," then nothing would happen. What spinning or twisting is he talking about?
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Steven Youell V.I.P. 3866 Posts |
It's my opinion that a good pass can be mastered in less than six months.
Additionally, I beleive the Classic Pass is inherently flawed. There are many other variations out there that you should be spending your time on. Before you spend a huge amount of time trying to learn the classic pass, perhaps you should do your homework and study the wide variety of passes out there. BEFORE you start to practice. Steven Youell |
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dafin77 Regular user 140 Posts |
I don't know if, as Mr. Youell says, the Classic Pass is inherently flawed, but, for what it's worth, I've seen his riffle pass on his video "Hacking the Pass," and it really is completely invisible. All you see is the riffle. That's a nice alternative to the classic pass--one that makes the right hand, rather than the left, the active hand.
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