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StarManager Inner circle Maui, Hawaii 1012 Posts |
This is a 10 minute video that is PERFECTLY done. No extraneous info and solid training on a reasonably doable sleight which has value as both an instant vanish and a part of a retention vanish. I have never seen this exact method and it is WELL WORTH learning. I'm finding myself grateful to a 19 year old wiz kid for turning me on to - and teaching me - a fantastic utility tool. I will buy anything Zee produces now after seeing this. WELL WORTH the Cost!. https://www.sansminds.com/product/blow-v......nt-10155
"I'm a professional magician and once in a while I even work." Jonathan Todd Excelsior (StarManager)
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PendletonThe3rd Special user 973 Posts |
Sure looks an awful lot like Eric Chiens COIN...with a nowhere palm
http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S21249 |
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StarManager Inner circle Maui, Hawaii 1012 Posts |
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On Jun 10, 2017, PendletonThe3rd wrote: I guess all retentions look a bit similar. There is a lack of movement in the Zee version that I like. What he teaches is also a bit different in mechanics and for coin worker purposes it is totally different and quite useful.
"I'm a professional magician and once in a while I even work." Jonathan Todd Excelsior (StarManager)
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Montana76 Inner circle I hope I one day reach 1177 Posts |
I wonder what they mean by saying "TV rights reserved". How well would this hold up in international court?
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StarManager Inner circle Maui, Hawaii 1012 Posts |
Sans Minds does this on everything. Will Tsai and others perform and they want to keep the rights as their tricks. That said, you'd likely have to sign a full waiver with "valuable consideration" in the US to enforce this. Just putting it on a screen is iffy. That and to enforce this they need to sue. At the moment they cannot deliver vape watch for months on end and this kind of suit is expensive, especially from Canada to another country.
"I'm a professional magician and once in a while I even work." Jonathan Todd Excelsior (StarManager)
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MorrisCH Veteran user 393 Posts |
Well, About the fingers movement part, if you been following Eric's Instagram , there is a video on which Eric perform the exact same move with no cover and no finer movement, and the video was posted 9 months ago...
https://instagram.com/p/BKf5iN3gJPk/ |
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Gregor Mann New user 68 Posts |
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On Jun 10, 2017, StarManager wrote: He has released a book previously called Itoshito. Here is a routine from the book https://www.instagram.com/p/BVNXjy4ADpz/
My latest Rubberband effect
http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/7616 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-rjVv3a60g&t=18s 10 Tricks that might fool you or not |
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MikeLiu Regular user vancouver 120 Posts |
I like Eric's
The Modern Magician - Mike Liu
Alcardmy - http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S20648 EVANESCE - http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/8577 Project M - http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S26858 www.mikeliumagic.com |
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Zee Regular user Leonia, NJ 196 Posts |
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On Jun 10, 2017, PendletonThe3rd wrote: Both Eric and my vanishes are based on Takuma Ukawa's Retention of Vision yet both are independent creations. We both found out about Takuma Ukawa after doing this move for a while. I have Takuma Ukawa's permission to release my take on the sleight and also talked to Eric about it and got his blessings too. Eric and I have known each other for a while and talked about the sleight too, I can safely say that our retention vanish is almost same since it is basically same genre of sleight yet still shares a few differences regarding details and finger positions. I have more retention related applications coming out soon, sooo ehhhh yea. Haha Zee |
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Joshua Barrett Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 3631 Posts |
I just don't get 15 bucks for a single move that is merely variation of yet another move... which is a variation of another. The real vanish is the money from your pocket, and the magic of marketing
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StarManager Inner circle Maui, Hawaii 1012 Posts |
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On Jun 19, 2017, Joshua Barrett wrote: I understand you position but I also believe that what Zee does and how he teaches it is excellent and a variation. I think magic is under priced in general. Fifteen bucks to learn a sleight for life that you will use over and over again is a bargain. Paying that three times for all three versions and working out the best nuances for your hands and style is still a bargain. I stand by paying these creators and modifiers for their work. Encourage more. Heck I paid like a quarter million to go to college and learned more here that was useful than in university. I'm all for supporting Zee here and in future work for us!
"I'm a professional magician and once in a while I even work." Jonathan Todd Excelsior (StarManager)
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Bande Elite user 429 Posts |
How hard is this to master? Not a great coin worker, but willing to put some time in.
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StarManager Inner circle Maui, Hawaii 1012 Posts |
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On Jun 19, 2017, Bande wrote: If you are not a strong worker, and you REALLY follow ZEES instruction, the average guy probably can get the mechanics in an hour. You have to go REAL SLOW for every muscle move and teach your hands how to move. Same with any coin work for me. The you build up smooth and very slow and when you have that at like 1/20th the real speed, you go at 1/10th real speed for like an hour - maybe 3 sessions of 10 minutes a day for two days. Then you do about 1/5 speed smooth the same way, then 1/2 speed the same then full speed for a couple of hours and you will know it and be able to perform it. It is about absolute muscle memory. There is no shortcut. Same rules for guitar, piano, drums, violin . . . Play it slow and correctly and then keep adding speed. Hope this helps.
"I'm a professional magician and once in a while I even work." Jonathan Todd Excelsior (StarManager)
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sadhu Regular user 123 Posts |
I totally agreed with StarManager. Zee's video has helped me in resolving the slight finger movements in doing the retention vanish. Well worth the money and saved me a lot of practice time.
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mh1001 Special user 602 Posts |
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On Jun 19, 2017, sadhu wrote: In my opinion, the relevant question should be : how easier it is to master the move, compared to the instruction in Eric Chien's Coin ? I own Coin, and although I made some very good progress, it's obviously not as good as Eric. It took me a while to get used to it. I'm not sure I can agree with StarManager when he says 1 hour of practice and you get the mechanics. It took me many, many hours, and days of practice. It was hard not to move the index and middle fingers. Or maybe I'm really not good at sleight of hand. To be honest, I'm not that good with advanced sleight of hand coins, I admit, although I feel my misdirection and smoothness of action largely compensate for that. Anyway, I feel this move (Eric or Zee's) should be categorized as advanced. |
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StarManager Inner circle Maui, Hawaii 1012 Posts |
[quote]On Jun 19, 2017, mh1001 wrote:
[quote]On Jun 19, 2017, sadhu wrote: I'm not sure I can agree with StarManager when he says 1 hour of practice and you get the mechanics. With respect I said you get the mechanics in an hour - the understanding of what you must actually learn. I then went on to chart a course that would take about 5 weeks working 3 - ten minute sessions a day. Before you ever start to practice you need to understand the mechanics. Once you do - you can work at about 1/20th sped or even slower if you need to - to get the muscle memory started. Then build up. A good coin guy who has trained all kinds of coin work for years might still take the hour to understand the minute movements, and hone start at about 1/10 or 1/5 the real speed. That's the difference between the workers and the non- workers. Non workers just need to start slower and build up a slight longer. Workers already have some advanced dexterity and know how to make their brain move their fingers. But a new sleight takes time for all of us.
"I'm a professional magician and once in a while I even work." Jonathan Todd Excelsior (StarManager)
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sadhu Regular user 123 Posts |
I spent nine months practicing Eric's method trying hard not to move the index and middle fingers with no success. After watching Zee's video, He pointed out how the index and middle fingers movements can be avoided and it's an eye opener. One week into using Zee's method, 90% of the finger movements were eliminated and therefore I will have to agree with StarManager that Zee's video is well worth the money. I've learned a lot from this young fellow.
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sadhu Regular user 123 Posts |
I just ordered Zee's book Itoshito and anxiously waiting for it. He is really a breath of fresh air in the field of coin magic.
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StarManager Inner circle Maui, Hawaii 1012 Posts |
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On Jun 20, 2017, sadhu wrote: Where did you order the book from please?
"I'm a professional magician and once in a while I even work." Jonathan Todd Excelsior (StarManager)
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tonsofquestions Inner circle 1802 Posts |
Seconded on the book question. What language is it in?
I wonder if I've never seen it for a similar reason to the book by Tomoya Horiki (of Sprout Ideas) - it wasn't translated to English. :sigh: |
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