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MagicMan1957 Inner circle 1445 Posts |
Using the Si Stebbins stack there is a math formula to peek at the bottom card and tell them where any card in the stack is.
Other then memorizing the BCS is there a math formula to do the same thing? |
mattH Veteran user 324 Posts |
I don't think so because although bcs cards are related mathematically to one another infact the maths are artificial with regard to the suits
si stebbins is pure maths on the suit and value I think you do need a complete knowledge of the bcs stack and the same card at the bottom to know where all other cards are |
clamon86 Special user 508 Posts |
The BCS is a cyclical stack. There is a math formula that you need to memorize and then you know after card after the next. There are essentially two quick steps to every proceeding card, and for the second step the suit of the first card is important.
Either buy the booklet or Mind Mysteries vol. 2 and that you will tell you everything about it. Some people do memorize the entire BCS stack aside from the math part, and that is up to you. Its basically the same cyclical principle as si stebbins except that the BCS is completely random, and stebbins is not. hope this helps |
MagicMan1957 Inner circle 1445 Posts |
Thanx for the replies. I've been doing the BCS for years.
What I want to do is this. I Suffle ( false ) & they cut. I then peek the bottom card before casing the deck. They name ANY card. I tell them the location of the card in the deck. They remove the cards from the box, count down and voila. With the Si Stebbins I can do this. I think if I memorize the BCS I can do this too. BUT, memorizing a stack is not for me. I,m not sure but I think I read once from Mr Osterlind that this can be accomplished just peeking the bottom card. Any info would be great. THANK YOU |
T. Joseph O'Malley Inner circle Canada 1937 Posts |
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On 2006-03-14 09:35, MagicMan1957 wrote: You're doing yourself a huge disservice with this sort of thinking. If you can memorize the alphabet, a dozen or so phone #s, your bank card #, the names of the people in your class, etc, you can mem the BCS or any other system/stack. It is nowhere near as hard as you think to do this. The results will allow you to blow people away with dead simple methods.
tjo'
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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I then peek the bottom card before casing the deck. This is a fascinating math problem. It seems like there should be an easy formula, given the relative ease of the BCS system, but in fact it's a much harder problem than one would initially think. I've struggled with this for over a year, and mentioned this to people more mathematically sophisticated than myself and they all have been stumped. In mathematical terms it's the difference between having a recursive formula and a more direct formula. For example look at the following sequence: 1,1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21 . . . This is known as the Fibonacci series. It's easy to figure out the next number in the series--just add the previous two numbers. So 1+1 =2, 1+2 =3, 3+5 =8 and so on. If I wanted the next number after 21, all I would have to do is add 13 +21 to get 34. Pretty easy right. But if I asked, what's the 100th term, there's no easy way to do it, without listing all the terms before it. (Actually there is a formula, but it's ridiculously complicated, involving the square root of five.) Anyway, this is all a long way of saying--memorization is the way to go in this case! Jack Shalom
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sgrossberg Special user Southern California 739 Posts |
Jack - I have tried the same thing for some time with absolutely no luck. If nothing else, and ironically, I'm glad to hear others have tried and failed, too. Thanks for the info. - Scott
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Doctor Whoston Regular user Leeds, England 149 Posts |
I suspect MagigMan1957 is asking for an answer to a more difficult problem than the one discussed so far.
He wants the spec to name ANY CARD and then he produces the POSITION. What has been discussed so far is given a position he names the card. This would possible with a formula, which does exist but is so horrible as to be useless. Just try writing down the formula for the card after the next card to see this. The problem of naming a card and producing its position is the inverse of this general formula. Thinking about the Fibonacci example above it is like saying "The nth Fibonaaci number is 956722026041, what is n?" (Exercise for geeks: Try working it out from the Fibonacci formula. Exercise for the lazy: Google.) Hence, I doubt there is a nice formula that can be used in action - it's easier to just memorize the deck. And in that case you might as well memorize Mnemonica - sorry Richard... DW |
snowboard New user China Shenzhen 86 Posts |
MagicMan1957
Have a stack memorised is not so difficult. I recently Buy the both BCS and MBCS ebooks. I took me 4 days to memory the BCS! By the way ,I am a Chinese.My English is bad.And I learn the memory system which is based on English in the MBCS ebook. I have a problem. I know the MD is powerful. But I don't know many routine on it. (I have spend much more money to get another books) You want the spectator name ANY card. You tell them the location of the card in the deck. It's very simple with the MD. But! But I want to say that this is the WORST way to use the memorized deck! The audience could figure out or guess you have the deck memorized. Osterlind have mention about that in Café.And he don't like using the MD. Snowboard |
MagicMan1957 Inner circle 1445 Posts |
Hello Snowboard,
I would never do the card prediction effect without FIRST doing some other tricks with the deck that has been cut and FALSE shuffled many times. Also with the Osterlind BCS ( as with many other deck stacks ) they can examine the deck afterward and see no pattern in the cards. The other day a friend of mine did many prediction effects for me with the Tamariz stack that were incredible. So the stacked deck prediction is a great trick but they must think the deck has been thouoghly cut and shuffled. |
Richard Osterlind V.I.P. 2213 Posts |
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Why are you apologizing. Was that supposed to be a dig? Richard |
Doctor Whoston Regular user Leeds, England 149 Posts |
Richard -- No, it wasn't a dig - just a very mildly humorous remark. Unfortunately, tongue-in-cheek doesn't come over well in writing. I suppose it is an apology of sorts though because I like the BCS. But in my heart I know that if you are going to memorize a deck, then Mnemonica is better as it has more built-in tricks and anything you can do with BCS you can do with Mnemonica, but not vice versa. However, if you don't want to memorize a deck, then BCS is a perfect compromise. It's computational but the deck still looks random, unlike Si Stebbins. Excellent!
By the way, if you don't mind me asking, how did you come up with the system? Was it by trial and error hand calculations, computer or some other method? DW |
Richard Osterlind V.I.P. 2213 Posts |
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On 2006-03-19 09:34, Doctor Whoston wrote: DW, Well, I'll have some thoughts about all that in the new Guidebook, number 2. And no, no computers 25 years ago! I knew what I wanted and went after it. Richard PS And I'd watch how you use the word, "compromise." |
Doctor Whoston Regular user Leeds, England 149 Posts |
Compromise here of course means perfect harmonious balance! Of course, of course!
I look forward to buying Guidebook 2. DW |
Badger Elite user Ireland 401 Posts |
IMO this is the best stack you could use. There is so much you can do with it. A lot of magician and mentalists that I meet on this form and at magic clubs seem to have a lot of trouble under standing this.
Well I guess the old saying is true: “Magicians are born not made” When is Guidebook 2 coming out??? |
Bobby Forbes Inner circle virginia beach, VA. 1569 Posts |
BCS is amazing. If you know this and don't have the memorized BCS then you need to get it. After messing around with it for a couple of days off and on, it's very easy to remember. ANd trust me, if I can do it...anybody can do it. It just makes the BCS even better than it is. Thanks Richard
Bobby |
Richard Osterlind V.I.P. 2213 Posts |
Thanks guys. The new Guidebook will be out very shortly. I just finished the manuscript and it is being made ready. Hope you find it valuable.
Richard |
Waters Inner circle 2508 Posts |
Richard,
I just did the "blackjack demo" this weekend, I love it. I have to confess the last "Casino Night" I performed I didn't do this, but I will never do another without it. Thanks for sharing. Sean |
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