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kerpa Special user Michael Miller 594 Posts |
How important might it be to use true DF rather than home made double thickness cards? (I don't think I'm giving away too much here) Along those lines, has anyone done this as close up rather than parlor/stage? If so, are angles a problem if home made cards are used (or true DF)?
Thanks!
Michael Miller
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CardMaker Inner circle Ludwigsburg/GERMANY 1063 Posts |
Might be off topic, but anyway:
Are these 9 DF cards, all clubs? If so, the cards for Joerg Alexander's "Sympathetic Ten" might be the same. (DBs may be added - these are no musts!) I have these cards PRINTED on stock. Linceced by Joerg himself, so no rip-off. Just my 0.02 €
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kerpa Special user Michael Miller 594 Posts |
No, I think you're on topic! My understanding from a previous thread on this topic is that there are a number of versions of this effect around, dating to the time of Leipzig. What I'm wondering is whether anyone has tried homemade DF which are double thickness. If so, what is the experience? Any angle issues not seen with true DF? (I would think so; perhaps I am too cheap to spring for the cost of Dingle's effect. I have a VHS of him doing this with homemade DF - and the presentation seems clearly to be parlor/stage. I would like to figure out a close up version.) (BTW, for Dingle's version DB are not needed for obvious reasons if you know the working.)
Actually, this is a more generic type of question for any packet trick requiring DF - has anyone ever tried home made DF for close up with any success?
Michael Miller
(Michael Merlin: original family --and stage-- name) |
airship Inner circle In my day, I have driven 1594 Posts |
Depends a lot on your closeness to the audience. I always perform 'restaurant-style', for just a couple of people at a table, who are very close. I wouldn't use double-thickness DFs myself. But if you are working parlor-style, where your audience is a few feet away, I don't think it would be an issue.
But around here, we PAY for our effects, pardner!
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kerpa Special user Michael Miller 594 Posts |
Thanks for the reply. Yes, airship, I know, I'm a believer in paying for effects. I paid for the VHS, in which Derek said to make the DFs home made double-thickness. I don't know if that's what he said in his book. In any event, I'm not sure Sympathetic Cards would be as effective restaurant-style as it is parlor style, because I envision holding the cards in my hand rather than placing them in two glasses. I'm still thinking the whole thing thru. But I have performed it parlor style with the home made cards, and it's a great effect.
Michael Miller
(Michael Merlin: original family --and stage-- name) |
Kaylan Special user CT 758 Posts |
I recently bought the set from Neil Lester (Cards by Martin) so I could have the specially printed set rather than make my own DFs...I also think though that it depends how close your audience will be. Unless you're working on stage, I recommend using DFs (just in case someone could tell re: the thickness of the cards). However, Derek Dingle did not advise you to just glue two cards together to make up each one. Rather, he recommended separating cards to assemble each DF. I just figured that would be a big pain so I spent the $25 for a well made set that will hopefully last me many years.
Kaylan |
kerpa Special user Michael Miller 594 Posts |
Thanks, Kaylan. Have you performed Sympathetic Cards as close up? If so, did you set the cards upright in glasses?
Michael Miller
(Michael Merlin: original family --and stage-- name) |
Kaylan Special user CT 758 Posts |
Kerpa,
I would not do SC as a close-up routine...for me it's a cabaret/stand-up routine. I do use the cards upright in a glass. :) Kaylan |
Jonathan P. Inner circle Belgium 1484 Posts |
I'd buy or do the set myself by splitting the required cards. The thickness of the "cheap homemades" you talk about would fly by when only one card is used. But here, one of the packs would almost be twice as thick as the other one.
This wouldn't fly, I guess... Jonathan. |
kerpa Special user Michael Miller 594 Posts |
For parlor (or stage, I guess), the angles are such that only the faces of the cards are seen, not the sides. And in a VHS entitled "Routined Card Magic" Dingle specifically stated it was ok to simply glue 2 cards together. He never stated that this precludes a close up presentation, but it obviously does. I'm going to go ahead and order the DF set because I think Sympathetic Cards is going to be a great close up effect for me.
Michael Miller
(Michael Merlin: original family --and stage-- name) |
Kaylan Special user CT 758 Posts |
I'm curious for those of you who are performing this elegant effect, where do you put it in your act, what kind of presentational tips can you share, and what kinds of reactions are you getting?
Kaylan |
closeupcardician Special user Justin Teeman Moore, OK 602 Posts |
This is a brilliant effect which I've yet to attempt close up. I've seen many do it well.
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paisa23 Inner circle 7293 Posts |
Jörg Alexander version compared to this. which is more commercial?
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