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PaulTemple New user Scotland 61 Posts |
If using a packet trick and the cards do not match your regular deck you have a reason for keeping them seperate, but if they do whats you excuse for having these cards separate from the rest? (Ok I know you can add the gaffed cards to the top of a matching deck, but that limits the amount of packet tricks you can use).
Paul the conjurior
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Failed Magician Inner circle Still working on the DL even after made 2100 Posts |
That's why I always use red back Bicycle all the time. They have no idea when I put or switch the gaff cards.
Even so, just say something, "Today I took out my blue back cards, as I haven't used them for a while". But I think they won't ask question as long as we can deliver the right patter and presentation. You could store the tricks in different wallet (Entourage, Biker or NFW for example), as it is a bit uncommon to put more than two Jokers in a deck of cards. Other tricks that could be subtlety put in a deck is Strange Travelers, Twilight Angel, iChange, MacDonald's Aces.
Magic comes through perception. -HS
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PaulTemple New user Scotland 61 Posts |
I allways try to use trick packs I try to use specail cards eg not playing cards old style cards. I feel this then gives you a reason for having them in a walett. It also adds interest.
Paul the conjurior
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Spellbinder Inner circle The Holy City of East Orange, NJ 6438 Posts |
That was the main reason Qua-Fiki came up with the idea of converting all his favorite packet tricks so they could be performed with Go Fish cards of his own design. Now he has a complete deck of Go Fish Cards (on my site) with which he can perform a variation of Color Monte, followed by a Wild Card "sucker explanation" followed by a few other packet effects that use cards from the same Go Fish card deck. Even the Card Box is incorporated into some of the effects. His solution won't work for everyone, but he has expanded his audience for card packet tricks to include kids (no confusing suits or numbers for them to remember) but which are equally funny, mysterious and magical to teens and adults. You print out the cards yourself as needed, so you never have to worry about losing a gaffed card again, and best of all, for me anyway, is that you can perform most of the effects with super jumbo cards on stage.
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JSBLOOM Inner circle 2024 Posts |
"Often when I perform magic, people usually ask me what is the 1st trick I ever saw. It was actually shomwn to me by my dad, now he;s not a magician, but this is what he used to do when I did not want to do my chores. As you can see, it ...."
BRING OUT HOLD IT BUSTER "I takes many years to master a deck of playing card. The key is to start out small. In fact, when I first use to perfom, I use to use only 8 cards" patter from Daryl |
steez New user 62 Posts |
My jacket has these 2 big pockets and I basically put both decks in there, usually the excuse I'll use to go from gaff to no gaff deck is putting a coin routine in between
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MagikDavid Loyal user Cincinnati, OH 297 Posts |
Paul, I posted this awhile ago which may give you some ideas:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&start=0
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Failed Magician Inner circle Still working on the DL even after made 2100 Posts |
What's the idea for bringing out packet tricks such as Entourage or Bikers?
I can put Strange Traveler into my deck, then if I still have the time (I work as a teacher), then I can do MacDonald's Aces or Club Sandwich by Mark Mason using the rest of the deck which is quite versatile. But I haven't got any great method to bring out Entourage or Bikers into play without having them removed from plastic wallet or envelopes.
Magic comes through perception. -HS
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55john55 Regular user 137 Posts |
Near the beginning of doing card tricks for people I tell them that although I like all sort of card effects, I have a special fondness for effects done with just a small number of cards. Then I do 2 or 3 small packet tricks using "regular" cards and let them examine the cards after the first trick or two so they see there is nothing special about them. After that, when I take out a packet of cards they will, at the worst, not know if they are special and at best, just assume they are another example of my fondness for effects with just a few cards.
I just do magic as a hobby so I am with friends. I have found that almost all knew there are "special" cards before they ever saw me do magic. It doesn't seem to take away from the magic just because I may or may not be using some sort of special cards. |
Paul Inner circle A good lecturer at your service! 4409 Posts |
This question has been asked several times on this forum. I would think the majority of packet tricks on the market use duplicate cards -same value and suit or all jokers or blanks, or specially printed cards that are not playing cards. So in those cases it's pretty obvious why the cards are not in a deck.
A number of packet tricks in the presentation given with them may have a line as to why you are carrying them apart from the deck. You may not have a deck and simply carry a few cards in your wallet to show something unusual with a few cards. You may be carrying around some unusual misprinted cards you came across, or a hand of cards from an unusual card game you played in and kept the cards as a souvenir. It's possible the packet effect might be the ONLY card effect you do in a close up set so you don't have a regular deck to take them from. How about,without any justification asking "Do you want to see something amusing/strange/fun/weird/bizarre/unbelievable (choose the appropriate word for the effect)with just a few cards?" I think people place too much importance on the 'why' when they could simply be doing and entertaining. If the people are really entertained and laughing do you think they are thinking, "Well that's not so good because he didn't take those cards from a deck" ? If you see some gambler doing three card monte on the street does he start by giving justification as to why he didn't take his three cards from a deck? I've never seen that happen. Does a coin magician have to justify why he's using specific coins? In a magic show does the average magician justify every strange prop? I'm not saying it's wrong to have that justification, it's good if you have a line whether they believe it or not, but that perhaps too much importance is being given to it. You're a magician, people expect you do do card tricks, the number of cards you use is unimportant to them. Whether you entertain them or bore them, is what they will find relevant. Paul. p.s. Anything that limits the amount of packet tricks you use is a good thing, since you wouldn't want to be taking out more than one set of cards in one performance set anyway. |
gadfly3d Special user 963 Posts |
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On 2010-07-16 09:43, Paul wrote: AMEN! |
Mad_Lewis Loyal user France 300 Posts |
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On 2010-06-27 05:25, PaulTemple wrote: this is rather strange... basically you have no reason to have a small packet of cards separated from a deck whether they are of the same design or not. if the design is completely different to all what you have, spectators (in my experience) feel like these may be gaffed cards, made for this trick. and it doesn't feel pro to them. if your cards match your deck design, well... where is the rest of the pack ? This is the idea, the concept, that Dominique Duvivier uses for his well known best seller "l'imprimerie magique", the one with eight cards that print themselves wildly. Well, at the beginning of the trick he uses to take out a pack of cards and when opening it he shows how surprised he is to find only a small packet inside a such big box. I usually begin this routine by searching the rest of the pack, which is exactly what the spectators are wondering ! also, there is a rubberband around the packet so it emphases the idea of a small packet and somehow shows that it is normal, the rubberband didn't got there alone. I never had any problem introducing a small packet with this patter. You may ask some friends of yours what they think about it, I don't think it would ruin the magic. and let's face it, magicians are maybe not the best people to ask this kind of thing. I live in france and my theory is that french people think like that (see first paragraph under the quote). So sometimes from one country to another, people don't see little things the same way, it is normal. But this is another approach of the small packets idea. I thought you would find it interesting. |
DekEl Inner circle Creates MindTricks. Has exactly: 1172 Posts |
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On 2010-06-27 05:25, PaulTemple wrote: I say "Now let me show you something with my _nice_ deck. Spreads beautifully." I have never been questioned, they just automatically assume that as a magician and card shark you have your favorites.
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Phil J. Elite user 467 Posts |
When introducing a packet trick consisting of the same card (eg, royal scam, rainbow cascade, etc) I'll say "I've been performing card magic for over 30 years and there's one thing I've noticed... nobody ever chooses the Ace of Spades (or whatever card your using) I think it must be an unlucky card. Subsequently, I've been left of loads of them and I thought it would be good to come up with a trick that uses just the Ace of Spades and here's what I came up with..." I now go into the routine.
This is just the bare bones of what I say but it gives the basic idea.
You were born original... Don't die a copy
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sushimonster New user 79 Posts |
Much like Phil, when doing Royal Scam I start with "Some people collect baseball cards. I go through several decks a week so I started collecting Aces...."
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mycoolwould New user austin tx 25 Posts |
I always keep the packet cards in a pocket, ready to be added to the deck as needed. To me if seems strange to pull cards out of a leather wallet and do a trick, then bring out a deck of cards later on.
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Phil J. Elite user 467 Posts |
Quote: With due respect that's fine if you're using cards that have different faces. You couldn't do it with Royal Scam (for example) because all the cards are the same. What would you do in this scenario?On 2010-08-27 23:04, mycoolwould wrote:
You were born original... Don't die a copy
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Scott Fridinger Special user Gloucester Pt, VA 893 Posts |
Paul is spot on.
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iluzjonista Regular user 187 Posts |
For me it depands where I performing my tricks. If I'm for example in the pub it's even more natural to take packet cards from my wallet than begin with all deck of cards. After couple of tricks everybody around knows that I'm magician and it's better to introduce deck of cards which is not the item everybody else carry around.
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