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Simon Bakker Special user the Netherlands 587 Posts |
Hello,
I love the mindpower deck and the things that can be achieved with it. I have it for years but it never became a regular in my performing repetoire because of one reason which I will elaborate on later. I had two strolling gigs last week and I decided to give it a try again. In total, I did the routine 8 or 9 times. The thing I feared happened two times....... They saw a card they couldn't possibly have seen (owners of the deck know what I'm talking about). This is the very reason I'm always hesitant in using this deck: this thing happened quite frequently in the past. I would love to do the MPD in parlour situations, but I'm to afraid this thing will happen. I've read and heard that this happens to a lot of users. I've tried several things to overcome this. I stress the fact that they must see a card in the deck, not make one up because one or two cards are missing from the deck. I actually demonstrate what I want them to do by pointing to a card and say that if they look at that card they should remember that card. I should stress that I don't make this thing very obvious, I just explain it to them carefully. Also the spectators I select for this routine are always helpful and not heckling or anything, they are enjoying my performance and presence. It seems that the cards that are most frequently made up are the 8 of hearts and the king of hearts. I just don't get. I have a back-up plan when this happens, so their is always a magical moment, but I still really hate it when this happens! Any thoughts or suggestions on this? Best Simon |
Russell Davidson Inner circle Hampshire, England 1108 Posts |
Sounds like you're doing everything right Simon so I'm not sure what else to suggest. I think you will always encounter the odd person who will say a card they haven't seen & as long as you have an out (such as an ID) then it shouldn't ruin the effect. Perhaps a longer flash of the fan / spread might help but obviously not too long.
If you're doing this for a group then the chances are that if this happens it will be just one of them. If your out is an ID for example, you can say that you suspected beforehand that their choice would be unique & then go on to reveal their card using your out. Essentially, if you tell them they have a unique mind, different way of thinking (any old blurb you like really) you make it appear you knew this all along & no-one is any the wiser. In fact, it only makes the effect stronger IMO. |
Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
Simon, the two cards you name are mates of cards found in the MPD. (I say this not so much for your benefit but for others that may be unaware of this fact). What some people do is pick a card they see and then mis-remember the suit. Hearts become Diamonds, Spades become Clubs, etc. The best way that I've found to handle this is to talk about coincidence and then reveal that you predicted the mate to a freely thought of card. But I'm hardly an expert on how to handle this as it's only happened to me one time.
The fact that you picked the mate isn't quite as strong but still can be built up into a quasi-miracle.
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Zebaztian Special user The Netherlands 655 Posts |
False memories... what can you do about it?
The idea with the Invis. Deck is quite nice. First you come up with the mate - which is a quasi-miracle indeed - and then you kill them with the ID.
My mind reading routines: http://www.basjongenelen.nl/goocheltrucs/. Scroll a bit down to the English routines.
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Simon Bakker Special user the Netherlands 587 Posts |
The ID is a good out, I use another one, though.
As I start to reveal the card I have allready s******d th MPD for a normal deck. If they remembered the wrong card I say: "It's impossible that you saw that card! Remember at the beginning of this I told that you had to SEE a card because some maybe missing." I look for the card in the deck, p***m it and say: Say, "It's not there, look for yourself." At this time I spread the deck on the table, and load the named card in my wallet as I take it out. I continue with: "This morning I actually took one card out of the deck and put it in the zippered compartment of my wallet, it happens to be your card." Gets very good reactions. I prefer the original effect, though! |
Russell Davidson Inner circle Hampshire, England 1108 Posts |
That's a very OTT out Simon. If you can pull that off & it works for you everytime then fair play to you. Thinking about this issue further though, it may well be better to just move on to another effect which will involve the spec who saw the non-existent card so they don't feel left out. Using a card to wallet effect for an out is ok but it may take some of the shine out of what is a great trick by itself. That's just me but whatever works for you & gets the best reactions is always the way to go. Good luck
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Simon Bakker Special user the Netherlands 587 Posts |
Hi Uncle Bunkle,
English is not my native language, perhaps you could explain what you mean by 'a very OTT out'? Do you mean ODD? EDIT: Just found out what you mean with OTT (over the top, probably). I don't think I agree though, I prefer to use this out than to give the impression that I failed. Just curious, why do you think it's OTT? I've used this effect on it's own as well during tradeshow work. I agree that using the card wallet as an out can take away the shine of the effects that can be achieved with the wallet, but I feel that the ID on its own is way to good to use as an out. So this is the best option for me. Usually I only do one card effect per table, so not a lot is lost. Cheers Simon |
Russell Davidson Inner circle Hampshire, England 1108 Posts |
Yes, over the top Simon. But that was just an opinion. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with your approach at all. You consider the ID too good to use as an out & I believe card to wallet to be also too good for an out. But there is no right or wrong, only what works for you my friend.
Also you probably have greater card skills than me as I wouldn't feel comfortable with a s****h followed by a p**m & a load into a wallet just for an out. I think that is what I was driving at with the OTT comment. It's a lot of work just for an out. For me anyways. Hope that makes sense. |
Simon Bakker Special user the Netherlands 587 Posts |
Ah, I see! Makes perfect sense!
Well, the thing is, as I said, I like the ID as an out, but I don't like the idea of introducing a new deck, and I think the ID on it self is a great effect. I don't use the the thought of card to wallet effect tablehopping, so for me it's a nice out, I don't sacrifice an effect for using this out (hope you get what I mean ;-)) As for the technical skills: the s****h is nothing fancy, I do that anyway after the spectator have looked at a card with MPD, so I have a normal deck in play. I just box the deck and put it in my pocket. Later, I take the other one out (casually, during te revealing process, there is no heat at all). As for the p**m and the load, well, I've been doing CTW for years so, I'm pretty comfortale doing that. But what would be far greater is that if the spectators memorize the right card! ;-). But, I guess it has to do something with false memories as sebastian pointed out. I guess I have to be prepared for it to happen. Sad, though, I wouldn't use the MPD in a parlour type presentation because of it.... BTW: have you had this thing happen as well with the MPD (the misremembering of a card)? And if so, did it happen often? Thanks Simon |
Russell Davidson Inner circle Hampshire, England 1108 Posts |
It's happened to me once Simon. From what I can remember, I used the person for a book test claiming that some people are more suited to transmit the written word rather than the numbers & pictures you find on cards. Total BS of course!
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Simon Bakker Special user the Netherlands 587 Posts |
Haha, nice!
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joemcdull Regular user 178 Posts |
I agree more about Simon, It is really logical that calming the card they name is not in the deck and prove that the card is actually inside the wallet. In audience's mind, it is like you "make them think of a card that never exist" rather that "make the card the said into a wallet"
However, people also mention ID can be an out for tossed out deck heckler, I just didn't think of a reason for a card being reversed rather than showing the original deck really don't have a card. I am interested in what Uncle Bunkle would say when he bring out a ID. |
Simon Bakker Special user the Netherlands 587 Posts |
And....When you state that they couldn't possible saw the card they remembered, you're actually telling the truth! How nice it that ;-).
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Jonathan Brown Loyal user Tappahannock, VA 288 Posts |
I think that this effect should never be performed for just one person. It should be done for at least three. Reason being- you always say that this is not surefire. It's an experiment, and sometimes it just doesn't work. That way your odds are increased that you will hit AT LEAST one spectator and if you miss due to them forgetting or naming an odd card, you shrug it off' "It's not clear...the image of your card is a bit hazy etc." This way you're not stuck with one person who can't remember the card they saw or makes one up, but chances are the other spectators are following the rules. I would also recommend to you the Radar Deck from Osterlind. It reduces these chances by having two banks of target cards that the audience chooses from, and they aren't as repetitive. Ultimately though it comes down to doing whatever fits your personality and your environment.
All the best, Jonathan |
magicbenyoung New user Maryville, Tennessee 36 Posts |
Simon, instead of the out you use, you could use Kenton Knepper's Kolossal Killer. It's ALWAYS in your wallet, for any situation, and you won't have to do any palming when you reveal their named card in your wallet. No deck switch, either.
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