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Martin_K New user 10 Posts |
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On 2012-04-13 11:34, ftlum wrote: God bless the internet! Thanks again for another uplifting message. I mean, it´s always good to know there are other magicians with the same condition. I don´t feel that ***ed . Thanks for the website and the name of the meds. Have a nice day ftlum! |
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RevJohn Inner circle Oregon City Oregon, Oregon 2473 Posts |
Martin,
I deal with the same issue. Add to it, I am a pastor, so always fun when I am holding up the Chalice for Communion and I shake just enough. I have tried Propranolol and while had a little luck with it, it also didn't do wonders for my gout (yeah... joy upon joy). Glass of wine helped some. But honestly what helps the most when I perform, is I mention it to the crowd. Performing for kids, I don't get it as much because I am moving all over the place, and the tremors are not bad. But when I perform sleights, card, coins, dice, I get a little shake. So, before I start, I say, "I would like to tell you about a family tradition...." and talk about the tremers. I find that it helps for a couple of reasons... 1) I notice them, and point them out... removing their power, so to speak. 2) Others know they are not from nervousness, and stop feeling embarressed for me, and 3) more time than not, afterwards, someone will come up and say, "I thought I was the only one that had tremers like that..." Some days are worse that another. I find that if I am well fed, and have gotten a good nights sleep they aren't as bad. Being nervous around a new routine only increases the shakes... (as it does for many of us). But pointing it out, and mentioning them, has done wonders for me. It also makes me more human in the eyes of who I am entertaining. RevJohn |
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
Thanks for your response, Martin. My Mom says hi right back to you. One thing I wanted to add here is in defense of herbal remedies. I'd advise you and anyone else with any mortal affliction whatsoever not to discount them. Do your homework with them, as is advisable with any remedy. The "doctor's remedy" has been built from sources already found on the planet. Doctors have obtained their pharmacies from Mother Earth, y'all- if they've gotten them elsewhere, I'd like to know where from. I think it's high time people started to regard and respect the resources they have all around them, understand what they've been given and the true potential for factual healing to take place. I've seen it first hand, and I've been on the front lines in both conventional medicine (veterinary- which is an animal directed form of human conventional medicine) and traditional medicine. Wisdom is inclusive. Open your awareness to all of your real options. All the very best!
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Martin_K New user 10 Posts |
Thanks again Laurie and I will not discard any possible solution. Cheers!
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Martin_K New user 10 Posts |
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On 2012-04-14 09:34, RevJohn wrote: Thanks Rev. for your words. Have a nice day! |
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Torquay22 Loyal user 271 Posts |
I also have essential tremors thanks for creating the thread it's very helpful and has given me the peace of mind that I can continue magic
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mennowoman New user Durham, NC 1 Post |
Hi Martin--
I'm coming in late to this thread & hoping that you are still on this thread--hoping that everyone is still on this thread. I arrived on the thread searching for "psilocybin", a substance which someone had recommended to me. I am a long-time ET person, having noticed it around my late 30s when stacking dishes to carry to the sink and they clattered like crazy. My first neurologist put me on primidone, which worked extremely well for years. When I questioned her as to whether I had ET or Parkinson's Disease, she told me that the easiest test was to drink 4 oz. red wine and if the tremor stops, it is ET.It stopped, and I have been treated for ET ever since. I have tried Inderal with no success at all. ET ended my career as a labor and delivery nurse in 2004--I could no longer start IVs; well, let's put it this way.......I no longer felt like I would be good at starting them. About 2 years ago I went on Topamax, and it worked great for the tremor, BUT I ended up feeling so stupid--could not think of words when I needed them (Neurologist at Duke said his patients call it "stupidmax"), so before the holidays I tapered off. I no longer feel so stupid, but the tremor has returned and I have been thinking about having DBS. Was visiting with a friend when her young (to me--I have a granddaughter his age) son suggested I try psilocybin. But it sounds like a therapeutic dose has yet to be worked out. I will admit to y'all that I am much older than you--I am 67 so have lived with ET for quite a while and doing OK until I either exercise and then try to do anything with my hands or become anxious because then I shake too. And, like Katherine Hepburn, sometimes my chin quivers. I am now on only primidone--250 mg in the morning, 150-200 late afternoon, and then 100 at bedtime. There are times when I have no tremor at all, but those times are rare. I live in a very backwards state of North Carolina. How would I go about growing some shrooms?? Linda |
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PaulSharke Regular user 120 Posts |
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On Mar 17, 2016, mennowoman wrote: Why on earth wouldn't they call it dopeamax?? |
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Chris Meece Special user Somerset Kentucky 864 Posts |
I have dealt with this since early elementary school. I had kids ask me why my hands shake and I never noticed that they did. I have read horror stories of some people not being able to write due to it, and at least I don't have it that bad. I had a show last Saturday and I couldn't hold my hands still for them to be tied in a thumb tie. It absolutely drains your confidence and stage presence when you have trouble with basic tasks like this. When I finished I told my girlfriend this was the last one for me. I am so sick of working so many months on a show just to have disaster strike like that. Practice doesn't make it go away. There are some sleights I have worked on for years and can't perform due to this. I have worked on the coin roll for about 15 years and still can't do it. I have contemplated only doing mentalism but I'm not sure that is my cup of tea. (And sometimes you need manual dexterity for that as well) I've talked to my doctor about it and he was pretty dismissive about it. He told me my new blood pressure medicine might help with it .. with the beta blockers; it did not.
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AaronSterling Veteran user 319 Posts |
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On Jul 19, 2018, Chris Meece wrote: Sorry to hear it, sounds like a crushing experience. I don't have the same issue, but I do have a "hidden" disability where one of my hands is fine and the other looks fine but is not. I have dealt with this by studying Rene Lavand, not his sleights so much, but how he created tricks and presentations with one hand. He needed to use different techniques of misdirection, and I think that flies past a lot of two-handed magicians. I had a conversation with a female pro magician a while back, and she said she had to take the moves in magic books and reinterpret them for a woman's hands, because traditionally feminine hand motion looks different than what appears in books by and about men. I could immediately relate, because I've had to adapt a lot of sleights to me. If you're trying to perform sleights exactly as written, you might want to rethink your approach. One thing I'll mention, and hopefully not sound like a ******, because I think this helps the overall point I'm making. I've blown away well known card magicians with tricks I've created. And I think it's due to using reinterpreted sleights, not ones they are used to. I literally can't perform the sleights they're used to, so I had to do something else. That's what I'd recommend for you, if you decide to stick with the craft. (And there are plenty of other things you could do with your time!) Use the limitation as a tool to force yourself to be original. |
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Chris Meece Special user Somerset Kentucky 864 Posts |
Well, I'll stick with the craft .. but leaning away from doing shows like that. Or at least until I can find a solution. I did my first show at age 7 and I am 44 now. It has been a lifelong love of mine.
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Chris Meece Special user Somerset Kentucky 864 Posts |
Major update!!! Several months ago contacted a neurologist and he found a solution for me. He started me on Propranolol and recently added Primidone. This combination worked for my body chemistry. The tremor is gone!
Here is how bad my hands shook: https://youtu.be/73iY7GjHMVI I had pretty much given up on magic. Now everything I practice is so so easy. I can't believe this is what other magicians experience when they practice. I just wish I had found this 40 years ago. I turn 50 in September and this has given me a new lot on life. My confidence is through the roof and I had no idea how low it had become till I experienced the contrast. I booked my first gig post ET for next month. I had the opportunity to do my cups and balls for Lance Burton a year ago and I could barely hold onto the balls. And I know this routine very well; I pretty much run through it every day and have done so for years. I was so disappointed and disgusted with myself I started searching for answers and that is when I found a neurologist. Don't give up on this ... make sure you contact some experts.
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Bob G Inner circle 2831 Posts |
That's great to hear, Chris. By the way, I'm a big-city boy, but I know about 793.8. Could it be because my wife is a librarian?
I don't have ET, but I have chronic anxiety disorder and ADHD. I suspect that many people who don't have such challenges just don't understand what it's like and have trouble sympathizing. On the other hand, I read threads like this and realize that there are lots of people who have challenges but don't usually talk about them. I admire you, Martin_K for having the guts to talk about your difficulties. The more people talk, the more we'll all realize that there's no shame in having these conditions. MagicaLaurie, I don't disagree with you, but I do want to add a caution: herbal remedies can be bad for you. A botanist friend of mine once pointed out that plants have evolved all kinds of strategies to avoid being eaten. Just because something is natural doesn't mean it's good for you. The advantage of FDA-approved drugs (including those derived from or inspired by plants) is that knowedgable people have tested them -- and that knowledgable people prescribe them or decide not to. Best of luck to you, Martin_K, and to all of you who are dealing with these problems. Bob |
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Chris Meece Special user Somerset Kentucky 864 Posts |
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On Aug 1, 2023, Bob G wrote: Bob, I have general anxiety disorder and adult ADHD. It came to a head two years ago; I didn't know I had anxiety issues till then. In the span of two weeks I went to the ER twice and a third time rushed to a cardiologist. I couldn't eat; I had chronic diarrhea. I lost over 20 pounds. I went four days and couldn't do anything but watch the trees outside. I did the 5-4-3-2-1 Coping Technique for hours on end. I worked up to watching a show on Disney+ that showed the sun rising for the space of an hour over the various parks. I couldn't go to work or church. I thought I was going to lose my job. (My toxic boss was the catalyst for all of this) Thankfully I got a handle on it. I found a good counselor and the right medication. Also a book that worked well for me was "Unwinding Anxiety." I try to be pretty vocal about my anxiety issues because there is a lot of people suffering with it and that knowledge helped me work through mine. I always loved this quote: "One day you will tell your story of how you've overcome what you're going through now, and it will become part of someone else's survival guide." I had my first gig after tweaking my ET medicine, this past Saturday. It was the best show I have ever done in my life. I had a table set up at a music festival and I drilled through Cups & Balls and Linking Rings over and over. I have never had that much confidence performing in my life. I had them bellied up to the table and even squatting down to watch and they didn't see the loads. I even had my own group of hecklers and man did it feel good to fry those little poop stains. This was the first show where I didn't say, I enjoyed it but I am glad that is over. I got home and the first thing on my mind was when is my next one?
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Bob G Inner circle 2831 Posts |
Chris, I just noticed your last post. You went through *really* tough time. Very happy to hear that your show went so well!
Bob |
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The Great Dave Loyal user My Wife said "It's Me or that Stupid Magic Website!" this many times. 203 Posts |
Chris,
Wow. Those are some ET's. I have it too, was sent to a Neurologist, take Propranolol, and still shake mildly all the time. But, it is a moderate shake compared to what it used to be. It mostly shows up in my handwriting. I am 71 this year and the tremors started in my early 60's. So far it has not affected my Magic performance, but I have always stuck with easy sleights. Primidone (Mysoline) has side effects for me and I stopped taking it. When I work with large props, the shaking is not as noticeable. Dave
Academy of Magical Arts
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