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Ovationkck New user 13 Posts |
Does anybody have any suggestions for some patter other than "I influenced your choice, that's why you picked the only blue/red backed card'
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dpe666 Inner circle 2895 Posts |
To me, this trick needs to have "basic" patter. If you tell a story or get too flowery with the patter, the effect becomes cluttered. Of course, I am usually a "get to the point" kind of guy.
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mlippo Inner circle Trieste (Italy) 1227 Posts |
I am about to introduce this effect in my repertoire. I've been hesitating a lot because I think it is not a big miracle and especially you don't end 'clean'. Furthermore I am no mentalist but I would like to put together a short act using cards but that has a mentalism feel..
This said, here's my idea: I will explain that for my show I need a person from the audience as a helper and, beacuse of the experiment nature of the things I want to show, I need a person who I can actually get in touch (mentally) or something like that. Spotting a person like this is not easy so I have developed a test which should tell me if my choice is right... I take a packet of cards from the pocket (not from the deck!!!) and perform Eight Card Brainwave. Since it (hopefully) succeeded I may say that the person I ask to help me is good and therefore he/she can stay and help me with a few (two or three) 'experiments'. At that point I'd go on with the act. In other words I would use it as an opener, using cards from an envelope (since 'one' has a different coloured back they cannot come from a pack) and then put them away drawing attention not to the effect but to the fact that the person will help me more. This to prevent people wanting to check the cards. I still have not tried this in front of an audience so it may not work as I hope... Any thoughts here? mlippo |
loyaleagle Special user Montgomery Village, Maryland 567 Posts |
Hmm, I like the "psy-test" plot, mlippo, though it probably would only work on a stage/platform situation. I like to just do it on a table with friends or something.
This is my method that I've been using for a while. This thread describes it in detail: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=201 Note that as the thread progresses I make some little changes from the stuff in the very first post. Feel free to use/borrow/steal whatever aspects you might like. I think it's a very versatile effect with many plot options.
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konjurer Veteran user Iowa 395 Posts |
I use the 8 Card Brainwave as a opener for one of my walk around sets. Banachek has a routine that works on the same principle using only 4 cards that I've used with good results. So scripting and performance style is a big factor.
You can really build this up as a nice mentalism routine. Build up the selection of the card by saying that the "card you select often reflects your personality. I feel there is a card that reflects you perfectly. Take your time and make sure you feel the card is a perfect match. Are you sure? change your mind if you feel strongly about an another card." After they pick the card, have them hold out their hand and place the card face up in their hand. "Interesting, I felt strongly about that card too." You have to ACT! Show sincerity and conviction. As you begin the Olram and you turn over the first two cards say "Clearly the back of the cards didn't influence you as they are all the same blue..." turn the first two cards back over and say "but the fronts are clearly different." You've off-handedly implanted the color of the backs. Then do a simple cold reading type/improvised explanation. "I see you didn't pick the 3 of Clubs. That card reflects an impatient personality." Table those cards and turn the next two. "I see you didn't pick the Jack of Hearts, that reflects a type C personality, a follower." And so on. You'll come up with a few canned pop-psychology explanations that you can tailor for the eight cards and the situation. Don't explain each card...just a brief comment on 2-3 cards. I use the Al Thatcher additions that Trost describes on page 200-201 where you table the cards into 2 piles. Then I casually fan the top four cards of the packet for a big show of color. Then explain the selected card with a positive personality trait that you assign to the spectator holding the card. Let's say it is a female..."You picked the 8 of Diamonds, that card reflects compassion or patience." Or a male..."You picked the 8 of Diamonds, that card reflects inner balance or leadership." I take the card from their hand. "Interesting...you picked the only red card." Then place the card into the fan for a nice colorful display. I've always gotten nice reactions with this presentation. It has to fit your style but it works for me.
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Ovationkck New user 13 Posts |
Thanks, Eagle and Konjurer I really like both routines !!!!
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts |
Whenever an effect is so strong it can be done in mime, as this one is, you should be cautious in using many words...
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Roger Kelly Inner circle Kent, England 3332 Posts |
Konjurer - great post and nice psychology tips too.
Love the casual emphasis of the colour of the backs. I'll add that to my script if you don't mind. Similarly, to reiterate colour backs, I sometimes perform an additional Hamman count with the 'seven' different cards. |
JH5magic Regular user 130 Posts |
Not a patter but idea, but a nice handling tip that I picked up from Daryl’s Encyclopedia of Card Sleights DVD Volume 7 is that as you perform the Orlam Subtlety you stagger the cards as you lay them down to the table. The RH single card going down first and then the LH back jogging its card as it drops it to the table atop the first card. You end up with a zig-zag layout of the FU cards with last card in your hands being used to scoop up the spread. You can then flip the cards FD in your hands as your fingers align the out jogged cards - drawing them back into the packet. This is a very fair second display that all the remaining cards have the ‘same color backs’.
I don’t understand Greek, but this clip demonstrates the idea: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s24Fq8ivW_Q John |
konjurer Veteran user Iowa 395 Posts |
Thanks Roger. Great minds think alike...I also do the Hamman Count as well.
John - I love that display by Daryl in the Greek video. I'll have to try that. Posted: Jun 10, 2012 11:32pm I've been watching a couple of the youtube videos of the 8 card BW and I've noticed that some mages will repeat the trick 2 or 3 times on the same audience. Sometimes showing that the card backs have changed colors. I'm not sure I like this because it seems to reveal, in some small way, how the trick is done. I guess as a pure magic trick maybe its not a bad thing but certainly not so good as a mental effect. What's your thoughts on repeating the trick? Tim
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Roger Kelly Inner circle Kent, England 3332 Posts |
Yeah, I'm in two minds about repeating. It's great if you can guarantee a change of colour but it's a fifty-fifty shot.
There was a thread about this very subject quite recently but it's an ass to find with the current search function. I quite like the way the Greek guy goes about the change of card in his repeated performance. Posted: Jun 12, 2012 4:32am Tim, I've picked up a few words of Greek over the years and something struck me whilst watching that guy's performance. I don't know enough to understand his script, but for the second phase, he's clearly counting the cards to effectively force the opposing colour thereby eliminating the fifty-fifty aspect. He reaches "pende" (five) and removes the card. AND, if you think about it, it's a no brainer. After the first phase you know what colour you'll need to force. The second phase begins with the cards 'mixed' in alternating order again and depending on the number chosen (free choice one to eight) the performer simply counts from the appropriate end. Nice. I'm going to give it a try. (Wonder if that dude is a member here?) |
Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
If you want to force a card of opposite back color, deal cards slowly face up and let spectator call stop. You use the last dealt card or the card on the face of the remaining cards. In the first performance, you spread the cards cace up for the selection.
I think it is better than counting from right or left. Hideo Kato |
Roger Kelly Inner circle Kent, England 3332 Posts |
Good point Hideo. But a tabled spread would look natural enough counting from either side and would eliminate the worrying, "No, I stopped on that one!" brigade.
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Jeff Inner circle Orlando, FL 1238 Posts |
There's a effect in my first book, The King Has Left the Building...With Amnesia, called Predict-a-Wave which uses this effect to create a personalized prediction to the person you are performing for. You can find the book as a download only website.
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AdamChance Special user 656 Posts |
I just came up with this idea tonight... though I think there's a good chance that someone has done this before.
in your 8 card selection... have 4 red cards (like 2 hearts, and 2 diamonds) that have a red back. and then have the other 4 black cards that you selected have a black back (at my walmart, they had a special on decks where you get four packs in total... two with red backs and two with black backs, so that's perfect for this). then when they pick a card... you can say "i know why you picked that card... because it was red/black"... then show your other 7 to be black/red ... and then get them to turn their card over. or, you can even ask "why did you choose this card?" and sometimes you might get lucky and they'll say "i picked it because it was red"... and then you can reply "how did you know it was red?" ... they'll be like "what?"... then you say "see, these cards are all black... how did you know to pick the red one?" and even if they say some other reason... you can just disagree with their reason and say "you picked that card because it was red". so you can joke around with a bit of wordplay with the black cards and red cards. ----------- also, I would try not to repeat this trick for someone, especially doing it this way. if I did the trick for someone, and then they were watching me do it for someone else maybe 30+minutes later... I think that's fine because you can always explain that you pick different cards for different people depending on their personality or whatever BS you want to use. If you're concerned with this as a problem, you can always bring multiple packets so that if a person sees you repeating the trick for someone, it's a different set of 8 cards... you can even say during the performance "oh, this guy picked the 7 of clubs last time... but I had to choose 8 cards that I thought would work well for you". Posted: Jun 18, 2012 4:21pm I also prefer to do this with 6 cards instead of 8. it makes the Olram much less obvious. also, you can do a 5 card elmsley count instead (if you arrange the order a bit). this way you don't need a table or surface to perform it on. another good patter line "i'm going to try to make you pick one of these cards... but I'm not going to tell you which one I want you to pick. so make a selection and try not to let me influence your choice." |
dduane Special user Bridgewater, MA 784 Posts |
I like using the 8-card as a lead in to Red Hot Mama. After doing the brainwave, I say, "Well this could be just luck - I wasn't playing with a full deck, (corny/pause) so let's try it with a regular deck of cards..."
Another idea is to use all the same color backs with this and RHM. Instead of a different color, you could write "Your Card" or "I knew you'd pick this card" etc. Of course you'd have to force the first selection using a count from either left or right to get a printed-on card. - Dennis |
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