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Countage Veteran user Charlotte 361 Posts |
I just bought a Tango Esienhower Flipper. I was wondering if anyone can recommend a good dvd to learn different techniques and routines with this gimmick.
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Poof-Daddy Inner circle Considering Stopping At Exactly 5313 Posts |
Craig Petty - Flipped Out http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S10170
Silver Surfer 2 - Troy Hooser http://www.vanishingincmagic.com/magic/c......-surf-2/ pamphlet style book but very good. He also has some flipper stuff in DesTROYers book (and DVD series) Eric Jones - Metal 3 and An Extention of Me That's a pretty good start for ya
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dennis8 New user The Netherlands 41 Posts |
I agree with poof/daddy except that I didn't like flipped
Out as much as troy hoosers destroyers and Eric jones extension of me dvd. It had some nice routines but I liked the other two more. |
Andrew Zuber Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 3014 Posts |
Dean Dill also has a few routines on his Flip It DVD.
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Countage Veteran user Charlotte 361 Posts |
Thanks guys!
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jconstantine Special user Long Island New York 566 Posts |
I second craig petty's flipped out!
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Dapperdan Regular user Detroit Area Magicians & Mentalists (DAMM) 136 Posts |
Piping in in case someone happens across this old thread...
I also recently purchased an Eisenhower Flipper in order to supplement my coin magic with new effects. I purchased Craig Petty's Flipped Out hoping to learn some basic stuff. (I already own and have watched most of Eric Jones' Extension of Me.) Although there are a number of great routines with some (what I think are) original ideas with the flipper, I have to say that I am disappointed with the DVD. While the routines on there are well worth learning, I didn't think he spends enough time on the "basics". Specifically, he covers very quickly the move of picking up a regular coin, getting it to palming position and then opening the flipper and showing it as two. This is probably the most central move in most of his routines and he spends maybe 30 seconds on it. (And... he doesn't even explain this until about halfway through the explanations of all his routines. The DVD must have ended up in a different sequence than the filmed it and, as a result, he refers to things in the DVD that haven't been shown yet.) I would have also liked to have seen more time spent on the subtlety of showing both hands empty even though the flipper is being palmed. The other part that loses me is that multiple times, he mentions handing out all the coins to be inspected and then getting them back. How the heck do you hand out a gravity flipper for inspection?!? Enough said there! One other thing I would have liked to have him cover is spectator management. A number of his routines have him placing an open flipper in a spectators hands. While I've seen other performers do this (including Eric Jones), I would imagine that it takes careful spectator management to successfully pull it off. (I'm thinking simple things like keeping a finger on their hand to keep it in place or perhaps directing them to actually lay their hand on the table, etc...) I'm definitely seeing some moves and routines on the DVD that will make it into my routine, but some more of the basics would have been helpful.
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inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2350 Posts |
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On Apr 9, 2016, Dapperdan wrote: You treat it as nothing special and they will too. I think he's talking quick and casual inspection. While a gravity flipper will fall open by itself, you have to hold it a certain way. Unless they're coin collectors, people don't pick up coins by the edges. Any other way and their fingers will keep it shut. Still, you probably want to choose which one gets the flipper carefully. |
Poof-Daddy Inner circle Considering Stopping At Exactly 5313 Posts |
Dapperdan, I agree that the DVD is a bit "hurried" but I think it assumes that by the time you are ready to move into "advanced" routines (using specialty gaffs like a flipper or a split coin - in his "Split Happens" DVD) You should probably already by pretty comfortable with the basics like showing hands "empty", passing out coins and spectator management. I have almost every source out there but have really learned the most from that particular DVD (as far as commercial effects I will perform).
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Dapperdan Regular user Detroit Area Magicians & Mentalists (DAMM) 136 Posts |
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On Apr 9, 2016, Poof-Daddy wrote: Poof... I agree that it's reasonable to expect the magician to be familiar with subtleties like showing the hands empty (although I've yet to find a source to really help with those kinds of things... I've got Modern Coin Magic and An Extension of Me and they both only briefly touch on it). The passing out of a flipper for inspection, however, could be more addressed. This DVD keeps getting referenced as a great primer on flipper utilization, so it would be good if it covered the basics. Again... the routines the DVD covers are great and will be perfect once I get more experience with the gimmick. But... since I'm in the early stages of my flipper use, I'm still looking for some of the basics.
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
I hand out my flipper almost every time I use one.
If using Morgan's I may let a spec hold it and look at more closely because they are pretty rare and seldom seen by non-coin collectors. The specs don't pull out a magnifying glass or start looking for trap doors, it's just an interesting coin to them. If using more common coins I may hand it to them and ask them to tell me what the date is on it. That way they have held it in their hands and all seemed as it should. Some performers will hand out the coin(s) and say "make sure they are exactly what they appear to be", but I try to avoid even saying that as I feel it is too close to saying 'here, examine these and make sure they aren't trick coins". I'd much rather hand them the coin for a moment without saying anything while I supposedly use both of my hands to look for something in my pockets. You can use dodges like that to give the spec the feeling they have examined the coins without really giving them much of an opportunity to do so. This works well because most people feel kind of foolish examining a coin so they don't really want to examine it, they just want to know that they could if they wanted to, and putting the coin in their hands momentarily will usually make them believe there is nothing to find. Back on topic, even though I haven't watched it for quite some time, I thought Eric Jones covered a lot of flipper basics on Extension of Me. Isn't that the 3 DVD set? But I may be remembering wrong and it was on another DVD of his. |
tonsofquestions Inner circle 1802 Posts |
His 3 DVD set is "metal", and the 3rd DVD is what covers the gaffs.
However, I don't have it, so couldn't say exactly he covers in terms of basics. |
Dapperdan Regular user Detroit Area Magicians & Mentalists (DAMM) 136 Posts |
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On Apr 10, 2016, videoman wrote: I'm still just not quite getting it. I THINK that if a magician were to hand me a coin to look at, there's a good chance that I would pick it up by the edges and look at the front and back. If I were to do that, wouldn't gravity just have its way with the coin (if you know what I mean)? Seems like an awful big risk... does anyone have any failure (and hopefully recovery) stories?
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
Ask them to hold out their hand and drop the coin in their palm with flipper side down.
It's uncommon for someone to pick up a coin by the edges, and even if they did the pads of their fingers would probably prevent the flipper from opening. There is some risk but it is a very small risk, not an awful big one as you say. Like so many things of this nature it requires being aware of how they are handling the coin and using audience management. You can hand out a regular coin first and see how they handle it in order to decide if you want to hand them the flipper. You don't have to hand anything out so if it makes you uncomfortable simply don't do it. But I think you're obsessing on it too much. It's not as big a deal as you think. But of course all of this is dependent on the fact that you are using a very well made gaff. |
inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2350 Posts |
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On Apr 10, 2016, tonsofquestions wrote: To clarify, Videoman was correct - "An Extension of Me" is a 3 DVD _SET_ (3 in one package, sold together) and includes his flipper work with things like the Oxyclean Coin routine. "Metal" is a 3 DVD series, (at least originally sold individually) that's more a progressive tutorial on coin magic in general, with the focus on gaffs on the 3rd volume (as noted). |
inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2350 Posts |
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On Apr 13, 2016, Dapperdan wrote: And I might do the same if it was just a one-on-one situation; otherwise I wouldn't want to potentially expose a gimmick and ruin the effect. But that's thinking like a magician, and knowing how this item works. If a spectator were to discover a gravity flipper, I'd make a joke out of it -- "whoops! that's the one with the trap door", switch it out and move on to something else. I think that way would be remembered more as inclusion of a "gag" item, not an exposed secret. Alternatively, you could look into getting one of the Mason/Swadling locking gravity flippers. While some handling would need to change, gravity generally wouldn't have its way. |
David Neighbors V.I.P. 4910 Posts |
Well If you know WHEN to Do a Coin Trick With a Flipper And Not just HOW They Will not Won't To look at your Coins!!!
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