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MaxfieldsMagic Inner circle Instead of practicing, I made 3009 Posts |
The demo of this looks pretty good, but it's not clear how much poetic license has been taken with some of the visuals, particularly those that don't directly involve the matrix moves. Also, why do they call the magician "Jay, one of the most famous close up magicians in China" in the description when he's identified as "Stanley Ching" in the product title?
http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S17592
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In "Zero Matrix"; Jay, one of the most famous close-up magicians in China shows you various routines of the Zero Coins.
Zero Matrix is modified from the traditional coin matrix.
Zero Coins can move freely on the table and they can disappear and reappear.
Your audience will be surprised!
Instead of standard cards, translucent cards are used.
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
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Steven Conner Inner circle 2720 Posts |
It appears to use ba but still looks good.
"The New York Papers," Mark Twain once said,"have long known that no large question is ever really settled until I have been consulted; it is the way they feel about it, and they show it by always sending to me when they get uneasy. "
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inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2350 Posts |
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On Mar 13, 2014, tomsk192 wrote: Clearly Mr. Schneider needs to learn a thing or two about magic. His video has no slick graphics, and not one moody cut scene that has nothing to do with the effect. ;-) Yeah. Plastic cards and plastic coins* are the way to go. They LOOK cheap, and (*cough*) no one would think "gimmicks" (*cough*) when real coins and cards aren't being used. And why do his hands jump every time a coin appears/disappears/moves? I can't tell you exactly what he's doing, but it sure looks like he's doing *SOMETHING*, and that's not a good thing -- certainly not magical. *Or whatever those things are seen at 0:51, 1:21 and 1:38. |
MaxfieldsMagic Inner circle Instead of practicing, I made 3009 Posts |
If this does use BA, then I'm guessing there was some "video modification" involved. Because it's unlikely that the BA used would so exactly match the pad.
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inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2350 Posts |
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On Mar 13, 2014, MaxfieldsMagic wrote: It wouldn't have to. Sending details via PM. |
arthur stead Inner circle When I played soccer, I hit 1773 Posts |
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On Mar 13, 2014, inigmntoya wrote: So true, Inigmntoya. Can't stand those over-produced, irrelevant video intros (which, unfortunately, are all the rage). I personally do an adaptation of Al Schneider's original Matrix called "Attack of the Giant Killer Coin" by Paul Harris. Nevertheless, whenever I baffle my audiences with this routine, I always inwardly thank Mr. Schneider for his wonderful creation. |
inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2350 Posts |
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On Mar 13, 2014, Steven Conner wrote: Interesting -- I was just thinking, if that's the case, wouldn't the coins (if you can call them that?) be infringing on a commercially marketed item frequently discussed in this forum? |
MaxfieldsMagic Inner circle Instead of practicing, I made 3009 Posts |
Hmmm, wonder what Brian Platt has to say about that.
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J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts |
Brian didn't originate the referenced product. He said as much a year or two ago when a creator who had made an almost identical product accused him of appropriating the idea.
To be honest, I don’t know when it was originally published/released, but I'm fairly certain it was long before Brian's product. BTW, I own a few of those coins and absolutely love them. My comments above are in no way meant to discredit Brian's product. Thank you. Jim |
tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
Black art is as old as the hills. Let's not get silly.
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inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2350 Posts |
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On Mar 15, 2014, tomsk192 wrote: Of course it is, but the idea of applying it in a specific way might not be, and applying it in closeup with coins specifically is what I was asking about. |
inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2350 Posts |
Thanks for the clarification. I wasn't aware of any similar product, and had only reviewed the introduction on Brian's DVD to confirm what he'd said about its history.
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J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts |
I didn't know about an earlier history for the "Blackout" coin effect either until a new member of the Café started ranting about Platt having stolen his effect.
Here's a video of him, who was blasting Platt all over the Café for "stealing" his effect. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtrP622sjco&feature=plcp The video was posted in 2006 while Platt's Blackout was released in 2009. After blowing off steam for a week or two he apologized to Brian Platt. Brian had posted that it appears the effects are the same and apologized and made his case for independent invention. The guy's apology to Brian for the "stealing" comments is still here: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=109 But apparently all the other threads that compared the effects were removed by the management. The guy posted about another effect he developed in another thread but the discussion quickly turned to his "Coincealment" effect, which appears to be Blackout exactly but was released a few years earlier. That's when others posted about even earlier uses of Black Arts and coins by Don Drake and Henry Evans. Apparently Henry Evans used a similar effect to produce and vanish jumbo coins! That thread's here: http://themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic......orum=109 Thanks! Jim |
Steven Conner Inner circle 2720 Posts |
I have Dondrakes BA coins. They are probably 25 years old.
"The New York Papers," Mark Twain once said,"have long known that no large question is ever really settled until I have been consulted; it is the way they feel about it, and they show it by always sending to me when they get uneasy. "
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On Mar 13, 2014, MaxfieldsMagic wrote: If? BTW Platt's Blackout is useful. Think about the edges and worries ... he's done some work on that side of making the principle practical for real world use in closeup magic. Now if you happen to have two of his Blackout items you could likely do something that looks like the routine shown in that OP video. Up to you though. Using transparent cards is not exactly adding to the Schneider Matrix effect.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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SydBeckman New user Tennessee 92 Posts |
I like the effect. But I admit if he is using BA I don't know how, given the angles, you can't see a difference between that and the close up pad. Jonathan's makes a good point. I think edges would be troublesome. I'm not familiar with platt's work but if you BA one side of the edges but not the other it might work if you watched your angles.
Syd
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inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2350 Posts |
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On Mar 23, 2014, SydBeckman wrote: PM'd you with my speculations.... |
tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
Not meaning to be rude, but I think this whole thing has its Genesis in muddled thinking.
It strikes me that somebody thought, 'How can I improve Matrix? I know, let's make everything transparent!' Anybody who has done coins across and visible coins across will know that the eye candy aspect of VCA doesn't necessarily enhance the magical impact. Rather, there is something pleasingly ticklish about the transportation being done under cover, which appeals to the audience. In my experience, a simple coins across can be truly mind bending, and the closed fist adds some minute drama, which can be solidly built upon. Matrix [Al Schneider] has this element. It is also so very clean: four cards, four coins. Hey, for some people this may be fantastic, but for me it is nowhere. Sorry. |
robvh Elite user Calgary, AB 440 Posts |
While I'm skeptical about using BA for the reasons already mentioned (colour matching, edges), I think it could work if you're mindful of never leaving the B side exposed without the semi-translucent cards as cover. The frosted colour might effectively camouflage any problems that would otherwise be visible. I'll reserve judgement until I read some reviews.
I agree about these self-indulgent, padded trailers being overused and irksome. |
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