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GodOfCards New user 63 Posts |
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On Sep 10, 2014, ZachDavenport wrote: I'd suggest not doing those tricks in this circumstance then. |
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Glenn Morphew Elite user Chicago 486 Posts |
In my experience, with the kinds of tricks I perform, it doesn't matter if I have as few as 40 cards in the deck. No one has ever said a word about it in 40 years. But again, that's just my experience with the kinds of tricks I perform.
Before I performed for paying clients I would never even think of doing a trick that "ruined" my deck. Now, I can count on it. I often start the night with a deck that's short 3 or 4 cards. I've found there are very few absolutes regarding most things in magic. Your own experience of what does and does not work for you personally is all that really matters as long as you have high standards and you're perceptive. Glenn
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Atom3339 Inner circle Spokane, WA 3242 Posts |
Excellent post, Glenn!
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BarryFernelius Inner circle Still learning, even though I've made 2537 Posts |
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On Sep 12, 2014, RogerTheShrubber wrote: Actually, this trick doesn't require a 52 card deck. It seemed to work with 32 cards, as far as I could tell. I'm guessing it might not work with an ODD number of cards. I'll do a few more experiments, and I'll report back...
"To achieve great things, two things are needed: a plan and not quite enough time."
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RogerTheShrubber Veteran user 301 Posts |
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On Sep 13, 2014, BarryFernelius wrote: The Scarne book says a 52-card deck is a must (it's emphasized by the first sentence in the solution), and I never thought to question him. But I have no reason to doubt you either, so now I have my own experiment to do. |
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RogerTheShrubber Veteran user 301 Posts |
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On Sep 13, 2014, BarryFernelius wrote: Son of a (insert predictable choice of word which would probably be bleeped)...you were right. I just did it and it worked for 32 and for 36. It never for a moment occurred to me to question Scarne's assertion or even think about it. This is a valuable lesson. I appreciate it, thanks. My apologies to the OP. Seems I was wrong as I could be about the trick needing 52. |
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BarryFernelius Inner circle Still learning, even though I've made 2537 Posts |
Just finished doing the math to understand what's happening with this trick. There are a few corner cases that need further work. I'll report back what I've found later.
"To achieve great things, two things are needed: a plan and not quite enough time."
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HudsonView New user 98 Posts |
No worries Roger, this has been an interesting discussion.
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alicauchy Veteran user Málaga, Spain 310 Posts |
Concerning Scarne's mathematical trick, the important fact that the performer needs to take into account is that the two spectator's cards should not be swapped. This can happen when one of the spectators stops after dealing a lot of cards: in this case, the number of cards between both cards can be odd. Of course, this can be avoided be kindly inviting the spectators to speed up the process; concerning this point, working with a picket deck might be risky.
The trick seems to work as well with odd-numbered decks, simply interchanging the behavior of left and right packages. An interesting case, not commented in the book, is the possibility that both spectators can choose the same card just by chance. Obviously, both (the same chosen) cards can be found in the same (left or right) package.
So much to do, so little time . . .
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Kingman Loyal user Willow Spring NC 294 Posts |
Well. if they notice or not, I would. I would feel very strange holding less than a full deck in my hands. I would not want to get used to practicing with any other amount. You would be uncomfortable if someone handed you a personal deck and asked you do something. For cards that get used for mutilation effects. I never get rid of cards. When a deck is too worn to use smoothly it goes into a pile I can use for a TnR or if I need duplicates. The symmetry of a deck of playing cards is too beautiful of a thing, mathmatically and design-wise. Who would want to mess with it now?
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HudsonView New user 98 Posts |
" Who would want to mess with it now"
ah...I don't know. Inventors? people who think out of the box. For exploration? To see where it would go? During Houdin's time, how many cards were normal? I'm certainly not saying that I always use less than a 52 card deck. I never even implied that I did. But rigidity is the enemy of creativity. Nothing is set in stone. All assumptions should be questioned. That is the difference between an art form that is growing and one that is a museum piece. Who knows what could be accomplished by focusing ones mind on a small deck. We have Tiny House Nation on TV after all. Everyone is downsizing it seems. Cups and balls has no problem downsizing to a chop cup. Who knows what miracles await those who expore the possiblities of a chop deck? It seems to me that larger than a packet, smaller than a full deck opens up areas of exploration. Why limit oneself. |
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ZachDavenport Inner circle Last time I posted I had one less than 1196 Posts |
If you have a reason to do it then do it, but don't do it just to do it.
Reality is a real killjoy.
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Invisticone Regular user 132 Posts |
@Derwyddon
Unless people start picking the exact same card over and over again, just replacing that card from another deck will be a lot more practical. |
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HudsonView New user 98 Posts |
Funny, I was just reading Hofzinser's Card Conjuring and the very first effects are done the a 32 card deck.
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JBSmith1978 Veteran user NY 389 Posts |
Maybe try using thinner cards instead of less cards. Or practice certain things with more than 52.
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docguitarman Special user Thousand Oaks, California 888 Posts |
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On Sep 8, 2014, BarryFernelius wrote: Another deck is the traditional Russian decks that have 36 cards, 4 more than the piquet deck, as the Russian deck includes the 6's. Russian decks can be bought and maybe some patter about the Russian deck would work. |
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docguitarman Special user Thousand Oaks, California 888 Posts |
Since my post above I ran across the "Spanish Suite" deck. It consists of four suits (clubs, cups, coins and swords) and cards numbered 1-7 and 10-11-12 (court cards), for a total of 40 cards.
I just bought a pair from playing card decks dot com for the outlandish price of 4.99 ! The deck are sufficiently "odd" so they look mysterious to me at least. I just need to think up some patter to go with them. |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Is this about fewer = easier for you;
Or audiences caring about whether you're doing card tricks with a full deck?
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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