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MemDeck329 Regular user 179 Posts |
The PERFECT Stack!
Well, you may not contribute or comment on this thread, but at least, I have your attention, right? Everyone has distinct wishes and desires. For me, I require two things: 1. I like, and am proficient in Faro Shuffles. I desire a stack that can be attained by one or more Faros from NDO order. Or, even from a slightly culled order. 2. I like to be able to spread the cards out on the table for more than a millisecond. Ideally, it should “look” like a randomly shuffled deck. “Built in effects”? Yeah, those are cool but I can live without them. Every stack has some interesting features. Si Stebbins, etc., are GREAT until you spread the cards out on the table. Drat! I LOVE Si Stebbins! You can faro into pairs, four of a kind, and even “Out of this World set-ups…. but….. Even so, folks like Darwin Ortiz and Gene Anderson get accolades from these setups. Aronson, etc., are GREAT except you have to set-up 52 cards in the correct order, one at a time. Drat! “Formulas” and “Rules” can be daunting under fire. You know what I mean. We have all died a painful-death at one time or another, right? If you are young you can have a brain-fart! If you are old (like me), you can have a senior-moment. You know what I’m talking about. What are your requirements? |
Waterloophai Inner circle Belgium 1368 Posts |
"THE" perfect stack does not excist.
I have my perfect stack. But it will be surely not your perfect stack. And your perfect stack will be surely not my perfect stack. It all depends on what you want to do with your MD. |
MemDeck329 Regular user 179 Posts |
Exactly right!
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J-L Sparrow Regular user 167 Posts |
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On Feb 22, 2015, MemDeck329 wrote: Sounds to me like you'd enjoy Juan Tamariz's Mnemonica stack, as it fits all of your requirements nicely. You can get into the proper order with (I think) a full faro and a partial faro (so you won't have to remember any formulas or rules under fire). And since you can get into Mnemonica order from new deck order, you don't necessarily need to set up 52 cards in the correct order, one at a time. (Though you would have to first set it up in new deck order, if it isn't already.) Whichever stack you choose, make sure you memorize it thoroughly. That is, learn which card is at which number, which number has which card, and the preceding and following cards of each individual card. I hope this helps! |
MemDeck329 Regular user 179 Posts |
Thanks guys! I have used the Aronson Stack since 2009. I was just curious
what YOU think is the Perfect Stack (for you). http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=205 I've looked at Tamariz and Richardson and other systems. From what I have seen, except for Ortiz's "Secret", the shuffling into Tamariz or Aronson (Richardson) leave too many possibilities for something to go wrong. So, I've had to compromise. If I want to faro shuffle into a stack, I use Si Stebbins. If I want to use a stack that doesn't look like a stack, I use Aronson. I wish I could have it both ways, but so far, no luck. |
J-L Sparrow Regular user 167 Posts |
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On Feb 24, 2015, MemDeck329 wrote: In fairness to Juan Tamariz's Mnemonica stack, it can be set up (from new deck order) both by using faros, and by not using faros. It's your choice which you want to use. Personally, even though I've rarely ever executed a perfect faro, I'm able to get a deck from new deck order to Mnemonica order pretty quickly without faros, thanks to the fact that Juan Tamariz explains how to do so in his Mnemonica book. (The Mnemonica stack is not the stack I normally use. The stack I normally use is Richard Osterlind's MBCS, and the reason why I'll leave for another post.) To be honest, I think you'll be in a good position no matter which random-looking stack you choose to use, but from what I understand, Juan Tamariz's Mnemonica stack really plays well with faro shuffles. |
doriancaudal Inner circle 1532 Posts |
My perfect stack, the one I always use is ISIS, by Isidore Buc. A really good mix taking the advantages of Aronson, Tamariz, Rix, Si Stebbins). It's not perfect for english speaking people, but for me, as a french, THIS is the stack to go for.
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Brad Jeffers Veteran user 377 Posts |
MemDeck329,
From your criteria, I believe the perfect stack for you may be the one I use. I call it The Fifth Pharaoh. From new deck order do five out faro shuffles and there you have it. I'm sure many have come up with this independently. I know Mike Skinner used it a lot and published an excellent effect, "The Monkeys Paw", which takes advantage of the fact that three more faros brings you back to new deck order. |
MemDeck329 Regular user 179 Posts |
That is truly an EXCELLENT idea! I actually have that book: "Classic Sampler"
by Mike Skinner. This does fulfill the requirement/desire to set-up using Faro Shuffles, and the feature that the deck can be spread face up. But..... I have spent a lot of time and effort mastering the Aronson Stack. And, I do like some of the stack-dependant self working miracles included in this system. There are so many choices in these modern times. All stacks have inherent advantages and disavantages. |
Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
For me, Dyment's QuickStack is perfect because it contains the strengths of both si stebbins type stack and 'random' stacks like Tamariz and Aronson. There's a lot more to it than this, but briefly:
Bottom line, any stack you devote some time toward will generate benefits as you become aware of relationships and symmetries that you weren't previously aware of and if you can leverage any particular stack's strength to your presentation you've got quite a tool for the toolbox.
Steven Keyl - The Human Whisperer!
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Cohiba Special user Michigan 749 Posts |
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On Mar 14, 2015, Steven Keyl wrote: Steve - do you mean AT ANY POINT with the exception of 1 and 2 faros after the stack, when the cards are in pairs or 4 of a kinds? I haven't studied Doug's stack, but it sounds interesting. |
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