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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
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On Apr 21, 2017, Jonathan Townsend wrote: No, I'm asking what's at the root of any moral code that condones the initiation of violence. You're a smart man. What do you think is the root of those moral codes? Why do they persist beyond any need for them? The vanity of the credulous? And I'm not complaining. I'm stating my opinion -just like everyone else.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Please, it's "justified response to provocation"..."national interests" ..."safety and security"
At least use recognizable mediabites in correct bureaucratic declension.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
@Vanity of the credulous; I wish it were mere vanity so that each emporer could enjoy their new clothes. I believe it's base hunger and fear which want discussion.
What is the good? that which gets not only survives but gets rewarded. Got better?
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On Apr 21, 2017, NYCTwister wrote: What do you think is a true the root of your own moral code? To some, it is "violence" and injustice to abort a pregnancy; to others, it is "violence" and injustice to be prevented from being able to do aol. This is a.moral ifference that divides tens of millions of people in one relatively small country. They're not divided because of a lack of education; they're divided by a fundamental moral difference that has serious consequences regardless from which way it's adjudicated. Violence is condoned as a response to extreme injustice in most moral codes. Build yourself a time machine and go back to 1865 and find some African Americans in the south and try to sell them on the idea that war and violence never solve anything.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
[bait]a magical morality separates those at cause from their effects[/bait]
Are lost performatives going the way of socks in the wash or they are the baby in the bathwater?
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
@lobo, my time machine is stuck in the design phase of development. May I borrow yours for that experiment?
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Without resolving the issue of moral conduct for all people at all times, perhaps we can come to a tentative conclusion about bombing civilians in 2017.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
How about we don't do it as a starting point?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On Apr 21, 2017, Dannydoyle wrote: I agree. Not sure that argument has worked before, but it does seem to have an objective on moral high ground.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On Apr 21, 2017, Jonathan Townsend wrote: 3/3. I'm feeling encouraged.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
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On Apr 21, 2017, LobowolfXXX wrote: Like I said, I'm naive. The Golden Rule works for me. I stay away from masochists and pretty much everything seems to go the way I expect it to. Quote:
To some, it is "violence" and injustice to abort a pregnancy Why is it considered violence to some? Be honest, how many of those who feel that way came to that conclusion on their own? Quote:
to others, it is "violence" and injustice to be prevented from being able to do aol. I don't agree, and I don't do aol. Quote:
This is a.moral ifference that divides tens of millions of people in one relatively small country. They're not divided because of a lack of education; they're divided by a fundamental moral difference that has serious consequences regardless from which way it's adjudicated. Yes, I know. That's my point. Quote:
Violence is condoned as a response to extreme injustice in most moral codes. Doesn't make it right, and only gets you more. If you're talking about situations where people just can't stand anymore, I think the better question to ask is what allowed the extreme injustice to exist in the first place. Quote:
Build yourself a time machine and go back to 1865 and find some African Americans in the south and try to sell them on the idea that war and violence never solve anything. That's only a manifestation of the problem - which has existed since almost the beginning of history. I'd go back much further.
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
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On Apr 21, 2017, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: Gladly. How about we stop doing it. At least until we can restock from the last time we bombed them.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I agree. You're naive.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
Yep, and I ask silly questions too.
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1KJ Inner circle Warning: We will run out of new tricks in 4385 Posts |
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On Dec 6, 2015, NYCTwister wrote: Bingo! This is what it's all really about. Money, money, money... very dirty money. |
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1KJ Inner circle Warning: We will run out of new tricks in 4385 Posts |
There is a missing paragraph at the end:
There is, however, one thing that ties this all together in a nice neat little bow (good). That is that all of this results in a handful of people making a bunch of deals (mostly bad) and a boatload of money (good?... not so much). |
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Salguod Nairb Room 101 0 Posts |
Perhaps we should get rid of money and just use oranges...
We shall meet in the place where there is no darkness...
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On Apr 21, 2017, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: I think, that under further probing, it will be found that not everybody really agrees with this. There will be conditions, exceptions, asterisks, fine print...
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1KJ Inner circle Warning: We will run out of new tricks in 4385 Posts |
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On Apr 22, 2017, Salguod Nairb wrote: And avocados. |
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