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stempleton Inner circle 1443 Posts |
One that the lid can be placed on and off with the load only releasing when you choose? If so, where might I find one?
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Not any more, more, I believe it was Abbott's Giant Duck Pan (low profile) that used the "L" latch. Press down and turn to release. Abbott's has not made any metal products in many years.
You can try the 2nd hand market. Owen's Magic made a Duck Pan (low profile), but I don't know the locking mechanism. |
stempleton Inner circle 1443 Posts |
Thanks, Bill. That's a start. I know what I'm looking for.
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
A dove or duck pan was a magical prop (at the time, they were called apparatus, a term which began, as far as I know, in the 17th Century, the dawn of the age of science. At that time, magician adopted the title of "doctor", or professor, and "performed" experiments, not tricks. I wrote a long "essay" in that regard, recently. Those interested can check my posts for the past month.)
that magicians used to produce "stuff" like ducks, doves. They resembled, somewhat, the chafing dish which was a relatively common utensil, especially in wealthy homes. My grandmother had a chafing dish that she had inherited, but, never used. I have owned, over the years, perhaps nearly a dozen of this, IMO, antiquated prop. Few layman recognize it as a utensil used to keep food warm on a buffet. To the layman, it's a magician's prop. The OP should search the used lists for an Abbott pan. I've never used one in my show. The "pans" that I've owned were from magician's estates. I sold them ASAP! Abbott's "Streamlined" (low profile) Duck Pan, and Abbott's Streamlined Dove Pan used the same mechanism that Bill mentioned above. Most other manufacturers (Petrie/Lewis, Thayer, Owens, Morrissey, et al, used the "standard" method of release. Chickadee pans were just a smaller version of the prop.
SNEAKY, UNDERHANDED, DEVIOUS,& SURREPTITIOUS ITINERANT MOUNTEBANK
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Donald Dunphy Inner circle Victoria, BC, Canada 7563 Posts |
There's also a prop called a "Magical Candy Box" (or "Magic Candy Box"), which is square and made of plastic. It will do what you're asking about, Steve.
The load can appear or vanish, and does it when you choose. I just bought 4 of them from David Ginn (in different colours) within the past couple of months. He got them from Robbins. They are made in India. Duane Laflin also sells them (as do others, I'm sure). There's a video of the prop in action on Duane's site: http://www.laflinmagicstore.com/product-p/mcp.htm Quote:
Item description: Fundamentally the Candy Pan is similar to the Dove Pan, yet it is not because it can work in either direction. The load can be lifted out of the pan or dropped into the pan at any time the magician chooses for this to happen. This means the pan can repeatedly be shown empty or full, then it can change to the opposite (an empty pan suddenly full or a full pan suddenly empty.) Link to the product on David Ginn's website: http://www.ginnmagic.com/index.php?page=......Itemid=1 At about 5" square, it's a bit too small for use with doves, but will work with lots of other items. - Donald
Donald Dunphy is a Victoria Magician, British Columbia, Canada.
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
The Duck Pan is something like 12" in diameter. In other words very large.
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jimgerrish Inner circle East Orange, NJ 3209 Posts |
Spellbinder wrote an e-Book on the use of an ordinary kitchen "Stock Pot" for The Wizards' Journal #18, in which he describes how it can replace the old fashioned Top Hat, as well as the old fashioned Dove Pan in producing larger livestock loads, as well as liquid loads. The lid of a stock pot is flat, or slightly curved, but not suspiciously large. Another feature of most stock pots is that they come with a steaming basket which has additional magical uses in combination with the pot and lid. best of all, a 24-Quart All Purpose Aluminum Stockpot with Steam and Boil Basket costs about $50 on Amazon.com which is far less than most large dove pans or silk top hats. You may wonder, "How can I possibly justify using a stock pot in my magic act?" The answer is: the same way you justify using a dove pan or a top hat.
An old Wiz Kid magic act was to have the Kid perform as "Fool-ya Child" - (Julia Child, get it? This was back when she was still cooking on TV). Of course, in that situation, the stock pot fit right in. The kids loved imitating her voice as they performed.
Jim Gerrish
magicnook@yahoo.com https://www.magicnook.com Home of The Wizards' Journals: https://magicnook.com/wizardsTOC.htm |
stempleton Inner circle 1443 Posts |
Donald, that's what I'm looking for, only I think it might be too small. I also hate plastic, but I can paint with a spray that mimics steel, so that wouldn't be too much of a problem. A good idea, though, one I might explore. I can get it through the wholesaler at a much better price.
Dick, I hear you, but I don't have a problem using "magic looking" props. This would be for a children's show, and they simply don't care if it screams "prop." They see it's empty, now it's full... that's enough for them. I will be searching for the Abbott product. Thanks for the history. Jim, that's an interesting idea. I assume the ebook describes how to "rig" the pot to operate as I described? I don't care if it looks like a pot. Thanks. |
chmara Inner circle Tucson, AZ 1911 Posts |
I have a cpoule of pans that can do that -- one duck and one dove. What diameter are you looking for -- PM me if interested please.
Gregg (C. H. Mara) Chmara
Commercial Operations, LLC Tucson, AZ C. H. Mara Illusion & Psychic Entertainments |
stempleton Inner circle 1443 Posts |
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On Feb 10, 2017, chmara wrote: I PM'd you. Thanks! |
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