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Bob G Inner circle 2830 Posts |
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On Sep 16, 2017, James F wrote: Hi James, I just reread this carefully and realized that I don't understand it. When you have a chance could you offer more detail? I'm not sure exactly where you're holding the break. It sounds like your idea is iin the same family as carlyle's solution, but he uses two stranger cards, as he mentioned. Does your method avoid both the DL and the use of more than one stranger? If so, I'm *most* intrigued. (-: Bob |
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tltq Regular user east coast 161 Posts |
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On Sep 26, 2017, Bob G wrote: The two sequences I posted were not directed at one person. One thing I like about the two sequences is that the odd-backed card doesn't leave the deck before it is shown (in effect of course). |
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Steve Burton Loyal user 258 Posts |
My mistake, it was the original Al Leech effect, A Hot Card Trick that doesn't use a double, not Jim Ryan's Red Hot Mama. I still maintain that it's the cleanest method. After the card changes color I spin it briefly in the air to "show" that it's the indeed the card they chose. I also have this card signed so there is more heat on it than usual, I suppose.
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Bob G Inner circle 2830 Posts |
Hi Steve,
Interesting. I just looked up A Hot Card Trick in The Complete Al Leech (p. 109), and it is indeed what came to be known as Chicago Opener/Red Hot Mama. The original version suggests using something to make two cards stick together (as many on this thread have suggested), which avoids all sleight of hand, but either Leech or the book's editor, Danny Rudnick, I can't tell which, says you can also use a DL if you're adept at it. One thing I really like about Leech's presentation: he blows on the cards twice. The first time is to explain that his breath his so hot that he turned a card red. (I'd add something about all the hot air I'm always emitting.) The second time, he blows on the now-red card *in order to change the card to the second selection.* This last is the part I like. It gives a reason to look at the red card again. I always thought it was a bit lame to not find a second red card in the deck, and then point to the original red card and say, "well *here's" a red card!" So I owe you a thank you, Steve, for calling my attention to the name of Leech's trick! |
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Pop Haydn Inner circle Los Angeles 3691 Posts |
The Chicago Surprise:
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Bob G Inner circle 2830 Posts |
Thanks, Pop! Kind of you to respond to my rather old -- but still relevant -- thread. I bought your interesting e-book about your Chicago Surprise a year or more ago, read it, and haven't looked at it recently. It felt overwhelming at the time, but I'll take a second look, having studied and played with magic for another year.
Much of my difficulty seems to be a simple fear of performing, something that I'm going to try to break this July by setting up a card table in our front yard at our annual street-wide yard sale, and having a few simple tricks ready to show interested people. People keep telling me to just "get busted" -- perform Chicago Opener (or even Surprise) dozens of times, mess up a few DL's, and find out that the world doesn't end -- in fact, magic as an art doesn't even end! I'll look forward to watching your videos -- the character you've created is really fun. Best Regards, Bob |
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Pop Haydn Inner circle Los Angeles 3691 Posts |
The essential problem with the double lift is that if done the normal way, the magician shows a card and replaces it on top of the pack, only to pick it up again. This is handled best by "Calling the Card Face Down." This slurs the moment of agreement to the end of the action so that the spectator doesn't have a chance to agree to the identity of the card until the card is face down on the table. Instead of agreeing that the faceup card is the chosen card, they mentally agree only as it is placed face down on the table.
I never use Eddie's Toss Change, though it is brilliant, because I want the card to be in the hand of the spectator assistant when it changes. |
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Bob G Inner circle 2830 Posts |
Yes, I've worried about the unmotivated placement of the card back on the deck. I'll reread your book with your post in mind.
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HeronsHorse Loyal user Scotland 207 Posts |
Bob, you're confusing me. You said you could wait a year for the dl to be good... But Dana gave you a great (intense!) practice regime that would get you doing it much sooner. My advice is to just do what she suggested. It is a scary move, I know, but believe me, it becomes second nature quite fast if you just do it. A lot.
Every time you pick the cards up do at least 50. Then, when you're relaxing, watching tv, whatever.. sit and do more. Then do 20 just as you sit in bed before sleep,(I sit and grab the deck by the bedside and fire off about 20 doubles every night.. and same in the morning). Anyway, please please look here. I think it might help. http://www.worldmagiccenter.com/MAGIC2/d......aaab.htm Watch all of the videos. If they don't play, right click and save them to download then watch them on your pc, tablet, phone. If that isn't possible, left click them But watch them and read, cos it's a nice summary of some of the huge variety of options for this move. Al Schneider will be overjoyed You WILL get it! Good luck!
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Those who think that magic consists of doing tricks are strangers to magic. Tricks are only the crude residue from which the lifeblood of magic has been drained." - S.H. Sharpe |
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HeronsHorse Loyal user Scotland 207 Posts |
Oops sorry, I fired off my comment before reading page 4 and missed that Pop had said what he said and your response. Still, if you feel the need, check that link.
Good luck mate!
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Bob G Inner circle 2830 Posts |
Thanks, Heron's Horse. That was a long time ago, and I've practiced a strike DL many, many times. It's actually pretty good now, but still not as consistent as I like: I *usually* turn over the right number of cards. (Dana's advice was good, as usual.)
I've also started to work on getting a break under* one* card so as to do CO as shown by Michael Ammar on one of his "easy to master disks." I have a pretty good pinky count, but the pushover technique for getting a break is easier on my hand. The pushover is going to take some work, too. Anyway, I like Schneider's work and will look at his DL videos. Thanks for the idea. And you're reminding me to look at Chicago Surprise! |
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HeronsHorse Loyal user Scotland 207 Posts |
Ahhh that was October! I forget to check the dates.
Well I'm glad you've made some headway. Al's website certainly has some interesting stuff and the dl page I gave you gave me some great ideas, hopefully you too. The pushover is the one I do, when I don't just do the strike. I change it depending on a few things. First is how I'm feeling health-wise(Shaking doesn't help the strike double). But then, I can do the pushover of one card as you mentioned. Having just that simple get-ready is so helpful eh. I find that just getting a break, for anything,(pinky or ring finger) was a difficult move to master. Not many folk talk about that one, yet training the fingers takes time. I think it's such an important move, it took a lot of focused repetition to make it unnoticeable. The books usually just tell you where your finger goes but in practice it's worth more than that. There's also the matter of doing it invisibly, or not obviously I should say. Do you agree? Paul
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Those who think that magic consists of doing tricks are strangers to magic. Tricks are only the crude residue from which the lifeblood of magic has been drained." - S.H. Sharpe |
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Bob G Inner circle 2830 Posts |
Paul,
Getting a break isn't easy for me either. Aaron Fisher has some youtube videos and written material on the web about this. I think he calls it (in his usual dramatic fashion) the hardest move in card magic. I'm still working on breaks. Giobbi has some good tips about getting breaks for the double lift (and on misdirection for it) -- see the four-disk set that accompanies the first two volumes of Card College. (I think it's available as a download now.) Bob |
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Bob G Inner circle 2830 Posts |
Hi Pop,
I read the part of your book about "Calling the Card," and watched the two videos you posted above. I want to make sure I understand the method by which you take attention away from the switch. Is this correct?: You remove the d--ble to display it, bring it back to the deck, just for an instant, let it graze the top of the deck, and (somehow) during that instant, leave behind one card; then deal the other. Meanwhile the audience is distracted by the patter, and the breaking-up of the name of the card. At this point I still feel that Chicago Surprise is beyond me, but it struck me that for now I could use your "Calling the Card" in Chicago Opener (as opposed to Surprise) -- once I fully understand it! I'd be curious to hear your thoughts about all this. I love the business about your "trained eye." I laughed out loud, not something I usually do when I'm at my computer. Thanks, Bob |
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HeronsHorse Loyal user Scotland 207 Posts |
That made me laugh, Aaron Fisher being dramatic. Surely not? . I remember seeing that clip.
Thanks mate but I'm doing ok with it now. It just eluded me for a bit to start with. I didn't find much advice so I just sat there each evening sticking my finger in a card until it felt good ... That sounds so wrong So yeah, I can do it fine now. Even multiple breaks! Cheers Paul
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Bob G Inner circle 2830 Posts |
P. S. to Heron's: Sorry to hear about your health problems. Shaky hands must be unpleasant under all conditions, much less magical ones.
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HeronsHorse Loyal user Scotland 207 Posts |
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On Jan 15, 2019, Bob G wrote: Aah thanks buddy. Crohn's disease. The shaky hands is actually the least of the problems but the one that affects the magic a lot. Mind you, magic is what is saving me from the misery I used to rot in with the illness. It gave me back the passion I had lost for many years.. but I won't hijack this thread any more Thanks for the kind words. Paul
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Bob G Inner circle 2830 Posts |
Paul,
So sorry to hear about Crohn's. I had heard of it but had to look it up -- it sounds miserable indeed. I'm glad magic is offering you some solace. Bob |
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