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Signet Loyal user 257 Posts |
I have been playing around with rolling a coin in each hand simultaneously. The only bead I can get it is to count 123 in my head as I'm doing it. The coins are in the same spot in both hands. It's fun to play around. I don't know how people roll multiple coins in one hand. It takes all your concentration.
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tonsofquestions Inner circle 1807 Posts |
So, there are a few things I think about here.
First, you should be good at rolling each hand separately before doing them together. If you don't have to think about them too hard, it's much easier to do them together. Second, I'd work on one coin rolling down both hands, to get that going. Kainoa does it a lot in his Misers Dream (ish) routine, rolling in one hand, picking it up with the second, and then back to the first. Then, I'd work on doing two coins in each hand, opposite each other. So roll in one while it goes under the fingers in the other. And then switch. Both hands are doing something, but less rolling simultaneously. Finally, I'd work on doing them synchronized. It's a bit different from the previous step, but you're now used to doing something with both hands at once. Multiple coin rolls in one hand is hard. You have to work on isolating just specific muscles, which is a lot of practice. I never bothered. I even saw a video once of someone rolling two quarters in one hand ... in opposite directions - they cross paths, but because the quarters are smallish, it works out. Let's see if I can find it... yup, here it is: https://www.facebook.com/magicofkainoa/v......&theater Crazy! |
NicholasD Inner circle 1458 Posts |
I'm no superstar when it comes to coin rolling, but I can do it in both hands forward and backward. So, I do two things to give the appearance of more skill. First, I start with my right hand, then wait a beat before starting my left hand. So, they're not rolling perfectly synchronized. It sort of gives the appearance of more activity. Second, After a couple of rolls, I cross my hands at the wrists, which adds another interesting look.
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Signet Loyal user 257 Posts |
That video is wild! I can do each hand separately and from one hand to the other. I can't do it backwards. How do you get started learning backwards? Do you tilt the hand back toward yourself? It's so wierd to try it backwards, after you've been doing it forward. My hands will not co-operate. It's a darn good way to get your mind off your troubles. When you're rolling the coin, there's no room for anything else.
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Mb217 Inner circle 9530 Posts |
Funny, as a boy I couldn't seem to get the coin roll going, it would always drop off the back of my pinky. Of course later down the road I came to better understand the error of my ways, that the coin was never to go over the back of the pinky in the first place. The eventual discovery of this success soon made the move a staple of coin manipulation for me ever since.
I've incorporated it into an effect or two, and even came to do it in two hands well enough. I'm much better at it in my right hand, but I can do it in my left well enough that you would never know, mostly because my left hand seems to more so "mirror" the right hand actions when done together. If I just use my left hand, you could see the difference as to finesse. But for the brief period I use it (and I just did yesterday for some people while undergoing some PT) to catch people's attention, it works well. And doing it in both hands for a bit, just helps to draw them closer and make the smiles even bigger. I even got a cute little secondary move I do off it that shows a little more dexterity to it. *Hey, and that's a crazy video tons, of the coins going both ways on one hand. Man, just when you think you've just about gotten to the top of the stairs, there's always many more flights to go, with people running right by you.
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tonsofquestions Inner circle 1807 Posts |
First - I get absolutely no credit for that video - I certainly can't do it, and when I tried I failed miserably. I might work on it a little, but it seems far less useful as a flourish, and much more in the "I"m showing off now" category.
Signet: there are different schools of thought for how to hold your hand. Some people angle them down, which makes the roll simpler and faster (and allows Kainoa's "discrepancy" that he uses to great advantage), but also makes it harder to roll the other way. Tilting your hand back doesn't work so well aesthetically. Other folks keep their knuckles flat, which means you can do the coin roll either way, but requires more finesse rather than getting gravity to help. MB: As far as the pinky goes, you can actually get the coin to go half way over the pinky -it can be used to get extra "distance" if you're doing the forward-and-back kind of roll, rather than one in a particular direction. |
Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
One of my first "flourishes" with a coin (silver dollar) was the coin roll. I had met the late, C. Thomas MAGRUM, on November 18, 1946. His school show was marvelous. He did everything from split fans, to a "tip over" box which "produced a phenomenal load! Later, he showed me the "roll". I walked to school for several weeks, rolling that $. I mastered it.
A few old timers will remember WALTER GIBSON. I believe that Walter wrote more books on magic than anyone else. Walter was also the creator of THE SHADOW. The SHADOW was a very popular radio "detective" show, that in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, aired on Sunday afternoon. Lamont Cranston, the "hero" of Gibson's stories, was "the SHADOW", who through "knowledge gained in his travels in the "mystic East" had learned how to make himself invisible. At that period, I didn't know that Gibson was the creator. I certainly didn't know that Gibson was a magician! Then, one day, while looking over the latest paperback book rack in the drugstore, a title caught my eye. I don't remember the exact title, but it was an "annual" printing of about a half dozen SHADOW stories. I think it was 25 cents. I left the store, 25 cents "poorer". HOWEVER, it was one of the best "two bits" that I had ever spent! One of the SHADOW stories was about magicians! Gibson, in telling the story, "introduced" the characters. One of them was a manipulator. Gibson described the manipulator doing the coin roll WITH FOUR COINS, SIMULTANEOUSLY!!! Well, I was now challenged! It took "awhile", but I mastered it. Over the years, I had fun "dazzling" magicians with it. Sometime in the '80s, Johnny Ace Palmer, saw me do it. He wanted the "work". I showed him. A month or so later, he phoned to tell me that he could do it. Several years ago, he put out a video on coin flourishes. I do all the flourishes that I care to do. As far as I know, he never gave me any credit for showing him the 4 coin roll. I can't even do it anymore. With age, some "things" get "lost".
SNEAKY, UNDERHANDED, DEVIOUS,& SURREPTITIOUS ITINERANT MOUNTEBANK
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Mb217 Inner circle 9530 Posts |
Well, I’m sure glad you’re not “lost” Dick...without your wonderful recollections as to times, people and magic here on the Café, we would all be poorer indeed.
And not only “The Shadow Knows,” but I always look forward to your sharing. 😊
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top_illusionist Regular user USA 146 Posts |
Jeff McBride does some awesome coin rolls with both hands too. If you ever meet him in person, make sure to ask him to show you.
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Signet Loyal user 257 Posts |
I enjoy hearing the stories of how you guys got into coin rolling. I got started with it in May of 2017. I had been trying to learn with little success. On May 12th, my father had a stroke. He couldn't move his right side for six hours, but thank God, it came back. I was beside myself in the hospital. I sat there praying and I felt like I would jump out of my skin. I had an Ike coin in my pocket. I began to roll the coin in my left hand. The right Hand placed under to catch the coin when I dropped it. I dropped it over and over, but somehow, this action calmed my nerves. It was therapy for me. He spent a week in the hospital and two weeks in rehab. By the time he came home, I could do the roll fairly well.
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Mb217 Inner circle 9530 Posts |
Glad your dad was OK, that's some pretty powerful magic in itself.
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Signet Loyal user 257 Posts |
He still has weakness in the right foot. He went from using a walker to a wheelchair, but overall things worked out. You hear a lot of bad stories about the drug Xeralto. The doctor told me that's what kept his stroke from being permanent. Coins have helped me through a great deal.
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Mb217 Inner circle 9530 Posts |
I recently went through some stuff myself, and coins helped me through a bit of it as well...actually coins and cards. There's real magic in them for sure.
Tell your dad, one step at a time... you guys "Keep Moving Forward!"
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