On Sep 26, 2018, Senor Fabuloso wrote:

But even if we were to accept Arthur Ford as a personified medium able to contact spirits, why hasn't there been any legitimately testable mediums since his death in 1971.

On Sep 26, 2018, Senor Fabuloso wrote:
Arthur Ford was never validated. From Wikipedia, Following her husband's death in 1926, Bess Houdini began attending seances conducted by Ford. Author Andrew Lycett suggests that Arthur Conan Doyle encouraged a "vulnerable" Bess to believe Ford's claims that he could contact the dead in order "to win an important victory for Spiritualism".[5] In 1928, Ford claimed he was able to contact Harry Houdini's deceased mother via his spirit guide "Fletcher." A year later, he claimed to contact the deceased Houdini himself and relay the full text of a secret message Houdini proposed to convey to Bess after his death. Bess initially endorsed Ford's claims, but later repudiated them.[6] Authors William Kalush and Larry Sloman speculate that Bess Houdini was initially supportive of Ford's claims due to the effects of alcoholism, and that she had romantic feelings for Ford. Others such as Milbourne Christopher speculate that the text of the message used a private code between Houdini and his wife that could have easily been broken by Ford or his associates using a number of existing clues.

The magician Bob Couttie has noted that others had known the message so it was not secure.[10] According to skeptical investigator Gordon Stein the "secret" code had actually been previously published in a book on page 105 of Harold Kellock's biography Houdini: His Life Story and it was likely Ford had read it. It was alleged by witnesses that Ford told the journalist Rea Jaure at her apartment that Bess had given him the code.[11] However, Ford denied the allegation and stated that he had been "impersonated" at Rea Jaure's apartment by a paid imposter.

But even if we were to accept Arthur Ford as a personified medium able to contact spirits, why hasn't there been any legitimately testable mediums since his death in 1971. Would in not be reasonable to assume that he would have made himself available for "changeling" all these many years? Also why no answer to my question as to , if the dear departed had messeges for us from the great beyond, why not communicate with us directly?

Having said all this it may seem strange that I would believe in the birth of my God from a virgin mother who died but was reborn. Yes I agree not very logical but He's gotten me through many a time when I should have died and it's just my belief. It's doesn't have to be logical. Of course one could argue that the "spiritualist movement" could claim the same or could they? I've never heard a medium say that the spirits saved them from death.

On Sep 27, 2018, Senor Fabuloso wrote:
Given what we know about how the so called "scientific community" and how it can be fooled (see Banacheck for examples) I don't put much credence in these so called validations. You and others, still haven't answer the basic question of why if contact is possible, would not those who passed contact those they want to speak to, directly WITHOUT a so called medium?

On Sep 28, 2018, mindmagic wrote:
There's a very simple answer to your very simple question. Any transmitter needs a receiver to send information.
Not everyone is "sensitive" enough to be able to receive communications without the use of the known senses, including all forms of ESP and possible messages from those on the other side (I say possible because ESP can never be entirely excluded). I can't do it, but I've personally known others who can.

On Sep 28, 2018, Senor Fabuloso wrote:
Slim, the first part of my post is from Wikipedia. If you have issue with it? Your free to go and change it. How about you answer the main question, I keep posting instead?

On Sep 29, 2018, Senor Fabuloso wrote:
Your right Patrick. I would need verifiable proof of mediums claims to contact the dear departed. I KNOW that spirits exist and that haunting can possess people, places and things but many have seen and experience spirits WITHOUT the help of a so called medium. That's my only point in this thread. That a medium in not needed for contact.