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GreenKnight33 Regular user 151 Posts |
Thanks! Very helpful!
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DavidKenney Inner circle 2178 Posts |
Phoenix are traditionally cut? Card Shark said in a post back in 2014 *
"I stopped calling it a punch face up or face down, my contracts now say punching through the backs or punching through the faces. The Richard Turner Decks are punched through the faces, the Phoenix Decks are punched through the backs. For a while we had them the other way round, but for the majority of magicians, the punching through the backs is the way to go as this is how they learned their Faro shuffles. I only know a handful of skillful magicians who do table faros, and for those we still have Phoenix punched through the faces..." So at least as of back in 2014 Phoenix decks are just standard Q1 decks printed from USPCC on retail stock like any other deck printed from Illusionist or Theory 11 If you want a traditionally cut deck - Gold Standards are the way to go * http://themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic......start=30 |
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Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
I can confirm this at least here in the US. Phoenix cards are punched to accommodate top-down faros, which is why I love using them. They always work well straight out of the box.
Steven Keyl - The Human Whisperer!
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SvenSigma Regular user Germany 151 Posts |
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On Aug 18, 2016, Steven Keyl wrote: I learned Faros from Michael Close's tutorial that he sells on his home page, going bottom-up and with Bicycle decks. After switching to Phoenix, I stuck to bottom-up for a while. Worked ok, at least as good as the Bicycles I used. Once I realized that top-down is better with Phoenix it took me about five tries to switch. So they actually work well in both directions. Sometimes when I am very relaxed, my Phoenixes even Faro bottom-up and top-down in one(!) single move and the weave works perfectly...
It takes a baby in the belly six months to learn how to put the thumb in the mouth.
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Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
I've noticed that as well. I don't fully understand the production processes involved, and it certainly may be my imagination, but it does feel like the Phoenix cards faro better "against the grain" than regular bikes.
Steven Keyl - The Human Whisperer!
B2B Magazine Test! Best impromptu progressive Ace Assembly ever! "If you ever find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause, and reflect." --Mark Twain |
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Kyoki_Sanitys_Eclipse Inner circle 1513 Posts |
This is why I switched to turners
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pepka Inner circle Uh, I'm the one on the right. 5041 Posts |
Turners and Aristocrats....100%.
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DavidKenney Inner circle 2178 Posts |
Richard Turners are 3.75 at Penguin - they have the classic bike look and classic tuck case - strong Casino Bee stock and they are recognized world wide - there simply is no better deck
If you want an awesome Bee or Rider back deck but with a "standard cut" then I suggest the Titanium Editions at Theory 11 Once you handle either of those two decks you'll be spoiled for quality and never look back |
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MrSlaybury New user 8 Posts |
I know this post is quite old, but maybe someone will still read it (heck, I did!).
I became obsessed with the in the hands Faro, and wouldn't stop until I can perfectly weave the deck 100% of the time. Recently, I began practicing the tabled Faro. I don't usually use borderless cards, but I opened a pack of off-the-shelf Bees and to my surprise they faro like a traditionally cut deck. Perhaps it's just my inexperience with Bees, or the batch I have were accidentally flipped over before cutting...I really don't know. I came to the Café looking to see if ALL bees are TC and I didn't know, or if it's just an odd batch. I can't seem to find an answer anywhere, but I have a couple more decks of Bees I bought at the same time, and perhaps they all handle like this. Printed in week 48 of 2015. My in-the-hands Faro technique is structured around starting the weave at the back of the cards, so a traditionally cut deck wasn't anything special for me until now. These Bees are quite nice! Edit: My favorite deck, the deck I use most of the time, are the Black Fan Backs produced by Murphy's. These faro very smoothly in both directions, at least for me. Definitely a..ahem...big Fan of them. |
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cfirwin3 Loyal user Rochester, New York 233 Posts |
In the video mentioned by the OP by Jason England (who's videos should be bought, watched and studied... in my opinion) Jason suggests that 'most' Bee decks are indeed traditionally cut. I have found this to be true... and I'm not sure that I have ever come across one that isn't. I also recently purchased a 12 deck brick of 2011 limited run Arrco playing cards on ebay (beautiful ornate bordered back that I hope they print again soon) and they appear to be cut in the Bee casino stock with a traditional cut as well. Unless you need borders, a deck of common Bee Club Special No.92 at your local pharmacy should get you what you want for the table faro (most of the time). And you should know right away by comparing a face up vs. a face down faro soon out of the box.
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