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I just wanted to say this is one of those tricks I am getting a kick out of practicing. I haven't had the guts to perform for audience yet but I'm getting closer. I bought mine from Magic Warehouse. I understand you can also get it directly from John Cornelius as well. If by chance you haven't seen effect before, I posted a video at http://www24.brinkster.com/michb/videos/ (kinda blurry sorry)

-Mike

(if you happen to like juggling you can see a couple quick juggling clips at above link as well)
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The effect was good enough for Doug Henning to use as the opener to one of his specials. If your angles are covered, it's a great effect, but that's a big "if."

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That was his very FIRST special, BTW! First effect of his first special. that's quite an honor.

As I recall, he expanded the effect by ending it with the production of a giant coin. Am I correct, Larry?

I purchased the effect YEARS ago, and enjoyed performing it on ocassion, however, there were times when I got cold feet, because it was dificult to accurately control the traveling path of the coin when the hand was turned over. Of course, as you know, if you don't do it PERFECTLY, there will be a visual flash of the nickel as it goes over the edge of your hand.

Then there was also the possibility of the t****d breaking, thus spilling the "nickel" noisily to the floor. And with my luck, murphy's law would kick in, and it would even land with the "bad side" up, thus exposing the effect even more.

Also, a lot of times, when the effect was set up and ready to go, as you know the t****d hangs loosely against your clothes, and it would often get snagged on some part of my clothes, and being in****ble t****d, I would not know this until I attempted the effect, but by then it is too late, and one is exposed to great embarrasment.

Even with all that negative stuff I just mentioned, I STILL think it's a great effect when performed smoothly as Doug did on that historical day when his television career commenced.

Too bad he let the Guru talk him out of a career rife with possibilities for untold things. we will never know what he might have gone on to accomplish had that not happened.

As for the Yogi, well, I know it's not nice to say, but I really believe I hate that guy for what he did. The only Yogi I ever loved stole picnic baskets from Jellystone Park.

And the part that burns me is this: Henning met this twerp while on his way to a magic shop. Almost like the creep was lying in wait. Grrrrr! Boo to him! Him and all his idiotic "Verdic Lotus flyers." (Many of you will know what I am referring to here.)

Well, my rant is over. (I hope.) Or perhaps it is just beginning....
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On 2005-02-03 20:22, daffydoug wrote:
As I recall, he expanded the effect by ending it with the production of a giant coin. Am I correct, Larry?


Your memory's better than mine on that one. I only recall the Fickle Nickle effect, but I was so blown away by it that I probably wouldn't have remembered anything he did that followed that.
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It blew me away, also. I vividly remember thinking "Where the h**l did the nickel go? He REALLY made it vanish! He's showing his wide open hand on BOTH sides, and it is NOT there! Holy crap!"

It just looked so clean to me at the time that I felt that WONDER that Doug so delighted in giving to others. As a young magician at the time, I felt real magic in my soul upon seeing his performance of the Fickle Nickle..
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I still don't have the fickle nickle. I have the raven, etc... but I don't know the handling... trade? just kiddin... I guess I can pick it up for a few bucks somewhere.
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Did you mean you didn't know the handling on the Raven or the nickle effect?
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I agree that this is a great effect, I first learned it from a M. Ammar Classic Renditions tape where J Cornelius teaches it.

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Have you got to use it regularly? Have you found a way to overcome the inheritant problems of the effect?
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Someone had a thread a while back about tricks that fool yourself while doing them. This is one of them for me.

I have convinced myself that yes it is possible to perform the effect consistently. For a while I thought it might be one that you might never be able to count on.

I've also just had a thought that you could set it up by doing a couple quickie vanishes, ie. a retention vanish, a squeeze vanish or maybe coin thru hand....then as a kicker do the fickle nickel vanish - a mini routine.
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Mike that's a great idea. You said you had convinced your self that it is possible to do the effect consistaently. with that in mind, may I toss a couple questions at ya'?

1 Did you previously have trouble doing it consistently? What specific problems did you encounter?

2 Have you actually had the experience, now, of seing yourself truly perform it correctly and consistently?
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Daffy you are right he changed the nickel into a giant coin then took the coin and put it into a Juke box which was shown empty and then produced his "co host" Bill Cosby. One of the most anticipated Magic Specials of its time.

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I have not done the fickle nickle for years. It is a great effect. The angles are tricky. I may have to go find mine and get to work.
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On 2005-02-10 14:48, Scott Imler wrote:
Daffy you are right he changed the nickel into a giant coin then took the coin and put it into a Juke box which was shown empty and then produced his "co host" Bill Cosby. One of the most anticipated Magic Specials of its time.

Scott


Scott,

You must have been around as long as I have!!
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He did change it to a big coin, but does anyone remember that if you looked closely you could actually see the thread attachment? It was live TV.
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Greg, you must have had either better eyes or a better T.V. than I had. Smile
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If you look directly behind his arm you can see it. If I remember correctly there was kind of a half shadow caused by either his body or arm and somewhere in that area you can see it. I wonder if anyone has a copy of that on VHS... I'd like to know if my memory is correct on this one.
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I believe this is similar to "Now U-C It Now U-Don't"
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I just wanted to say that MichaelB's video is just gorgeous. I've watched it several times and just love how it looks. (Nice juggling, too!)

I've actually had this trick sitting on my bedside table for about a month as I've been meaning to play with it, so that's a bit of a cooincidence for me. I'm gonna HAVE to play with it now.
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It took me a long time to master this trick. I took a break and went back to it again and got it in one day.

I have sweaty hands, so I had problems with the gimmick. Solution - powder.

This can't be done surrounded and it is really, I think, good for T.V. appearances.
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I bought this at a very young age and loved it. The nickel that came with the effect was not s***d so there was no worry of any t****d breaking. There are angle worries but to be honest, it is not a problem if the people are in front of you. Just step back a little and you will be okay. There are some effects that stun, or puzzle or mystify. This does all of the above.



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Its the fact that you are cleanly showing front and back of your open hand that kills. a person thinks: "Where the hell is the coin? It's REALLY gone!"

That's what I thought when I first saw Doug perform this. it literally leaves no place for the mind to run.
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My initial problems were twisting/flipping of coin and timing the move with its angles sensitivity. What I've landed on after playing with it is to never let coin lose contact with hand during turning. It just slides. This addresses twisting/flipping issue and gives you better feel for angles/timing. On reappearance it hangs loose momentarily but if hand steady no spinning.

I expect to have opportunity to perform for live audiences in upcoming weeks/months so I'll find out soon enough how it will hold up.

In juggling, some of the top jugglers say that if you intend to perform a certain trick for say 6 catches during a performance you shouldn't attempt it in performance until you can perform it in practice for 12 catches (double desired number) 10 times in a row perfectly. I've kind of taken to applying that to magic sleights in some cases and with a trick like this where you either nail it or you don't I think it is kind of similar. Much like a drop in juggling if you drop this it has a chance to be a bad drop.
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That was a very imformative post. I do believe I learned something from reading it! This is an effect where perfection counts.
It is also a perfect vehicle for Dug Hennings favorite quote: "The dificult must become easy, the easy must become habit, and the habit must become beautiful!"

Yup, Doug really said that, and it appears from this that he lived it!
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John Cornelius onlineshop:
http://www.johncornelius.com/magic.html
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HN Magic Review 112: Fickle Nickel – John Cornelius/ Ronnie Gann

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John Cornelius - Ronnie Gann
As SEEN ON Doug HENNING MAGIC SPECIAL

This one you are just not going to believe! And why not? Because most of you saw it performed on one of the Doug Henning specials, and just didn’t believe it then! Why not? Because in its simplicity, and its apparent impossibility, the effect comes closer to real magic than anything you are likely to see, or show to your audiences, for many long months to come. The simple, but absolutely mind-blowing effect is that a nickel held at arms length in one hand, with both sleeves rolled up, disappears completely from that hand, and then without a false move, reappears again. The step-by-step process, with no omissions, is as follows: the magician puts his right hand in his right pants pocket and pulls out a nickel, which he shows to the audience, as his left hand firmly holds the bare right wrist, keeping it steady so that the coin may be carefully noted by the spectators. The right hand then places the nickel in the upturned left palm, following which the left hand is held out towards the left, and the left little finger, ring finger, second finger, forefinger, and thumb, slowly close in turn over the coin. The closed left fist is then turned to show the audience the back of the left - hand.

The left hand, still closed, then moves slowly to the left, and is rotated so the audience may again see the left fingers closed over the palm, after which the fingers are slowly opened wide, in the same sequence that they closed, and the left hand is shown to be completely empty. Next, the left hand, with the fingers spread wide apart, is slowly turned so that the audience may see the absolutely empty back of the left hand.

Then, to make sure that the audience has had every chance to observe the hand carefully from both sides, the empty palm, and the empty back of the hand are again shown in turn to the spectators. The fingers of the left hand are then closed; the closed left palm shown carefully to the audience, and the hand is slowly opened to show that the coin has mysteriously returned to the palm. The coin is allowed to drop to the left fingertips, which grasp it, and toss it into the right hand, which returns it to the right pants pocket.

Elementary in its straightforwardness? You can’t believe it! Undetectable as to what actually happened to the coin? Yes. You know how unblinking the television camera is as it stares at the hand, bathed in brilliant studio light. Necessary to rehearse the presentation a bit? Of course. But if you want a miracle, here you have it. No one truly interested in brilliant magical concepts should be without this one. And you can do it!


REVIEW:

A good coin trick: even if the angles are quite restrictive and the coin must be very small, it is a very visual effect in the right conditions, and technically easy to perform.

Still, do NOT purchase it: the effect is described in much more details in Michael Ammar’s “Classic Renditions Vol. 2” video/DVD, along with a live performance by John Cornelius himself and 3 classic rubber bands tricks.

You don’t need to buy the gimmicked coin (by the way you may already have it!), because the ingenious method works with real coins (any currency) if they are small enough.

OVERALL RATING: Good

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I did this trick many years ago when thread was not as good as it is today, You can buy the gimmick today which is much stronger than years ago. I did the trick for a while with no problems and it was fun to do and to see.
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I only now have brought out Ammar Classic Rendition tape to look at this effect. I've known the methodology for some time, but haven't ever actually practiced it. (Which is of course the case with most things I own.) Anyhow, John doesn't go into the type of t****d to use. I wouldn't think it necessary to use IT, but I read a poster describe it as such. Is that recommended?
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I used to think this effect sucked. I'd perform it with the audience behind me and a mirror in front of me, just like I practiced it. It would fool me, but they could see everything. Live and learn.

Joey, IT is too fragile. Clear sewing thread, like with the "Haunted Bill" is used.
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Thanks, Chris. I assumed that would be the best call, but I saw people mentioning IT and got confused. Thanks for clarifying.
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