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waterford New user 54 Posts |
I would be grateful for any presentational ideas that members are willing to share or suggest for this wonderful trick. I've worked on the handling (right kind of paper, timing for steal of the gimmick, etc.)but am not satisfied with any of the presentational ideas I've come up with so far. I'm not comfortable with the "memory test" theme included in the instructions and the variation on that theme in David Ginn's book (Professional Magic for Children). I'm sure this works for many others, but it seems yet another variation on the "I'm smarter than you" theme that I'm just not comfortable with -- as opposed to a story line or theme that gives some meaning to the props and what you are doing with them. I would appreciate any suggestions or comments from those who are familiar with or have experience with this great piece of magic.
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Jimmy Joza Special user New York City 760 Posts |
This is one my favorite silk effects! I absolutely love it. I have not seen anyone do this out my way although there may be some who do. So I am glad there are others out there who are doing this effect.
I don't know what your audience will be so it is a little hard to respond in a more direct manner. When I have used this with kids, I use a story about a rainbow. As I begin to tell the story I ask children what colors make up a rainbow...... Then when I get towards the end I have my two volunteers each take the paper tube and "mix up" the colors." And with adults, I do use the memory test but then I turn back on myself --- i.e., I got it wrong. Then I can either revolve the paper tube so the "correct" colors point to the respective volunteers who named that particular color. Or I can move the volunteers to make it "right." I also have the two adult volunteers (usually two women) take turns holding the paper tube and "stir up the pot" so to speak. I expect to be doing this to music in a couple of weeks and I'll see how it turns out just done to music. I am working on picking out a song for and on the timing of this effect. I am not sure if this really helped you. I would say keep visualizing the effect in your mind and write down adjective, thoughts, reactions, and images to it. Perhaps that will help with a storyline that you are trying to come up with for this effect. This is a wonderful effect and I hope that you do come with something to make it your own. Jimmy
"Those who simply walk in others' tracks leave no footprints."
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waterford New user 54 Posts |
Many thanks Jimmy. Your rainbow theme gives me something to start my thinking. It's apparent you've had a lot of experience with this trick, and I appreciate you sharing your ideas. I'm anxious to work it in. I can't think of a better example of "packs small, plays big", and I assume you have found that audiences respond well to it.
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Jimmy Joza Special user New York City 760 Posts |
Kids love this effect. And you will also hear some "Ooh's" and "Aah's" from adults as well. As an alternative you can produce the same long silk streamer (25-ft, 50-ft, or 100-ft) from a can of Coca Cola like Paul Diamond. One way I am planning to do this is by showing a liter bottle of Coke (Coke with Vanishing Tube) and then the bottle vanishes. In it's place is a can of Coca Cola and you cover that with an empty tube and you produce the long streamer. You hold up the tube and the can has vanished as well. This way you use the same streamer and change the effect. Have fun with this.
Jimmy
"Those who simply walk in others' tracks leave no footprints."
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waterford New user 54 Posts |
One other question Jimmy. Do you find it is effective to show the tube empty with the "over their line of sight" and "under their line of sight" method, as suggested in the instructions that come with the trick?
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
Jimmy,
That's a great routine! I use the Coke trick to end a set. After the Coke vanishes, I let them catch me with something in the tube. When I pull it out, I explain it is just as I told them. "This is The End". (It is a "The End" silk and the tube is now empty!) When you live as close to Atlanta as I do, Coca-Cola easily fits into an act! Bob Magic By Sander |
Jimmy Joza Special user New York City 760 Posts |
Hi, Bob! Thanks for the compliment. That's a nice way of ending your act or routine. One question: would they allow you in Atlanta with Pepsi? The great home of Coca Cola --- well, as a kid I preferred Pepsi and now, for some reason, I prefer Coke. So, I guess I don't have to worry about visiting Atlanta.
As far as your question, Waterford, I don't really make a big deal of showing the tube empty prior to the final production. I do think I have come to do the "over their line of sight" and "under their line of sight" method to show the tube by semi-rotating the tube using a paddle move. I do show both ends of the tube. I use a two-foot long, 18-inch wide section of contact paper that is rolled into a tube. I pull out four or five 18" diamond cut silks, one at a time (they are tied to each other in a way that as one is pulled out the corner of the next one is sticking out of the tube), followed by a 24" or 36" silk --- what else could fit in the paper tube? So the audience never really questions that. That is a great thing about silk. I place the 24" silk in my jacket pocket and then tie it around the paper tube after I place the diamond cut silks back in the tube. Again, what else could fit in the paper tube? That is what makes this effect so magical! Jimmy
"Those who simply walk in others' tracks leave no footprints."
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waterford New user 54 Posts |
Thanks again, Jimmy. Great ideas, tips, and advice.
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
Jimmy,
When it comes to the Pepsi and Coke brand questions, Southerners put it to a simple test. No one ever heard of bourbon and Pepsi! As Jim Wilder, Dan Garrett, David Ginn and some of the others from down here will tell you, Coke is the generic term for any soft drink. They may ask if you want a Coke and hand you a Sprit! Welcome to Southern logic! Bob Magic By Sander |
hugmagic Inner circle 7655 Posts |
I might add a tip that Tommy Windsor used. He always add the sponsor's name written on the inside of the paper. He also carried a 12' and 24' streamer so if the stage area was not so large he could use the 12'.
I have made some streamers up that have a section of solid red at one end and solid blue at the other. You ask the kids if they remember was went in first and last. Pulling out the ends from each end of the tube gives the appearance that nothing has happened. Then you reveal the rainbow streamer. As for getting rid of a gimmick, place a folded up towel for padding to kill any sound in a box, hat or table. As you move to get the last silk to tie the outside, you can move the tube over the area and let the gimmick slide out.
Richard E. Hughes, Hughes Magic Inc., 352 N. Prospect St., Ravenna, OH 44266 (330)296-4023
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waterford New user 54 Posts |
Thanks Richard. I appreciate your advice and also some insight into how Tommy Windsor did the effect. A lot of good ideas for me to work with.
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Paul G New user 76 Posts |
I have a 25' or 50' P&A streamer (can't remember exactly which one) and many different square silks, will one of the Al Baker dye tubes be all I need to perform this effect, in addition to the routine?
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Jimmy Joza Special user New York City 760 Posts |
It all depends on the size and number of silks you use. I like using 18" diamond cut silks (4 or 5 of them) and they easily fit in the tube that I bought from Abbott's for $10. These will also fit in a Joe Porper dye tube. I don't like using anything smaller than an 18" diamond cut or full-size silk. Plus I like using a 24" silks as the last silk that is removed from the paper tube. So again, it depends on whether or not the silks you intend to use will fit in your dye tube. If they do then the answer to your question is: YES, that is all that you will need besides the paper tube and streamer.
Jimmy
"Those who simply walk in others' tracks leave no footprints."
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ufo Inner circle Phoenix, Arizona 1185 Posts |
Marty Hahne of Dazzling Magic does a nice version of "Duke's". You might check the website to see if he sells the routine in book or video form.
-Ed
"What's your drug?" she asked. "Hope" he said, "The most addicting one of all."
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Paul G New user 76 Posts |
I have a 6"x50' P&A streamer, will this work for this routine or is a 12" wide streamer better? I'm just wondering if I need to buy the whole kit from Abbotts (which includes a 12"x24' streamer) or just the routine and gimmick. How do Abbott's silks compare to P&A, Silkking and others? This would be for parlour routines, so I'm wondering if my streamer would require an uncomfortably large dye tube for my purposes. Better to just go with the Abbotts streamer?
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Jimmy Joza Special user New York City 760 Posts |
You have a nice streamer there, Paul. I have a 12" x 25' streamer from Silk King Studios. (I will be getting the 50' very soon.) You only need to get the routine and gimmick from Abbott's, which should only run you about a total of $15-20 (without shipping and handling). You can use whatever 4 or 5 smaller silks (12" to 15") you want --- whioch is what you would need the Abbott's g*****k for. Don't worry about the size of your streamer as far as loading purposes since my SKS streamer and a 12-inch by 35-foot streamer I have fit fine. You just have to worry about the parlour size and whether or not the length of your streamer is manageable for that size parlour.
Jimmy
"Those who simply walk in others' tracks leave no footprints."
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Paul G New user 76 Posts |
Thanks, Jimmy.
I suppose I need to make sure that two of my smaller silks match the ends of my P&A streamer, right? Is a 12" wide streamer better for this routine than a 6" wide, or it basically doesn't matter? Thanks, Paul Posted: May 25, 2005 7:41am --------------------------------------------------------------------- I also have two 6"x6' P&A streamers that are perfect matches with my longer 50' P&A tie dye streamer. Would it make sense to use these instead of the 15" silks? Thereby the two smaller streamers would seem to blend and grow into a much larger one. Again, I don't have the routine yet, so I don't know if this is feasible or even desirable. |
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