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Juble
Veteran user
316 Posts
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Posted: Jul 16, 2005 8:54am
I've recently been experimenting with this revelation (from Expert @ the Card Table) but can't seem to get the card to flip over consistently...just wondering if anyone had any tips?
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PaulGreen
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Inner circle
1067 Posts
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Posted: Jul 16, 2005 9:33am
Hi,
I use this all the time. Practice is the key here. You must develop sense or touch that will provide the results you wish. Instead of letting gravity provide the motivation, I have found that if you give the packet a gentle push, the card will turnover more consistently. Once you have the knack, you will find success.
BTW, learn to do it with both hands for double reveals.
Enjoy the search!
Regards,
Paul Green
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BillWheeler
New user
Naperville, IL
80 Posts
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Posted: Jul 16, 2005 1:43pm
Its been a while since I've done that revelation, but I had a lot of success with it holding a verdnase break under the top card.
The double reveals idea is a pretty good one, I'll have to try it out.
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magicmafia22
Regular user
110 Posts
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Posted: Jul 16, 2005 4:01pm
I've been having a lot of truble with this trick also and still cand get the card to flip over correctly, it flips over sometimes but the other times the whole deck just scatters on the floor.
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Stanyon
Inner circle
Landrum, S.C. by way of Chicago
2902 Posts
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Posted: Jul 16, 2005 4:14pm
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On 2005-07-16 09:33, PaulGreen wrote:
Hi,
I use this all the time. Practice is the key here. You must develop sense or touch that will provide the results you wish. Instead of letting gravity provide the motivation, I have found that if you give the packet a gentle push, the card will turnover more consistently. Once you have the knack, you will find success.
BTW, learn to do it with both hands for double reveals.
Enjoy the search!
Regards,
Paul Green
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And that's all you need to know! Like how to get to Carnegie Hall. Practice, practice, practice!
Cheers! 
Stanyon
aka Steve Taylor
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Paul
Inner circle
A good lecturer at your service!
4219 Posts
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Posted: Jul 16, 2005 5:22pm
I found more consistant results with not so much as a drop but a gentle toss, with a distance of between ten to twelve inches. But it is something you get a feel for.
Paul.
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PaulGreen
Inner circle
1067 Posts
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Posted: Jul 16, 2005 5:24pm
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On 2005-07-16 17:22, Paul wrote:
I found more consistant results with not so much as a drop but a gentle toss, with a distance of between ten to twelve inches. But it is something you get a feel for.
Paul.
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Isn't that what I said?????
Regards,
Paul (another Paul) Green
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Paul D
Elite user
NY
455 Posts
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Posted: Jul 16, 2005 5:48pm
If you think (APT) is difficult try the Flippant Move by Looy Simonoff.
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SIX
Inner circle
New York City
1557 Posts
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Posted: Jul 16, 2005 6:31pm
Is that revalation that Richard Osterlind used on one of the MIND MYSTERIES VIDEOS?
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Paul
Inner circle
A good lecturer at your service!
4219 Posts
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Posted: Jul 16, 2005 7:21pm
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On 2005-07-16 17:24, PaulGreen wrote:
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On 2005-07-16 17:22, Paul wrote:
I found more consistant results with not so much as a drop but a gentle toss, with a distance of between ten to twelve inches. But it is something you get a feel for.
Paul.
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Isn't that what I said?????
Regards,
Paul (another Paul) Green
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Lol, now I went back and read yours again, yes it is! I must read your posts more carefully Paul, it will save me even more typing. 
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KidCrenshaw
Special user
USA
538 Posts
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Posted: Jul 17, 2005 12:16am
Maybe try grabbing the whole deck iun the biddle-gripo and toss it to the other hand about 10 times to get a feel for it. That should keep at least the deck from scattering on the floor.
As far as the revelation, just thumb the card over about an inch to the right, then toss it the same way you did when you were just practicing. At that point, the only way to become consistent is to just find the correct distance for the toss between your hands to get the revolution. It will be different for most everyone since you're not really relying on technical aspects as much as you are knackiness.
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BillWheeler
New user
Naperville, IL
80 Posts
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Posted: Jul 17, 2005 12:50am
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On 2005-07-16 18:31, SIX wrote:
Is that revalation that Richard Osterlind used on one of the MIND MYSTERIES VIDEOS?
SIX
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No, the one on the Mind Mysteries DVD is in one of Frank Garcia's books.
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Ryan Matney
Regular user
191 Posts
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Posted: Jul 18, 2005 12:07pm
Also experiement with the amount of card that's pushed over. I usually have to push it over about half the width while some people seem to be able to get it much smaller.
The surface you drop the deck on matters too. Hard and flat is better.
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Erik J
Elite user
Sweden
416 Posts
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Posted: Jul 18, 2005 12:12pm
Where in Expert at the Card table is it? Can't find it, which page?
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Juble
Veteran user
316 Posts
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Posted: Jul 18, 2005 2:27pm
Thanks guys for the feedback...I'm going to keep practicing it, I'm slowly getting there and can get it to work about 50% of the time using a very gentle pushing action and pushing the card over about 2/3rds of an inch (Erdnase recommends about 1/2). I can't remember the page no but it comes under the methods for favourite ways to terminate tricks.
Cheers again all.
Justin
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BillWheeler
New user
Naperville, IL
80 Posts
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Posted: Jul 18, 2005 2:47pm
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On 2005-07-18 12:12, DeFlare wrote:
Where in Expert at the Card table is it? Can't find it, which page?
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108 of the Dover edition. Its called "The Revolution"
Hope this helps,
Bill
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porcupine
Regular user
Toronto
195 Posts
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Posted: Jul 18, 2005 8:38pm
Marlo has some advice regarding this move to make it sure-fire. I've found it to be a very reliable solution personally. Basically, before you do the move, in a continous motion, push the top card over and clip it between your right third and fourth fingers as in the clip steal, then, with the card slightly sidejogged, drop it and let go of the clipped card at the same time, and it should turn over as per erdnase.
Cheers
Ted
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nooget
New user
Albuquerque, NM
1 Post
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Posted: Jul 18, 2005 11:06pm
I know people have mentioned it already, but the distance you push the card over seems to have the most effect for me. For me, less is more. About 1/2 an inch is perfect, any more and it goes off course or won't flip at all. Good luck.
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joblogg
New user
Sydney Australia
54 Posts
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Posted: Jul 19, 2005 1:30am
I find if I hold the pack in the left hand and push over the card with left thumb till it hits the first line on a pack of bicyles, while I cover that with the right hand in the act of gripping the cards and then just drop the pack onto the table it flips easily back onto the pack,the height depends on what works best for you.
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Erik J
Elite user
Sweden
416 Posts
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Posted: Jul 19, 2005 9:31am
Found it now, hmm, just tried it, worked 9/10 times, maybe luck?
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