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Memorized Breakthrough Card System (MBCS) by Richard Osterlind - Review
Bought mine from : http://www.osterlindmysteries.com/ Price : $10 as a downloadable e-book. Difficulty : This is a subjective view. The potential is immense. But there is a pay off, such that quite a bit of learning of words is required. After all, it is a memory system. So I’ll give it a 4/5 for preparation, and a 2/5 for use. They Say : The best of both worlds! For over 20 years, magicians and mentalists have been using the Breakthrough Card System with outstanding success. Now, with this new e-book and the help of Harry Lorayne and his wonderful memory systems, Richard Osterlind now divulges the exact method he uses to memorize his Breakthrough Card System. This e-book will enable you to memorize the system in just one evening! Now, you'll be able to perform all the wonderful effects possible with a memorized deck such as those by Tamariz, Aronson, Joyal, Nikola, etc., and still use your favorite card system! The advantages of having a deck that is both mathematical and memorized are obvious. A slight lapse in memory can be corrected by using the system you already know. No crib sheets are ever necessary. On the other hand, the mnemonic principles reinforce the basic secret of the Breakthrough Card System! You will find that, like Richard, your mind will combine both principles to give you lighting-like mastery of the deck! There is no mathematical stack as perfect as the Breakthrough Card System. It is, by far, the most random looking stack in existence and there's no better teacher of memory training than Harry Lorayne. His work in the field of mnemonics is legendary! It's an unbeatable combination - the best of both worlds! (Please note that this manuscript does not teach the Breakthrough Card System. It is an add-on tool for those already fascile with the system. I say : If you know the Breakthrough Card System (BCS), you know you are onto a good thing. The BCS is a method for divining a card in a stack. The very random looking, stack can be cut and false shuffled, but with a minor peek and quick calculation, you know a participants card value. Highly recommended. The MBCS adds the ability to know the card in the stack at a given position. So, if your participant chooses the number 33, you can count to that card, and reveal its value, before you show the card ! For your money you get, almost instantly, a 15 page downloaded PDF booklet, well produced, that describes the method. The divination of a card is cunning and VERY effective, but there’s no such thing as a free lunch, and you will need to invest time and effort to learn the ‘memory words’ used to support Richard’s system. The payoff however, is a strong one. The method is well presented and the text follows a logical flow. Hints, tips and helpers are provided, so this is probably as good as it gets. The rest is down to you, to learn and practise. So once you have learnt the system, all you need are your cards using the BCS method, and your brain. That’s it ! The final section of the e-book gives a couple of routines. In the examples they both use the deck set at a particular point. It would have been nice to include some thinking on how to work the system at any point, but with a little thought, this can be achieved. More routines would have made for interesting reading, but perhaps it’s best to let your imagination create routines to your personal liking ?! ( Note : For those unhappy with too much mental calculation, it would be easy to incorporate a writing pad into a routine, such that you could scribble your ‘thoughts’ as you determined the appropriate card ). Overall : The e-book is as clear and well set out as it can be. Combine the MBCS with Osterlind’s BCS, and prepare to amazed. You’ll amaze yourself and will dazzle others. Again, effort IS required, but the payoff is immense ! Rating : 9/10, because nothing is perfect. But if you are prepared to put in the time effort to ‘learn’ the method, this investment is probably as good as it gets, and all for $10 ! Piers. www.justgiving.com/piers-cancer-fund www.justgiving.com/Piers-Cancer-Fund-2 www.justgiving.com/Piers-Cancer-Fund-3 Finished my 4 months of Chemotherapy in 2009. 3 monthly checks since... and into 2021! As seen on the QE2 and QM2. Author of Salem's Cornucopia - SUC Book |
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ceeswing Regular user 121 Posts |
Thank for this review, It will be my next one.
Regards Cornelius France |
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snushy Veteran user 338 Posts |
I know this ground has been trod before, but here goes.
I am a huge Osterlind fan. I buy everything he puts out even if I know it's not likely to be something I will add to my repertoire because I never fail to learn something valuable from his thinking. That said, I believe that if someone is willing to put in the time and effort to memorize a stack, it makes no sense to memorize the BCS. The reason is that two of magic's finest thinkers, Simon Aronson and Juan Tamariz have both created brilliant memorized stacks which have the added benefit of containing additional powerhouse effects built right into them. The BCS doesn't have this feature. Since it takes the exact same amount of work to memorize any stack, and the vast majority of mem-deck material is stack-independent, why not memorize either Aronson or Tamariz? Just one man's opinion. L. Zaslow
YOU KNOW WHY YOU DON'T SEE? BECAUSE YOU DON'T WATCH! - SLYDINI
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Sapient Regular user 126 Posts |
$10 for anything from Osterlind is a good deal. I love the BCS, but have never done anything with memorized decks. Any advice on where to look for ideas or routines?
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snushy Veteran user 338 Posts |
I agree that $10 for anything from Osterlind is a steal. Even though I know the Aronson stack, I bought the memorized breakthrough card system for the reasons already stated.
Anything you can do with a cyclical stack (like Si Stebbins, or BCS), you can also do with a mem-deck. The reverse is not the case. Juan Tamariz's recent book "Mnemonica" has enough material to keep you busy for quite a while. Anything Simon Aronson has written contains some of the best thinking ever on mem-deck material. His most recent book "Try the Impossible" has a ton of material using his stack which do not require you to memorize it. This is the type of "built-into-the-stack" material to which I was referring. A good idea is to visit Simon Aronson's website. I beleive you can download a set of his lecture notes called "Memories are Made of This" which is a teriffic intro to mem-deck work, and teaches his stack. As I recall, the lecture notes are free. I'm no mathematician, but if that's the case, that's even less than $10!! L. Zaslow
YOU KNOW WHY YOU DON'T SEE? BECAUSE YOU DON'T WATCH! - SLYDINI
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Waters Inner circle 2508 Posts |
Sapient,
Check out any books by Simon Aronson, Juan Tamariz' Mnemonica, and the Joyal's 6 Hour Memorized Deck (Book) all have routines for use with memorized decks. Some of the routine will be specific to their stack, others will work with any memorized deck. Check out Martin Joyal's website for resources for memorized decks: http://www.joyalstack.com/ it is an excellent resource for history and uses of memorized decks. Enjoy. Sean |
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Sapient Regular user 126 Posts |
Thanks Sean.
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Avrakdavra Loyal user The Pine Tree State, USA 224 Posts |
Another excellent resource regarding memorized and sequential decks is by Doug Dyment:
http://www.deceptionary.com/aboutstacks.html |
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Bobby Forbes Inner circle virginia beach, VA. 1569 Posts |
Just learned the MBCS. It's the most powerful thing you can know with a deck of cards. Can't believe I didn't learn this earlier! Anybody thinking about getting this, don't think just get it. If you don't already know his BCS then get his Mind Mysteries dvd vol.#2 it shows you everthing you need to know on it. Besides knowing the BCS, memorizing it just opens up a whole new world of possibilites. Imagine someone calling out a number between 1 and 52, you write a prediction on a sheet of paper, and when the cards are dealt down to that number, your prediction is 100% correct!. WOW you cant get any stronger than that. Although there are other stacks out there, the added benefit of Osterlinds system is that if your memory fails, you have a backup system that you just cannot forget. The greatest thing to ever happen to card magic if you ask me!!!
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Greg Owen Special user 623 Posts |
"That said, I believe that if someone is willing to put in the time and effort to memorize a stack, it makes no sense to memorize the BCS."
I'm with you on this one. There are two options: Memorize a stack that offers effects such as the stacks noted above or memorize a stack that is designed to be easier to memorize and harder to forget. My memory is not very good so I choose the latter option. Also, FWIW, it is fairly easy to know the number position of every card in the Si Stebbins stack, even after the deck is cut. - Greg Owen
Author of The Alpha Stack ebook - the balanced memorized stack
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Brian Turntime Special user 671 Posts |
I've been setting up each and every deck I own, even the stripper decks, with BCS. I might use it for two or three effects in a row (challenge, Corinda effect, card in pocket), and then do another unrelated effect, such as OOTW (Galaxy style without Harris setup) with the stripper preset. You might think this a lot of work for a couple of effects, but familiarity with setting up BCS has gotten me to the point of having pretty much memorized the deck.
I don't know that I'd be able to do the count down, but having set it up repeatedly does make the other effects easier. It's becoming more automatic, and saves mental effort. I'll bet though that with practice I could just figure it out down or up to say, 20 cards without too much pause... and as said, making notes could help.
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espmagic Special user 978 Posts |
I hate to rain, but here goes:
The "average" layperson will think the deck is memorized, even when it isn't. Don't forget, these people are the ones who *don't* know the bazillion methods that we know, so they come up with the simplest explanation possible. For example: - here, sir, take this deck, and then call out any number from 1 to 52. 17? Ok, you count down to the 17th card, while I tell everyone that it is the X of X...and I am right? Of course... Now, what *other* solution could it be? The BCS is a great stack, for the simple reason it doesn't look like a stack. And Richard's work with it is amazing.But really, a memorized deck? Griping over, Lee |
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Bobby Forbes Inner circle virginia beach, VA. 1569 Posts |
[quote]On 2005-08-12 13:54, espmagic wrote:
I hate to rain, but here goes: The "average" layperson will think the deck is memorized, even when it isn't. Don't forget, these people are the ones who *don't* know the bazillion methods that we know, so they come up with the simplest explanation possible. For example: - here, sir, take this deck, and then call out any number from 1 to 52. 17? Ok, you count down to the 17th card, while I tell everyone that it is the X of X...and I am right? Of course... Now, what *other* solution could it be? The BCS is a great stack, for the simple reason it doesn't look like a stack. And Richard's work with it is amazing.But really, a memorized deck? Griping over, What??? Did you say the average layperson would think the cards are memorized?? To me I would think that the average lay person would think who would go through the trouble to memorize a deck of 52 cards. Saying that I don't think that would even cross anyone's mind. And to top it all of, who would think that if you throw in a couple false shuffles and let THEM cut the cards their selves.... Come on now. |
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snushy Veteran user 338 Posts |
Having a spectator name a number from 1 to 52, and then telling him what card lies at that number is the absolute worst and least imaginative thing you can do with a memorized deck.
The brilliant effects developed by the likes of Aronson and Tamriz leave spectators with no explanation if done properly. Expose yourself to the works of these thinkers and your magic will improve by leaps and bounds. L. Zaslow
YOU KNOW WHY YOU DON'T SEE? BECAUSE YOU DON'T WATCH! - SLYDINI
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Alexander Marsh Inner circle England 1191 Posts |
Unless your presenting the fact that you can memorize a deck of cards even after its been (false) shuffled and cut a few times.
To prove this fact you ask for a number between 1 - 52 and tell them the card at that number, and then they name a card and you tell them the number at which that card is. Then (!) just to show how usefull this skill really is, you play a quick game of Black Jack, intuiting the cards before they are even delt. Thank you Osterlind. And if the situation is right reveal how one can memorize telephone numbers, shoping lists etc. and how usefull that is, for them.
My stuff: AlexanderMarshMentalism.co.uk
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Airborne Ranger New user 68 Posts |
Quote:
On 2005-08-12 13:54, espmagic wrote: Nothing a false shuffle and a few false cuts couldn't cure. |
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Richard Osterlind V.I.P. 2213 Posts |
Hello, Hello, Hello! You are talking about something that is NOT even in my book! As a matter of fact, here is a quote right out of it.
"As I have already mentioned, there are countless routines already in the literature using the memorized deck principle. I have a couple to add that I actually use. What I want to reinforce with you is, after so much work to memorize the deck, it would be a huge mistake to give away the secret with careless handling. If you do an effect with a memorized deck, it should be disguised so that the solution is not obvious. Just because you know it is not an easy thing to memorize a deck, your spectators may say, “Oh, all he did was memorize the order of the cards!” You certainly don’t what that to happen." I put 2 routines in the book and neither one of them is a simple name a number and I will tell you the card at that number. Do you really think I would do that??? Richard |
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Piers Inner circle A Limited Edition of 1394 Posts |
The original post of this thread ( mine ), was a review of the Memorized Breakthrough Card System. ( It's great ! )
Was the review OK, how do people who know the system enjoy using it ?! Regards, Piers. www.justgiving.com/piers-cancer-fund www.justgiving.com/Piers-Cancer-Fund-2 www.justgiving.com/Piers-Cancer-Fund-3 Finished my 4 months of Chemotherapy in 2009. 3 monthly checks since... and into 2021! As seen on the QE2 and QM2. Author of Salem's Cornucopia - SUC Book |
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Bobby Forbes Inner circle virginia beach, VA. 1569 Posts |
I love using the system! Not super fast with it yet but it still works for me. At first I thought yeah right, there is no way I can do this. But after sitting their for an hour studying it, man does it make sense. I'll probably be visiting Loraynes website shortly for the other memory work also. This stuff is incredible!!
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ranpink Loyal user Los Angeles 252 Posts |
I've always loved the BCS. I can still remember how fooled I was when I watched MM#2 for the first time. I bought the memorized BCS, memorized the peg list and the rest was real magic. I couldn't believe how easy it was to learn the stack. It took a few dedicated hours. This is minimalist mentalism with cards at its best. I just wanted to memorize the BCS so that I could set it up quickly with a borowed deck of cards anytime. Using our memory this way will have a long lasting positive effect on our brain power. As a mentalist, that's my kind of effect. Richard Osterlind is a genius.
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