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Bendy
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Thanks, Ocha. ...If you were a local guy, I'd let you handle the Schoolcraft Deans Set to see the difference. I think it would sell you on it. But, again, it's all personal preference. You've gotta work with what suits you best.

J-Mac: I don't have a Deans Set Flipper. I know that with the Schoolcraft stuff, Jamie keeps your coin specs on record, (and provides them to you when you purchase from him, as well). So if you have a Deans Set, chances are he can make a Flipper that will work perfectly in concert with the set. If you have an older Deans Set for which he may not have record, or if you got it second hand or something, I'm guessing Jamie could still make a Flipper that would be perfect for whatever Deans Set you have.

As for the Deans Set over regular unexpanded set...Schoolcraft is the only one selling "Deans Sets." That's what he calls his unexpanded sets. ...So they are one in the same. To answer how the Schoolcraft Deans Sets are different from one manufacturer's unexpanded set or another, you'd have to do a side-by-side comparison to know the difference and know what works best for you. While the Deans Set and another's 'unexpanded' set are built on the same principles and should be the same thing...I can tell you that all unexpanded sets are not created equally. Again, I believe Jamie Schoolcraft's are the best available. There are others that are really, really good and worth the investment and will serve you well for a lifetime. But the Schoolcraft ones - for me, anyway - are a cut above the others I've seen, own and have worked with. I can't technically explain it. ...It's a 'feel' thing, mostly.
Martin Simonnet
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I can't help but have a preference towards expanded [.
It is quite useful when performing with [/ coins, as they fit inside the shell.
Also, I have a [ by Mr. Belmont, and he does e[ without having the face of the coin distorted... It's just slightly bigger, since it is an e[, but the face is identical.
Besides, the e[ also has some other advantages, from a more practical point of view, such as an easier replacement of the coins if you break/lose/drop one.
Just my 2 cents Smile
cdmdu
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Get a hopping half set and you could make up your own opinion about it. You will also discover that you can use the two [ together, increasing the effects and methods... and difficulties.
It depend also of the context of your presentation (impromptu or not, etc.), of your other gimmicks (okito box for example) if used, of your own habits and experiences.

just my 1 cent.
Hugh Entwistle
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I personally prefer the expanded shell as other coins can be borrowed and the shell palmed, giving the spectator the appearance of an impromptu effect, also that the milled down coin for the unexpanded is just another coin you need to have on you and takes away some of the flexibility of your routines, you cannot borrow the coin and when examined, the detailed eye may pick up on it
bowers
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I prefer the unexpanded myself.
Daniel Clemente
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I'm all about the expanded!
Lawrence O
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The drawback of the unexpanded shell is the re-milling of the insert and therefore the initial choice of coin. If the original coin has a smooth edge, it's not a real problem.
Now this beingsaid I have been using for years, in performance, some non remilled coins with their shell and nobody ever noticed the absence of milling on the insert.
So the preference for the unexpanded shell is, IMHO, a collector's vision and feeling.
As already underlined in this thread, the expanded shell offers the advantage of fitting any original similar coins. Now, this being said, using an expanded shell over a non expanded shel offers a lot of possibilities.
Samoya is one brilliant example of such possibilities.
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rickmagic1
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I have a routine I'd like to perform, but need a locking unexpanded shell and coin to do it. Where are these available?
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Yano
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I prefer expanded shells and david roth has a lot of work on it
Mb217
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Hi Rick, surprise no response to your question on this??? You might know already by now but you should be able to get what you want here from any of the craftsman. Mr. Tango or Roy Kueppers I'm sure could help with such a simple order. You might also give a great new craftsman here a try with this, PM TWOCAN here on the Café, he does very good work. Smile

-Mb
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I guess that in the UK, many of us cut our teeth as kids with an unexpanded shell because they were cheaper; normally an old 1d (older, large penny) or a decimal 2p. As neither are milled-edged coins, the inserts look fine. It just made it more difficult to keep track of the reduced diameter coin during performance.

I think the first expanded shell that I saw was in the mid 1980's - it was a U.S. half dollar. Unfortunately, it was very shallow and often slid off the coin it was covering - I wonder whether this is where the initial concept for a Slippery Sam gimmick was generated?

I used to use expanded and non-expanded shells until last Summer. That's when I discovered the Tango T.U.C. and my range of shells went onto ebaY.

For me anyway, the T.U.C. does EVERYTHING that any shell can do - and a whole lot more (given, for example, it's magnetic properties). It's also much easier to handle (with practice), doesn't 'talk' as much as a shell and can be subjected to cleaner handling; e.g. easily thrown around, shown on both sides, etc.
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