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MagicAndBlackjack
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Posted: Dec 5, 2005 11:21pm
Have any of you experimented with doing an Erdnase Color Change with open fingers? It is really beautiful and more visual than the standard change. The spectators can see the card the whole time up to the point where the card changes.
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kramerica2010
Veteran user
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Posted: Dec 5, 2005 11:36pm
Iit sounds a lot like a color change Aaron Fisher has
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Hideo Kato
Inner circle
Tokyo
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Posted: Dec 5, 2005 11:41pm
Very good!
My variation on your method :
If you hold the deck more vertically, you don't need to cover the face completely. The card drops with its weight. Shake right hand over the face and the face changes.
Hideo Kato
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cinemagician
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Phila Metro Area
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Posted: Dec 5, 2005 11:51pm
Jose De La Torre has a great method for this kind of change in his book Real Magic.
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Daegs
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USA
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Posted: Dec 6, 2005 1:25am
There are many many color changes from the top of a deck with open hands, but they aren't really the Erdnase color change... the open handed part changes the handling so it isn't the erndase anymore.
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MagicAndBlackjack
Elite user
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Posted: Dec 6, 2005 4:05am
Hideo: Nice variation. It looks awesome.
Daegs: It's still the Erdnase Color Change, only difference is the fingers are open. It's a subtlety, and the method/handling of changing the card is exactly the same.
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DomKabala
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Posted: Dec 6, 2005 4:58am
The Godfather has a nice color change variation "The Top Gun".
 
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MagicAndBlackjack
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Posted: Dec 6, 2005 2:28pm
Yes, Vinny's change is a beautiful color change.
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magic_sailor
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Posted: Dec 6, 2005 2:37pm
Looks great don't mind if I use it instead do you?
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MagicAndBlackjack
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Posted: Dec 6, 2005 3:37pm
Go for it.
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edh
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Posted: Dec 6, 2005 9:28pm
Where is the link to view this? What are you people talking about?
edh
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MagicAndBlackjack
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Posted: Dec 6, 2005 10:12pm
There's not a link. I was just messing around with cards a couple years ago and experimented with doing an Erdnase Color Change without the fingers closed. I was seeing if anyone else on here has seen it done or has tried it themselves.
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dai_vernon
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Posted: Dec 6, 2005 10:23pm
If you want to see the ultimate variation of the erdnase change, if you could call it a variation, is by Boston magician Harry Levine. It is called the hurricane change and is published in trapdoor magazine. Just imagine an open handed erdanase change but diagonally backwards.
Eric
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Hideo Kato
Inner circle
Tokyo
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Posted: Dec 6, 2005 10:30pm
After practicing this for a while, I started to think this is better than the original Erdnase/Houdini change if used as a color change.
Hideo Kato
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dai_vernon
Veteran user
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Posted: Dec 6, 2005 10:51pm
Hideo, I have seen Jack Parker apply that gravity idea before for the cloud change on tsd. Not sure if it is original with him.
Eric
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Paul Chosse
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1955 - 2010
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Posted: Dec 6, 2005 10:57pm
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On 2005-12-06 22:23, dai_vernon wrote:
If you want to see the ultimate variation of the erdnase change, if you could call it a variation, is by Boston magician Harry Levine. It is called the hurricane change...
Eric
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Sorry, Eric, but I'd have to disagree with you on this. Harry's change is certainly wonderful, but to call it anything but a VERY distant relative of Erdnase is misleading. I guess you kind of agree, since you say "...if you could call it a variation...".
One of the things that makes the Erdnase change so wonderful is the SLOW and gentle approach you should take with it. It is unhurried, feels like you aren't DOING anything. The FEEL of Harry's change is completely different. It is a "fast gun" approach. If this were the Old West, Harry would be "Billy the Kid", and the guy doing Erdnase would be Chester, Matt Dillon's deputy from "Gunsmoke"!
Best, PSC
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dai_vernon
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Posted: Dec 6, 2005 11:06pm
Paul,
My only reason for the reference is that he mentions that his inspiration was a sideways erdnanase change. I don't have the magazine in front of me but I beleive he said Dorian Sagan showed it to him. Why am I telling you this? You are mentioned in the article. You know what I am talking about. I totally agree though on the points you have raised. I only wish I had the privelege to watch Harry perform the Menace from Trapdoor. I can only imagine.
Eric
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Tyler Wilson
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Calgary
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Posted: Dec 6, 2005 11:18pm
Hey Eric,
The gravity idea is something Jack created with Mark Aspiazu a few years ago. As far as they know (and they are very well-read gentlemen), it's original with them, but it's so hard to be 100% certain in this day and age. They have a bunch of cool applications for it, you should ask them about it!
Take care.
Tyler Wilson
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dai_vernon
Veteran user
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Posted: Dec 6, 2005 11:20pm
Tyler,
Snow Blind is beatiful. I only wish they let you comment right under the video.
ERic
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Hideo Kato
Inner circle
Tokyo
5176 Posts
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Posted: Dec 7, 2005 12:10am
After practicing this for a while, I started to think this is better than the original Erdnase/Houdini Change if used as a color change.
Thanks for the information that the gravity idea already existed.
Hideo Kato
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Paul Chosse
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1955 - 2010
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Posted: Dec 7, 2005 12:25am
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On 2005-12-06 23:06, dai_vernon wrote:
"Paul,
Why am I telling you this? You are mentioned in the article. You know what I am talking about..." "...I only wish I had the privelege to watch Harry perform the Menace from Trapdoor. I can only imagine."
Eric
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Hi again, Eric!
That's funny, I don't recall being mentioned at all in that article, though I was certainly working with Harry on several projects at the time. I'd like to know what was written and can't look it up, since I don't have a copy of that issue at hand. Can you PM me the pertinent section? Curiosity, you know...
Thanks, PSC
"You can't steal a gift..." Dizzy Gillespie
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RMoreland
Regular user
Savannah,Ga
137 Posts
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Posted: Dec 7, 2005 1:30am
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On 2005-12-06 23:20, dai_vernon wrote:
Tyler,
Snow Blind is beautiful. I only wish they let you comment right under the video.
ERic
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The move looks beautiful in Jack's hands as dose all of his magic. He and Mark have done more with the move than I had ever considered. If you haven’t seen it yet check out Mark Aspiazu's "Little By Little" on TSD. It is probably the most stunning thing I have seen on the Ambitious card since “Raise Rise”.
Later tater,
Robert Moreland
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Jonathan P.
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Belgium
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Posted: Dec 7, 2005 10:28am
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On 2005-12-07 01:30, RMoreland wrote:
The move looks beautiful in Jack's hands as dose all of his magic. He and Mark have done more with the move than I had ever considered. If you haven’t seen it yet check out Mark Aspiazu's "Little By Little" on TSD. It is probably the most stunning thing I have seen on the Ambitious card since “Raise Rise”.
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Hi,
Could you give the complete reference of the book (or video) you are talking about. Sounds appealing...
Thanks,
Jonathan.
http://www.jonathan-philippe.be
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JParker
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Posted: Jan 23, 2006 12:57pm
Thanks for the interest and kind words guys. The videos in question were uploaded to TSD some time ago but since a few people expressed an interest I have also put them up on my site.
If you go to www.jacksdeck.com and to the Videos page, scroll down and there's a couple of links down the bottom. "SnowBlind" explores the idea of the "gravity slide" to execute the change. "Little Fluffy Cloud" is a look at combining Robert Moreland's "Cloud Change" with Mark Aspiazu's "Little By Little". As Robert mentioned Mark's concept is superb and is also on video at TheSecondDeal.
Thanks again for the interest
Jack
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rtclark
Veteran user
Panama City, FL
312 Posts
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Posted: Jan 23, 2006 8:00pm
Didn't sankey do this on one of his dvds? He does a routine where he jogs 4 like cards out of the deck then squares the deck and apparently has all four cards in his hand and deck in the other. He then puts these 4 cards at random places in the deck. Then one at a time they come to the top, (all by way of the erdanase, backs out), then after the third card, he flips the top card over, has his hands open so you can see the card and then does the erdanase and there is the 4th card? I am not sure but revolutionary card magic maybe? It's the dvd where he starts out with a minor false cut/flourish. Hope this helps and doesn't confuse.
Travis
Rtclark
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Posted: Jan 23, 2006 8:26pm
My top gun color change is open fingerd, and it was inspired by the Erdnase color change.....
thoes who have never seen this change can pm e with e mail address I will send demo of the change and the handling,,,,,,,
this effect is also on my dvd TOP GUN
vinny
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http://www.vinnymarini.com
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Chris Stolz
Inner circle
Mississauga, Ontario
1361 Posts
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Posted: Jan 23, 2006 8:27pm
My hands are HUGE so I have always enjoyed doing the Erdnase with my large palms. 
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rtclark
Veteran user
Panama City, FL
312 Posts
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Posted: Jan 23, 2006 9:27pm
You must check out vinniy's change. Superb. It is quick draw like someone else said about another change on here. That guy might be billie the kid but vinny is Doc Holliday.......I'm your huckleberry lol
Rtclark
"When do I get IT"
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MagicT
Special user
New Orleans
606 Posts
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Posted: Jan 24, 2006 1:32am
2 years ago I came up with this change as well. Come to find out that it was Steve Draun's Starfish Change, which has not been mentioned here. Check it out in his book, "Secrets Draun From Underground".
Best,
Trini
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JParker
New user
30 Posts
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Posted: Jan 24, 2006 1:21pm
What goes around comes around Trini. Didn't Steve have a video of this on his site?
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