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noncom
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I've just registered here, after quite a while as a "lurker", so hello to you all. It's nice to find a board where everyone's so polite! And the fact that so many of the top guys seem to read and post here is excellent.

I'm coming back to magic after many many years of not doing anything, so please forgive my level of inexperience in what follows. Particularly, please edit this post if I say too much that's specific.

I have a question about Banachek's PK Touches. First of all, let me say I don't have the manuscript yet (my local dealer didn't have it in stock when I tried the other day) so if this is answered directly in that, feel free to say "just go and buy it".

After seeing the descriptions of the effect here and elsewhere on the web, and watching Derren Brown's "twins" experiment again, I think I have a fair idea what's going on, but since I have a bunch of extremely sceptical and bolshy friends, I can't help thinking that the whole piece would be ruined by a quick discussion among the participants afterwards about exactly what really happened....
Have I completely missed something, is this drawback answered by Banachek in the book, or do those of you who perform the routine just not find it happens?

Thanks for any advice.... and nice to meet you all!

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Am I the only one to think this thread gives away the whole method ?!
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I hope not - that was certainly not the intention, however I can only repeat that all I know about the effect has been gleaned from reading other posts and seeing it performed on TV. My question arose from my own reaction to the illusion, and I don't think I said anything that anyone else who's reading this forum couldn't have found in previous posts.

But, I'm new here and don't want to upset anyone, so if others think my question, or the first reply, was too specific please say so and I'll know what to do in future.

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promethee !

I'm not really sure I gave away the method by my previous post but in the doubt I deleted my post.

I'm sorry if I caused troubles, that was not in my intention. I only wanted to help a little bit.

Maybe you understand that it's very difficult to help someone on this method without having to explain a little. But the secret session is probably more adapted to talk about that.

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Cendre - thanks for trying to help, and I managed to see your advice before you removed it. I understand what you mean about "controlling the discussion", and the idea to use the participants for other effects before letting them go, so their memory of events is blurred is a good one.

I've seen people on this forum say that they use PK touches as a stand-alone impromptu effect, however, so how could you do that in those circumstances?

Promethee - sorry if I upset you, I've changed my original question to be a little less specific, but I think everyone who knows the method will still see what I'm getting at.
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Noncom, I understand your problem on the "impromptu" version because it's not so "impromptu" if you want to do this effect properly.

In fact I've made a choice : I don't use it impromptu". I work on it to use it in my show where I have a better control on the "after" of the effect.

If only did a dozen of tests of PK Touch with the method adapted to my story of "animated doll" (see BREATH OF LIFE in the secret session), with 3 differents way to present it. And if it's not perfect (for the moment) I clearly have a better impact than the "impromptu" version much more difficult to control.

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On 2002-11-14 11:37, noncom wrote:
Promethee - sorry if I upset you, I've changed my original question to be a little less specific, but I think everyone who knows the method will still see what I'm getting at.

In fact, I wasn't upset, I was just wondering ... But sometimes when we know an effect even a slight indication seems to be an explanation.
It's difficult to find the balance between talking about an effect, and giving away the secret. It seems that you understood the method before readind the booklet (if I remember well, it also happened to me!). There are some stuff around which can be easily understood without buying the effects, only reading the posts : for instance penomenon, kolossal killer, healed and sealed ... magical Smile Smile
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The think with PK Touches is its all in ther performance and audiance control if you fail on this you really fail the effect!

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I dont see any real problem if the piece is performed in a serious tone. I do not do PK Touches as magic. I present it as a serious experiment with only those that might be open to believe that such things might just happen. If you pick the right people to start with, even if they talk later everything will seem just right. In fact, I have seen it become even better. In one situation the physically tapped spectator claimed to have seen a spirit go over to the psychicly tapped person and do the tapping. Now that sounds like a cool effect! I just wish I had been at my own performance of that to see it myself Smile

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To amplify Stan's post, this effect's success, like all spirit theatre, depends largely on establishing the proper, serious atmosphere. For this reason, I would reserve its use to a show rather than as an impromptu party trick.

With that done, it becomes a question of audience management -- and like any number of "instant stooge" effects (although this can certainly be distinguished from them), the performer needs to (1) choose the right volunteer for the tapping procedure; and (2) make that volunteer feel personally validated for ensuring the effect's successful completion.

If you have picked well, and the volunteer feels a sense of validation from being part of a successful paranormal experiment, then you'll have made an ally who will preserve his newfound pseudo-celebrity status by publicly forgetting less-prominent facts, elaborating upon the presentation to your benefit, and generally acting the part of a good "believer" until his dying day.

(Sometimes, he may not even consciously be playing a part -- many volunteers have no idea how the effect is accomplished, and are as bewildered as the rest of the audience.)

From such things are legends made.

Now for the testimonial: PK Touches is one of the strongest effects I've ever done. But it takes nerve, confidence, and a strong command of the situation in terms of atmosphere and audience control. If you have that, it's breathtaking. On the other hand, if you don't think you can pull it off, or your performance needs are different, I would steer you toward a different effect.

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Andy,

Thanks for posting the question. Of course I'm biased (being Banachek's business partner), but it is a great effect and I have used it many times even though I am a magician rather than a mentalist. Psychokinetic Touches is available through our website at http://www.magicinspirations.net/ or you can buy them directly from Banachek himself after his lecture in London this weekend.

Banachek and I will be in the U.K. this coming week. He will be lecturing for The Mentalist's Asylum (along with David Berglas, Ali Bongo, Ian Rowland, Kovari and others) on Sunday November 17 - details at http://www.magicinmind.com/ and a completely different lecture for the Magic Circle on Monday November 18th (following a lecture by Wayne Dobson).

We hope to see you there!

yours,
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Andy,

This will become one of the greatest effects you can learn.

However, in order to get past your "bolshy" friends, it would behoove you to pick up the manuscript. Banachek has covered all the bases to make sure you come away strong.

Don
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Thanks for all your advice. As a "2nd-time-beginner" to this art, I wouldn't plan on performing an effect like PK Touches for a while anyway. I guess I need to build up my performing experience again with some easier-to-pull-off effects first, but I was interested because it's the kind of thing I'd like to work towards.

Scott, thanks for your message - I'm guessing it'll be easier to get the manuscript from a UK online dealer than direct from you in the US? Sadly there's no chance of making it down to London this weekend for the lectures, but I hope they're successful, and do come back soon. Shame, I would have love to meet the man himself.
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I have seen Derren perform a similar effect live, and in my opinion he does not use the PKT method.
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I've only seen Derren's TV shows. He does the one routine using a pair of twins which looks to me very like the way people have described PK Touches. There's also a routine involving only one spectator at a time, which obviously has a different method (and earlier threads here have hinted what...)

Is the live routine you refer to different from these two?
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He mimes tapping someone on the hand without actually touching them (he is a few inches away from them). They can't see what he is doing but they report being tapped the same number of times as the mimed taps.
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Ok, that sounds like the effect from Mind Control 3 with the lap dancers. Now, last time I hinted at a method on this forum I got my wrist slapped pretty quickly (strangely, I felt it, but didn't see anyone touch me....) but there is a thread here somewhere (no pun intended) which gives the name of a gimmick possibly used in this effect. Seek and ye shall find.
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Darren is doing my original idea in MC3
He is doing Bancheck's PK on MC2

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I don't have MC2 on tape, only 1 and 3. How does this effect on MC2 look?
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Quote:
On 2002-11-17 15:35, Lior wrote:
Darren is doing my original idea in MC3
He is doing Bancheck's PK on MC2

Lior


Lior,

have you published your effect? You've got me interested now...

UJ
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