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Scott Kahn
Special user
Clayton, NC
521 Posts
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Posted: Jan 23, 2006 7:48pm
I am re-releasing my handling of the card to sealed ziplock bag this spring in my manuscript "Kahnjuring." The effect was originally released in 2001 under the name "Zipped Up & Locked Away." In this reprint, I would like to credit the history of this effect. I'm told magicians such as Wayne Houchin ("Indecent"), Romi ("Sample"), Allan Ackerman, Daryl, and Dean Dill all have worked with this plot. Could Anyone provide specific references for me?
Thanks.
--Scott
PS: For those PMing me, yes, the effect is extremely similar to Houchin's "Indecent" but I have corresponded with him and we have both agreed that the effects were created independently. He had no knowledge of my previous effect.
Scott Kahn, M.D.
"KAHNJURING: A New Dimension of Close-Up Card Magic From the Innovative Mind of an Award-Winning Sleight-of-Hand Magician"
The newly revised 2nd printing is coming soon.
PM or e-mail me for info.
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Paul Chosse
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1955 - 2010
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Posted: Jan 24, 2006 12:25am
I'd try writing to people like: Wayne Houchin, Romi, Allan Ackerman, Daryl, and Dean Dill for specific references. I'm not trying to be a wise guy, but it seems that you already know who has done the work, why not ask them for references to anything they've published?
In my experience, asking for second-hand references is often an excercise in futility. You wind up having to go to the sources anyway, and half the time you get mixed messsages from people who are not directly involved. Things like, " I seem to remember...", or "a friend told me he saw in in a Genii, back in the ninties...", or ""I think Loraytne had a version in one of his "Best of Friends" collections...". None of this is particularly helpful, you have to check the checkers, and you wind up calling Daryl and Dean, etc. anyway!
Best, PSC
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Glenn Morphew
Regular user
153 Posts
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Posted: Jan 26, 2006 8:12pm
Dean's trick named "Plastrik" is on his "Intimate Close up Miracles" Tape. He credits Daryl's version as his inspiration. (I'm not familiar with Daryl's version myself) Dean uses a grocery store vegetable bag in the effect. In Dean's trick, after the signed selection is lost in the pack, the entire deck is fairly put in the bag...set on the table...air blown in to partially (maybe 3/4 full)inflate the bag...the open end sealed off...then slowly and visibly the signed selection creeps out through the side of the bag. GREAT TRICK!
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magicmancas
Regular user
118 Posts
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Posted: Jan 26, 2006 8:50pm
Doesn't Lee Asher have something similar? Thanks
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Mitch Schneiter
Special user
West Linn, Oregon
615 Posts
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Posted: Jan 26, 2006 9:13pm
In the Magic Hedonists (Ammar, Daryl, Harris) "Brainstorm in the Bahamas" you'll find "A Hefty Penetration" where a signed card is lost in a deck. Then a clear plastic bag is placed over the performers hand holding the deck. The selected card rises and penetrates out of the bag.
Asher's effect "Deuce Bag" (from "Thinking Out Loud") is different: A card is selected and placed back in the pack by the spectator. A zip-lock bag is removed from your pocket and inside the bag is a wild card. The bag with the wild card is placed in the spectator's hand. After a moment the magic occurs and the wild card in the zip-lock bag transforms into their selection.
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Pete Biro
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14730 Posts
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Posted: Jan 26, 2006 9:48pm
Over 20 years ago Dick Koornwinder fooled me badly with a card trick and a plastic bag. He did it at Fred Kaps' home.
Card chosen and lost in the deck. Deck is put into a plastic sandwich bag and twist tied (pre-ziplock?) and the chosen card rose up out of the deck and he handed it all to me for examination.
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Scott Kahn
Special user
Clayton, NC
521 Posts
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Posted: Jan 26, 2006 10:07pm
Thanks for all the help everyone. Any other references to this type of effect?
Scott Kahn, M.D.
"KAHNJURING: A New Dimension of Close-Up Card Magic From the Innovative Mind of an Award-Winning Sleight-of-Hand Magician"
The newly revised 2nd printing is coming soon.
PM or e-mail me for info.
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baskitboy5
Special user
Boston
828 Posts
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Posted: Jan 26, 2006 10:48pm
Pete, that sounds like MOFO...although I do not own it...but would love to
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Frank Starsini
Eternal Order
Northern California
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Posted: Jan 27, 2006 12:04am
I believe I saw this effect in Lee Asher's lecture.
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bsears
Special user
877 Posts
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Posted: Jan 27, 2006 11:19am
Yes, Lee Asher has a version. And its a good one too.
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Scott Kahn
Special user
Clayton, NC
521 Posts
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Posted: Jan 27, 2006 11:40am
Lee's effect is more of a transformation than a penetration, I believe.
Scott Kahn, M.D.
"KAHNJURING: A New Dimension of Close-Up Card Magic From the Innovative Mind of an Award-Winning Sleight-of-Hand Magician"
The newly revised 2nd printing is coming soon.
PM or e-mail me for info.
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Mitch Schneiter
Special user
West Linn, Oregon
615 Posts
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Posted: Jan 27, 2006 5:59pm
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Lee Asher's effect "Deuce Bag" (from "Thinking Out Loud") is different: A card is selected and placed back in the pack by the spectator. A zip-lock bag is removed from your pocket and inside the bag is a wild card. The bag with the wild card is placed in the spectator's hand. After a moment the magic occurs and the wild card in the zip-lock bag transforms into their selection.
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Yes, it is a transformation.
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Christopher Williams
Inner circle
Plymouth, UK
4152 Posts
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Posted: Jan 27, 2006 6:11pm
Paul Harris has an effect where the a card is selected, lost back in the deck and then placed in a plastic zip bag, then the card rises out and penetrates up and through the bag, when I have more time, I will search the books for a reference on it, but it is the perfect follow up for card to sealed zip lock bag. And yes, Lee Ashers is a transformation effect, and it is a magician fooler as well. I think the Harris effect is in AOA 3, but I could be wrong
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Godel
New user
California
72 Posts
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Posted: Jan 27, 2006 9:38pm
Is Wayne Houchins version going to be released this year?
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Scott Kahn
Special user
Clayton, NC
521 Posts
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Posted: Jan 27, 2006 10:17pm
As per a recent e-mail from Wayne, he is unsure if he is going to release "Indecent."
Scott
Scott Kahn, M.D.
"KAHNJURING: A New Dimension of Close-Up Card Magic From the Innovative Mind of an Award-Winning Sleight-of-Hand Magician"
The newly revised 2nd printing is coming soon.
PM or e-mail me for info.
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bobbyk
Special user
Tennessee
524 Posts
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Posted: Jan 28, 2006 1:09am
Scott,
Hurry and finish so you can release that Manuscript. I would love to have it!!!!
Bobby
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Mitch Schneiter
Special user
West Linn, Oregon
615 Posts
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Posted: Jan 28, 2006 12:07pm
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On 2006-01-27 18:11, Christopher Williams wrote:
Paul Harris has an effect where the a card is selected, lost back in the deck and then placed in a plastic zip bag, then the card rises out and penetrates up and through the bag, when I have more time, I will search the books for a reference on it, but it is the perfect follow up for card to sealed zip lock bag. And yes, Lee Ashers is a transformation effect, and it is a magician fooler as well. I think the Harris effect is in AOA 3, but I could be wrong
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You are right, it is in AOA 3 and titled "A Hefty Penetration". It was originally published in the Magic Hedonists (Ammar, Daryl, Harris) "Brainstorm in the Bahamas".
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Magic Spank
Veteran user
Las Vegas
310 Posts
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Posted: Jan 29, 2006 3:23pm
I have a magi friend who is diabetic. He comes up with tricks using syringes because he uses them every day.
What makes these guys think of effects using zip lock bags?
They must eat a lot of box lunches or something.
Rob
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