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rickmagic1
Inner circle
Franklin, TN...where the fences have
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Posted: Nov 19, 2002 12:16am
I just saw a new item for sale by Jay Sankey, looks like a "zip-loc" style clear forcing bag. Anyone know anything about this? I'm looking for a good clear force bag, wondering if this is any good.
Rick
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dAvId tOnG
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sInGaPoRe
216 Posts
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Posted: Nov 19, 2002 12:41am
In my opinion, any clear force bag that looks like a zip loc bag will work fine. There are many dealers that carry such an item, not necessary Jay Sankey's and if i am not wrong, it is retailing at ard $10 range, definitely lesser. I got mine many years back for about US$6 and it works fine :-)
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David Fletcher
Loyal user
238 Posts
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Posted: Nov 19, 2002 7:44am
Make your own!!!!!!!!!!!
You have to give it away to keep it.
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eric2104
New user
saint-martin (French West Indies)
87 Posts
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Posted: Nov 19, 2002 7:37pm
Hi Rickmagic,
I have to second David's opinion, It's real easy to make one good clear forcing bag. If you really need to know how, PM me.
See you, and best regards.
Eric.
"All magic is mental"
Tony Shiels.
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Mike Robbins
Elite user
Anchorage, Alaska
443 Posts
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Posted: Nov 19, 2002 8:25pm
Ed Fowler (Carlyle) has a great one. With his you can zip the bag closed, hand it to a participant, and have him/her open the bag and select a billet/paper/etc.
Mike
The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool.
Shakespeare
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jerdunn
Inner circle
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Posted: Nov 19, 2002 9:25pm
I've had trouble with clear force bags -- to wit, the person sticking his hand into the bag can feel that there are objects/slips of paper outside the area where his hand is , i.e., beyond one thickness of plastic (if you know what I mean).
Anyone else have this problem? Any solutions?
Cheers,
Jerry
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MichaelSibbernsen
Special user
Omaha, NE
513 Posts
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Posted: Nov 19, 2002 9:41pm
Jerry,
Thats an easy one. Have them turn their head while making the selection. This is a perfectly acceptable thing to do; stemming from the old "choosing a name from a hat" selection process.
As a matter of fact, I think it is odd looking *not* to do this; i.e. letting someone see what they are to be selecting at random.
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asmayly
Loyal user
San Antonio, Texas
295 Posts
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Posted: Nov 19, 2002 9:47pm
To add to Michael's suggestion: stress that they are to remove quickly the first "whatever" they TOUCH, as you are psychically directing their hand.
Asmayly
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Ted Lesley
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Berlin / Germany
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Posted: Nov 20, 2002 6:10am
Hi,
If you want THE BEST clear forcing bag, take Ed Fowler-Carlyle´s. It is the GREATEST!
ESPecially
Ted Lesley
( The "Victor Borge" of Mentalism )
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CENDRE
Veteran user
FRANCE
334 Posts
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Posted: Nov 20, 2002 7:57am
Quote:
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On 2002-11-19 21:25, jerdunn wrote:
I've had trouble with clear force bags -- to wit, the person sticking his hand into the bag can feel that there are objects/slips of paper outside the area where his hand is , i.e., beyond one thickness of plastic (if you know what I mean).
Anyone else have this problem? Any solutions?
Cheers,
Jerry
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Yes Jerry, I had the same problem. That was the principal reason why I stopped using clear plastic bag (even if I liked the idea of a clear bag). The other reason was that a plastic bag doesn't fit to my kind of presentations.
Maybe it was because my clear bag wasn’t the best we can find (because Ted Lesley couldn’t give an advise on a bad product) but I wasn’t really satisfied because of the weird felling of the spect when he puts his and in the bag (a little something unnatural) even if he had the head turned.
But I’m sure it exists better products on the market nowdays.
See you soon,
Il était une fois...
CENDRE
Paris
FRANCE
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Docc Spurlock
Regular user
Chicago & Arizona
164 Posts
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Posted: Nov 20, 2002 12:48pm
Hi Rick:
I just came across a web site that had clear forcing bags dirt cheap, like $2.50.. If you want to check it out go to.....www.totaldiscountmagic.com . I think it was under Mentalism.
Spurlock
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RileyG
Special user
Las Vegas
777 Posts
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Posted: Nov 20, 2002 2:40pm
In regards to the cheap clear change bags. Cheap is as cheap does...
Ed Fowler made (makes) the best clear change bags.
Signed,
Riley G Matthews Jr
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Lee Davies
Regular user
Derby, England
136 Posts
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Posted: Nov 20, 2002 3:07pm
I would have to agree with Mr Lesley and Mr RileyG. You won't regret Ed Fowler-Carlyle´s clear changing bag - I haven't.
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John Clarkson
Special user
Santa Barbara, CA
749 Posts
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Posted: Nov 20, 2002 7:13pm
Quote:
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On 2002-11-20 06:10, TLesley wrote:
Hi,
If you want THE BEST clear forcing bag, take Ed Fowler-Carlyle´s. It is the GREATEST!
ESPecially
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Where does one get it?
John D. Clarkson, S.O.B. (Sacred Omphaloskeptic Brotherhood)
Cozener
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—Peggy, from King of the Hill (Sleight of Hank)
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ddyment
Inner circle
Gibsons, BC, Canada
1388 Posts
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Posted: Nov 20, 2002 8:04pm
The best source of Carlyle's bag is directly from him: carlyle@infi.net.
... Doug
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rickmagic1
Inner circle
Franklin, TN...where the fences have
1429 Posts
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Posted: Nov 20, 2002 11:36pm
Thanks, guys.
I emailed Ed tonite. I'll let you know what happens.
Rick Green
Mentalism...it's a mind thing...
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guefgo
New user
20 Posts
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Posted: Nov 21, 2002 9:16am
i think is not worth to buy one,you can manufacture it very easy. 
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Steve Hoffman
Regular user
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Posted: Nov 23, 2002 2:14am
Jerry's post stated "I've had trouble with clear force bags -- to wit, the person sticking his hand into the bag can feel that there are objects/slips of paper outside the area where his hand is , i.e., beyond one thickness of plastic (if you know what I mean). Anyone else have this problem? Any solutions?"
I too wonder about this. The point about having the volunteer turn his/her head away while making the selection doesn't quite address this. I think Jerry's talking about a sense of touch, not of sight.
In other words, as the spectator's hand enters the bag, it brushes against what should be the "outside wall" of the bag -- yet he feels a bunch of bunched up pieces of paper THROUGH the supposed outside wall.
And I think this same problem could occur whether you're using a Sankey clear plastic force bag or a Carlye one or the one Jeff Busby sells.
I'd love to hear more about how one avoids this problemn, tho . . .
Steve Hoffman
mailto:steve@goodnote.com
Takoma Park MD
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Kraminator
New user
Florida
47 Posts
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Posted: Nov 23, 2002 8:54am
Is there a video on the web where I can see the trick presentation?
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mystic1
Veteran user
343 Posts
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Posted: Nov 23, 2002 2:23pm
"trick," eh?
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jerdunn
Inner circle
1173 Posts
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Posted: Dec 6, 2002 1:29pm
Thanks to everyone who responded to my post expressing a problem with clear force bags. Steve's post above, however, accurately perceives the problem as being one of touch, not sight, on the part of the spectator.
The problem is especially severe/obvious when the bag contains bulky things to choose from.
For example, I tried working up "Compelled," an effect in which a bag holds pieces for a jigsaw map of the United States. The spectator chooses a piece from the clear bag, and it happens that his chosen state fits the only blank spot in the "prediction map." Problem: The spectator can easily feel the bulk of all the pieces beyond the plastic wall.
Anyone have further thoughts on such situations? The clear force bag is such a great principle that I'd like to find a way to make it work!
Cheers,
Jerry
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mystic1
Veteran user
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Posted: Dec 7, 2002 3:01am
This entire thread would be better placed in the "Inside" mentalism area. Even the mere existence of the item being discussed should not be acknowledged where the browsing public can learn of it.
Perhaps the moderators can relocate it.
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Lior
Inner circle
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Posted: Dec 7, 2002 3:24am
Guy Bavli Net Bag
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Paul
Inner circle
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Posted: Dec 12, 2002 8:07am
re;
The spectator chooses a piece from the clear bag, and it happens that his chosen state fits the only blank spot in the "prediction map." Problem: The spectator can easily feel the bulk of all the pieces beyond the plastic wall.
"Bulk" may be the operative word here. Use less pieces. The effect sounds like a knock off anyway, just a different jigsaw.
Paul.
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jerdunn
Inner circle
1173 Posts
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Posted: Dec 12, 2002 3:43pm
Paul,
Re: bulk: You can't really use fewer pieces, since there are 50 U.S. states and using only 10 or 15 pieces in the bag would look odd.
Re: knockoff: The instructions for Compelled are copyrighted 1978, and I have no idea if there were similar effects earlier. Do you?
Cheers,
Jerry
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