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FatTony Regular user Dallas, Texas 121 Posts |
Hi,
I was wondering...is it generally better to learn coin sleights with smaller coins and then work with larger sizes, or is it better to learn coin sleights with larger coins then work with the smaller? Also, can anyone recommend good coin magic books aside from Bobo's Modern Coin Magic? Thanks!
The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed. - Einstein
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phedonbilek Special user Greece, Cameroon, France 883 Posts |
Do a research, you'll find ALL the answers you need, and much more.
Phedon
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vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10957 Posts |
I started out using a quater ,, then later switched to the larger coins.
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Cartelli Regular user 104 Posts |
Generelly use larger coins, because you will use them later in your performaces, as they are more visible. Only a few technics require smaller coins.
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phedonbilek Special user Greece, Cameroon, France 883 Posts |
Vinny is right as well... I started using Euros, which are the size of quarters. When I switched to hlaf-dollars it was so easy.
My advice on size: start with smaller coins. But there's nothing absolute here, one might argue that it would be wiser to start with the coins you'll perform with later on... I just think you gain better control with smaller coins. As far as sources are concerned, have a look at the top post dealing with beginners: where to start. Phedon
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FatTony Regular user Dallas, Texas 121 Posts |
Thanks for all the advice!
The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed. - Einstein
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aznviet6uy Veteran user Santa Rosa, CA 315 Posts |
I used to walk around with a quarter in classic palm all day, doing simple task that I would normaly do thorughout the day, its helped me alot. I guess I would suggest to start off with small coins but like Cartelli said, it might be better if you decide to perform for large audiences to start off with larger coins.
-Chris
shhh..... I see Magicians.....
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Pachin Regular user 153 Posts |
I agree with Chris
Its easier to carry with you small coins in your pockets than big ones. The more you have your coins with you the more you can practice with them. The more you practice the easier will be to handle all type of coins afterwards |
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info2victor Veteran user 337 Posts |
Hm... I agree with having coins better fit in your pocket. However, IMO one should find coins suitable to their hand size.
I once thought of starting off with coins of my living place. But it turned out that the size really can't fit my hand well. So I turned to half-dollars, which fits my hands. Some may argue that it's kind of odd to use foreign coins since this may arouse suspicions. But the fact is the audience don't really care, and there are routines and even sleights that allow you to use/show normal coins most of the time. Thus better start out with coins that fits you hands most instead. Half-dollar is a nice choice since most people's hands handle it well. Also, when you move on to use gimmicks half-dollar sized ones are more accessible. But of course it is always good to learn routines that you can use any coins =)
It only takes a minute to learn how it is done, but takes a lifetime to learn how to do it.
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Mano Inner circle 1028 Posts |
I totally agree with Info2victor; that is what I suggest you do first; just find coins that fit your hand and then take it from there.
It also depend the kind of magic you are doing at certain moment; in my case, if I'm doing 3 fly,hanging coins etc those kind of routines that are sort of like for parlor act; I use silver dollars which are bigger and the audience will be able to see better than half dollars; I personally think that it is a bit hard for the audience to watch a 3fly performed, because they are not that big and if you use half dollars, you have to make you the you are holding those coins at the extreme finger tips, if you want them to see them. My 2 cents. Peace out there. Mano. |
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Richard Lucas Special user TX fornow- MemberMagicCastle'65-'88 737 Posts |
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On 2006-02-11 10:42, phedonbilek wrote: Now that was a big help! NOT!! If you have nothing to say please do not post comments just to bring up your post count.
"The only difference between a Card Cheat and a Magician is that the Magician shows off.".......... Jay Ose 1965
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taller8 Inner circle Olympia, Washington 1087 Posts |
I've worked my way up to a Morgan and it really is so much more visible. The Goshman pinch is a bit of a struggle but I love the visuals of a larger coin. But I have large hands too.
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Mano Inner circle 1028 Posts |
Hey Taller I bet you do; your name pretty much says it.LOL.
peace. Mano. |
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Mediocre the Great Inner circle Rich Hurley 1062 Posts |
A LOT of experimentation with all size coins will help you determine which coins are best for the particular size and characteristics of your hands.
Generally, larger coins are easier for the audience to see. Some coins will be better for a particular trick, sleight or concealment. Personally I LOVE ALL COINS. (I never met a coin I didn't like)
Mediocrity is greatly under rated!
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phedonbilek Special user Greece, Cameroon, France 883 Posts |
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On 2006-02-12 11:28, Richard Lucas wrote: Richard Lucas-> I was just pointing out that this subject had been extensively covered in the past, and since this person is new on the Café he might not be aware of this. You surely did not pay attention to the number of posts of this guy. Did you? Second, if you scrolled a bit further, you would see that I did write something to -try to- help. Third: I don't know about you, but bringing up my post count does not make me earn anything my dear Richard Lucas. I don't even understand the purpose of your comment... I guess you need to bring YOUR post count up so that you can feel kind of important... Fourth: the only reason I'm loosing time replying to you is that owing to the snowstorm I have nothing else to do. So thanks for keeping me busy. Fifth: save your comments for your parents who apparently failed teaching you a basic principle: respect. Having said that, I wish you a very nice day. Friendly, Phedon
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2006-02-11 10:27, FatTony wrote:...is it generally better to learn coin sleights with smaller coins and then work with larger sizes, or is it better to learn coin sleights with larger coins then work with the smaller?... In my experience, and I dropped coins throughout highschool (yes even in class) it was much less expensive to drop common coins than to chase after silver coins which as David Roth reminds us "don't like to be dropped". If you will be performing impromptu with pocket change, then you are well advised to get comfortable with pocket change. Following that path it helps to get competant at EG and DBC using dimes. Sorry I can't offer you a "better" answer. The cost/benefit analysis is heavily weighted by your goals.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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phedonbilek Special user Greece, Cameroon, France 883 Posts |
JT -> I met a guy who had no problem CPing dimes now that you talk about pocket change... And he did not have small hands...
But it's true that being able to perform a couple of routines with some borrowed quarters is a big plus... Phedon
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Phedon, that is very cool.
I can do my DBC stuff with dimes, and some EG stuff but instead of CP I use VTP, Vertical Thumb Palm also known as the Drobina's palm from his trick in Bobo's. Quarters seem a good balance between visible and common. For an audience of more than a dinner table, I would use props larger than coins, even tissue paper balls. This brings me to why I like Eric's FlashCoins ... and thoughts about a candle.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Mano Inner circle 1028 Posts |
Personally I LOVE ALL COINS. (I never met a coin I didn't like.
Mediocre the great, I'm with you in that one. peace. Mano. |
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phedonbilek Special user Greece, Cameroon, France 883 Posts |
JT-> When you DBC dimes, don't they stick to your fingers thus making the retrieval impossible? I can't imagine DBCing dimes, they're so light. I can't even DBC halves, they stick to my fingers! Hence my use of the TC for everything requiring back clipping
Phedon
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