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Devilix Veteran user 372 Posts |
Hi all,
I have the new book of John Bannon and I really love this effect. However, I got a litlle question about it. I am thinking of doing this trick but with a packet trick. I mean I put the 10 cards in a card wallet, and do the trick. Do you guys and girls think that will hurt the effect? I mean not suffleling the big pack of 52 cards and take out 10 cards. In using it as a packet trick, it would be more simple for me because and I stack my deck for another effect. thanks for shearing your point of view about this.. Devilix |
NeoMagic Inner circle I have... 2017 Posts |
I believe this is a version of the ten card poker deal... I do the one taught by Harry Lorayne in Deck-Sterity and always prefer to start with a full deck and take out the ten cards I want to use... if you are worried about ruining your stack you could always make this the closing effect in your routine.
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DomKabala Inner circle I've grown old after diggin' holes for 2827 Posts |
I see no problem with using the effect as a packet trick...either way it is a killer effect and it is up to the individual to use it as they see fit.
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Noel D Regular user 197 Posts |
I think it would be better from the deck, simply because it would arouse less supicion.
"here's a deck of cards, but I'm going to show you a trick with 10 cards that I keep seperate just because" It doesn't flow. If you really want to keep the stack, just do a cull de stack as you openly upjog the ten cards needed for the power of poker. I play this routine a bit differently than most people do. I grab the random top ten cards after a shuffle (a zarrow, so the random cards aren't realy so random) and do the game with them. no one looks at the cards until the final choice, so the full house is a bit of a suprise. I usually remark somethign about how I got a full house last time. this lets them think they're going to win and it sets them up for the huge fall when you display your straight flush/royal flush. |
NeoMagic Inner circle I have... 2017 Posts |
^ agreed... why suddenly pull out a small packet of regular cards when you've already got a full deck on the table that you've been using? Unless, that is, you use the poker trick as an opener before introducing the deck proper...
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Charlie Justice Inner circle Mount Dora, Florida 1142 Posts |
If you insist on pulling out only 10 cards then call it something that will not draw attention to the packet proper and lack of an initial full deck of cards.
Say, for example, that in (insert country here) cards are scarce and that they only use 10 cards to play (insert variation name of poker here). Continue on saying that in this manner 4 separate poker games could be played from 1 single deck. This is just an example, mind you. The point is to simple not bring out 10 cards and leave the question of 'where's the rest of the deck' hanging out there. |
griff13 New user 61 Posts |
This is a great trick, but I don't like the order that the cards are dealt. One to each player, then two to one player and then two to the other player, etc. In a normal game you deal one to each player.
You can alternate the cards, one to each player if you start with the cards in a order different from that sugested by Bannon. However, when you get to the last four cards, you need to rearange the cards slightly. As it is only four cards, I just make it look like I cut the four cards. Anyone else tried this? |
Gasman New user 77 Posts |
Deal off the ten cards from a regular deck after a false shuffle that keeps the top 10 intact. Put the balance in your pocket next to the your stacked deck but upright. At the end of the poker trick, reach with the cards into you're pocket and do d**k sw**** and go into your other effect.
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Devilix Veteran user 372 Posts |
Thanks Guys for your point of view.
Im still not sure on how to handle this. The main problem is that I cant do false shuffle. I can control my 10 cards on the top without problem, but I will change the order of the 42 others. My point of view was to take out the 10 cards explaining that we will use 10 high cards to do a poker game. Like this, we are sure to have a strong hand... I think a will try it with laypeople to see their reactions. Like this, I will be able to compare and adapt myself. Griff13 : At first, I taught the same thing about this. However, I don't think its a issue. You see, for me, the beauty of this trick is that everything is so fair. You don't manipulate the cards at all. In fact, the spectator can even do the trick. He put the two cards on the table and he made the choice. However, I was wondering if someone have tried to do the trick the other way. I mean, spectator deal the cards and he finish with the strong hand. I wonder what the reaction would be to have deal themself a Royal Flush.... Devilix |
Christopher Williams Inner circle Portsmouth, UK 4464 Posts |
I don't like the idea of it being a packet trick. The spectator may feel, are they special cards, why are they kept apart from the other cards. It doesn't take long to set it up from a shuffled deck
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Cain Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 1550 Posts |
In addition to all the above comments, I think there is a heightened sense of suspicion when mentioning poker.
Since you want to incorporate this effect into a routine that uses a stack, your best bet is to construct a logical routine. Quote:
Im still not sure on how to handle this. The main problem is that I cant do false shuffle. I can control my 10 cards on the top without problem, but I will change the order of the 42 others. First of all, you should work on a false shuffle. Second, regardless of whether or not you can perform a false shuffle, Gasman's suggestion still holds provided you can control the top ten cards. A really good BSer can convert the limitations of his skill set into strengths. Since this is a poker demonstration, the rationale for putting the cards in your pocket is that you don't want there to be any suspicion of cheating. Show nothing in your hands after putting them in your pocket. Also, the suggestion should probably seem extemporaneous, as if you're subtely reacting to a spectator's lurking suspicions. Edit to add: I still haven't done this trick. I hardly ever do anything relating directly to poker or blackjack. However, in the above comments, I do like the explicit suggestion of cheating because the trick is super-duper fair, especially if it seems those ten cards were randomly selected.
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scorch Inner circle 1480 Posts |
In my mind, it will weaken the effect, though not so much that it won't still be a good effect. The issue is, however, if you need is for a packet trick, I do believe that the Bannon effect wouldn't be as good as a packet trick as many other packet tricks would be at being packet tricks. In other words, the level of inherent power of the Bannon routine, compromised by the added suspicion and awkwardness (for a gambling routine) of using only ten cards, becomes weak enough so that other packet tricks are better. Trost's Eight Card Brainwave or his Abra-Card-Dabra, to name just a couple, are better packet tricks than this Bannon routine would be.
Inherently, gambling demonstrations and gambling effects go best with a full deck of cards, which is the familiar context to laymen. There is just something that rubs me the wrong way about confusing the genre with the packet trick genre. I suppose it could be done in an effective way, but I don't think this is the right effect to do it. |
TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
I did the effect with a full deck and I used the Heinstein false shuffle and a crimp, allowing the spectator to cut the cards.
ThiS went over very well. Unless you have TO do it as a packet trick, why would you?
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Mago Gregorio Elite user Paris, France 473 Posts |
I think that you can explain that you will use only 10 cards to facilitate the game and make it easier, upjog them, and when you have the 10, make some false cut and shuffle.
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Devilix Veteran user 372 Posts |
OK guys,
I understand your point of view and I think you are right. I will use it from a full deck. I was not sure so I prefered asking the question to more experience magician before doing anything. Devilix |
Magicpitch Regular user 197 Posts |
No need to false shuffle, just give it a couple false cuts.
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