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RJ Hunt Elite user Lakeland, FL 466 Posts |
OK here is the “The Low Down” one of my "Table Side" or “Table Hopping” coin routines is from David Roth's first video's...Coins Across, Chink-A-Chink, and either Hanging Coins or I go into a Flourish impromptu bit...BUT what I have done is cut the # of coins from 3 to 4. Has anyone else tried this? And what do you think of using 3 coins vs. 4?
A few years back a fellow magi and I would get into the “Y’s” and “Y-Nots” of using 3 or 4 coins. He feels (I say feels because we have meet up after 6 years, THANKS TO MAGIC CAFÉ!!!) 3 coins dose not have the impact that 4 coins have. And I have been instructed to state that there are other reasons and we would like to know what others feel. Later & Out RJ PS I am very “Sorry” to anyone who did not get into Body English in Las Vegas last week. If you are going to be in Vegas in May or June let me know if you need show tickets or VIP Services. Any OC 21+ my next show is here: http://www.pimpnho.com/news/?IDX=image.output&NewsID=30 |
Daegs Inner circle USA 4291 Posts |
3 coin for routines(I like 4 for matrix/translocation/coins across though).
So 3 coin stuff for vanishes, apperences, and whatnot type of effects. I think 3 is a very interesting number in life as well as magic, is has a certain balance(3 points to define a plane, we live in 3d). Another simple reason is that with 3 coins, it is EASY to tell how many coins you have... if they are all together 3, if not then whichever one is making noise or if you see multiples, you know that is 2 and one in other hand.... I find sometimes with 4 if you have say 2 and 2 or whatnot sometimes its not as easy for a laymen to really have the impact... If it werent for the in-their-hand finish, I'd also use 3 for my coins across... The first coin is amazing because it came from nowhere... the second coin because it makes noise, the last because of the other hand's vanish... I don't like going from 3-1, 2-2, 3-1 using 4 coins since there are more phases where you have multiple coins making noise and whatnot and it can get confusing. I'm all for clarity of effect(i think if you are competent you can make the 4 easy to follow), but I find 3 is a better fit for 99% of coin work. |
Jaz Inner circle NJ, U.S. 6111 Posts |
Three coins simple shortens the routine.
The number 3 is a very popular and a somewhat magical number. Let's look at "Hanging Coins". In the basic routine three coins are hung but the fourth don't. The magic has basically ended at three. For "Chink-a-Chink" I too like the symmetry of four coins. For most coins across routines it's a matter of preference and depends on the previous routine and what will follow. |
Buddy_815 Regular user 153 Posts |
For Coins Across, Productions and vanishes I really like three coins. I don't mind using four though if the routine calls for it. It is allot easier however to use the Gallo Pitch with four coins and I do love that move. I know you can do it with however many you like but it looks really nice with four(two in each hand).
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Dan LeFay Inner circle Holland 1371 Posts |
Four coin routines seem to be motivated by the technical aspects and advantages the amount offers. Of course assembly type routines are aesteticly sound (and still offer 3 sub-effects, most of the time) and seem to be motivated on other things than the technical level.
I do both. But.... I've mentioned this before, I would not likely do 3 and 4 coin-routines in the same set. Simply because the implications of the one-ahead-principle look to obvious in my eyes.
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RJ Hunt Elite user Lakeland, FL 466 Posts |
Thanks for the feedback guys...a lot of different views. And I have to agree with all of you. Here is why I like 3 coins for; Coins Across, Hanging Coins, or ANY Assembly Effect and or Coins thru the table. Some of the best gaffed coin effects are based on 3 coins (Copper, Silver, Brass, or 2 Copper and 1 Silver and so on...) I am not saying that I "Fire Off" all these tricks at one table or for a group, in a strolling environment. BUT if I happen to be requested for a repeat performance and they want to see the "Coin Trick" again...I can introduce the 3 foreign coins instead of doing the same trick twice...I have found that as soon as the person requesting me to come back will 9 time out of 10 forget all about the first coin act and will be wanting to see something new and different...And yet it still plays along the 3 coin theory...going once...going twice...Gone!!!
Thanks Again for the comments RJ Later & Out |
Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Three coins and an amulet or magnet or marker or wand..
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Noel D Regular user 197 Posts |
Most magic is defined by the number three. like in that old sponge balls trick. the balls go back to your hand twice, the vanish.
Or in sankey's switch places aces, where the aces transpose twice, then change into selections. or like in, well, you get the idea. (and noticed how I stopped on the third example? coincidence? or not?) |
Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2006-02-27 11:32, Noel D wrote: With all the restpect that's due the idea... I happen to disagree. More likely the start of juggling. One in the hand, one on the way, one on the way back. Musical though not magical. One is what you hold. Two is what you can grasp. Three is the start of the path to more.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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wsduncan Inner circle Seattle, WA 3619 Posts |
Three is a nice number to start with but no matter what people say, it usually comes down to what is necessary for the effect to work. Roth's Folding Coins Across or FC Through the Table routines for example, simply don't work well if you cut the number of coins to three.
Coin assemblies, covered or uncovered, look better with four coins as Jaz noted. Those who have read Tubthumping might be amused to realize that Psychological Coins Across is a THREE coins across routine that uses an extra coin, but the audience gets to SEE the extra coin, so you don’t have to hide it as you do in many other routines that use the extra object (aka “one ahead”) principle. For many routines, one (visible) coin can be enough. For transpositions you need two coins and any more can get confusing. For productions you need at least two so you can load one while showing another. For coins across, two can be enough (Tenkai pennies anyone?). Trying to find one right answer is a waste of time. Find a routine that works and use as many coins as that routine uses. |
Eric Jones V.I.P. Director of Product Development 2101 Posts |
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On 2006-02-25 06:00, Sleightly_Dangerous wrote: I really guess this would depend on what the routine calls for. Guys correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there are two separate styles of magic with this kind of thing? You have the Roth-esque style where four coins are vanished or produced in the same manner. On the other end of the spectrum you have the Hooser style where three coins vanish in a progressively more visual manner. Guys, any thoughts on this?
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Rik Chew Special user 538 Posts |
If there's a routine I do with 4 coins, but the spectator only sees 3 (eg Dan Watkins' Sticky Coins), I like to produce four coins, and pick up 3 from the table and have a 5th coin palmed from the pocket. This subtely reinforces the view there are only 3 coins. Also I like to end Sticky Coins with the coins having to jumped to their other 'friend' on plain view on the table!
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Bill Citino Special user Doylestown, PA 837 Posts |
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On 2006-03-02 15:15, Godhandz wrote: I agree with you on this one Eric... I think it really depends on what the routine is calling for as well. The far majority of my routines use 3 coins, or multiples of 3 (Trading Places uses 6). The only routines that I perform that use 4 coins are my coin box routines, other than that all 3 is the magical number for me. I guess I'm more like the Hooser Style of magic where you have 3 coins, 3 phases, each phase gets better building upon the previous phase and then the last phase is the best of all of them. But to reiterate what Eric said, it really does depend on what the routine calls for. -Bill |
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