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Yes "Now you See it Now you Don't" got me started too. That was followed by the second "Now You See it.....". Unfortunately those were follow by years of being in and out of magic and buying tricks (instead of developing sleight of hand skill).
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This book looks really interesting. I think I'll pick it up next time I get some cash...
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Just thought I'd make all aware of a great deal I came across on the "Modern Coin Magic 4-dvd set" that mirrors the great Bobo Coin Magic book. A great offering at 50-60% off. You can't beat it and this is offered by the magi, Ben Salinas (a Café member here) that actually presented the work. The set is very well produced and just a wonderful coin magic reference. Smile Enjoy!

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I've received so many wonderful comment on my Modern Coin Magic DVD set from the Café coin magicians that I'd like to give something back.

The Modern Coin Magic 4-DVD set normally sells for around $70-$80. It's the perfect companion to J.B. Bobo's classic book. Now you can SEE what you've been missing for all these years. And it's perfect for the beginner.

I'm offering a limited number of my personal stock of these 4-DVD sets at just $35 for Café members. Here's the link to order your set today.

http://www.salinasmagic.com/moderncoin.html The discount is applied when you Add to Cart.

Thank you for all your support!
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Just a quick note to second (or third) the excellent suggestion that "Stars of Magic" should be one of the first books one should read. It just so happens that there's a new reprint of "Stars" being sold widely, so there's no time like the present.

Oh, and in case anyone's wondering, here's a suggestion from a fellow Café member and coin magician who's saving money by reading The Pocketbook by the warm glow of enlightenment:

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Upon advise of competent counsel, I ordered The Pocketbook and read it. From this point on, should anyone inquire as to how to start in Coin Magic, I'm telling them "First buy and read Curtis Kam's "The Pocketbook", then follow what it says.

Best information from a top coin man on how to learn and practice coins I've ever read.

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Since the title of this thread is Magic books and videos for beginners, I have another suggestion. (Bobo's is an absolute must, of course.)
Another good book, for BEGINNERS, is "World's best coin tricks" by Bob Longe.
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I would suggest to learn from DVDs and here is why

I agree with Marion that anyone starting with Ben Salinas' DVD set on Bobo will not get discouraged and save a lot of time (over the same book) but furthermore his subsequent study of books will be far more rewarding.

It's not always easy to visualize from a book, even with the nice Nelson Hahne's drawings how a sleight should look like.

Also some of the description in Bobo are obsolete either due to poor description I would mention the French Drop which is surprising knowing Bobo's origins (check The Vernon Touch in the Professor's book introduction; His getting into the Thumb Palm has disqualified this beautiful sleight from several generations of performers. Presto Change O: if you do it as described it is a catastrophe, do it as performed properly by Mike Gallo it's a miracle

In some other instances it's the choice of sleights that, in Bobo, would be obsolete like the click passes described in MCM, which go inwards. There are many better click passes than these ones.

There are also sleights which appeared later than Bobo's book like the Slydini's Imp-Pass, his Revolve Vanish, the Gallo Pitch, several Okito box moves, the use of the topit, the Muscle Pass...

Bobo is unarguably very valuable for routines but a student gets a faster understanding of the impact of effects by seeing them performed: admittedly he should see several variants of the same effect (and Bobo actually describes alternative routines.) A variety of style is not as well described as demonstrated by seeing different performers on the same effect.

I would recommend to start with Al Schneider's first two DVDs, then view Ben Salinas DVDs which supply a solid basic ground to build on but, every time you learn a new move, check the alternatives with Michael Rubinstein Encyclopedia of Coin Sleights which for most of it is very accessible and with David Roth Expert Coin Magic. At this stage learn the Classic Palm from Reed McLintock. Do a check point with Al Schneider's DVD to see where you got carried away with technical feats. Then get into Kaufman's Coin Magic which is a gem, Johnny Thompson Classics and Scott Guinn who will allow you to be very original without having to become fancy. Then view David Stone's routines (which contrary to a post do require a table for lots of them) and go into Mike Gallo and the New York Coin Seminar clan. Try and find COINvention Inaugural Collection. From there on you can check Troy Hooser's ideas. Then you will be able to appreciate Curtis Kam and Kainoa Harbottle's subtleties and apply them to David Neighbors ideas. Ross Bertram, Rocco Silano, Carl Cloutier, Fred Kaps, Bob Fitch, Bobby Bernard, Dan Watkins, Homer Liwag, Chris Kenner, Derek Dingle, Michael Vincent, Marion Boykin, Vinny Marini, Joe Rindfleisch, Eric Jones will then also be studied with great pleasure. Apocalypse will also supply its rich source of very interesting ideas and variations.

At that stage, it will be useful to compare routines to start making your own combination before starting to learn about scripting and acting. The series World Greatest Tricks by The World Greatest Magicians will come as a precious imagination and memory trigger for designing personal routines.

If one wanted to do this only with books (supposing he could) it would take him at least five years where here a dedicated student could become advanced in less than two years. An additional advantage, if the student is smart, is that he could pick up a great effect from a dull performer (the exist even amongst the skillful magicians) and make it a master piece or at least a reputation maker through showmanship and presentation. Now for what makes magic more than sleights and routines, just make sure you read Juan Tamariz (The Magic Way and 5 points in Magic) as well as Darwin Ortiz (Designing Miracles and Strong Magic) and Gary Kurtz (Leading with your head) before you commit yourself to any specific routine, and apply what these book teach you (that no DVD ever will).

I suggest my peers (in terms of age) not to consider the pleasure they had in discovering sleights or routines in books, but to reconsider their own habits and pleasure to supply the young generations with proper advice (without rationalizations).

Young magicians, you are luckier than we were, you have more information, more choice of routines and sleights and easier medias: soak in and learn as much as you can in the fastest possible time. Then however don't think that you know: design a first routine (eliminating any challenging gesture or text), write a script for it, and perform it on and on polishing your patter along the way.

Then come and show us that we are old dogs. Mickey Silver and Armando Lucero did it and several others as well. We love it but we have a trained eye, quiet moves, quick fingers and a big, big memory.
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Lawrence O, I agree with you and Mb both. When I started doing coin magic in High School, I started with Bobo's book. I loved coins but I eventually gave up because I was so discouraged from being able to understand what the book was explaining. For the most part I had things down like they were supposed to be. However, I missed out on some vital details that my eye learned from Ben Salinas' Modern Coin Magic. Now I have had to go back and perfect some of the sleights that I didn't have just right.

For a beginner: Give them Bobo's Modern Coin Magic book and Ben Salinas' Modern Coin Magic DVDs to accompany the book... and they cannot go wrong. This, in my opinion, is the absolute perfect combination for beginners. I have grown leaps and bounds by watching and reading these, rather than just reading.
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I do own Bobo's expanded edition in white paperback. I guess they were available at one time.
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I just start coin magic and I can tell you that Ammar's Complete Introduction to Coin Magic has been very useful to me. I also own Bobo's book but I believe it is unclear in some areas.
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I'm amazed by Diverting Coin Magic by Andrew Galloway every time I open it up. It's not a good first book, but it's full of essential 'workers' that are not difficult.

I do agree with some who have posted that, in general, it's better to learn coin magic through DVD, augmented by books, rather than the other way around.
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Yes, Ammar's Intro to Coin Magic is a pretty good deal, I remember it well and learned an awful lot from it. And he covers the basics well then gives you the tools as to simple enough effects to practice with. It all works well.

Bobo's is great but can be a bit confusing I agree but stick with it as it's a treasure chest that you don't really get up front...But it comes to mean a lot down the road apiece. Smile

There are many great books out there on this stuff, some more appropriate than others depending on where you're at as to skill and understanding. I think they are all meant to jumpstart your mind to trying things for yourself...At least that's what it did for me and many others that took us all from pretty much the same starting points but then off in many different directions and destinations.

The DVDs I think have been a tremendous help in the better understanding of this stuff. To me it's the difference between a staircase and an escalator. Smile It's all in the name of progress and make no mistake about it, it works. Books are still great and DVDs I think help to make them even greater.

*Oh and don't forget about coin magic "Downloads" (My preference of the lot)...Many times they are cheaper than books or dvds, and give you not only a manuscript but also packs a video presentation & explanation for an effect(s). It's another one of those real progresses made gigantically possible thanks to the internet. The immediacy of instant downloads brings this stuff right to you in a flash...You can learn a lot from them as well. Smile Welcome to the Café and enjoy the journey, it is one of continuous wonder. Smile -Mb
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I learned from Ammar, Bobo, Roth and Sankey. Ammar has some really easy stuff. Sankey revolutionary coin magic can be very difficult.
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The article at CoinVanish comparing Ammar's, Roth's and David Stone's beginner DVDs was really helpful. I just placed an order for David Roth's Expert Coin Magic (3 DVD set).
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I've never studied any type of magic before but have decided to pick up coin magic. This website was one of the first I found where people speak like adults and professionals. I'd just like to say this thread was an incredible help to me.

I started off buying Bobo without reading this website as it was recommended by Neil Gaiman in his book "American Gods", where the lead character learns coin magic while in jail. Neil had to study coin magic in order to write it convincingly and thus mentions Bobo's Modern Coin Magic.

I recently ordered MB's One Coin Jammy as I like routines and performances that don't use gaffed coins or props and can be performed impromptu. I was blown away with how awesome his presentation was firstly, but secondly I realised what I was missing! Of course, I'm talking about video.

I've picked up Ammar's Complete Introduction and instantly, techniques in Bobo's that I couldn't visualise or get to work through the description alone such as Mulholland's slide vanish, the drop vanish or the illusive coin pass became clear. His magical vernacular is much more accessible than Bobo's, which is understandable since Bobo was writing in 1910.

For those who suggested Kauffman for beginners I would wholeheartedly disagree. I've been practicing and studying for around 3 months, in which time I have a decent (but un-performable) grasp on basic sleights (minus backpalms, that's just plain tricky for me) and a few switches and passes I can play with in the mirror. Kauffman's Coin Magic builds on the basics and I feel like I would be able to tackle the material in there a year from now. I will still feel like a beginner a year from now but at least I'll have a had a year's practice!

My Bobo is heavy with bookmarks and sits beside a diary in which I make notes on sleights and misdirections that I enjoy watching or playing with. For other beginners out there, I would advise this approach as it really helps me stay focused on learning useful and workable material rather than "collecting" sleights on a whim.

Short version: cheers for your help, I am no longer a lurker. I have followed a similar progression path to the suggested path in this thread. You are all wonderful people.
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Just seeing this but WELCOME Keerin. Smile Seems like you have gotten off to a good start here. Hope all is well and let me know if myself or anyone from La Famiglia Magic can be of any help to you on your journey. Smile Appreciate your post here.

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I would have to say for someone just getting started in Coin Magic.THE MODERN
COIN MAGIC 4 DVD set is great!!!! More than 170 Sleights & Tricks very easy to
learn.

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Bobo's coin magic was my first book
I find that I learn better with dvds so the Modern coin Magic dvd set is also very good and Ben does a great job at showing some of the sleights I didn't get from the book.

Also I agree with otave. Dan Watkins has a great article at coinvanish.com that Helped me decide where to start as well. It helped me decide on buying David Roth's expert coin magic made easy vol 1-3 which penguin magic has on sale for about $37.50. now we play the waiting game!

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Oh and I just noticed Amazon seems to have a sale on The modern coin magic 4 dvd set for $29.99 USD atm.
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I know I am a fumbling apprentice at the moment but the stickies are sometimes craaaaaazy looooong! Can we update the Stickies like, lets say, once every 2 years or so? What would the consensus be today Dec 8, 2010 on what a starters kit for a total beginner, like me, should look like?
Imagine you where to sell a 2010 beginners coin magic course in a box. What would it contain(Under $50) A la Blasckstone's?

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I know I am a fumbling apprentice at the moment but the stickies are sometimes craaaaaazy looooong! Can we update the Stickies like, lets say, once every 2 years or so? What would the consensus be today Dec 8, 2010 on what a starters kit for a total beginner, like me, should look like?
Imagine you where to sell a 2010 beginners coin magic course in a box. What would it contain(Under $50) A la Blasckstone's?

Shamsiel


I'm not clear what you are referring to with the "stickies" or "Blackstone's". Yet, I think that there is not a single place to start with coin magic, and there are already some great resources. For my money, to learn sleights, a single DVD would be Ammar's Complete Intro to Coin Magic. If the person didn't want to start with sleight of hand, a book, like those by Fulves, may be good (but I don't have his SW Coin Magic).
Or, if someone just wanted to learn a few things about coin magic, they could start with Wilson's Complete Course, and have a lot of other magic to work with too.
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On 2010-12-08 00:09, shamsiel wrote:
I know I am a fumbling apprentice at the moment but the stickies are sometimes craaaaaazy looooong! Can we update the Stickies like, lets say, once every 2 years or so? What would the consensus be today Dec 8, 2010 on what a starters kit for a total beginner, like me, should look like?
Imagine you where to sell a 2010 beginners coin magic course in a box. What would it contain(Under $50) A la Blasckstone's?

Shamsiel


I'm not clear what you are referring to with the "stickies" or "Blackstone's". Yet, I think that there is not a single place to start with coin magic, and there are already some great resources. For my money, to learn sleights, a single DVD would be Ammar's Complete Intro to Coin Magic. If the person didn't want to start with sleight of hand, a book, like those by Fulves, may be good (but I don't have his SW Coin Magic).
Or, if someone just wanted to learn a few things about coin magic, they could start with Wilson's Complete Course, and have a lot of other magic to work with too.


Not sure about Blackstone's, but stickies refers to sticky threads. This one is over six pages long for example, so I can see what you mean shamsiel. A collection of stuff currently available as good beginner material may be useful.

I do not have enough experience to say what such a kit should contain, but Bobo and Kaufman's books have been quite helpful to me thus far, aided by looking on youtube for actual demos of some moves. Most of which are not great, but they do offer some insight.

Not having a credit card makes online purchases difficult, so I can offer no help on DVD's which I have found are difficult to find in South Africa. At least the more specialised coin ones.
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Some of you might remember the Blackstone Magic Kit from the 80's and other similar products. My question was, if any of you where to create a -beginers coin worker's magic kit- for under $50 bucks, what would you include inside? Bobo's book obviously...what else?

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Bobo's IS the "Beginners" Coin Magic Kit for under $50, way under $50. Smile

Seriously, of course Bobo's would be in the kit and perhaps a few gaffed effects to keep you interested as you futz through the better understanding of the sleight of hand stuff...Like perhaps Scotch & Soda, A C/S coin and maybe 4-5 regular half dollar coins and an English penny or two...And perhaps a half dollar shell. I think these few pieces would give you a real good start in coin magic. S&S and the C/S coin will give you some immediate satisfaction where the magic happens for you. The regular coins would help in the deeper learning of all sorts of stuff in Bobo's where the magic happens much more fruitfully through you. Smile

For the record, a good Beginners coin workers magic kit would be to get IMHO, the Bobo's book (about $10) + The Modern Coin Magic 4 DVD set (mirrors the famous book, about $20) + 5 half dollars, 1-2 English pennies, 1 dollar-size coin (about $5) + and maybe a half dollar expanded shell OR a C/S Coin (each about $15). Great use of the $50 kit to start and fly hundreds of miles forward in this stuff.

Of course you provide the time & effort and enjoy the journey! Smile
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I would second Marion (MB217's) thoughts on the Bobo book being a kit in and of itself, but I would save up and throw in an extra $10 and get the hardbound book (New Modern Coin Magic) rather than the softbound Dover edition (Modern Coin Magic) - the hardbound contains all of the softbound edition, plus much more. You will use it now and ten years from now and will never outgrow it.

As for video, if you haven't already perfected your CP, you might ask Marion sweetly and if you are lucky, you may receive from him out of the (substantial) goodness of his heart his classic p*** video - which will give you an incredible head start on that basic building block of coin magic (and, IMHO improve your existing CP even if you can already do it).

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Marion, Mb217 you have made my day! Thank you. I love the shiny things and I have a copy of Bobo's (my third book on magic) already. Got about ten half-dollars, and about 12-15 dollars (I had forgotten how big these things were!).

I will build
-Shamsiel's Essential beginners coin magic kit- (my first act of misdirection because in reality it is "Marion's Essential beginners Coin Magic kit"):
It Contains: (after Im done shopping)
1. Bobo's "New Modern Coin Magic"
2.Modern Coin Magic on DVD
3. Scotch and Soda
4. 2 english pennies
5. 5 half-dollars
6. 1 dollar-size coin
7. Half-Dollar expanded shell
8. C/S coin

Again, lots of thanks!
Respects,
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I enjoyed Bobo's Modern Coin magic very much, and still find myself reading it from time-to-time. I also though Bill Tarr's "Now You See it, Now You Don't" book on Sleight of hand. Although it cover more than coins, I think it is very good reading. Mark Wilson's book on Magic is a very good book for beginners too. It has a section on coins, and has much more to offer as well.

John Eddington


I saw a lecture by Bobo -- it's got to be 30-ome years ago -- and when I recently got back into magic, I walked into the shop and asked for the book to brush up and get me started again. It's a great introduction to coin effects and kind of encyclopedia.
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I'd recommend Harry Lorayne's 'The Magic Book' for any beginner to coin magic - even before the delights of Bobo are enjoyed.

It's certainly the book that initially got me interested in coins; albeit it at a very young/inexperienced age.

I only wish Harry would write a coin book - he could revisit the material from the aforementioned title and add an additional raft of coin magic from the 20 wonderful years of Apocalypse.

I did make this additional suggestion when Harry asked via the Magic Café for the 1970's books that people wanted to see included within the Classic Collection (Vol 2/3?) but I think it fell on deaf ears as he didn't comment.

A great shame - as, in my view, there is no better magical author.
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I'm completely new to coin magic, but a few years back I tried learning strictly from Bobo. I stuck with it for a while but eventually hit a wall because there was so much information to take in and I felt overwhelmed and didn't know where to start or what exactly I should be practicing.

I just decided to get back into it and recently started using David Roth's Expert Coin Magic videos and it's made it a lot easier for me to learn one sleight at a time and concentrate on acquiring that skill before trying to move on to the next one. Obviously Bobo's MCM is a great resource with a ton of information, but I think it's best to use it as a secondary resource instead of trying to learn everything strictly through text.
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If your working with Bobo I can't recommend the Ben Salinas 4 DVD set on MCM. IMHO the book should be packaged with Ben"s superb handling of the material. Read Bobo watch the video its working for me.

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