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Gerry Walkowski Inner circle 1450 Posts |
This 138 page soft cover book is extremely well produced and given the insane prices that self-published magic marketing booklets and CD’s fetch these days, this book is very reasonably priced. Throughout the book BJ Harris comes across as a nice guy. He has a warm writing style and offers his views, strategies, and marketing principles that have worked well for him and many others.
I have to be honest here and say that while there is a lot to like about this publication, there’s a lot that irritates me. Much of what BJ Harris covers is a repeat of what has been said before by countless marketing books and courses that have plagued the magic world in recent years. My question is, “Do we really need another book to tell us what most of us already know?” If you think you’re going to learn something incredibly new in his chapter on marketing tools, save your money. To give you an example, while discussing advertising in the Yellow Page Phone Directories never once does the author question if that medium is still valid in today’s tech-savvy world. Personally I’m finding (and so do many of magic friends) that more and more customers are relying less on phone directories in lieu of the Internet. Somehow, the author never broaches this topic. Other items like “Using Testimonials,” “Selling Benefits, Not Features,” and offering special reports like, “The 7 Biggest Mistakes Awards Night Planners Make, and How to Avoid Them!” have already been covered countless times in so many other magic marketing courses. I’m not saying you won’t pick up a few new pointers here or there, but the majority of the book will have a sense of familiarity if you’ve done your marketing homework and been working at your magic business more than five years. Another little annoyance is B.J. Harris’s subtle infomercials. Since Samuel Patrick Smith is the publisher, I felt the numerous plugs (Pop-up ads) for the Komedy Kreation crew’s products were just a bit too much for my taste. Had the author stopped there, I don’t think my review would have been so critical. But BJ Harris wanted to write a great book and this is where he runs into serious trouble. The biggest and most serious complaint I have with several sections of BJ Harris’s publication can be summed up in one word – PLAGIARISM. I don’t take plagiarism lightly and if you have any sense of decency you shouldn’t either. Plagiarism is unequivocally wrong and can’t be tolerated in any profession. So it’s here where I draw a line in the sand. On page 44 under the subheading, IF POSSIBLE, BE A LEADER, the first sentence reads, “It’s better to be first than it is to be better.” Gee, I wonder where I read that before. Why it’s the # 1 rule right out of Al Ries & Jack Trout’s famous business publication, The 22 Immutable Laws of Marketing. Never once does the author offer a footnote or credit Al Ries & Jack Trout for their ingenious marketing strategy. Instead, BJ Harris treats this topic as though he’s the clever creator of this marketing concept. Now compare Mr. Harris’s sentence to page 2 of Al Ries & Jack Trout’s book. Rule # 1 states, “Laws of Leadership - It’s better to be first than it is to be better.” On page 45 Mr. Harris also states that, “If you can’t be first in the category of a market, set up a new category you can be first in.” Once again BJ Harris has no problem stealing from the best in the business world by lifting Al Ries & Jack Trout # 2 rule directly from The 22 Immutable Laws of Marketing, again with no attribution. Compare Mr. Harris’s statement to page 10 in Al Ries & Jack Trout’s book. The # 2 rule states, “The Law of the Category - If you can’t be first in a category, set up a new category you can be the leader in.” Talk about paraphrasing! Apparently BJ Harris doesn’t think magicians read business books. So if you’re going to take material from Al Ries & Jack Trout, why stop there. On page 55 of Harris’s book the subheading reads, “Simply put, Marketing is a Battle of Perceptions.” Compare Mr. Harris’s statement to page 18 in Al Ries & Jack Trout’s book. The # 4 rule states, “The Law of Perception – Marketing is not a battle of products, it’s a battle of perceptions.” While BJ attempts to gloss over this by saying “many marketing specialist have defined marketing quite simply as a battle of perceptions,” what he doesn’t say is those marketing specialists are Al Ries & Jack Trout. Once again BJ Harris feels no remorse for taking another great concept from the great marketing masters without attribution. It’s the responsibility of the author and publisher to reference sources either in a bibliography or by using footnotes. Since this wasn’t done the author is inferring he is the creator of the material in this publication. The biggest problem is once you can clearly document plagiarism, it does make you question the author’s credibility and the rest of his work. Gerry Walkowski |
Gerry Walkowski Inner circle 1450 Posts |
Wouldn't you know it, I just found another example of BJ Harris taking more material out of Al Ries & Jack Trout's book, "The 22 Immutable Laws of Marketing."
On page 40 under the subheading of A Different Approach - Owning an Attribute, BJ says, "For every attribute, there is an opposite, effective attribute." On page 85 of the Ries & Trout book, Chapter 14 is called, "The Law of Attributes - For every attribute, there is an opposite, effective attribute." BJ even uses one of the same products, Crest Toothpaste, to illustrate his point. Crest Toothpaste is also used to illustrate the point in the Ries & Trout book. Gerry |
Gerry Walkowski Inner circle 1450 Posts |
Sorry, but I found a few more examples of BJ Harris lifting material right out of THE 22 IMMUTABLE LAWS OF MARKETING, again without attribution.
If you go to page 46 of BJ's book, STRATEGY & PERCEPTION, and compare his #1-#4 examples and his first sentence to page 3 and page 8 in THE 22 IMMUTABLE LAWS OF MARKETING you'll see where BJ has clearly lifted more sentences (word for word) from Al Ries & Jack Trout's book. This is just amazing! Gerry |
bjharris New user 20 Posts |
Hi Gerry,
BJ Harris here. I'll be honest with you...I've never posted on the Magic Café, and have only been here one other time. But, your post was effective! Word got back to me that someone posted something on here about the book, so I came to check it out. After doing so, I felt that it was only fair that I reply to your comments. In doing so, I will be very open and honest about the situation. First of all, I'd like to thank you for ordering the book and actually reading it. I can see that you've actually spent some time going through it, and I appreciate your kind comments at the beginning of your post. I also appreciate your honest review. I think the magic industry deserves honest reviews of the things that go into print...there's definitely an abundance of it! Let me first address the "infomercial" comment before I get to the plagiarism issue. This material was first written over two years ago when I was asked to lecture on the subject of business and marketing for magicians, at the S.E.A.M. convention when it was held in Chattanooga, TN. It was further developed the next year for Kidabra, a convention produced by Mark and Tami Daniels, a covention that most people are aware of. I lectured at their "Marketing Day," which was held the day before the convention began. It was at this convention that Samuel Patrick Smith looked at the book. Finally, yet another year went by and he emailed to ask about purchasing the rights to publish the book. I tell you this story, because I want everyone to understand that anytime another person's book was recommended, it was only because that particular book covered that subject in more depth than I was. For example, Steve Taylor has a set of lecture notes that goes into great detail on the Yellow Pages. Whether you find it relevant or not, I've received many questions on the topic. However, phone book advertising doesn't apply to my market, therefore I didn't feel qualified to write about it. Since Steve had covered it well, I referred people to that particular book. This was written FAR before Sammy and I talked. No one has to order the book, I simply stated that if it's a subject you feel is important to learn more about it, I offered a place to find it. The bottom line is, Sammy, or anyone else for that matter, had nothing to gain by mentioning any other books. Those were not intended to be commercials. I was only trying to help. In your post, you also made this comment: "Much of what BJ Harris covers is a repeat of what has been said before by countless marketing books and courses that have plagued the magic world in recent years. My question is, “Do we really need another book to tell us what most of us already know?” In response, the answer to that question is apparently "yes." When I lectured on the same material I presented in the book, people enthusiastically responded. In fact, some people made it a point to tell me that it was the best "business of magic" lecture that they had ever attended. I don't say this to be arrogant or in an attempt to brag. I'm just trying to state that this material has apparently helped people in a huge way, and I've received emails, letters, and testimonials from people in appreciation for sharing this material. Regarding the other marketing courses and books that are out there already customized to the magic industry, I can't comment on the material contained in them. I don't own a single one of them. In fact, when I went to put together this material, I stayed away from it all just for the sake of the reasons you stated...I wanted to be different. If you own the other courses/books, and noticed a lot of similarities, then it was simply coincidence. If the content overlapped, it's possible that the over lapse is due to the importance of the principles covered. There's one other thing regarding other people's writing. It seems as though you think that magicians actually read business and marketing books outside of the magic industry. If so, this simply isn't true. In fact, though I haven't read his stuff, I've been told that Dave Dee's entire business has been built upon Dan Kennedy's material, rehashed for magicians. The reason Dave is so successful at selling that material is because magicians don't read Dan's! Honestly, I'm with you. I think we should be reading everything we can get our hands on. But the reality is, it simply doesn't happen. The majority of entertainers read only that which is already customized to their industry for them. That being said, yes, very much of the material you read, originated from other books. In fact, I want so much for you to take my honesty seriously, that I'm perfectly willing to admit that you even missed some of the material. First of all, the material that you claim was plagiarized, didn't even come from "22 Immutable Laws of Marketing." I haven't opened that book in years. The material you referred to actually came from "Trout on Strategy." I went back and looked at the similarities you mentioned, and I'm surprised at how much of the writing in Trout's strategy book is lifted straight out of "22 Laws." I guess they took a lot of the material, reorganized it, added a little, and just repackaged the book with a new title. Anyway, back to the point. I repeatedly recommended and credited the books and authors whose ideas I discussed. None of the material was plagiarized. That would mean that it was copied word for word. You are however correct - some of the ideas are exactly the same. But, I'm FAR from the only person to ever talk about ideas written about by others. I could send you a long, extensive list of books that contain the exact same material, exact same ideas, and simply apply to them to their own field. And many of these books even use the exact same examples! Using an example of Crest toothpaste, just because someone else used it, doesn't create plagiarism. The bottom line is, nothing in this book was copied. And if anything is word for word, it wasn't even close to being intentional. My standards are higher than that. There are principles, methods, and even examples that were used, and phrased in the same way. But just because I said that "Marketing is battle of perceptions," and Al Ries said that "Marketing is a battle of perceptions," does not mean that I am a plagiarist and that my writing is not unique and helpful to others. Writer, after writer, after writer has done the exact same thing. I will however, accept your advice, (I'm very teachable, and far from perfect), and add some footnotes to the book. I wish I would have done this earlier. I'm not making an excuse for a lack of footnotes, I'm simply accepting responsibility. My fear in writing this post is simple: That people will think that I'm simply being defensive, and trying to make excuses. I'm posting on this board for the very first time because I care about my reputation, and to me, my reputation is far more important than the few dollars this book might make. To convince you of this, and share my heart openly, I offer one final, unknown example. When this book was first printed a few months ago, (the copy you probably have), the wrong files got sent to the printer. It was no one's fault really, just an unfortunate accident. It wouldn't have been a big deal, but there was some material in that old file that WAS actually taken from another speaker and author by the name of Jeffry Gitomer. I saw Jeffrey speak at a business conference once, and actually had the privilege of meeting him afterwards. After asking him a question about an idea he spoke of, he stated, "Oh, that's not mine. Lot's of people have talked about that." Well, to make a long story short, when writing this book, I had written some notes, and some of the sentences were exact, (they were written while reading his book). When my notes were transcribed, in this old file, some of the content had not been edited or rewritten, therefore the book was printed with a few sentences that were lifted straight out of one of Jeffrey's books. When I found this out, I wasn't comfortable with the idea that someone might read them, noticed it, and have a negative view of me. And even though I knew that 99% of magicians in America will never read Gitomer's work, and even if they did, not notice this particular paragraph, I made the decision to pay for every copy of the book out of my own personal pocket, and have the book reprinted. I immediately asked Sammy to throw away every copy, and have the book reprinted with the correct files and corrections. I didn't tell you that story because I want to seem like a hero or because I want you to be impressed with me, because you clearly already aren't. However, in an attempt to be open and honest about this situation, I wanted to share my heart so that people would know the truth. It doesn't matter if people disagree with me, or if we don't see eye to eye, but how people judge my character, is really important to me, and I do care about my reputation. I'd rather discuss things and work it all out, then just ignore and watch my credibility go down the drain. Gerry, I really do thank you for your review. I appreciate your sincerity, and sharing your thoughts with others, even if they were negative. I'll never make money by publishing a book for magicians...especially this one. And it isn't because of your review. I just know that at $25.00, (which is far from the amount that I actually receive), the book will never sell enough copies to give back enough money to pay me for the time and effort I genuinely put into it. Again, I genuinely thank you for your time. I hope that someday we can talk, or maybe even meet on much better terms. With respect, BJ Harris
Harris, III
http://www.HarrisIII.com |
The Great Smartini Inner circle 2280 Posts |
"The bottom line is, nothing in this book was copied. And if anything is word for word, it wasn't even close to being intentional. My standards are higher than that. There are principles, methods, and even examples that were used, and phrased in the same way." BJ Harris
I don't own either book but if the previous posts are correct and they state "word for word" giving title, author, page numbers then it would seem to be true. As an educator if a student were to provide the above as a response to their work being identical to something previously published they would receive an "F" grade. It's the responsiblity of the author to fully and accurately credit when other works are consulted or quoted. I would have been expelled for doing anything close to this when I was a graduate student. It would appear that Mr. Harris hasn't properly sourced/referenced these ideas. I'm curious if the author/publisher of these other books would be satisfied with Mr. Harris' explanation. |
HarbinJr. Elite user I only have 450 Posts |
Hey there BJ!!! havent heard from you or bout you in some time since you came thru Wichita, Ks many years ago and did your dove routine lecture!
For everyone else....Im rather suprised at you! You rip someone that wrote a book and maybe he did or didn't make some mistakes that's not my judgement call to make but BJ was kind enough to take responsiblity for what has transpired. Yet many of you go to all these other magic shows to watch the magician perform what may have taken this person years to perfect and you will have notebooks and pens ready and then take this information back home to incorporate that into your own shows. If you went after these people with the same fervor that your going after BJ then we may actually have more original acts out there instead of the copy cats as well as the ripped off props that we constantly keep seeing. I met BJ many years ago and he was of upstanding character then and Im sure he is now. I for one will prob go and buy the book just to see what hes saying and if there is anything that I can use to apply to my own shows. I wonder how many of you are willing to take responsiblity for your own actions the way the BJ has done? Yes Im sure there are many similarities but how many microscopes do you have out on this one book? To thine ownself be true! Robert Long P.S. BJ give me a call sometime down the road! It would be great to hear from you again! Take care! |
kenscott Inner circle 1869 Posts |
Having met BJ I would say he has tons to offer to entertainers. He is a young guy yet he is light years ahead of a lot performers his age. He knows the business for sure. I have not seen the book but so many of the marketking ideas out there are always recycled in lecture notes, books, etc.
Ken |
The Great Smartini Inner circle 2280 Posts |
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On 2006-02-28 21:28, kenscott wrote: It may be the case that material is recycled but when someone puts something into print with their name on it then they have a responsibility to properly and professionally reference their sources. To do otherwise is called plagiarism and is simply wrong. It makes no difference how nice the person doing it is. Wrong is wrong and in my opinion it shouldn't be supported. My reading of Mr. Harris' posts don't see him acknowledge or fully explain how identical wording shows up in both his work as well as another author. Smartini Smartini |
Gerry Walkowski Inner circle 1450 Posts |
BJ and others:
Looking I’m willing to admit that part of my review is just my opinion and we’re all entitled to own opinions. So if some magicians want to disagree with some of the things I posted, that’s fine. The biggest problem I had while reading BJ’s book is that I felt I had read some of this material before. To me some of the strategies in BJ’s book sounded too much like the work of Al Ries and Jack Trout. It was only when I pulled THE 22 IMMUTABLE LAWS OF MARKETING off my bookshelf that I began to notice striking similarities. On page 46 of STRATGEY & PERCEPTION BJ is trying to make a point and says: “What’s the name of the first person to fly the Atlantic Ocean solo? Charles Lindbergh, right? What’s the name of the second person to fly the Atlantic Ocean solo? Not so easy to answer, is it?” If you compare what BJ just said on page 46 of his book to page 3 of THE 22 IMMUTABLE LAWS OF MARKETING those 4 sentences are in the same sequence and are identical down to the last comma and question mark. Is that just a mere coincidence? I don’t think so. The first sentence on page 46 of BJ’s book reads as follows: “The second person to fly the Atlantic Ocean solo was Bert Hinkler. Supposedly, he was a better pilot even, using less fuel, yet flew faster. But who has ever heard of Bert Hinkler?” Now compare the above to page 3 of THE 22 IMMUTABLE LAWS OF MARKETING: “The second person to fly the Atlantic Ocean solo was Bert Hinkler. Bert was a better pilot than Charlie – he flew faster, he consumed less fuel. Yet who has ever heard of Bert Hinkler?” You have to remember, this is just one page from BJ’s book. O.K., let’s compare another page. On page 41 of BJ’s book he states “Since Crest owned cavity protection, other toothpastes avoided cavity prevention and jumped on other attributes, such as taste, whitening ability, breath protection, and even created an attribute of baking soda.” Now compare what BJ wrote to what Al Ries & Jack Trout wrote on page 85 in their book, THE 22 IMMUTABLE LAWS OF MARKETING: “Since Crest owned cavities, other toothpastes avoided cavities and jumped on other attributes like taste, whitening, breath protection, and, more recently, baking soda.” Look, I’m not going to spend my entire day comparing every single word in BJ’s book to the works of Al Ries & Jack Trout and others. If others want to do that, please help yourself. All I’m saying is once you spot plagiarism is does make you question the rest of the author’s work. Sorry BJ. Gerry |
The Great Smartini Inner circle 2280 Posts |
Gerry,
I commend you for sharing this information and I agree with you totally. To not credit someone for their work is wrong and in this day of cut and paste to often we make excuses. Plagiarism is not being honest. One of the previous posts mentions that magicians sometimes use other people routines, patter and many would argue that this is wrong also. I don't know how this can be controlled but this isn't the point and certainly doesn't make it right. Lots of people are doing it so that makes it legitimate? I don't think so. In print you must credit, reference, footnote, source your work. When you take entire sentences and passages you need quotation marks and these must have sources ie. author's name, date of publication and page number(s). It would appear that this hasn't been done and there is no excuse for it. My grade 8 students know this and they know the consequences of this kind of behaviour. The point has also been made that this is only a couple of pages...I too wonder how many other sources haven't been referenced. Plagiarism is dishonest. Smartini |
bjharris New user 20 Posts |
Gerry and Smartini,
Once again, I'd like to thank you both for sharing your comments. While most might post out of anger, defensiveness, or in an effort to debate, I'd like to simply post as a way of saying thank you. Naturally, it's easy for anyone to become defensive when something they put effort into is criticized, for any reason, despite if it's a good reason or not. I'll be honest, it's what I'm first tempted to do. However, I will be the first person to admit about what small career I've had, that I wouldn't be anywhere near where I am if it wasnt' for those people who have been willing to share their thoughts, wisdom, and criticism. That's why there's an acknowledgement section of the book - a section I obviously should have spent more time on. Naturally, I'd much rather have heard and read about this information in a format that was sent directly to me, and not posted for the world to see, but that's the way it is, and it's perfectly deserved. Again, I'm not going to try to make excuses, because there really aren't any, but in an effort to have nothing to hide, I'd like to simply state the truth. In the end, I'd rather this go down in the books as me being an honest person, capable of admiting my mistakes and moving on, even if that means I have those mistakes on my record. The good news is, I'm young, and maybe this will all someday be forgiven. I'm 22 years old. This book/material/whatever you want to call it, was first produced in note form about 4 years ago, for my own personal use to refer to during a lecture I was asked to give. It was expanded when I was asked to lecture again. I never had the intention of ever creating a book for magicians. I was asked, only after those two lectures, if I would be willing to make the material available in print form. Clearly, the mistake that I made was not being careful enough to go through my notes and clearly give credit where credit was due. I've seen and read countless others do exactly as I did, and therefore assumed it was fine. I should not have made the assumption that just because I see others' do it, that I can, too. Credit should have been given, and I thought I made an effort to do so, but I clearly have not, and more than anything else, have learned from this process. I realize that it's my own fault, but I'm not educated in the writing process. I wasn't a fan of school growing up, have forgotten most of what I was taught, and never took any writing classes during the 2 or 3 years I gave college a try. For the most part, I don't have a formal education. I definitely didn't go to graduate school. However, I've been very successful at what I do, and am at the top of my market. I've simply learned from experience, other people, and the books I continually read. I stated in my very first post that I wish I would have done a better job at crediting people, and also including footnotes. None of the things I wrote in the book were deliberately copied. They were my own notes, and four years later, got printed for everyone to see. I should have been more careful. Again, this was far from intentional. I can promise you that 99% of the book, (I thought 100% originally), originated from my own writing. And while that writing was original, it was learned from other people who taught it to me - including other authors. I hope that the original material in the book will be trusted, as it should be. At the same time, I can understand why one would question the credibility of an author, based on a couple of a pages. I would probably do the same. The bottom line is this: We learn from experience. And since I don't have any experience in the writing field, this has been a gigantic time of learning. I realize it's not my strength, and that will definitely affect my decision-making process on whether or not to write in the future. Again, I thank you for your honest feedback and reviews. I only wish this could have been dealt with in a different manner, and I am embarrassed by the fact that I have impacted my reputation in a negative way. I have already contacted the publisher of the book and asked that it be removed from the market, and have humbly offered to pay for all the costs that were involved in production. Most of all, I hope that I will be remembered not by my past mistakes, but my willingness to admit them, move on, and create a better future for not only myself, but the art of magic as a whole. Humbled, BJ Harris
Harris, III
http://www.HarrisIII.com |
The Great Smartini Inner circle 2280 Posts |
Mr. Harris,
I appreciate what you've tried to say and how you've tried to say it. I'm still surprised that someone who, as you indicate goes to college for at least two years, doesn't understand the importance of paraphrasing one's notes and keeping track of your sources. As I indicated in one of my early posts, this process is something that is taught in high school and might fit under the category of "When will I ever need to know this stuff?" Many students ask this question of their teacher and it would seem that know you know. Smartini (but only in character name) |
bjharris New user 20 Posts |
That's why you're the teacher, and why I'm still a student.
Harris, III
http://www.HarrisIII.com |
HarbinJr. Elite user I only have 450 Posts |
Ok
BJ has apologized many times over and yet you all still have to have your pound of flesh. Have you seen this guy? This guy is skin and bones right now and I don't think he has any more flesh to give ya. Its interesting how when someone apologizes you all have to still jump all over that person like a pack of dogs to a three legged cat. Oh I better reference where I got that line or Im sure that Ill be the next target. I got that line from Jeff Foxworthy. Now why don't you all find someone else that has more flesh and not that much scruples and go get a few pounds of flesh out of them! Robert |
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On 2006-03-01 17:08, HarbinJr. wrote: Robert, This is a site for reviewing books and since Mr. Harris is a published author his work is fair game for critique. I've read previous posts on the rehashing of marketing/business material and came across this thread and felt the need to comment. That's what a forum such as this is meant for. It's meant to have open and honest discussion and debate on matters that are important to the magic community. Accordingly, are we to assume that you're in favour of people not referencing their work or would that only apply to certain people...as in those you like. I gave Mr. Harris credit for coming on the Café and not ducking the issue but I still don't feel 100% comfortable that someone who has taken courses at the 2nd year university/college level doesn't understanding the importance and appropriateness of plagiarism. It also appears that you don't appreciate the seriousness of this. Using other people's scholarly work without permission (and for profit) leaves one open to potential civil liability. He might consider reviewing this material to ensure that all of the material contained is all his and that no other mistakes of this type are present. Smartini ps. I wouldn't readily admit to using material from Jeff Foxworthy LOL |
Glenn Watson Special user 781 Posts |
It looks like Mr Harris was wrong.HE admitted it. He is sorry.He has Taken steps to correct the offence by canceling his book.He is paying to cancel the book ,so he makes no profit.
Admitting a mistake isn't that common but trying to correct the mistake is rare.Mr Harris has done both and that isn't a bad reputation to have. Glenn |
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On 2006-03-01 20:59, Glenn Watson wrote: Glenn, I couldn't agree with you more...in this day and age of deny, deny, deny and then only accept responsibility when you're backed into a corner is more of the norm. I totally respect that Mr. Harris came to the Café and answered the questions that were posed to him in a humble, respectful and open manner. We've all made mistakes in our lives and one can only hope that we have the strength, courage and conviction of character to respond likewise. Thank you Mr. Harris for this example. Smartini ps. I'm a teacher but will always remain a student...I learn things from students that I could never learn anywhere else. |
Gerry Walkowski Inner circle 1450 Posts |
BJ:
Considering the situation, your corrective action plan seems very sincere and most appropriate. As far as I'm concerned this topic is over. I think it's time for all of us to move on with our lives. Gerry |
Creative Coach Loyal user Anderson, SC 294 Posts |
BJ Harris has corrected his mistake and owned up to the responsibility. It shows his true character. I think it's time this matter was closed. All of us learn lessons in life. I'm sure BJ has grown from this situation.
Best of luck to you BJ! All The Best! John Cooper |
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