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TKD27 Elite user Wallingford, CT 458 Posts |
Hi all - this is my first post to the Café, though I've been lurking for a little while.
I just recently started getting into magic, and I have a question about my Invisible Deck. I'm afraid that asking and answering might border on exposure (but since anyone can Wiki Search Invisible Deck and find out how it's done, is that really so bad?)... but I'll try and keep it as clean as I can. Please PM me is your reply can't be posted here, and mods, feel free, as always, to edit if I come to close to exposure... My question is this: The effect starts off with the deck in the box - it has one indifferent joker, which may be covering either the *v**s or the **ds... assume it's the latter. If the selected card is an **d... doesn't that screw everything up? Is the only way to pull it off to know which side the joker is on, and, if need be, pull the deck out without the joker, with the proper side facing the spectator? I hope that makes sense... I'm trying to be sensitive in what I write, plus I'm a bit sleep deprived at the moment (something I've been much more since discovering this wonderful hobby ) Thanks in advance for any help --Matt
Connecticut Kids' Magician, Matt Matthews (formerly known as Matt The Balloon Man)
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Daegs Inner circle USA 4291 Posts |
Throw the joker away... just put one side towards the flap and the other on the crescent and pull it out on correct side.
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Joey Stalin Inner circle Canada 1072 Posts |
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On 2006-03-18 03:42, Daegs wrote: Exactly. It would become habbit to know what is facing what side of the box.
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Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
It is written in the instruction.
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magicHart Special user Las Vegas, Nevada 548 Posts |
As you continue to develop and further enjoy this wonderful hobby, you will discover that part of your practice routine will be to find a method to "set" your props in such a way that everything will be automatic in performance.....allowing you to focus on your presentation. Have fun!!
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swtrocks Loyal user Los Angeles 206 Posts |
I've always found that the Ace of Spaces on the cover of the box means the **d cards.
By the way, how do you guys get the spectator to tell you what card it is? A lot of times when I ask they say something like "I'm not gonna tell you" or "Why do you need to know?" Is there any way to subtlely allow them to name the card they chose out loud without drawing suspicion? Thanks Steven |
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Charlie Justice Inner circle Mount Dora, Florida 1142 Posts |
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On 2006-03-18 13:31, swtrocks wrote: Don't ask them to tell YOU the card. State: "Right now and for the first time, tell everyone, outloud, the card you are merely thinking of". The viewing audience is now also expecting an answer, not just you and thus reducing the possibility of being challenged. It makes them less prone to recruiting the audience into their 'test the magician' adlib. People tend to comply more readily when everyone is now depending on their response and not just the magician. |
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fvdbeek Elite user 490 Posts |
Or let them write it down an read it out from the piece of paper yourself.
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Patrick Differ Inner circle 1540 Posts |
I wouldn't toss out the joker. I had one person say that card exactly. I was lucky I had it.
Play with it some more. Read the directions again. You're on the right track. Now you have to work it out for yourself.
Will you walk into my parlour? said the Spider to the Fly,
Tis the prettiest little parlour that ever you did spy; The way into my parlour is up a winding stair, And I've a many curious things to show when you are there. Oh no, no, said the little Fly, to ask me is in vain, For who goes up your winding stair -can ne'er come down again. |
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scorch Inner circle 1480 Posts |
No need for asterisks here. They don't fool anybody, and they just make your posts harder to read.
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wsduncan Inner circle Seattle, WA 3619 Posts |
Is there a reason why you couldn't put a joker on each side of the pack and leave one behind when you take the pack out of the box?
Every pack of cards I own comes with a least two jokers so you should be able to find a spare if your ID only came with one. |
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Geoff Williams Special user St. Pete Beach, FL 617 Posts |
Throw the jokers away. Have the "odds" facing "out" (away from the flap side) which is easy to remember.
Because of the patter I use during the opening phase ("...a complete deck...52 cards...no jokers...") they can't pick the joker. Geoff
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wsduncan Inner circle Seattle, WA 3619 Posts |
Having the Jokers allows you to do a nice subliminal display of backs by taking the cards above the named card and flashing that back, and then turning over the selection with the hand that holds the remainder of the pack allowing a back to been seen (where it should be) on either side.
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Daegs Inner circle USA 4291 Posts |
I hate to say "don't run when you aren't being chased" because I love subliminal touches, but really they are unneeded with this effect... I've never had anyone question the deck... they see all the faces and see the back of the one they chose, the backs are never in question imho....
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Tim Sutton Elite user Tim Sutton AIMC, London UK 461 Posts |
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Check out Bill Malone's 'Standing Ovation Invisible Deck' routine from On the Loose DVD Vol 3 tim |
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Marco S. Inner circle 1017 Posts |
I never use the joker. People rarely name this card if you ask me. If they did, you could say jokers are not part of your regular deck or you are phrase such as Geoff`s.
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KaydoWhoa New user Keystone Heights, Florida 90 Posts |
Just buy the deck and find out for yourself how you like to handle it
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Patrick Differ Inner circle 1540 Posts |
To joker...or not to joker... that's what this has become. Alright, then.
I really like the subtle touch as described by wsduncan. I don't think it is "running while not being chased." I perceive it more as "consistant evidence", as no mention of it is made to anyone whatsoever. It's the line that everyone sees and nobody really looks at. It isn't running, it's walking with purpose. When I'm in this very neighborhood, I really really love being able to allow anyone a truly free choice of any card whatsoever in the deck, and this includes choosing the joker. Giving anyone this unlimited absolute freedom of choice allows them an absolutely free and uninhibited use of their imagination and that's something I consider vital to magic. Put tersely, it ain't my job to limit them...my job is to free them. Ergo, the joker will remain in mine. Do as thou wilt with yours, friend.
Will you walk into my parlour? said the Spider to the Fly,
Tis the prettiest little parlour that ever you did spy; The way into my parlour is up a winding stair, And I've a many curious things to show when you are there. Oh no, no, said the little Fly, to ask me is in vain, For who goes up your winding stair -can ne'er come down again. |
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Larry Davidson Inner circle Boynton Beach, FL 5270 Posts |
I've performed ID tons of times and have had people name the Joker very rarely. If someone does, it's not a problem because I simply give the audience a blank look like I've been stumped, which gets a laugh, and then I say, "Sorry, I removed that earlier," and pull the Joker out of my pocket, which gets another laugh because it lets the audience know that not only have I not been stumped, I'm prepared. It fits my performing persona where I frequently "mess" with the audience (in a fun way), plus it's very easy for me to do because the Joker's already in my pocket as part of my Carlyle Homing Card routine!
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Justin Hepton Regular user Surrey, in the UK 136 Posts |
Just a quick suggestion,
a nice easy way to remember the orientation of the cards is to place the *dd facing cards so they face in the same direction as the side of the bicycle box with the two circles on it - they look like two letter "o's" after all. That might help, its how I do it! Justin
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