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Ivan Hamaric New user Croatia 94 Posts |
[quote]On 2006-04-25 10:30, kamus wrote:
Thanks for your comments Dean. Well I'm certainly not a fan of Blaine but one must give him credit for some of his accomplishments: i.e. raising magic awareness, revitalising street magic and casting aside the tuxedo and spring flowers image in favour of something that engages the MTV generation.
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oombob Special user Canada 843 Posts |
Blaine's magic posters are really wonderful. His book "Mysterious Stranger" was an extremely entertaining overview of the history of magic. Brought me back to being a little boy and leafing through historical magic books at my library. I love his new website... embracing the classic and the contemporary. As a graphic designer, I appreciate the quality, intelligence and attention to detail in all things Blaine related.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
I don't think Blaine re energized the public's interest in magic as much as he attracted a different demographic to it. I have nothing at all against him. His shows promote magic.
But his last special would have been more effective if he had been able to hold his breath a little longer. That was kind of like blowing a card identification on national television with no "out." As it happened, David Letterman reported, "David Blaine failed to break the World's Record for holding his breath underwater, but he did set a new record for being the world's biggest dumb ass." That's not good publicity for the art.
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FredNarlo Loyal user Been waiting for John Dough for the last 282 Posts |
Very True Bill! But...(I can't believe I am sorta defending David Plain here)...Letterman would have found some smart-butt comment to make if he broke the record anyway. To be honest, the stunt - no matter if you break the record or not - is sorta dumb.
Just the attempt at the stunt starts to make one wonder if you are playing with a full deck. |
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phaddad2 Regular user 171 Posts |
I am not a fan of his style but I love the fact that he has made magic cool for the 15 to 18 year old crowd. It has made it much easier for me to book high school shows and when I get there I perform one or two of the tricks David does than go in to my own sets and the kids love it. Thanks Dave! (I don't like to watch him or Chris Angel but their shows are not aimed at me)
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Art-Fantasy Regular user Australia 169 Posts |
Simon Lovell and Haywire have the best opinions on this one. People who compromised with others and always think positively of others even they are not worth it are generally happier people anyway.
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Simon Lovell V.I.P. 506 Posts |
Art-Fantasy,
As the famous saying goes, "Treat others as you wish to be treated yourself" Thanks for understanding! Simon |
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MagicbyCarlo Inner circle has squandered his time making 1062 Posts |
Hey Simon, your points are dead on. I was never that big a critic of David Blaine, but recently I got on my high horse about Criss Angel. Some comments I made were less than kind and most very critical. Well to make a long story short, I was so wrong about Criss that it was embarrassing! I even felt so awful that I printed a public apology on the Café and Genii forum.
Magicians are a weird and often childish bunch (who else would engage in playing at being powerful beings? Okay maybe television evangelists too.) I have heard the argument that Blaine used dealer items to make his first special and how lame and weak that was etc. More true is that he showed how powerful the things we take for granted can be! I doubt many of Blaine’s or Angel’s critics truly understand what it takes to create and sustain a television special and build a real career in magic outside the local market. I’m sure a certain amount of envy plucks the strings and certainly people are entitled to like or dislike whatever they want, but as you have said, we are also bound to show respect for other practitioners of our craft. Certainly bashing other performers lacks the appearance of dignity and I think we are so caught up in our ability to openly publish our opinions that we fail to understand that these words are available to everyone and once printed have become part of the public consciousness. It’s easy to criticize someone without understanding them, in fact it’s easy to hate them, after all isn’t hatred based on ignorance and fear? Every person that has had a television special in the US (Copperfield, Angel, Nu, Blaine, Barry) seems to become the target of critics, who could do it better, pick better material, have a better personality, not use stooges, not use vapid celebrities, etc. Not that they’re not entitled to grouse, hey that’s what makes the internet the clearing house of ideas it is, I have just decided to be more judicious and responsible in my own comments. While I doubt that these words, your or mine, will reverse this practice. Perhaps a light will go off in the minds of some overly zealous critics that hit the key board before the credits are even done rolling to point out all the flaws of the most recent TV special.
Carlo DeBlasio
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Art-Fantasy Regular user Australia 169 Posts |
Well said, Carlo.
magicians who bash other magicians are insecured, no matter what the excuse is. If you are not a fan of David Blaine. don't make a big deal out of it. If you do not like him or you do not like his presentation in magic, no worries. whatever makes you happy, really. But, in the end, it is your choice to respond and to act and take full responsibilities if other magicians do the same to you as what you do to other magicians, period. |
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
David Blaine is un-ethical. I would bet Mark Wilson is not a fan either... I could be wrong.
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Simon Lovell V.I.P. 506 Posts |
Carlo ... very well said ... it takes a lot of courage to say you are sorry and I applaud you for that!
magicfish just how is David unethical? I fail to see that point at all. By the way, you are wrong, Mark Wilson likes David very much. Simon |
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magicbern Inner circle Hong Kong, China 1220 Posts |
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On 2006-08-15 13:41, magicfish wrote: Why do you question Blaine's 'ethics'??? Also what's it got to do with MArk Wilson who popularised magic at an earlier time...To my knowledge, Blaine hasn't published a book full of tricks and made it accessible to the general public. I don't see any extensive crediting for all the tricks in the Mark Wilsn Course too...so is this 'ethical'??? |
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
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On 2006-05-30 13:01, Simon Lovell wrote: :) |
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
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On 2006-08-15 20:34, magicbern wrote: Seems I am mistaken... Simon points out that Mark likes Blaine. I stand my my original staatement, though. You see, Mark Wilson worked hard for years to convince home viewers that what they were seeing on TV is exactly what they would see in real life! Mark Wilson made magic work on tv. Blaine exploits the viewers' assumption of no camera trickery- this is highly unethical; David Blaine makes home viewers believe that he is capable of doing things that he would never be able to do in person- this is unethical. Blaine also indirectly exploits other magicians code of ethics... let me explain. When laymen find out I'm a magician they often bring up David Blaine. They ask me how he does things that he doesn't "really" do. Of course I would never expose magic methods. But also, my code of ethics prevents me from telling them, " Blaine doesn't really do that stuff... its all editing." Mark Wilson spent decades convincing people that magicians don't use camera tricks... and now Blaine is cashing in on them. This, in my opinion, is highly unethical. Magicfish |
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crdshark86 Loyal user Los Angeles 238 Posts |
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On 2006-05-08 16:30, Simon Lovell wrote: completely agreeable simon. Many people bash Blaine because they are jealous of his success. Many people want to put him down because they are not as successful. Im not saying Im david blaine's biggest fan, but if he made it this far, all the power to him! don't get me wrong, everyone has their opinions and I respect that. however, I feel that his success should not get in the way of others. don't bash him without a reason. that's all I'm saying.
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crdshark86 Loyal user Los Angeles 238 Posts |
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On 2006-05-31 15:58, airship wrote: True! mostly everyone knows who David Blaine is so if you ask someone to see a card trick, they usu. say- oh ur like that david blaine guy! I don't know what I rambling about, but I'm sure its got a purpose!
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
See my post above.
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meyegr Special user Only able to muster 800 Posts |
I just came across this Blaine thread. Up front I am not a big fan either.
Is it OK to 'bash' (I'm not real sure of the defintion here) in this type of forum where it is moslty magic people? I do not talk about my displeasure with even my non-magic friends out of respect for the art (that is a questionable term also). I get tired of being told I am insecure with my magic. To me THAT is a real cop-out of a reaction. David has definetly helped himself and magic in his popularity, but also has 'cheapened' to the magic community the magic that is performed by many. I have similar issues with others in the public eye, being that what they do is not what I call a magic performance, but more of a theatric performance. |
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gaddy Inner circle Agent of Chaos 3526 Posts |
David Blaine has nothing but good things to say about his mother. He makes her sound like she was a saint. That is very commendable, the idea that one person can inspire another to such great heights.
...and that trick where he eats the coin? That's just mind-buggling! How does he do that!?!
*due to the editorial policies here, words on this site attributed to me cannot necessarily be held to be my own.*
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johnnyimpossible Loyal user Omaha, Ne 244 Posts |
I think Blaine amd Angel are like anybody else. They are just portraying a character. In the last few years, some of the material has been fairly disappointing. One problem with it is the fact that the magic on tv is just a little bit too good. It ****es me off when they use stooges etc. I understand that all magic tricks are a farce, but I have little appreciation for the performances when the conditions are false. It gives a false impression of what that performer can pull off anytime, anywhere. Unfortunately for us, some of the wiser laymen see right through it. I think it makes us all look bad.
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