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deputy
Special user
USA
996 Posts
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Posted: Jun 2, 2006 4:09pm
Any information on this? Is this like a M5 kind of thing? Thanks.
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sailorphil
Regular user
103 Posts
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Posted: Jun 4, 2006 12:08am
I am a Magic Shop owner that Darryl performed this effect for.
It is everything mentioned and more... it is that good
Is it worth 250 dollars? In my opinion, absolutely YES!
Phil
kwmagic dot com
Posted: Jun 4, 2006 8:49pm
I will buy one for myself and I already own the Raven X2, The M5, and a PK Ring.
As for in the store I will wear one regularly and here is my logic.
It can act in many ways as any one of the above items so I could easily demo many of the above effects with it BUT IT CAN DO a whole lot more, which none of these others could ever do!
Every magician in the store, that has viewed the BW in action. wants one. This is not a joke. I get calls every day. Is it in yet? Is it in yet?
We already have a waiting list in the store of magicians wanting this item because Darryl came in to the store and was demonstrating it after shooting footage for the DVD that comes with the BW.
The Black Widow is an incredible innovation and in my opinion very reasonably priced. Don't try to compare it to 40 and 50 dollar gimmicks. It is not in the same league. It is also, in my opinion, NOT for beginners.
If you are a working walk-around pro you will want to use the BLACK WIDOW.
I can give you this partial review:
It will take practice, you will not just put it on and perform it immediately, you will need to set it up for your person and practice, it is very practical but you will need long sleeves, effect is mind blowing, no reset, reasonably priced for what it is, from what I saw of the DVD it is very thorough.
Phil
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daffydoug
Eternal Order
Daff could give a rats butt that he has
11388 Posts
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Posted: Jun 4, 2006 9:01pm
This sounds very promising...I am going to have to save and scrimp for a long time..but it sounds SO appealing.
The difficult must become easy, the easy beautiful and the beautiful magical.
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Tim Trono
Inner circle
1098 Posts
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Posted: Jun 5, 2006 2:20pm
I hope I can offer some clarification about the Black Widow. Obviously I can't give too much away. But, if you've ever been uncomfortable with pulls or holdouts and being stung up you won't have that concern here - it's extremely simple and user friendly. It's about as complex as putting on your socks. It is very James Bond like in its workings. The possibilities are really endless. The biggest challenge will be to not OVER use this device. There was consideration and discussion as to actually showing the device in the advertising as we were so confident that people would be intrigued by the workings that that would in fact help sales. However, we decided against that in fairness to the purchasers who would most likely prefer to be able to fool their fellow magicians and keep the details a secret. It also runs the risk of just being exposure.
The Black Widow is very practical.
We are hoping to have a clip in about a week or so.
It won't be ready for about 3-4 weeks so hopefully this post won't get out of hand with speculation prior to that. Be aware though that each units takes a while to make so if this is something that you feel you can use - don't wait too long. I am told they can only make about 75 units per week max. The initial group is actually complete but they are working on the instructional DVDs now.
From my perspective this is the kind of elegant James Bond device we are all looking for in a device like this. Hope that gives some insight without giving away too much.
Tim Trono
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tbaer
Inner circle
Pennsylvania
1625 Posts
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Posted: Jun 5, 2006 9:18pm
Sailorphil, if you don't mind answering this question, is the Black Widow something that will last a life time. I just want to make sure it's not something that needs replaced from time to time, thanks. Tom
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sailorphil
Regular user
103 Posts
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Posted: Jun 5, 2006 9:45pm
Hey Guys
Will it last a lifetime ? - with proper care it will last ( it is NOT a plastic toy ) - it is a precision gimmick, that has truly impressed me. The quality of the parts excellent and an top notch "magic" machinist was involved - so I assure you that it is well made. I am generally very hard on props, and known for over pulling, turning and stretching just about everything I own... if the Black Widow can survive me you will be fine, just remember it is precision and care should be used with it.
Phil
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Jimmy Y
Regular user
108 Posts
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Posted: Jun 6, 2006 12:53am
I understand that a long sleeved shirt or jacket is required, but can I roll up my sleeves before, during or after the move?
Nice to meet you 
Jimmy
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sailorphil
Regular user
103 Posts
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Posted: Jun 6, 2006 6:54am
Rolling up your sleeves is not recommended.
Phil
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mistifyed
New user
84 Posts
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Posted: Jun 8, 2006 12:11am
Any questions?
I'd be happy to answer them with out exposure of course. PM would be appropriate.
No question is a bad one. Just some questions cannot be answered do to exposure.
I will do my best.
Thanks,
Darryl
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The Doctor
Loyal user
Gallifrey
265 Posts
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Posted: Jun 8, 2006 9:41am
I have seen the Black Widow device and it is truly a mechanical marvel device. This is not as clumsy or as random as a Raven, but is a more elegant device from a more civilised age. I don't think you folks will be disappointed with it.
Posted: Jun 8, 2006 2:32pm
I've seen it, trust me on this. Paul showed it to me at the end of last year. It's a lovely piece of work.
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sailorphil
Regular user
103 Posts
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Posted: Jun 9, 2006 9:59am
The amount of noise created is all in the way you use the BW - some objects do "talk" more than others and I have found that changing my hand motion can reduce the noise to nothing.
The change is instantanious and as you get better with the unit you will be able to do the change in one clean sweeping action without hesitation over the spectators or your hand.
Reproductions are very possible.
Angles are a problem with most tricks - the BW is no exception although by lowering you working "table" ( back of hand, spectator's hand, table, your own hand etc... ) - you can pretty much perform surrounded. I am not saying that this will eliminate all angles but it will help when performing for a larger group. As long as the spectator is looking down.
I should mention "THE BOX" can be viewed from any angle without fear of exposure!
Phil
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Chance Wolf
Inner circle
Chance Wolf
2247 Posts
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Posted: Jun 12, 2006 11:28pm
WOW! Just watched the demo! That is pretty *** cool!
5 stars from Wolf's Magic!
Chance
Creator of Wacky Wolf Productions & Fine Collectibles
A DECADE of building Magic and we're just getting started!
http://www.wolfsmagic.com
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mistifyed
New user
84 Posts
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Posted: Jun 13, 2006 1:09am
Sorry again Fellas. The edge of the sleeve(s) have nothing to do with it.
that's just my leather jacket. And I had this Jacket way before I started performing. With respect to all I am a working Pro and you need
to sit back and really watch the preview clips as a laymen and realize just how
powerful and truly magical the effects are.
Take this as a professional tip. After All, you are mainly performing
for laymen Right!. Although, I have truly burned every magician
with the effects the Black Widow can produce. NO JOKE!!
All they have said is "Where can I get One" every single time.
There is nothing GLUED to the edge of the sleeve.
Nothing at the edge of the sleeve. You can slide the sleeves part way up
and show nothing there. You can take playing cards up there.
You can retrieve, load the hand with items, steal or switch one item for another
in the hand. Steal , vanish, restore items in the spectators hands.
You are looking to burn the sleeves . All those shots in the preview are what
your spectators see. Like I said before, you are so clean you don't need to wash your hands with soap, or your for arms. You can fairly slide up the sleeves and
Show the fore arms of each arm. Nothing to be seen. This is all taught in the set up segments of the Instructional DVD that comes with the Black Widow System.
Your looking way to close at the wrong area.
Keeping the peace.
Darryl/Creator "Black Widow"
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jimesw
Special user
578 Posts
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Posted: Jun 17, 2006 3:54am
The demos are found here:
http://www.kwmagic.com/
You will need Quicktime to view them.
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mistifyed
New user
84 Posts
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Posted: Jun 17, 2006 3:06pm
Go to http://www.theblackwidow.ca
There are two links for the clips.
There is a third link under the first 2 that states it is for people who have a mac computer. If you have a mac system. Use the "Mac" link.
Darryl
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sailorphil
Regular user
103 Posts
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Posted: Jun 20, 2006 1:42pm
The box is 9.5 inches x 7 inches x 3 inches.
so you know, it would have to be a very small watermelon.
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Review King
Eternal Order
14448 Posts
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Posted: Jun 22, 2006 10:40am
It's got Paul Harris's name on it as an endorsement, so I'm thinking one someone sees this in action, we'll be wondering why it went for less than $500.
Key points to remember:
The black Widow is a sleek, compact, mechanical device that can be comfortably worn throughout the day under your jacket, long sleeved shirt, or sweatshirt.
The 30 second set-up is very simple, with just a single organic anchor point.
Incredibly easy to operate. Just move your empty hand forward and backward.
Instantly resets. It’s always ready to go.
Can also be used to vanish and produce objects on a spectator's hand.
Also includes effects using playing cards, business cards, and a driver's license.
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been"
..........John Greenleaf Whittier
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Christopher Williams
Inner circle
Plymouth, UK
4270 Posts
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Posted: Jul 4, 2006 3:36pm
Any review on this yet? Im very tempted, bit its quite a bit for just a Utility as people are calling it. I know many working pros who have a whole act that costs less than this
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http://www.magicman13.co.uk/blog.php
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Mehtas
Inner circle
England, UK
1624 Posts
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Posted: Jul 4, 2006 4:08pm
Quote:
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On 2006-07-04 15:36, Christopher Williams wrote:
I know many working pros who have a whole act that costs less than this
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Well Said,
Says a lot about the market today aimed at Wannabies.
For a hobbyist its an expenssive toy. as a pro you want to double your investment, OR get back what you've paid for it.
A Magazine is a bunch of printed pages that tell you what's coming in the next issue.
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LBP MAGIC
Veteran user
364 Posts
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Posted: Jul 4, 2006 5:02pm
Looks good.
I will get this. I guess I am a working pro wannabie huh????
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Christopher Williams
Inner circle
Plymouth, UK
4270 Posts
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Posted: Jul 4, 2006 7:20pm
Quote:
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On 2006-07-04 16:08, Mehtas wrote:
Quote:
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On 2006-07-04 15:36, Christopher Williams wrote:
I know many working pros who have a whole act that costs less than this
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Well Said,
Says a lot about the market today aimed at Wannabies.
For a hobbyist its an expenssive toy. as a pro you want to double your investment, OR get back what you've paid for it.
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Magic is an expensive hobby. I am lucky I turned my hobby into a profession years ago, however, though I say I know many with a whole act for less, sadly mine isn't :s. My close up act is worth probably over $1000. that's the annoying thing about having expensive taste.
To a layman, the Raven X2 accomplishes the same effect. Sleight of hand, can create the same effect. When telling people about this effect, the laymen wont describe word for word what happened. More of, he took a dice, and waved his hand over it and it changed into a coin etc.
www.magicman13.co.uk
http://www.magicman13.co.uk/blog.php
Keep up to date with news in the Magicman13 Blog!
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Steve V
Inner circle
Northern California
1879 Posts
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Posted: Jul 4, 2006 7:29pm
Who is selling this and isn't it a hold out with a special feature?
Steve V
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Chad Sanborn
Inner circle
my fingers hurt from typing,
1850 Posts
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Posted: Jul 7, 2006 9:44am
What does "single organic anchor point" mean?
Chad
Modern Magic...Classic Style
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Xiqual
Inner circle
Upper left quadrant
3816 Posts
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Posted: Jul 7, 2006 10:02am
Quote:
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On 2006-07-07 09:44, Chad Sanborn wrote:
What does "single organic anchor point" mean?
Chad
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I know, that is so silly. Ummmmm...... your arm? Does your suit have to contain natural fiber? What about cotton/poly blends? Would 50/50 be enough?
Still with the Chinese circus 
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Mehtas
Inner circle
England, UK
1624 Posts
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Posted: Jul 7, 2006 10:04am
Quote:
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On 2006-07-07 09:44, Chad Sanborn wrote:
What does "single organic anchor point" mean?
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That's what you pay $250 for 
A Magazine is a bunch of printed pages that tell you what's coming in the next issue.
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Dr Spektor
Inner circle
The frosty North
8868 Posts
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Posted: Jul 7, 2006 10:16am
Its where you staple your long-sleeve to your wrist
"They are lean and athirst!!!!"
www.carcosa-collection.com
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Mehtas
Inner circle
England, UK
1624 Posts
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Posted: Jul 7, 2006 10:42am
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Its where you staple your long-sleeve to your wrist
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Ouch
A Magazine is a bunch of printed pages that tell you what's coming in the next issue.
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sharpace
Loyal user
227 Posts
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Posted: Jul 7, 2006 11:47am
I heard it will available today, anyone got it please post a review. Thanks
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ruijorge
Loyal user
215 Posts
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Posted: Jul 7, 2006 1:01pm
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On 2006-07-07 11:47, sharpace wrote:
I heard it will available today, anyone got it please post a review. Thanks
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Hello,
No, they won´t be avaiable today. The DVDs aren´t ready yet.
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jfkkraemer
Elite user
SoCal
481 Posts
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Posted: Jul 7, 2006 4:17pm
So when is it going to be available????????????
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