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eize
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Does anyone have this book?
Is it good?
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It IS good. In fact, anything by John Riggs is good and you would do yourself a favor to read all his works.
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John Riggs is a must read.
He has many strong and practical ideas.
Real world mentalism.
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Allow me to add my endorsement to John Riggs' books. All are worthwhile and all are on my bookshelf.
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I own a few of Riggs books and Fat Free Mentalism is great. I love his work.
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It is a great book.
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You won't go wrong with anything from John Riggs...ANYTHING !

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John Smetana Smile
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Do yourself the favor, and buy his CD - it has eleven (thirteen?) of his books, and, as has been said by the others, his material is well worth it!

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Thanks everybody; I will buy it.
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HN Review 44: Fat-free Mentalism – John Riggs

AD:

Mentalism for those who don't like to carry a trunkload of props. Strong mentalism requiring little or no props, the modern day approach to the art. Contents include Your Show, Gimme a Number, PWO Total Prediction, FloraRiggs, Information Steal, Cards of Desire, Q&A Prop, I Am!, The 30 Minute Walk-On Act, I've Got Your Number Too, How to be a Smooth Operator, Business Card Business, Centering Your Thoughts, Name and Sign Killer, Centers for Readers, Last of the Spike Tricks, The Art of the Read, Body Reading, and Q&A Another Way.

REVIEW:

Innocuous mental magic tricks. Chapter 1 includes a few effects with the Ostin Clip (talk about direct mind reading! “The performer brings out a prediction secured in a bulldog clip”..... man....) Chapter 2 describes some combinations of well-known methods, while part 3 is dedicated to psychic readings – straight from William Sheldon’s body typing principles.

Overall rating: weak

H.
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I happen to disagree strongly with Harvey. I think anyone interested in practical, real world mind reading methods should own Fat Free Mentalism and John's other excellent book, Heavy Mental.

I own them all, and wouldn't part with them if someone held a gun to my head.

Just my opinion -
Ben Cummings
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Fantastic book. All of his work is fantastic.
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I hope the world believes Harvey's review.
I don't want anyone else reading John's books but me!
Ted (Leondo)
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I don't agree with Harvey at all. I have all of Riggs' books and they are good and practical.

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I have all of Harvey's reviews, and would consider trading them for a shelf full of Riggs' books. Any takers?
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Interesting thread. Eize asked for a review of a specific product, and he received the following information (mainly from the PEA lobby):
- anything by John Riggs is good
- John Riggs is a must read
- Allow me to add my endorsement to John Riggs' books
- You won't go wrong with anything from John Riggs
- wouldn't part with them if someone held a gun to my head
- all of his work is fantastic
- I don't want anyone else reading John's books but me!
- I have all of Riggs' books and they are good and practical

Those comments look like caricatures, and do not help at all in the evaluation of the requested book.

I own Fat Free Mentalism, and I find Mr. Nerzoff’s review very specific and accurate: chapter 1 is indeed devoted to Ostin clip effects (which are pretty far away from the concept of real mind reading, this is quite a fact), chapter 2 deals with simple mental magic tricks combining classic principles, and chapter 3 is a mere description of the body-typing principles developed by Dr. W. H. Sheldon in the 1940s.

Claiming that Riggs is a wonderful man or that his apartment is tastefully furnished does not help a potential buyer, especially if the comments come from his friends.
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I bought all of John Riggs' books at full price. I owe him nothing. I will not say anything is good if I think it isn't, even if my mother wrote it. I might remain silent about something I don't like, but will not endorse anything that I don't think is good.

So, Highmagic, I resent your accusatory and erroneous innuendo. To put it bluntly, you are dead wrong about me.

Secondly, who said the Ostin Clip effects are far away from real mind reading? Did you make that up? You are entitled to your opinion, but when you represent your opinion as "fact" (your word, not mine), I think you do us a disservice.

In Fat Free mantalism, John shows how to take what seem to be ordinary items, walk on with them in your pocket and do a full 30 minute act with them.

This kind of show, for the general public, is excellent.It might not play well for magicians or mentalists, but they aren't who is paying me. The paying general public likes the stuff that is in FFM. I speak from performing experience.

As far as the rest of John's books go, it is well to read them as they give us part of a well rounded education in mentalism. It is only a part of the whole, but a necessary part, in my opinion.

Harvey has the right to his opinion and I have the right to disagree. And I beleive that I did so as a gentleman.

Your hinting that my opinion is based on anything other than the merits of the books is wrong. As I mentioned, I buy everything at full price so I CAN give my honest opinion.

Please remember that, Higmagic, when you include me or my comments you your accusations, implied or other wise.
Thank you.

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highmagic and Harvey, I totally agree with you. It has nothing to do if I agree or disagree with your words, but this is how a review should look like. thank you for the time you put into it.
Trinity, is seems that when you are angry you manage to write a good review too, so I thank you for your time too.

Talisman , Israel
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Hi Nimrod.
It is a good book.
A lot of stuff to use and a lot of tips.
Everything I read from John was great.
That's why I became his friend.
But that's not the reason I am writing.
It is because it is good stuff.
I am sorry that I don't think like some of the people here but at least you know me
and you know who I am.
Very hard for me to read a review from an unknown person )(good or bad).

Lior ({{{{{ Smile Smile 41)
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I'd like to play Devil's Advocate here, if I may.

This type of derailed argument has *always* fascinated me.

My daughter *hates* carrots. I *love* carrots.

Question. Are carrots good or bad?

It depends on who you ask, correct? Let me explain...

If you ask my daughter if you should eat carrots, which way do you think she'd influence you?

If you asked me, what way do you think *I'd* influence you?

Pretty elementary, I think.

Now, which of us two is MOST accurate? Are carrots good or bad?

Is one of us MORE right than the other?

My point is this. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Harvey and Highmagic don't like Riggs books. Others say his books are great (including me).
What I *CAN'T* understand is how the logic of having friends make comments OR members of the PEA have anything to do with it?

Should those of us who know John *not* post comments?

Do ALL PEA members post positive thoughts? I think not. Are you saying that the PEA endorses products by members that suck? Again, I doubt it.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not defending the PEA. I'm not a member, but I am a friend of John's.

I'm open to being wrong. But to me, it sounds like there's folks who don't like to have their critiques critiqued. And that's fine with me.

All I want to know is, are carrots good or bad? Who ya gonna believe?

Answer? Find out for *yourself* and make your *own* decision. Then you'll have the right answer... for *you*.

How's that for modern day Zen?

Enough from me. I'm gonna have a carrot right now... right in front of my daughter! Smile

Devilishly yours,

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Finally something interesting to read. Smile

Good point Mr. Robertson...

Humbly

Kuffs
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I'll add my two and a half cents: I own most of John's books and a couple of his impression devices. So far everything I've gotten from him has been highly valuable to me. There are several things I'm planning to include in my future sets that came out of his books.
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While I own many of John Rigg's books (including Fat-Free Mentalism), I find that I use very little of his actual routines or ideas in my mentalism repertoire. However, his creativity and unique approach are inspiring and very useful in getting me thinking more creatively about my own work.

I certainly recommend his books and know they will provoke many to think about what they do in an entirely different way.

Incidentally, I second Greg Arce's recommendation of John's impression devices -- these I use all the time with great success.

(BTW, I hope my membership in the PEA isn't held against me or my opinion on this matter.)

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Why would it be held against you?

It is an honor to be recognized by one's colleagues as accomplished enough to merit membership.
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An unasked question.

I've read with some minor interest the comments of those who think that this is a good purchase. But I've not read the "Whys" of their reasoning.

I am looking for some ideas that I can use. The question was asked, a negative review given, in the midst of several complementary comments about Riggs' materials in general.

How about a specific reason that FFM is good, to counterbalance the review that seems to pan it?

If anything it would remove the taint of personality issues that cropped up.
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Because this is an open forum I will be putting my review in the Inner Thoughts section.
Greg
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I myself have my share of Mr. Riggs books. I think most of my postings have been far and honest. Recently, I have been very sick and in fact my end up under the knife--which will make for some interesting patter, but that is for another time.

Mr. Riggs offers you a lot of real world material, he does not offer you armchair theories--like many of the items in say, Mind, Myth and magic (I know I am opening up can of worms there), Armed with the 13 steps, PMM, a few of Bob's better works and John's material, one would not need to buy another book and could make a rather nice living at it.

John's book do tend to repeat effects, which is a drawback, but overall it is not that bad. Mr. Riggs tends to lean towards the less complexed in methods, which I review as a good thing!

Yes, the PEA tends not to talk bad about their members, but that does not take away from Mr. Riggs material. I do not think it a crime to speak well of a friend and his product. Unless one is willing to cite a problem with the material in question.

I like Riggs stuff and I think most will get something out of it.
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Put me on the band wagon of John Riggs books. I am not sure why an Ostin clip is regarded as a simple magic trick. David Hoy, someone who claimed to be "real" a times despite his famous opening line used an ostin clip for his famous vodoo doll routine and drew great gasps.

IN his books, John will give you great advice that will enable you to look "real", yes you may find some mental magic in there, but I don't think there is anything wrong with mental magic if that is what you do. It is about entertainment. Having said that, John will also give you plenty of effects to look "real" and nothing can be stronger than walking into a room and performing out of our pockets "fat free" so to speak. Hence the title.

I agree that if you are going to pick this one book up, you may as well purchase the cd and get all the books, everyone will find something and everyone will also find something they do not like, and that is how it should be if you are offering, and that is how it should be.

In my thoughts, you can't go wrong purchasing John Riggs material. Lot's of working pro's use his items and ideas so there must be something there Smile Of course this is just my half a nickel talking. If I get time this week I will try to post an indepth review of what is in this book, no promises.

Looks like there already is an indepth inteview in the inner thoughts section and boy, anyone looking at it can see there is a lot in this book. From an entire show, to tips and tricks on Q&A and lots of other really great ideas.
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[quote]On 2004-06-14 23:22, Banachek wrote:
I am not sure why an Ostin clip is regarded as a simple magic trick. David Hoy, someone who claimed to be "real" a times despite his famous opening line used an ostin clip for his famous vodoo doll routine and drew great gasps.

[quote]
I use a vodoo doll and if the routine of David Hoy is public I would love to look at Mr. Hoy's use.

People some times move away from me when I show this...they are that amazed. But, I feel a need to present the effect better.

Sincerely, secret

p.s. what is the ostin clip?
sincerely, secret
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I have Fat-Free Mentalism and I must say that I like it. Is it GOOD stuff? It depends - as always - on what you want. The 30 minutes act for example in this book is in my eyes excellent. Well, if you want brand new, spectacular magic, then you are maybe wrong here. If you want solid things that you CAN perform, then this book is for you.

It is true that you don´t need a lot of props for these miracles. Why do I like it? Because you can work with it. You don´t use fancy stuff and devices, but you use "your mind" (and simple other things) and you can perform amazing stuff.

Now you must decide.....

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