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CAROLINI Special user 607 Posts |
In keeping with todays poker popularity my intro is to say that I am banned from all poker tournaments.I say this as I false shuffle a deck chosen by the spec from a handful of decks from various casinos. I cut the deck and then let the spec cut. Then I let the spec deal two cards face down to me and then two face down to himself followed by five cards face up as in a poker game. I then proceed to tell him that I will win or lose based on my ability to know what cards he is holding.
Everyone enjoys it. The deck is in s* st*****s order. |
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Griff Loyal user Florida 285 Posts |
Hey guys, where can I find Swain's Poker Interchange? Also, is this a demo that deals with Texas Hold-Em? I saw him do a poker demo at a book signing and really liked it. Not sure what it is called... Thanks,
Griff |
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Ken Abbott New user 100 Posts |
I believe Poker Interchange was in a column last year. I forget if it was MUM or Genii
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Steven Conner Inner circle 2720 Posts |
Del Ray also did a wonderful poker demo. While it is not in print, one can duplicate it with some effort.
"The New York Papers," Mark Twain once said,"have long known that no large question is ever really settled until I have been consulted; it is the way they feel about it, and they show it by always sending to me when they get uneasy. "
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The Game Regular user Israel 180 Posts |
Hi
I learned Lennart's poker deal which is easy to perform, but then I saw Darwin's Ultimate Card Shark from "At The Card Table" and I think it's superior. First you locate the aces, then you deal 4 of a kind to 4 spectators and you get the 4 aces (I use bottom dealing, not Darwin's handling which incorporates riffle stacking) and then you deal 4 bridge hands and each hand has all the cards in that suit arranged from king to ace. I think that even if you don't know how to play bridge nor the spectators, the rearrangement of the deck is amazing IMO. P. |
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Jeff Inner circle Orlando, FL 1238 Posts |
Tom Frame has a Texas Hold-em Poker effect called "No Limit". Unfortunatly for most, it is only available free on the TSD (The Second Deal)website. Perhaps one day he will release it in a set of lecture notes.
In the meantime check out Rusduck's "The Cardiste" for tons of poker routines. This manuscript is available from Peter Duffie at http://www.peterduffie.com. Jeff
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tomcards Elite user San Francisco 403 Posts |
Guys,
My effect, "No Limit" appears in my 4th One-Man Parade in this month's Linking Ring magazine. Enjoy! Tom Frame |
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Jay Elf Elite user 466 Posts |
Hello.
I'm interested. Before enjoying, who is the cover of LRM? |
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tomcards Elite user San Francisco 403 Posts |
Phil Willmarth
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tgplano Special user Ted Gillam 614 Posts |
Tomcards,
Loved that trick, and for that matter, all of your others also. I've already ordered the dealers button. Also liked your sense of humor. Would love to see more of your material. Very nice, Ted
Mentalism for the Metroplex
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Jay Elf Elite user 466 Posts |
Thanks Tom.
I'll check it up. |
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tomcards Elite user San Francisco 403 Posts |
Ted,
Thanks for your kind words. Tom |
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Dennis Loomis 1943 - 2013 2113 Posts |
Simon Aronson has not one but several Poker demonstrations built into the Aronson Stack. Earlier someone mentioned one of these (any poker hand called for dealt) but there are many others to choose from. They are all explained in the book "Bound to Please." Simon built a great bridge deal into the stack as well. While you may not use it often, when you run into a bridge player this is excellent. And, it's not hard and you don't need to know much about bridge to use it. After the stack was built, someone discovered a fine black jack demo you can do, and Simon tips that in Bound to Please as well.
Very recently, Sterling Dare came up with a good Texas Hold'em poker deal that you can do with the Aronson Stack. Thanks to Mr. Dare's generosity, that one is explained on my web site. (URL below, then click on the mem-deck area.) Also on my site and duplicated on Simon's site are my adjustments (I hesitate to say improvements) to Simons killer three phase poker routine. If you want to do Poker deals, the Aronson Stack is your one-stop shopping center. Dennis Loomis
Itinerant Montebank
<BR>http://www.loomismagic.com |
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The Amazing Noobini Inner circle Oslo, Norway 1658 Posts |
Very interesting to learn about the other Aronson Poker deals. There is only one on the DVD I have (Routine Maintenence on Sessions With Simon 3).
The problem with a Poker deal where every hand is great is that it's just too impressive. It doesn't seem believable that you shuffled the deck into that. I still like the Lennart Green Poker deal which is similar, mostly because his handling of the cards is so incredibly disarming. So instead of doing Routine Maintenence which retains the stack order, I think a great alternative would be to use the Aronson Stack (if you already happen to know it, that is) with a Green'ish reveal of letting the spectator first choose which hand should be the great one and let them concentrate on that until the comic escalation follows. Not having to retain the entire deck order will allow fair shuffling of half of the deck and it can follow several other stack effects which will make it seem more impressive than simply pulling out a new deck and shuffling it a couple of times and then deal the hands. Now I will have to check out this Three Phase Poker routine!
"Talk about melodrama... and being born in the wrong part of the world." (Raf Robert)
"You, my friend, have a lot to learn." (S. Youell) "Nonsensical Raving of a lunatic mind..." (Larry) |
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churken Regular user California 199 Posts |
I want to mention that Dennis Loomis has taken the three phase Aronson Poker Demonstration to another level. It is great. Look for it on his site.
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The Amazing Noobini Inner circle Oslo, Norway 1658 Posts |
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On 2007-07-11 14:23, churken wrote: Sounds great, but I need to read the original version in the book first, right?
"Talk about melodrama... and being born in the wrong part of the world." (Raf Robert)
"You, my friend, have a lot to learn." (S. Youell) "Nonsensical Raving of a lunatic mind..." (Larry) |
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Dennis Loomis 1943 - 2013 2113 Posts |
To Noobini,
Yes, you'll want to have the Bound to Please Book handy, although you're welcome to visit my site (Or Simon's) and check it out anyway. You may get something from it. I've often said that having this one routine in my repertoire makes memorizing the Aronson Stack worth while. But, in fact, you really don't have to memorize the stack to do this routine. You will need to have the deck set up in Aronson order, and you'll need to start at the right place. A couple of things are facilitated if you have the stack memorized, but you don't really have to. As to the "Too Perfect" poker deal. The final phase of Aronson's Routine is exactly that. It would never fly at a real poker session. However, I think my patter turns it into an advantage as a demonstration. This is a three phase routine and as I'm false shuffling the cards before doing the last phase, I say: of course, in poker, it's no good to have the only decent hand. There just won't be any money to speak of in the pot. So, you need to give some of the other players good hands, too. What I'm going to do would certainly never happen in a real poker game, and if it did the dealer would probably be shot. But for the fun of it, here's what just might happen at that Saturday night poker game where five players are playing draw poker. And then you deal five hands. Two guys get full houses, one with a draw and one on the deal. One guy gets four of a kind, another opponent gets a flush and you demonstrate how you cheat on his behalf and make it a straight flush. You, of course, win by getting a higher straight flush. (The Royal.) The first part of the demo is a stud poker deal, then you do the ten-card poker demonstration. (You can do as many phases as you like. I think Harry Lorayne does about twenty. No... really.) And the last phase is the draw poker deal. Of course, you can do any of these as a stand-alone effect. This routine does destroy the stack, but it's so strong, it's worth it. And, you can do the MANY other tricks possible with the stack before you do this. (Ones which don't destroy the stack.) After three or four different effects during which the deck is shuffled several times, small packets are shuffled, etc., no one can possibly think that the full deck is stacked for this demonstration... but it is. Thanks for your kind words, Churken. I honestly think that most of the credit goes to Simon for the original routine. My additions are worthwhile, but I was standing on his shoulders. (And he was standing on the shoulders of so many other magicians who created the various little bits and pieces which he combined into this routine and a full deck stack.) Dennis Loomis P.S. Simon has invented a LOT of card magic. Much of it doesn't even use his stack. When he shot the DVD set, he just couldn't do everything. He had to pick and choose, and he chose to just do one poker routine. He could have done a whole DVD of nothing but poker deals. Maybe he will some day.
Itinerant Montebank
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The Amazing Noobini Inner circle Oslo, Norway 1658 Posts |
Great post Loomis! Sounds very tempting this. I guess I simply have to order Bound To Please and take it from there. (I have realized that I'll never be able to finish one book before skipping to the next anyway. Probably just as well to follow wherever my curiosity and the forum threads take me.)
BTW, by "too perfect" I didn't mean that it wouldn't fly at a real poker session, which of course it wouldn't. I meant that you sort of do very little preparation and then have a ton of good poker hands all exposed at once. Too much result over too quickly after very little shuffling action. The Lennart Green version has a nice surreal side to it since he drops half of the cards and it is clear to anyone that what they are seeing is impossible. But for those of us who want to do a strong Poker deal without simply copying Green's style, a three step version sounds like it could be more paced way to go. Actually, one of the best Poker deals in my opinion is simply taking a shuffled deck, culling a hand to the top while talking and then faro-stacking it for a simple game in which a chosen player has the only good hand. It feels strong perhaps because it actually is real without any setup. And it seems more probable since there is only one prepared hand. But that too is over a bit too quickly. It ends before it really gets to be a proper magic trick.
"Talk about melodrama... and being born in the wrong part of the world." (Raf Robert)
"You, my friend, have a lot to learn." (S. Youell) "Nonsensical Raving of a lunatic mind..." (Larry) |
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Dennis Loomis 1943 - 2013 2113 Posts |
Thanks, Noobini. I suppose there is no "proper" approach to a book of magic tricks. I have purchased a full book just because a routine in it was recommended to me and I wanted to check it out. Some times, the book has languished on my bookshelf for quite a time before I went back to it and discovered the many other gems hidden within. We all enjoy learning about magic and I "play" with a lot of tricks. It's fun. I may do them for a few friends or at the magic club, but not very many of them make it into my actual performing repertoire. When someone hires me, I generally stick to the tried and true material which I know I can't screw up, which will get a good response, and which has gotten me repeat bookings in the past. There are things that I do only rarely, like the bridge deal with the Aronson stack. But, knowing it's there, and just waiting until I happen to discover that a spectator is a bridge player makes it worthwhile knowing.
Do I recommend that you buy Bound to Please? Absolutely. I've got a pretty good price on it, but you can probably get it from your local magic shop, and certainly from any number of dealers. You can buy it directly from Simon. There's a ton of great stuff in it, and it certainly is the logical jumping off point for anyone that wants to begin working with the Aronson Stack. And yes, I agree with your clarified explanation of the "too perfect" effect. I would never, ever, just take out a deck of cards and do the wonderful Aronson Draw Poker deal. (Except for another magician that just wanted to see it.) You have to work with the deck in play. False shuffle it from time to time. Do other tricks during which spectators get to mix or shuffle packets or the whole deck. Remember a single spectators riffle shuffle can be returned to full deck order right in front of the spectators. (See Eric Mead's Tangled Web book.) And there is no more convincing shuffle than letting a spectator shuffle the cards themselves. Then, if the circumstances are right, and with the spectators just knowing in their bones that the deck is completely mixed up, you do the Poker Deal. I guarantee that the spectators will credit you with great skill. When in fact, you're just pretty sneaky. I truly admire Lennart Green, and I consider much of his stuff to be out of my league. And his Poker deal is truly a thing of beauty. You're right about how dropping the cards is a wonderful throw off. And you will have made a fine selection if you choose to learn it. No doubt. As with all magic, you must choose good material and material which fits you. Do things that you like and which impressed you when you first saw then, and it helps to motivate the practice time necessary to get them into your repertoire. But, first really investigate the various possibilities that you have. With Poker deals (and most card routines) there are just tons of possibilities. But look at, study, and work through several ones that are highly recommended before you settle on one. Better yet, use elements of several routines and put them together to suit yourself. While I do Simon's Three Phase Poker Deal as my main poker deal, I don't do it exactly as Simon created it. Churken liked my changes... which is nice to hear, but you may not. Simon liked them enough to seek my permission to put them on his site, but I'll bet a lot of money that Simon still does it as he originally created it. It fits him and that's what counts. Best to all. I'm going to get to spend the better part of Saturday watching Boris Wild shoot his new DVD at L & L. Over fifty years in magic, and I still get excited about watching magic. Dennis Loomis
Itinerant Montebank
<BR>http://www.loomismagic.com |
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edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
Dennis, you have good stuff on your website. I would have to interject here and say that Nick Pudar also has great stuff on his website. The combination of your website, Nicks blog site, and Aronson's website is more than enough to get the mem-deck worker on his way.
All are great websites. If you are truly interested in doing this type of work then this is where I would begin.
Magic is a vanishing art.
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