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DJP Veteran user London 391 Posts |
Dear ALL,
I am considering purchasing the Apocalypse series by Harry Lorayne but I am really wary about buying it as I have heard it is rather out of date and explains tricks rather basically?! I am quite an experienced cardician and have read RRTCM and ECT and many other books regarding presentation and psychology of magic and I am looking for something exciting for the Christmas holidays. Is this going to be a bit basic? I am looking for something which isn't all about gambling routines involving second deals. I know this series covers all sorts of magic, but does it cover the psychological aspects of the magic or is it rushed. i.e no tips for presentation or sleights explained? Please, could you help me out with this? Dave Prior
David
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negrette Regular user Washington, DC 178 Posts |
I've recently acquired the first volume of the Apocalypse series, and in my opinion, it is very worthwhile. It is a collection of the Apocalypse magazines, which when it was published, very renowned magicians contributed their personal favorite tricks to. There are some really great tricks here, and I've only had time to briefly flip through it. I'm sure many others will agree that this is a series well worth obtaining. Yes, the tricks are old because this magazine was published some time ago, but just as tricks from Expert at the Card Table can still be killers, so obviously can any one of the thousands of tricks to be found in this series. I think one thing it works really well as, is as a collection or giant encyclopedia of all kinds of tricks.
But then again, this is just my opinion.
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bigplumbz Regular user 127 Posts |
As regards to your question out of date or still a legend? He is still a legend and grows more and more each time you see/read about him. Wonderful.
Get his stuff. You will not be disappointed. |
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Euan Inner circle 1041 Posts |
My advice (as per usual) would be to get The Complete Walton volume one and two.. They're only about 18 pounds and every item is highly original. Check 'em out
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negrette Regular user Washington, DC 178 Posts |
There are quite literally thousands of tricks in the entire set of volumes. Each volume has something like 500 card and 200 coin tricks. So in answer to your question, yes, sometimes. For some of the tricks, he gives his presentation ideas, patter ideas, best handling, etc. In some tricks, he doesn't. Remember, these aren't all Lorayne's tricks. This is simply a compendium of his magazine, Apocalypse. Most of the tricks throughout these volumes are not his; he just published them in his magazine.
Some tricks are described very well, some not as well. These are by no means filled with hundreds of basic effects. There is a massive variation, truly. Some tricks are probably just different handlings of basic effects. Some of the tricks are phenomenal. For example, I noticed that Darwin Ortiz's Modern Jazz Aces is in Volume 1. This, from what I've read on the board, is a very popular version of the classic Ace Assembly. So while yes, there are basic tricks with improved or different variations of handling, no, they are not all basic. There are no pictures as in photographs, but there are pictures as in the drawings that you commonly find in magic books. They are excellent drawings and do the tricks perfect justice. And yes, there are many, many drawings. This magazine, if I'm not mistaken, was produced by Harry Lorayne and Richard Kaufman, both great magicians. They certainly did a fine job producing this magazine and anywhere a drawing is necessary I'm sure they've included one. Also, just another note that might help you. The firt volume of Apocalypse contains all of the issues between 1978 and 1982. Over 250 card tricks, 140 coin effects (my previous numbers were off, sorry), and over 145 other tricks. These include mental tricks, dollar tricks, rope tricks, ring tricks, business card tricks, dice tricks, cups and balls, knives, cigarettes, and tons of others. Not to mention all kinds of discussions on any other topics, such as presentation, patter and so on. As I've said, the first volume is a compendium of over 535 great tricks contributed by dozens of the most famous magicians, compiled by Lorayne and published over the years. We're talking tricks from Vernon, Ortiz, Derek Dingle, Kaufman, Karrell Fox, Krenzel, Paul Harris, Lorayne, Brother Hamman, Herb Zarrow, David Roth, Goldstein, Ammar, and literally dozens of others. Honestly, I would just go ahead and buy this. There are so many tricks in here, all of which are good, that it is an invaluable resource. And like I said, if it turns out somehow you aren't please, you could easily sell it on Ebay and perhaps even make a profit. Again, just my opinion.
Mallusionist definition of the Simple force: The cards are fanned and if the spectator tries to take the wrong card, the magician holds onto the deck really, really tight.
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alexhui Inner circle Hong Kong 1956 Posts |
I have volume 3 and found that some of the tricks worth the price of the book. I am going to obtain all of the volumes in the future because the material inside is really brilliant.
Alex
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Dave Egleston Special user Ceres, Ca 632 Posts |
Is Harry Lorayne still a legend? How do you stop being a legend once you become a legend?
David: Put it this way...If you bought these books you would never have to buy any other book. These will keep even the most experienced magician busy for the rest of their magical career. Most people have bought these books for reference rather than reading material. There is some "hardcore" magic in these magazines, but mostly geared for the intermediate level magician. I think if you're interested in mainly closeup magic you'd be better served buying Giobbi's CARD COLLEGE and maybe getting a subscription to GENII and MAGIC Magazine. There are a lot of "Full color" pictures in both of them. Dave |
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vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10957 Posts |
All I have to say about Harry Lorayne is that so many of us learned from him. Frank Garcia might have been the man with the million dollar hands, but Harry is the man with a million tricks and sleights.
In answer to your question, he is a legend to me. vinny |
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alexhui Inner circle Hong Kong 1956 Posts |
Yavid2001,
Just buy the books and you will have a busy time. It is one of the best series of books that I am proud of owning. Don't hesitate and buy it now. You will make the best choice of your life. Alex
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Scott F. Guinn Inner circle "Great Scott!" aka "Palms of Putty" & "Poof Daddy G" 6586 Posts |
These books are AWESOME, with some of the greatest effects ever making their first appearance here. Plenty of illustrations, very clear teaching, and OUTSTANDING material.
Harry is still one of the best writers/teachers in magic, and Apocalypse is still one of the top 3-4 magic magazines of all time.
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mel New user 54 Posts |
Yup, he's a definite legend of magic writers. And if the Apocalypse series by Harry Lorayne is excellent, it has so many ideas, it'll take you years to perform them.
Harry has written so many good books, like Magic Book, Close-up Card Magic (which is one of the best for me so far), etc. He's up there with the rest! Rgs, Mel |
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Scott Cram Inner circle 2678 Posts |
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How do you stop being a legend once you become a legend? For an answer to this question, we turn to O. J. Simpson.... |
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Vilago Loyal user 230 Posts |
O.K., here's a question...I've heard that the quality of the magic in Vol. 1 is superior to the other volumes. Is this true, in your opinion? I have Vol 1 and wouldn't sell it...
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phonic69 Special user 560 Posts |
The Apoclypse series is, for many people, a big investment - in the UK it costs about £200 for the series and not many people have that sort of money to throw around.
Yavid, keep asking questions until you are certain what you want to do with your money! By the way, I have only ever heard good things about the series! |
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joseph Eternal Order Please ignore my 17407 Posts |
Harry Lorayne is a great teacher and performer. He also has, I think, a photographic memory, being able to memorize all those routines and tricks. (I bought his Memory Book, but I forgot where I put it.) I also don't think a trick can be outdated. (Improved, yes) Just watch Johnny Thompson's 4 video set. He performs almost all the old Stars of Magic book items, and does them superbly, and he will fool you.
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler." (Einstein)...
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Rennie Inner circle I think I have about 1826 Posts |
I will offer my 2 cents on Harry Lorayne, his teaching in his books are the best and his afterthoughts are great. The 4 volume set of Apocalypse are super and will keep you busy for a lifetime. I have attended many lectures and the best one I ever attended was Harry Loraynes in San Francisco, he can go on and keep you interested for hours. In a word, yes he is a Legend....
The effect is the important thing, how you achieve it is not.......
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ixnay66 Inner circle Denver 1525 Posts |
Richard's Almanac is an incredible book as well. In fact I like it better then Apocalypse.
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Harry Murphy Inner circle Maryland 5444 Posts |
Yavid,
You will find a ton (maybe two tons) of suitable material in the bound Apocalypse series. The added bonus is that there will be plenty of stuff for you to study when you get into other types of magic. However, given the type of magic performance you are into (table hopping, strolling magic, etc.) I think that Jim Sisti’s bound versions of “THE MAGIC MENU” will speak more to your present needs and wants. Either the Apocalypse or the Magic Menu series will more than meet your needs. Both are great reference sets to have. How’s that for muddying the waters?
The artist formally known as Mumblepeas!
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Larry Barnowsky Inner circle Cooperstown, NY where bats are made from 4770 Posts |
Harry Lorayne writes great books and is a great teacher. Moreover, when he performs he absolutely captures the audiences attention with a high energy personality. Close Up Card Magic is a must read. Find 4 effects in there and master them and you will have enough card magic to entertain your audience.
Johnny Thomson's commercial classics video is a treasure trove of great material. I would also highly recommend another HL book: Star Quality, The Magic of David Regal. The first trick in the book Cheating, I use all the time. |
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RandyWakeman V.I.P. Plainfield, ILLINOIS 1617 Posts |
Simple- Harry Lorayne's books are a must if you are interested in card and close-up magic.
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