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cardsharpist New user 55 Posts |
Is the card stock any different than standard bikes?
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phase27 Loyal user Tx 228 Posts |
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On 2006-08-20 02:05, cardsharpist wrote: These cards are thicker than regular bikes and have a smoother feel to them. I picked up 6 decks this week and love them. Like a lot of people I talked to they loved how the ghost deck felt but didn't like using it because they werent regular bikes. This is the answer to that problem. I cant imagine using any other deck from now on. I would highly recommend that everyone at least trys out one deck.
"Life is only as good as the memories we make..." -K.Roe
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Magiguy Inner circle Seattle, WA 5467 Posts |
For what it's worth, I purchased a 12-pack and took Ellusionist up on the 1/2 price three pack deal they were offering (mentioned in my post above) and all told, including the shipping, it broke down to $3.99 per deck. They are advertised as "professional casino grade stock," which leads me to believe that they are trying to fill the void left open by the disappearance of Jerry's Nuggets (which I love the feel of, but think they're pretty darn ugly). The worst complaint I've heard about the Masters is that some people (mostly purists)don't appreciate the re-designed ace of spades. Personally, that's not an issue for me, but something for you to keep in mind when considering your purchase.
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Memory-Jah Inner circle Germany 1438 Posts |
Anyone tested gaffed card or tricks which involving other cards like the chicago opner und so on? how is it about having two different thick card types to work with?
is the masters the same stock as the nuggets, ghost and blacks?
"Dropping your pants while you set off flash paper may allow your pass to go undetected, but it's still not invisible." - Count Elmsley
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molsen Special user Copenhagen 552 Posts |
Memory-Jah,
Mercury52 mentions that a regular bicycle stock card blends in well apart from being sleightly visible on the side of the pack. I think the same goes for all stranger cards added to a deck. Perhaps you would feel a difference, we all have different hands. As for the stock I read on the Ellusionist site that the stock and finish is identical to the Ghost and Black decks. I don't know is that is the same as nuggets or just similar. They have a more crisp feel than std. bike stock, and as mercury52 mentions, they don't feel "too slick" out of the box. I've used Ghosts in a Chicago Opener routine and really liked it. With brand new cards there is a sleight feeling of a natural break, but in many routines that is not an issue. Broken in I don't feel a difference. Don't know if this helps... Michael |
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
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I've used Ghosts in a Chicago Opener routine and really liked it. Out of interest, what type of card do you use as your odd backed card when you use Ghosts for The Chicago Opener? |
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Magic.J.Manuel Special user I have danced upon 663 Posts |
The Chicago Ghost:
Spectator "chooses" the Ace of Clubs, shuffle It is lost in pack and then magically a ghost brings it to "top" card. It is placed on table a la the C-opener. Shuffle The deck is cut to choose the magi's card. Since the cards have a sensitivity to the Karma of the magi an appropriate card is found, the Joker. Then when my card is waved over the tabled card they change places, and the joker on the table has the Ace of Clubs underfoot. Nice.
Nothing would get done at all, if man waited so long that no one could find fault with it.
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Mobius303 Inner circle Lakewood, Ohio 1309 Posts |
There is not that big a difference between the older Bikes and the new Masters.
The masters including the joker will fit into an ordinary bike box and then into a regular card guard with no problem at all. The guys who say they are thicker are right they are better card stock but the card stock used in the masters is what they used about 15years ago or more and as such I am used to handleing them already. I compared them to several older decks that I had never opened. Aristocrats....same Old Bike...Same New Bikes...are thinner Tally-Ho ....older is the same as the masters and new is a sleight bit thicker Old Fan Backs...same Old Caesars...Masters are thicker finish is different Old bee....Same New Bee...close but the masters are thicker I wouldn't worry about a lot of the stuff like the ace...it can be switched out. The gaff deck has the thicker ace in it...i couldn't tell from the side or feel in a brand new never used masters deck. The masters last longer than the newer bikes. I normally can wear out a deck in a matter of hours but this deck is still good after 6hours of intense practice. Do you need a masters deck---no Can they be used and hold up---yes They are very good cards and they are what should be manufactured as standard cards as they used to. Oh and with the same amount of practice ...the other ellusionist cards have worn out..including Original Black Tiger....Red tiger, Vipers and Ghost decks. Infact the Ghost and Viper are prone to geting beat up bad when farro shuffled repeatedly. The edged on the viper not only get dings but the silver comes off in flakes. That is my full review for your consumption. The gaff deck has some awesome art work and is of superior quality to most other gaff cards out there and the red back match perfectly to any other deck. The USPC gaffs usually vary the red enough for me to tell there is a gaf there. Later, Mobius |
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tedski Special user New Jersey 792 Posts |
Anyone split any of these cards yet and make your own gaffs to avoid any thickness discrepancy?
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Mobius303 Inner circle Lakewood, Ohio 1309 Posts |
Just split a few and they split like a dream.
Mobius |
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molsen Special user Copenhagen 552 Posts |
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On 2006-08-20 14:55, silverking wrote: I use any low valued clubs or spades card. I find that using hearts or diamonds, or the court cards will be a bit confusing as the face of the card appears to change as well. I take it that's why you asked? The values 2 to 9 also seem more random to the specs. IMHO, so they don't consider a forced card as easily. I stole a patter idea from John Bannon (I don't remember which effect) where he explains he was doing magic while it was snowing. His cards turned blank, mine just get a different back (spectator had the selected card out in the snow etc.) Michael |
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molsen Special user Copenhagen 552 Posts |
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On 2006-08-20 17:16, Magic.J.Manuel wrote: Do you use the joker with the ace from the start, or do you switch it? I don't think any specs. will notice the ace under the foot until it is pointed out, but since you have performance experience with it, I'd like to hear your thoughts. Michael |
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
Hi Michael,
No, I was actually wondering which back design you used for your odd backed card. If you're using Ghosts as the "main" deck, which deck to you use for the changed back design. I'm wondering if you had a better reaction with one over another. Cheers. |
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toomuchmagic Special user 534 Posts |
I really can't get over people talking about how cards "handle." They are not cars or machines. They are cardboard. Paper. My regular cards last for ages so long as I don't throw them in a puddle or wipe my *** with them.
I hate to be crass, but man....magicians can get hooked into buying ANYTHING. What exactly are you guys talking about. |
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Magic.J.Manuel Special user I have danced upon 663 Posts |
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On 2006-08-21 07:04, molsen wrote: When I do it with the Ghost jokers you do not get the color change kicker so the ace in the joker is a minor anti-climax. After the spectator helps me pick a card, joker, I ask them to note that the joker is "riding a ghost horse, and you can see the stirrups on his feet". This brings attention to the fact that there is nothing there yet without actually saying it. and gives me a moment to prepare for the next phase. Then after the tabled card is revealed I ask if they see what he is now standing upon. You're card? Yes, here it is. show card in hand. BTW with the COpener handeling you need both. 'Nuff said in the open thread.
Nothing would get done at all, if man waited so long that no one could find fault with it.
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molsen Special user Copenhagen 552 Posts |
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On 2006-08-21 12:12, silverking wrote: Ahh... I use a red backed deck with a ghost stranger in it. I haven't tried the opposite yet because I want to have a presentational argument for the "weird" looking deck (more the faces than the backs actually). Once I put my mind to it, I can probably come up with something. I'll let you all know if I find something that really works well, so we can get that "molsen clone army" started. Michael |
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molsen Special user Copenhagen 552 Posts |
Magic.J.Manuel,
Thanks a lot for the reply! You provided a lot more details than I expected. Michael |
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clamon86 Special user 508 Posts |
Just a another useless hype over a deck of cards. Its not the next big thing since sliced bread. Its just another deck of cards.
You're pay an extra buck so that the cards will last longer, which if you take care of bikes should be fine. its a waste |
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Magic.J.Manuel Special user I have danced upon 663 Posts |
Michael, you're welcome.
Clamon86, as far as the masters deck I somewhat agree. I use Tally-Hos when I want a stiffer card, so maybe they compete with them. Normally I do card warp and signed card stuff which destroys cards so the cheaper the better within reason. The Ace of Spades is OK, but how many different AoS's do I need? I got six different AoS in the Red Gaff deck, there must be a routine in there somewhere. magic.j.manuel
Nothing would get done at all, if man waited so long that no one could find fault with it.
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Magicnevets New user Sydney, Australia 56 Posts |
You can never get enough AoS in my book. I'm collecting them at the moment so I can frame them for my office wall. I'd like to get 48 different ones if possible, I've only got about 20 so far.
I don't perform illusions... it just looks like I do!
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