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Carl Rheuban
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I have been doing thread work for 10 years and have all the existing books and tapes on thread work. I guess I have to get this series.



I was wondering if anyone has this yet? Is the series as complete as the table of contents appears?



This appears to be the definitve video yet on thread work.



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I'm curious too, I'm thinking about picking up the series for myself, it sounds excellent! Smile Smile
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Carl,

As someone who has seen them all, what would you suggest as the best of the bunch, if I were only going to purchase one? (At least for now...)

Thanks
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Kris - There is a large variety of different kinds of thread work and hookups. I personally have been very happy with the LaClaire Hookup which is described in both book and video form by John LaClaire.

There are also books and tapes that discuss the use of thread reels.

However, The new Ammar videos (and C.D.'s) appear to be comprehensive in covering a large variety of hookups with and without reels. Based upon his previous works, if you have not done thread work in the past, I would guess this series is going to be the series.

I am hoping that someone will post some response to my initial question soon, but I would expect nothing but high reviews.

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Thanks for the info.

I have done a little about 10 years ago with "the Animator". I recently purchased a reel, but have not used it yet.

I've heard that there is a pretty good ITR book that is very cheap that I am planning on checking out.

Thanks again
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I don't think the video has been released yet. Lots of dealers offering pre-publication specials. I heard it would be released 2nd week of February
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I have used the LeClair Animator, having learnt it from the book and video. They are both comprehensive in their content and I highly recommend them but have never used any other systems (ITR etc.) so cannot really comment any further.
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I haven't used 'IT' for about a year now, but recently saw an advert for the "The Electronic Slow-Rewinding Invisible-Thread Reel" ESR1/2 and was quite impressed but it's certainly not cheap.

Has anyone used this reel? or know of any other "slow reels"?

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Recently read a great review on alt.magic by Mitchell Leary. I can't re-post it here but if you do a search of the newsgroups at google.com you should find it. (hint, "Mitchell Leary" and "thread" then select groups.)

Thread work is hard stuff for me, though done right it can look great!!!
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Some more of you by now must have seen Ammar's videos.

Does anyone have any comments for us?

Thank you.

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I just bought all three CDs and looked at the first one, Basics on threads, where to get them in Wal-Mart/K-Mart, different ways and how others have used the elastic threads. How lighting effects thread magic. all dealing with the invisible threads.

I also have LeClair's video and book.
There is no comparison. LeClair does not go anywhere near the in-depth that Ammar does. The Ammar video/CD is typical of all of his work. If you are familar with other tapes and CD's by Ammar, then you know his style. Lots of tips, lots of tricks, plenty to learn, easy to understand, philosophy of magic and presentation. Uses of threads to sell yourself through your business cards alone is worth the price of the first video.

I have not watched the 2nd or 3rd CD yet.
I was drained trying to absorb all that was said on the 1st CD. Each time I thought it was ended, he had more. If you are into thread stuff, you really can't ignore these tapes, done in Ammar style of teaching. He gives credit to tons of people. He has gotten release from many magicians to present their ways of using threads.

Now all this is from the 1st CD. I can't wait to view the others. By the way, these are not one shot viewing CDs. They require viewing several times just to comprehend what he has to say.

I especially liked the way Ammar dealt with threads and lighting.

Ammars second and third CDs/Tapes deal with the reels and ITRs and repairs, and much more. (From box cover)

Summary: if you like Ammar's style of video teaching, and you are thinking or doing thread magic, these are must have CDs or Videos!

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Dennis - That was the feed back I was looking for. I am ordering the CD's today.

Thank you.

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I just got through half of the second Ammar CD, which deals with the I.T.R.

Again, just watching how to use the chop cup and the I.T.R makes one want to run out and buy the I.T.R.

I was flabergasted when I watched Dave Nelson's Dollar bill flight, then the explaination was great. He tells you how to practice it.

Also demonstrated in this section was Robert Henry's Ashra Coin. Now we all know the Ashra Floating lady works, well the coin effect was the same but a smaller version, however, it had the same impact as the grand illusion. Float a coin, place a coin on a square cloth patch, cover it with a silk and watch it float then wisssh away the silk and the coin has disappeared.

The above was only section one. It was so great I watched it again. There are six other sections and a section on tips and theory. If the rest of the video is as good as the first section, then this video is a buy!

Reading the back of the CD box cover, there seems to be lots more like this.
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Dennis - I have already received my email return from Richard Hatch that he is sending me the series. I should have it in a couple of days.

Thank you again for the feedback.

Carl.
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Not to be a nitpicker, but don't you guys mean "DVD's" as opposed to "CD's?" There is a difference.
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Scott,

Not you guys, you mean me. Your right! In defense, I've worked with CDs so long a CD is a CD. It is that shiny silver round thing that is flat and works in gagets that play them.

You can edit all my posts and place DVD in place of CDs.

The bottom line related to the topic:

  • If you are going to do threads.
  • If your doing threads.
  • If you want a comprehensive source on threads.
  • If you like Ammar Style.


These Ammar DVDs are a good buy 5 star quality.
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So you're saying that if you want a good DVD resource for thread work, you should definitely "CDs!"

;)
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Very cheezy Scott... but seriously, if you do buy them be sure to use a reputable dealer as with all the pirating these days you don't want to buy them from anyone "CD"!

...ooooh.. that was even worse!

Anyhow, I just ordered a set of the vids from flourish dude at
bilandr@aol.com
for $75 for all three - great deal and can't wait to get them. I'm still a video guy for now (I usually watch them in my basement where we only have a VCR) but I am sure flourish dude could get anyone a set of the DVD's for an equally great price.

Will let others know what I think when they arrive.

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Thanks for the detailed posting on the Ammar series.

I was just wondering if anyone, besides me, are struck by the title of this series as well as Ammar's card and coin series as "Easy to Master?" IMHO - mastery is never easy Smile
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You will see several of my posts throughout the Cafe where I mention that I HATE that title!
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Scott,

I am happy to see that I am not alone in this corner. As I heard Max Maven say in a workshop 2 years ago - if we treat magic like it is trivial, then our audiences will see it as trivial. Selling the illuson that magic is easy to master is trivialization...
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Thank you for the info on the Ammar Series. I have just ordered it and am waiting for it to arrive..
Grew up near one of the greatest minds in magic the late Stewart James, in a town called Wallaceburg just 15 mins from Courtright where James could be found, time and time again he would inspire me to always be creative and just love all magic.
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I received Ammar's DVD's this weekend and have now viewed the entire series. There is no question that this is the most complete survey of thread material to date. I wish this was available when I first started thread work.

Carl.
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I have been doing magic since 1973 but never did thread. I thought I'd ease into it by ordering the first DVD in Ammar's series. Hank Lee's accidentally sent me the whole series (and, of course charged me). I immediately called and they told me I could return the other two. Now they won't be able to wrench them out of my hands! Those sneaky elves at Hank Lee's! They knew after seeing the first one I'd want all three (they're mentalists, you know).
Anyway, I went from neophyte to where I feel I have a college degree in thread magic—at least in terms of knowledge. I have many criticisms of the series, but most of them are petty. It was really well done. I'm a bit frustrated in my early attempts, but very pleased in other respects. Without this series, I would have given up already.

You really learn a lot of usable material. Some is impractical, but most of it is good stuff. I'm no longer intimidated by thread magic, and would like to learn more.

One aside. I haven't used any of the ITRs. James George (the inventor of the ITR) plays prominent on the tape. It is for this reason, I suspect, that John Kennedy's Stealth Retractor was treated in a separate section (with a few cool tricks). I ran right out and got a Stealth Retractor and am wondering why I would need to buy an ITR? That is not made clear on the tape. The Retractor is motorized, not just spring loaded. It works great, but requires some patience if you need to rethread it. But it seems to me it does all the other thread reel stuff (not traditional reel stuff, however—no surpentine silks with this prop). But out of deference to James George, I think, Ammar didn't say if you get the Retractor, you can do the retractor stuff, AND some ITR stuff too. Again, it was treated separately.

Any of you have both a Retractor and an ITR reel? Am I way off base here? I was thinking of getting the Kevlar Pen Reel on Hank Lee's site, but with the Retractor, I'm not sure I have a need for it.

Finally, although the series is a bit of an ad for ITRs, there are many tricks you can do with cheap invisible thread available at most dealers. Another bargain is LOOPS for $10.
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I have all 3 video's, if you can only afford 1 of them get Vol 2. as there are more tricks on it, than the others, but all 3 are really good, and if you can afford them I highly recommend them.

The stealth retractor is a major disappointment. You can only use a heavy Kevlar thread which is quite visible cause if you use regular IT when the ball reaches the hole, or if it get's snagged on anything, it breaks. And there is an issue with the fact that the retractor spools the thread kinda slow. My local magic shop owner tried very hard to talk me out of buying it but I didn't listen and it cost me $60.00 dollars, for something I will probably never use.

To davekilpatrick:

As far as the stealth retractor replacing the ITR I don't think it would be convenient the stealth is a hand-held aparatus and the ITR can be attached on the body and allows you to show your hands completely empty and you can wear it all day long if you like. Plus a lot of tricks that I know of require the constant tension and reel of the ITR and the basic thread is a pain if you need to use long lenghts as you have to have a method of storing it so it does not get tangled up. I have found the ITR an absolute neccesity for thread work. The thread boss is the best brand I would recommend.
I wouldn't go with the Kevlar attachment as it is a lot more expensive and it has a tighter spooling aparatus (people who have a ITR will know what I mean) which means you can't extend as much thread as a regular thread boss.
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Vovin
Thanks for the post. I can now see the differences between the Retractor and ITR: empty hands and constant tension (although drop the Retractor in your front breast pocket and anchor elsewhere and your hands ARE free). Anyway, it is fair to say Ammar was NOT pandering to James George as I speculated! Sorry guys!

I love the slow graceful movement of the Retractor in raising a business card or playing card to your hand, or turning a page. It now (also) comes with super fine thread if you don't want to use Kevlar.

I think I'll be getting an ITR. Thanks for the clarification. I said watching the videos made me feel like I got a college degree in thread magic. However, I never said I was an A student.

Question for those using the LeClair Animator. Ammar has a section on his DVD series called "the LeClair Hookup." Can anyone tell me if the LeClair hookup is the same as the LeClair animator? Also, because I own the Ammar DVD series, is the LeClair video "Who's Afraid of Invisible Thead" still worth getting?

Finally, there were very few effects on the Ammar DVD that used ITR compared to other thread hookups (despite much time talking ABOUT the ITR). Also, the ITR tricks seemed a bit more awkward than the other hook ups (but still really cool stuff). Does any one know of a source of information with other ITR ideas to supplement those on the DVDs?
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I bought the DVD'S when they first came out.
I like them. My only comment though, is, I was waiting to find out 2 things from the set ....JUST 2 BITS OF INFORMATION. Didn't get it.

One, how to tie the loops.
He explains that he can not disclose that information. I can guess at how it's done, and I've been doing it my way for awhile, but your always thinking, .."Maybe there is a better way"

In the meantime I'm still using my way. The second thing was.. ahhh, I just forgot now. Oh well I guess it wasn't important after all. That's what happens when you answer a phone call in the middle of writing.

One thing I notice on my DVD'S ...and I'm wondering if anyone else noticed. The audio seems to be slightly off sync with the video.
It's a little anoying but the information comes through just the same. I like the set.
Mr. Ammar did a great job, as usual.

E-Leoni.

Another thing I did after watching the DVD set, was to go back and take a look at some of Finn's work on thread. It brought back a lot of memories. I don't particulary like the floating stuff Finn did, but the moving effects are great. It was a nice comparison to Finn's work. Ammar mentions Finn a few times on the set. How can you not, I guess.

E-Leoni.
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Davekilpatrick

The LeClair Hookup and animator are the same. If you are serious about studying thread work, after the Ammar tapes, I would highly recommend both LeClair's tape and book. He has a method for a haunted deck with a borrowed deck in the hands of the spectator that is very powerful.

I find with thread work that there are positives and negatives to each of the various hookups and gimmicks. I feel the LeClair hookup is very comfortable and gives me the feedback I need to always know where the thread is.

Carl.
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I use the UFC (Ultimate Float Controller)
to do some nice floating effects.
You can find this UFC here:
http://www.magiceffex.com/
I mostly do a standard floating like the floating rose effect.

After reading this topic I think I may order Ammars Thread Miracles.
Then I may find some new uses for my UFC.
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I have them all.Their great .Get them.
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