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Seth
Special user
566 Posts
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Posted: Dec 31, 2002 1:00pm
There is the continuing debate on whether the double lift should be as natural as your normal one card lift, or so flashy that no one would believe that it's a double. I'm more interested in the latter and was curious as to which method you guys think is the most natural. btw...Happy New Year!!!
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Paul Sherman
Inner circle
Washington, DC
1511 Posts
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Posted: Dec 31, 2002 1:09pm
Flashiest to my mind would have to be Asher's acrobatic diving board double.
Most natural, IMHO, is just about any normal looking turnover that starts with a break beneath two cards. An excellent one is Klause's Soft double (which is in In Concert). Another good choice is to do a Vernon two-card pushoff, followed by a Stuart Gordon turnover (which I believe is in At the Card Table by Ortiz).
If you have to do a no-getready lift, Martin Nash's knockout double is nice.
Paul
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Steve Friedberg
Inner circle
1263 Posts
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Posted: Dec 31, 2002 1:33pm
Hi Seth:
Why should the DL be the focal point of what you do? Shouldn't it be means to an end? And if you accept that premise, why should you do anything to call attention to it?
As I've said on this board before, I'm a firm believer that DL's should appear as natural as a single turnover. Accordingly, I've worked to make my single, look like my double; it's easier and it makes my handling consistent.
I may be taking a contrarian position, I realize, but I regard flourishes performed for the sake of flourishes alone, as a different art than magic; magic, as others have said here, is the art of producing wonderment and astonishment. Flourishes, by themselves, are the technical craft of production.
(Okay, flourishers...flame away!) 
Cheers,
Steve
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HuronLow
Special user
689 Posts
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Posted: Dec 31, 2002 1:43pm
How bout Doc Daley's Strike double lift?
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Mind Bullets
Loyal user
200 yards away
256 Posts
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Posted: Dec 31, 2002 2:48pm
Every time I do a DL, I make sure that I say to the spectator: "Now don't go thinking there's more than one card here, cuz there isn't," or I say, "I will now take this SINGLE card -- no, there are not TWO cards here, just ONE, in case you were wondering," then I proceed with trick.
The power of suggestion is amazing.
Jim
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Larry Davidson
Inner circle
Potomac, MD
5163 Posts
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Posted: Dec 31, 2002 4:14pm
Jim, I like that subtle approach. I usually turn three cards over in alignment, and then say "no, it's not two cards, it's a triple lift, you dullards" after which I spread the three cards. I've found that this works best in a noisy bar with the lights off so that the laymen can neither hear nor see me.
P.S. - stevepr104, I agree with your flourish statement 100%, but we're yelling into the wind.
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charliemagic
Elite user
441 Posts
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Posted: Dec 31, 2002 7:20pm
hUrOn Low~,
The strike double lift gets my vote too!
Once you get the knack it seems the most natural.
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NoahJLevine
Regular user
142 Posts
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Posted: Dec 31, 2002 7:45pm
I think that naturalness depends on the performer, Also I suggest that those who own the book Shattering Illusios look at the Essay "Unatural acts". I like to use a push off double lift because that feels natural for me.
Noah Levine
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MagicT
Special user
New Orleans
778 Posts
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Posted: Dec 31, 2002 7:58pm
The most natural DL is probably Paul Curry's. If you ask a layman to hold the deck and to look at the top card, they will use the same action that Paul uses in his DL.
Trini
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stevehw
Veteran user
Collinsville, Mississippi
303 Posts
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Posted: Jan 1, 2003 12:08am
Daryl seems to feel the Jennings snap double is most natural for him, and maybe some others do also. But to me, I just don't feel comfortable with it.
I guess it is an individual thing.
For me, if I ever get it mastered, I believe the Knockout Double will suit me fine. But right now I feel most natural with a book turnover from a break, or the strike double.
Steve
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Seth
Special user
566 Posts
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Posted: Jan 1, 2003 1:40am
Whoops must be some new year hysteria...I meant former as opposed to latter. Sorry bout the mixed signals.
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wikiro
Elite user
NY
435 Posts
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Posted: Jan 1, 2003 2:14am
I do not know who created this but all I do is feel for 2 cards on the side of the deck and flip them over as one and when I flip them back over I just let them fall off my finger tips so it looks totally natural and no one is the wiser.
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stevehw
Veteran user
Collinsville, Mississippi
303 Posts
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Posted: Jan 1, 2003 3:33am
I believe you are refering to the Strike Double.
I think the credits are given in another thread. I may be mistaken, but I think Daley was the one who started just feeling for two cards instead of peeling up each card one by one.
Steve
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MagicT
Special user
New Orleans
778 Posts
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Posted: Jan 1, 2003 4:26am
Its not a Strike Double, its a Hit Double. When the word "Strike" is mentioned, it is usually referred to the "Strike Second Deal."
Best,
Trini
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Chad Sanborn
Inner circle
my fingers hurt from typing,
1850 Posts
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Posted: Jan 1, 2003 4:28am
If I have said it once, I have said it...once. The 'spooky Altman trap' is one of the most natural double lifts you will ever see!. It appears as if the top card slides off the deck and is turned over. You can find this explained on one of Alan Ackermans 'advanced card control' tapes.
Chad
Modern Magic...Classic Style
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MagicT
Special user
New Orleans
778 Posts
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Posted: Jan 1, 2003 4:54am
Chad,
The Curry Double Lift is still more natural. But if you really look at things, laymen aren't really paying attention to how the card(s) are turned over. Just the fact that something magical has happened is what they are interested in. As long as you are consistent with your double lifts, then you should have no problem. I say this because not everyone likes the Curry DL, not everyone likes the Spooky Altman Trap, etc.. Many do the Vernon DL, and it is not natural, but it flies, and flies well. Again, consistency is key.
Best,
Trini
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Sean Macfarlane
Special user
701 Posts
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Posted: Jan 1, 2003 6:59am
Have any of you seen Howie Schwartzman do the "impeccable double"? I hear that it's quite beautiful in his hands.
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joseph
Eternal Order
Please ignore my
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Posted: Jan 1, 2003 8:29am
If you still like flashy dl's, take a look at Raphael Benetar's second video. He describes several awesome variations, and all require a Knack to perfect. 
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler." (Einstein)...
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HuronLow
Special user
689 Posts
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Posted: Jan 1, 2003 9:23am
I've followed the thread a bit. And I feel that what was mentioned about the power of suggestion can help sometimes, but not always. I had advice from a magician before, not to empahsize too much to people, that my hands were empty, while using a TT, and keep flashing them empty. Why? Because they can see that it's empty! If you can do a double lift that is good and consistent, why GIVE the specs the idea that there are two cards in the first place. From there, he just might start suspecting it, and when you get caught, it's over. That's just a little suggestion, but I'll try out 'this is one card and not two'. thanks
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João Miranda
Loyal user
Portugal
269 Posts
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Posted: Jan 1, 2003 9:43am
Normally, to fool magicians I give the illusion that I make a double lift but I really turn one card. I have fooled a lot of magicians with such sleight.
Try and see if this works well for you.
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Risto L.
Regular user
Finland
174 Posts
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Posted: Jan 1, 2003 10:55am
Quote:
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On 2003-01-01 09:23, hUrOn Low~ wrote:
I'll try out 'this is one card and not two'. thanks
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Please don`t. I think Jim`s post was meant to be a joke. I certainly hope so.
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Mind Bullets
Loyal user
200 yards away
256 Posts
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Posted: Jan 1, 2003 11:10am
Risto is absolutely correct. It was a joke.
Jim
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jw_2101
New user
Singapore
76 Posts
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Posted: Jan 2, 2003 8:36am
yup make the dbl look like a single... thats the way i do them both the same...
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Spydur
Special user
PDX, now San Diego...back to PDX
966 Posts
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Posted: Jan 2, 2003 12:40pm
I think the best double out there is the one that YOU do best. So go and spend your time learning all there is on doubles and decide for yourself.
I personally like to do Asher's D.D. This is strictly for my own amusement. (For all the wrong reasons, I know)
Corey B.
Portland Magician Seattle Magician
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