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DaiBato Veteran user 310 Posts |
Joe Porper's Card Trimming and Corner Rounding Machine costs $3500!
Has anyone bought this? Is it worth the price? Dai Bato |
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ToasterofDoom Special user 671 Posts |
Some say yes, some say no. I say no. There are cheaper alternatives. (Nail clippers?)
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
You can make perfect belly strippers with a nail clipper? You have no idea what it takes. Joe has had NO complaints or returns. Believe me, for what it takes to make something this precise takes a lot of engineering, R&D, trial and error and even after all that, the cost of the high-tech materials and machine work make this a BARGAIN. Ask pro's like Michael Weber and R. Paul Wilson who bought the first ones, and dealers like Joe Stevens that have ordered and re-ordered.
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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ToasterofDoom Special user 671 Posts |
I'm sticking with my comment (although I meant that nail clippers can be used as corner rounders, which has been stated before, not for making strippers). I saw a few hundred dollar version somewhere which was made out of plastic, but received good reviews. For the majority, I think it's more financially feasible to just buy the decks when needed. Belly strippers are what... 25 dollars?
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DaiBato Veteran user 310 Posts |
Surely there must be lower priced machines of this nature that get the job done without breaking the (my) bank.
Dai Bato |
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DonDriver Inner circle 1790 Posts |
You get what you pay for.
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edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
PLEASE!, 3500 bucks for that. Come on Pete, please say it isn't so that you just praise JP's products without concern for the hobbists'. This isn't a minor investment. This is an investment that is for pro's and only pro's.(Unless you have 3g's to throw away)
You obviously have some sort of connection(for want of a better phrase) to JP. Every time Joe Porpers' products are mentioned you are the first to respond as to how great they are. Why don't you disclose as to your relationship with his products.
Magic is a vanishing art.
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DonDriver Inner circle 1790 Posts |
Quote edh: "This is an investment that is for pro's and only pro's."
I was under the assumption that's what we were talking about.Thats why I said 'You get what you pay for" 3500 bucks just to make a deck or so a year isn't a bit "pricey " its way out of line. Just my two cents. Don |
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
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On 2006-11-24 19:56, edh wrote: OH NO, the conspiracy theory is upon us. Dude, the fact that Pete and Joe are friends and develop effects together is no secret to anybody but you, Pete's only said as much in at least 200 previous posts here on the Café. Anyway, I own the Line-Lo cutter that cost $100.00, and although it's great for what it does, it's not even something you can mention as being in the same league as Joe's card cutter. Joe's card cutter at $3500.00 is a bargain........you go try to get cutting blades hardened and see how much it costs to have it done. |
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Gordon Special user Chicago 692 Posts |
Hi, Sliverking, since you have both, how about a little comparison for those of us who don't have either? Clearly the Porper one isn't in the same league (you could buy 35 Line-Lo cutters for the price of one Porper Cutter) but aside from the price, what's the difference we'd actually notice? Thanks.
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
I'm afraid I've misled you Gordon, I only own the Line-Lo, and only WISH I owned the Porper. What I know of the Porper is a result of email exchanges with Joe and Pete Biro, and some photos Pete was kind enough to send me showing details of Joe's cutter.
To be honest with you Gordon, the Line-Lo is definitely in the "medium" work category, whereas the Porper machine is capable of complete adjustment and would be able to enter into the "fine" to "ultra-fine" category of work. Depending on your intended use, this could be an important element. There is no adjustment on the Line-Lo whatsoever. Some of the pre-set "L" stops are rather pronounced, particularly the "Belly" template. The Line-Lo is based on a modified commercial scrapbook paper cutter. It's been CNC machined to accomodate the various (total 5) templates. It's not extremely robust in it's overall form, but does the job for personal use. The Porper pretty much speaks for itself, machined by Joe, and with hardened blades, it's pretty much as good as this type of cutter will ever get. Some here on the Café feel that it's actually overkill , and that nobody doing the "real work" would use this type of cutter in the first place. I'm not a hustler, but I believe that the statement that the "real work" typically put in by hustlers IS NOT actually done on this type of cutter to be true. "N-Strippers" seem to be the work of choice in hustling these days, and they don't get made on this kind of machine. The Porper is brilliantly thought out and as high a quality as will ever be put into a card cutter. I seriously doubt there's EVER been a card cutter that could cut this accurately or had this hard of a blade. It's really a piece of functional jewelry, and as much as I want one, I just wouldn't use it often enough to justify the cost. Those who develop card effects for a living or somewone who manufacturers effects which require cards to be cut by hand (belly in or out) have already bought theirs. I'll have to make do with my Line-Lo. It really doesn't matter, I believe Joe only has a few left, and he's already indicated that he doubted very strongly that he'd be making any more. That probably means there will only ever be 25 of them.........which makes me want one even more!! |
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Ok, here is the true scoop from the Horses Mouth.
Joe Porper is on of the fussiest, finest craftsman I have ever known. There are others like him, Owen Magic, George Robinson and Thomas Wayne. There are guys like Todd Lassen and Jamie Schoolcraft too that are awesome machanics. I'd be happy to work with any of the above and have been asked by more than one. But Porper is closest, and the easiest guy of the lot. I see him about once a week and we go over creative ideas together, brainstorming and arguing about what would sell and what would not. Joe has a large lineup of products that he has developed over the years, long before we got together. Since collaborating with Joe, a number of products, like the New Style Linking Finger Rings, the Just IN Case, the bulk of the poker chip line -- and others came from my ideas with his execution. On those products we are partners. I also do the layouts for his ads (my old way of making a living) and take photos and write up instructions for all effect, be them his or mine. He also collaborates with R. Paul Wilson and Dean Dill (and others) to create one of a kind custom items. Sure Joe's stuff costs a lot of money... but if you knew how much work went into these things and how many prototypes were thrown away you would realize why they cost what they do. Regarding the Card Cutting Machine. This is not for the casual guy, this is for someone that needs to make gaffed (trimmed) cards that are 100% right... the way they want them. They are also for those that will seldom use them but LOVE precision equipment. I used to collect gambling items and have seen old worn our cutters go for more than Joe's price... and they won't cut accurately. Sure I brag about our stuff because I think it is made the best it can be, and is thought out and worth every penny to the working pro that uses any of our props. Need any more from me?
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Probably cuz I don't like to use the same words twice... no difference to me. They are all skilled mechanics, craftsmen, prop makers, thinkers, doers!
As far as the skill to make a card trimmer, many have it, but few KNOW what to make... just cuz one can mill or cut to high tolerances doesn't mean they know the design and needs of a particular product. For example, Joe's card trimmer was developed with a number of card experts in the gambling field. He relied on his knowledge and the information garnered from others "in the know." Wait 'til you see the next few items he's working on. BTW, it took over a year of working and making prototypes to finalize the design on the cutter. Isn't that time and effort worth something?
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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DaiBato Veteran user 310 Posts |
I am not a manufacturer of gaffed playing cards. If I were, I would probably buy Mr. Porper's Card Trimming and Corner Rounding Machine in a heartbeat. I believe that $3500 makes this a professional device for those who make and sell gaffed decks for a living.
I just want to be able to make my own trick cards. So I want to know what else is available, preferably in the three-digit (as opposed to four-digit) price range. The Line-Lo has been discussed; are there any others? Dai Bato |
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
There are no others.
The Line-Lo is about a hundred bucks, and a Meith corner rounder will cost you about $80.00. Total $180.00. |
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Llasco makes a pro corner rounder. They often show up on ebay. I suggest getting a photo dry mount press to glue split cards together... keeps the SNAP in the cards vs. glue.
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
Todd Lassen (who is normally a coin guy) makes an extremely nice gaffing device to use the dry mount paper that Pete mentions above. The difference between his and a normal press is that he has machined his specifically for poker size playing cards.
You use a common household iron to heat it up making a perfectly "re-united" split card. It's on Todd's web site. |
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Sean Macfarlane Special user 880 Posts |
I have a friend who bought this andI have made a deck of strippers with it. First the trimmer is beautiful!! Just looking at it is an experience. Using it is another story, it makes perfect strippers,... well as perfect as I could make them. If I had the extra cash, I would get it because I see it as an investment. I can't see it going down in value at all.
People buy cars every day, worth way more than this trimmer and they lose money as soon as it leaves the lot. That's my two bits. Sean |
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Mano Inner circle 1028 Posts |
Well the corner rounder,you can get it at staple for about 8 bucks,i own four of those for my use and it trims the coner very very well I have to say; and 8 bucks,you can beat it.
Mano. |
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CardMaker Inner circle Ludwigsburg/GERMANY 1063 Posts |
If Joe's machine wasn't THAT expensive to get to Germany (shipping rates + enormous taxes!) - I'd buy one.
I have discussed such a machine with my local engineers (who made some special apparatus for me already), but at the end, a price of 3,500 is realistic! So trust in a specialists experience - and Joe is one!
CardMaker/Bernd Maucksch
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